According to a letter from the AG’s office in April 2018, state law offers strong protections against prosecutions by state officials for identical acts or offenses already pursued by another jurisdiction. If a defendant pleads guilty to federal crimes or proceeds to a federal jury trial, then state prosecution is barred based on the same acts or criminal transactions.
While there are exceptions to the statutory language in the event of nullification of criminal proceedings by the courts, there appears to be none on the books in the case of the President of the United States doing so.This has been a potentially problematic issue for these prosecutors who want to charge Paul Manafort with State crimes that have already been prosecuted at a Federal level. The N.Y. legislature even attempted to pass a new law that would eliminate the double jeopardy restrictions that currently exist.
Obviously, there would be no need to change the law specifically for Paul Manafort, if they didn't believe it would come into play.
“If this bill or something like it would be law, we would have clarity and these situations in the future would not arise,” Kaminsky said. “I have no doubt that whatever the Manhattan DA’s office is going to bring is going to face a serious double-jeopardy challenge.”Prosecutors do believe that there are some charges that they could bring against Manafort that are purely state related and have not been prosecuted at a Federal level. But the most serious offenses (tax and bank fraud) would be covered under the double jeopardy laws that are on the New York books. Even if he was found guilty of those "other" charges, he would not likely face anything closely resembling he seven plus years he has been sentenced to at a Federal level.
Obviously these prosecutors believe that they have a way around this, or they feel that they can find themselves a friendly anti-Trump judge who will skirt the whole issue with a dubious ruling going their way. Or perhaps the intent is to simply drain some more of Manafort's resources, just for the sake of some good old fashioned spite.
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All the charges have back up that manafort has all ready pled guilty on....He be fucked....Just like you and trump....Next are the kids and the trump criminal enterprise...
Denny...
Obviously you didn't read the article linked.
The claim that Obama administration DOJ protecting Clinton was investigated by the FBI and found no evidence to support the allegations.
Really? Because sworn testimony being released shows the opposite.
Can you provide us with some sort of evidence of this so called "investigation" conducted by the FBI?"CHT
Roger ran.
Double jeopardy is going to be difficult for the defense. State laws were violated, according to the state attorney general's indictment.
The Judge clearly stated that the conviction was not related to the Russian intervention.
No collusion is false but losing lawyers are grasping at straws, just like the President today when he lied repeatedly.
Double jeopardy is going to be difficult for the defense. State laws were violated, according to the state attorney general's indictment.
Roger
Look at the indictments. Are they for bank fraud and tax fraud?
Certainly it can be argued that a person who committed bank fraud or tax fraud committed it at both a federal and state level. No question about it.
But if NY has a law (and they do) that you cannot charge someone with a crime at the state level if they have already been charged at another level... either local or federal.
So according to N.Y. state law, they cannot charge Manafort with any tax fraud or bank fraud, unless it would be specific events that were not covered in the Federal indictment.
Just because the Indictment says something, doesn't mean that the law no longer exists.
In its January 8, 2019 response to the breach allegations, the defense stated that “given the
highly deferential standard that applies to the Government’s determination,” Def.’s Resp. [Dkt.
# 472] at 2, it was not challenging the assertion that the determination was made in good faith.
And, in response to a question posed by the Court at a status hearing held on January 25, 2019, the
defendant conceded that that the determination was made in good faith. Tr. of Hearing (Jan. 25,
2019) [Dkt. # 500] at 13.
In light of the defendant’s concession, and based upon the Court’s independent review of
entire record, including: all of the pleadings listed above and the supporting exhibits; the facts and
arguments placed on the record at the hearing held on February 4, 2019; and the post-hearing
submissions, the Court ruled at the hearing held on February 13, 2019 that the Office of Special
Counsel made its determination that the defendant made false statements and thereby breached the
plea agreement in good faith. Therefore, the Office of Special Counsel is no longer bound by its
obligations under the plea agreement, including its promise to support a reduction of the offense
level in the calculation of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines for acceptance of responsibility.
But that is not the only question before the Court to decide. The question remains whether
the defendant made intentionally false statements in connection with the five matters that have
been identified by the Office of Special Counsel. The answer bears upon the applicability of
certain provisions of the Sentencing Guidelines, in particular, the adjustment for acceptance of
responsibility, and it bears more generally on the Court’s assessment of the factors set forth in the
sentencing statute, 18 U.S.C. § 3553(a). The parties are agreed that the government is bound to
prove facts that bear on the application of the Guidelines by a preponderance of the evidence.
Based upon its consideration of the entire record and the arguments of counsel at the
hearing of February 4, 2019, for the reasons stated on the record at the continuation of the sealed
hearing on February 13, 2019, the Court made the following additional findings:
I. OSC has established by a preponderance of the evidence that defendant
intentionally made false statements to the FBI, the OSC, and the grand jury
concerning the payment by Firm A to the law firm, a matter that was material to
the investigation. See United States v. Moore, 612 F.3d 698, 701 (D.C. Cir. 2010).
II. OSC has failed to establish by a preponderance of the evidence that on October 16,
2018, defendant intentionally made false statements concerning Kilimnik’s role in
the obstruction of justice conspiracy.
III. OSC has established by a preponderance of the evidence that the defendant
intentionally made multiple false statements to the FBI, the OSC, and the grand
jury concerning matters that were material to the investigation: his interactions and
communications with Kilimnik.
IV. OSC has established by a preponderance of the evidence that on October 5, 2018,
the defendant intentionally made false statements that were material to another DOJ investigations.
Btw... Roger.
The article is from the New York State law Journal. (law.com)
here is another interesting article:
https://www.law.com/2019/03/12/ny-lawmakers-expected-to-pass-bill-closing-double-jeopardy-loophole/
Lawmakers in New York have struck an agreement on legislation that would close the so-called double jeopardy loophole, a section of state law that currently precludes state prosecutors from bringing the same charges against an individual who’s received a presidential pardon of federal crimes.
They are going to try to write a new law that would allow them to charge Manafort (and yes, this is specific to Manafort) if he is Pardoned.
Now the problem is going to be that the charges will have taken place under the existing law that does not allow any waiver of double jeopardy for a Presidential Pardon.
So a legal question would come into play if the charges were prior, but the Pardon was previous. A judge could see it either way.
But make no mistake... The entire NY legislation is so obsessed with this that they are quite literally attempting to write legislation specifically for one person.
TDS at the state level.
V. OSC has failed to establish by a preponderance of the evidence that on October 16,
2018, defendant intentionally made a false statement concerning his contacts with
the administration.
This order does not address the question of whether the defendant will receive credit for his
acceptance of responsibility in connection with the calculation of the Sentencing Guidelines or
how any other Guideline provision will apply to this case. Those issues, which depend on the
consideration of a number of additional factors, will be determined at sentencing, after the
Presentence Investigation Report has been completed, the parties have filed their memoranda in
aid of sentencing, and the Court has heard argument.
The Court reporter is hereby ORDERED to provide a copy of the sealed transcript of
today’s hearing to the parties by 12:00 noon on February 14, 2019, and the parties must inform the
Court of any redactions that must to be made before the transcript can be released no later than
11:00 a.m. on February 15, 2019.
SO ORDERED.
AMY BERMAN JACKSON
United States District Judge
If you hadn't gone down to road to TDS you may have made some sense.
I have read other articles stating that the New York Attorney general has specifically avoided double jeopardy.
I have read other articles stating that the New York Attorney general has specifically avoided double jeopardy.
Okay - I'll bite.
Link one or two so I can read them.
Come On Alky .
Love to read them too.
The Socialist elected a freshmen class of adult aged children.
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Ilhan Omar
✔@IlhanMN
Proud mom here! I hope other Members of Congress will join me in this strike.
We need to listen to the wisdom of our kids!"
Lol, what non-sense.
Winning.
President Trump Flips Control of First
WASHINGTON, DC – President Donald Trump flipped the first federal appeals court to a Republican majority on Tuesday, when the Senate confirmed Judge Paul Matey to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit.
America is geographically divided into 13 federal appeals courts. For example, the Third Circuit includes Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, and Puerto Rico.
The Senate confirmed Matey by a vote of 54-46. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) was the sole Democrat to join all Republicans in supporting Matey’s nomination."
Mr. Manafort’s defense lawyers had repeatedly suggested that their client would be a free man had he not worked for the Trump campaign for five months in 2016, implying that Mr. Mueller’s investigators pursued him for crimes unrelated to the campaign only because they hoped to use him as a steppingstone in the Russia inquiry. In other words it was a hoax and witchhunt like the President said later today.
Judge Jackson firmly dismissed that argument, noting that investigators often find evidence of unrelated crimes during inquiries, and that “the perpetrators uncovered that way do not get a pass.” She said the argument was aimed at “some other audience,” not her. In other words she doesn't have a severe case of Trumpism and Faux News Morning News during his Presidential Time.
New York’s 16-count indictment alleges Manafort gave false and misleading information in applying for residential mortgage loans. It says that the fraud started in December 2015 and continued until three days before Trump’s inauguration in 2017.
Manafort is also charged with falsifying business records and conspiracy.
Stephen Gillers, a law professor at New York University, said Vance’s case still has a good chance of succeeding under the current law because the mortgage charges are state crimes distinct from the federal allegations.
“Vance has left himself a fair amount of breathing space to argue that his prosecution does not violate the statute because the crimes he’s prosecuting are sufficiently different from the crimes the United States prosecuted,” Gillers said.
The Washington Times, not the (fake News) Washington Post.
http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/13/new-manafort-charges-could-spur-double-jeopardy-fi/
The Washington Times, not the (fake News) Washington Post.
http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/13/new-manafort-charges-could-spur-double-jeopardy-fi/
Here you have to look at this too.
He was very careful about the indictment, that didn't lap up with the federal trial and conviction.
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At least some of the state charges appear to stem from evidence introduced last August by Muller's team at Manafort’s federal trial in Virginia on various financial fraud charges. The jury there convicted him on two bank fraud counts, but deadlocked on seven others.
Vance said the new indictment involves “serious criminal charges for which the defendant has not been held accountable.”
A state law barring retrials on charges tried in federal court could pose a legal obstacle to the new prosecution. New York legislators have struck a deal to amend that law, but the new legislation has not passed. Legal experts have also said it may be unconstitutional to apply that law to past acts by Manafort.
“New York State law goes way beyond the double jeopardy protections under the U.S. Constitution and prohibits state prosecutors from trying defendants based on the same act or criminal transaction as a prior federal prosecution,” said Duncan Levin, a former New York state and federal prosecutor now with law firm Tucker Levin.
Still, Levin added, “given the way the DA's office has carefully laid out the charges ... I don't think they will be insurmountable problems for the prosecution in the Manafort state case.”.
The President may be facing even worse, similar issues in his past years. He did go bankrupt six times. He screwed contracts in Atlanta City casino, where he lost millions and screwed construction companies and employees.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/13/paul-manafort-charged-new-york-fraud-1220399
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/13/paul-manafort-charged-new-york-fraud-1220399
Poccahatous is a funny lady.
She is against ppl lying to Colleges to get in.
2020 bozo is in.
He says "The Economy is in crisis".
Lol, Socialist idiot.
Lol, Socialist idiot.
Such hard hitting and stupid commentary parroting McCarthy's idiotic rhetoric....fascist, race baitng asshole....
Any one but CH think that the NY filing would be an invitation to double jeopardy or that they are smarter than our fake lawyer who practices slurping trump with gusto????
separate sovereigns rule, it's not double jeopardy. They don't need to "get around" anything.
Why are you still trying to defend this criminal?
Actually the Gamble case currently before the scouts is about precisely this. Its still an unanswered question.
Big three nets completely ignore the Lisa page doj bombshell.
No media bias there.
Why are you still trying to defend this criminal?
Because they and millions of others have lost their collective minds....no different than the Gambino crime family....it is a matter of time before one of the ring leader is indicted....I've got plenty of patience, just like GW will become eminently obvious before some dummies here realize they are up to their necks in sea level rise!!!!
separate sovereigns rule, it's not double jeopardy.
really.
then this gets really interesting, really fast.
every state in the nation now has the right to seek out every person convicted of a federal crime, cross reference it against state criminal statutes, and prosecute for same.
awesome. of course this kinda flies in the face of our prison overcrowding problem and trump's new criminal reform, but hey - let's go after these bastards. jeopardy shmeopardy.
Why are you still trying to defend this criminal?
indeed.
it's obvious that his political enemies want him dead. so rather than just incessantly fucking with him in the hopes he dies in prison, they need to go the putin route and assassinate him via the old poison-tipped umbrella trick. or just shoot him in the back of the head. whatever.
in fact, why aren't we assassinating EVERYONE who's in trump's orbit, wp?
they're obviously guilty of...
...knowing and/or associating with trump.
they are therefore guilty of something.
seize them, i say!
public gallows? guillotine? pay per view perhaps?
i'm seeing a blockbuster here wp.
then this gets really interesting, really fast.
Nice try but exceedingly stupid....you expertise is hating beaners, not law....,.I doubt the southern district was stupid and filed anything that would create a situation that any one would construe as a double hit.....even though it will be appealed as double by the lying snitch lawyer manafort hired....
HAPPY Pi DAY TO ANYONE THAT CARES.....LOLOL
"The Economy is in crisis". Betsy O'rouke
Beto has a point....the deficits of 1 trillion a year is a sure fire way to fuck farmers like you.....first cuts should be farm subsidies to losers like you.....LOLOLOLOL
From the stand point is a Socialist it it.
Historic wage increases
Historic low overall unemployment
Historic low unemployment for Blacks
Historic low unemployment for Hispanics
Increases in Labor Participant Rate
Nearly 3 million off of Food stamps
Shall I go on?
Roger
The article I posted is not from the Washington post. It's from the New York State Law Review paper.
Let me repeat that... New York State Law Review
The argument being made by those who are being quoted Politico (which is not a law review but a political media outlet) is that because the statutes are different (Mortgage fraud vs Bank fraud) that the double jeopardy law doesn't apply.
But the law prevents the State from charging someone for the same "actions" and doesn't cite anything about statutes. If they are attempting to charge Manafort with a different crime for the same acts (the same loan applications) that he was charged for in Federal court - it will get tossed.
Likewise, the law prevents the State from bringing charges if the person has already faced charges under a different jurisdiction. The law doesn't state that NY is only prevented from making charges if they are guilty. So it wouldn't matter if the jury convicted, acquitted, or was hung. He's been charged and cannot be charged for those same crimes again.
Think about it Roger... The state would not desperately attempting to change these laws now, if they didn't think they were relevant to the Manafort case.
The state would not desperately attempting to change these laws now,
Nice try CH....they have known about the problem for years and failed fixing the discrepancy and have failed....Now they are trying to rectify it and tough shit if you don't like it....
Think about it Roger...
ha!
good luck with that.
captain copy/paste can't think beyond orange man bad.
The state may have a case for "falsifying business records" if those same business records have not already been introduced as part of the Federal charges.
But the reality is that the more the Federal indictments covered, the less that the State of New York can charge Manafort with. Doesn't matter if those actions were related to a different charge than the State of New York wants to charge him for.
My guess is that they will throw everything that they can at a Judge and see if any of it sticks. No harm in trying, as they say.
All lies......LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Historic wage increases
Historic low overall unemployment
Historic low unemployment for Blacks
Historic low unemployment for Hispanics
Actually Denny...
The State of New York (like many other states) believes that it's unfair to try the same person for the same crimes multiple times, because the whole Federal/State deal is a cop out.
They did something that is supported by several amendments in the bill of rights.
They have only begun desperately trying to quickly change the law "now" specifically because of Manafort. The entire state has TDS!
Anonymous wphamilton said... separate sovereigns rule, it's not double jeopardy.
Good that wp drops by from time to time to remind us how glaring wrong he can be with facts. Obviously didn't even read the law review article linked.
And he’s also right that the Hispanic unemployment rate is down a point over the last year — it was at 4.9 percent in December, down from 5.9 percent in December 2016. That is close to a record low, though it’s also up 0.1 point from November.
But still, fact check: true on Trump’s numbers.
However, that’s not all Trump is doing in this tweet. He is implying that he caused these low African-American and Hispanic unemployment rates.
And a big problem with that claim is that those rates had been falling for long before Trump took office, and their declines don’t appear to have picked up speed. This implies that there’s nothing specific that Trump did to change this rate.
Indeed, both of these rates have been falling relatively steadily since around 2010, early in President Obama’s tenure in the White House.
So have the unemployment rates for all races and ethnic groups tracked by the Labor Department. In general, these unemployment rates tend to move together. So while Trump called out the African-American and Hispanic unemployment rates, they haven’t changed in any remarkable way, relative to other groups’ unemployment rates.
BTW....black unemployment has been tracked since 1972....
You're constantly defending a criminal.
I sited experienced lawyers.
“New York State law goes way beyond the double jeopardy protections under the U.S. Constitution and prohibits state prosecutors from trying defendants based on the same act or criminal transaction as a prior federal prosecution,” said Duncan Levin, a former New York state and federal prosecutor now with law firm Tucker Levin.
Still, Levin added, “given the way the DA's office has carefully laid out the charges ... I don't think they will be insurmountable problems for the prosecution in the Manafort state case.”.
wp is correct about your inability to be logical anymore.
The entire state has TDS!
You're nuts.
They have only begun desperately trying to quickly change the law "now"
Again, I call bullshit on your made up POS....they have been aware of the problem for years and have tried in the past to rectify it. All you got is your personal opinion......loser
The state would not desperately attempting to change these laws now, if they didn't think they were relevant to the Manafort case.
You are attempting to use the political rhetoric of TDS to defend a convicted felon who was the chairman of the Trump campaign. These became public as a result of decision to join the campaign of a possible felon himself.
CHT said: The entire state has TDS!
Sounds like a good state for Roger and lo iq to move to.
Oh wait, they are already in a state of TDS.
though they are incapable of seeing that.
ROFLMFAO !!!
https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2019/01/03/effort-to-close-double-jeopardy-loophole-in-ny-revived-in-new-session/
Major effort was made last year to change law shooting CH's bullshit right to the moon.....Nice failed attempt to craft your BS into trump support...
https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/todd-kaminsky/kaminsky-introduce-bill-close-ny-double-jeopardy-loophole
the Lisa page doj bombshell.
I addressed it. It's nothing but a firecracker because when you actually read the Fox News story, the story is nothing new.
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Essential insanity of NY state case against Manafort: Former NY prosecutor goes on MSNBC to say 'putting aside the double jeopardy question...the case is a slam dunk' because Manafort has already pleaded to the same charges. So how do you put aside the double jeopardy question?
“The Double Jeopardy loophole allows criminal behavior to go unpunished in our state and needs to be closed,” said Senator Todd Kaminsky. “The writers of our state’s strict Double Jeopardy statute did not take into account the President’s pardon power, and certainly did not contemplate the capricious use of that power to undermine the rule of law.
So how do you put aside the double jeopardy question?
Commercial mortgage fraud is not part of the federal charges, but local to NY.....see how simple asshole???? Just remember, it is only a process crime and does not need to be punished....Our esteemed host will say,....LOLOLOL
Trump has been trying to undermine the rule of law from the first day he took office.
It's all about him, not the law, not national security, but it's all about the man he sees in the mirror.
The entire state has TDS!
you're not wrong, and those not afflicted are fleeing and causing the governor to panic over plummeting tax revenues. we stand to lose at least one more house seat after 2020.
one thing manafort has going for him is that my new AG is an imbecile. she's 0linsky with tits.
Gee Rog...
Sounds like Senator Kaminsky here believes that their double jeopardy laws would apply right now if Manafort was given a pardon. Sounds like an awful lot of people believe that these double jeopardy laws are relevant here.
I am also fairly certain that the prosecutor cannot overcome "insurmountable" legal issues by coming up with a semantically clever way to "present the charges".
In this case the "charges" are not relevant. Only the actions are.
Dennis, Commercial mortgage fraud is not part of the federal charges, but local to NY differs from his personal opinion, not the facts. Scott is the worst example of Trumpism stage four.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Trump has been trying to undermine the rule of law from the first day he took office.
just once, i'd like to see you substantiate this claim with some evidence.
just once.
we know his predecessor captain pen & phone did it frequently and with glee. and we have the 9-0 USSC rulings against skeets to prove it.
man up or shut up alky. show us explicitly how trump is undermining the rule of law or otherwise taking UNconstitutional action.
It's all about him, not the law, not national security, but it's all about the man he sees in the mirror.
how many images of trump preening into the mirror exist, alky?
https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+mirror&rlz=1C1CHWA_enUS606US606&oq=obama+mirror&aqs=chrome..69i57.3351j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Commercial mortgage fraud is not part of the federal charges.
Only the actions? They aren't relevant?
Commercial mortgage fraud is not part of the federal charges.
Thanx that was my point......his TDS is deep and strong....LOLOLOL!!!
just once, i'd like to see you substantiate this claim with some evidence.
Firing comey for the russian probe and his attempt to have whitaker fire the SDNY lead......and nothing you can post will prove these actions are not subversion . Time and indictments will be the final determinator....not your stupid opinion....LOLOL
Only the actions? They aren't relevant?
New York Consolidated Laws, Criminal Procedure Law - CPL § 40.20 Previous prosecution; when a bar to second prosecution
1. A person may not be twice prosecuted for the same offense.
2. A person may not be separately prosecuted for two offenses based upon the same act or criminal transaction unless:
(a) The offenses as defined have substantially different elements and the acts establishing one offense are in the main clearly distinguishable from those establishing the other; or
(b) Each of the offenses as defined contains an element which is not an element of the other, and the statutory provisions defining such offenses are designed to prevent very different kinds of harm or evil; or
(c) One of such offenses consists of criminal possession of contraband matter and the other offense is one involving the use of such contraband matter, other than a sale thereof; or
(d) One of the offenses is assault or some other offense resulting in physical injury to a person, and the other offense is one of homicide based upon the death of such person from the same physical injury, and such death occurs after a prosecution for the assault or other non-homicide offense; or
(e) Each offense involves death, injury, loss or other consequence to a different victim; or
(f) One of the offenses consists of a violation of a statutory provision of another jurisdiction, which offense has been prosecuted in such other jurisdiction and has there been terminated by a court order expressly founded upon insufficiency of evidence to establish some element of such offense which is not an element of the other offense, defined by the laws of this state; or
(g) The present prosecution is for a consummated result offense, as defined in subdivision three of section 20.10 , which occurred in this state and the offense was the result of a conspiracy, facilitation or solicitation prosecuted in another state.
(h) One of such offenses is enterprise corruption in violation of section 460.20 of the penal law , racketeering in violation of federal law or any comparable offense pursuant to the law of another state and a separate or subsequent prosecution is not barred by section 40.50 of this article.
(i) One of the offenses consists of a violation of 18 U.S.C. 371 , where the object of the conspiracy is to attempt in any manner to evade or defeat any federal income tax or the payment thereof, or a violation of 26 U.S.C. 7201 , 26 U.S.C. 7202 , 26 U.S.C. 7203 , 26 U.S.C. 7204 , 26 U.S.C. 7205 , 26 U.S.C. 7206 or 26 U.S.C. 7212(A) , where the purpose is to evade or defeat any federal income tax or the payment thereof, and the other offense is committed for the purpose of evading or defeating any New York state or New York city income taxes and is defined in article one hundred fifty-five of the penal law, article one hundred seventy of the penal law, article one hundred seventy-five of the penal law, article thirty-seven of the tax law or chapter forty of title eleven of the administrative code of the city of New York.
https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/criminal-procedure-law/cpl-sect-40-20.html
read the law, not some politico asshat.
fucking retard.
Commercial mortgage fraud is not part of the federal charges, but local to NY.....see how simple asshole????
The law protects a citizen from being charged again for the same "action" not for the same law.
The fact that the Federal government charged him with "bank fraud" rather than "mortgage fraud" doesn't matter.
If the charges stem from the same banking/mortgage transactions, then double jeopardy applied.
It certainly "could" be that Mueller and his investigators "missed something" that New York found. But does anyone honestly believe that Mueller actually "missed" something that Manafort did that was illegal?
Or there would have to be something that Manafort did that was not against "Federal law" but against "State law".
The law protects a citizen from being charged again for the same "action" not for the same law.
Sure CH.....keep making shit up since you are such an expert of nothing.....He is charged and they will stick no matter what your vehement position is....It is a new crime and NY sill prosecute....I see you ignored the Kaminsky attempt to change the NYS law from last year....why is that, not man enough to admit you fucked up?????LOLOLOLOL
It certainly "could" be that Mueller and his investigators "missed something" that New York found. But does anyone honestly believe that Mueller actually "missed" something that Manafort did that was illegal?
please.
if they had manafort on tape spitting on the sidewalk that charge would've been brought.
scumbags like weissman have actually INVENTED charges in previous cases, so if there was a charge to bring against manafort it would've been brought.
they're not seeking justice. they want the man dead.
Sure CH.....keep making shit up since you are such an expert of nothing
I didn't "make it up".
The New York State Law Review and plenty of other legal media outlets are making the argument.
The State legislation is trying to "change the law" in response.
Even those who brought the charges acknowledge this and are working to try to get around it.
The only person in this conversation making their own claims are "you" and lord knows "you" are not an expert.
i only posted the relevant statute. i would've expect denny or roger to be able to comprehend it.
“In the event Mr. Manafort ultimately evades federal justice by virtue of a politically expedient pardon, he may still be held accountable for violations of New York state law,” Rao said.
The mortgage fraud charges stem from the same conduct that led to Manafort’s federal conviction — that he allegedly submitted false information to banks while seeking loans. The 16-count indictment accuses him of residential mortgage fraud, attempted residential mortgage fraud, falsifying business records, scheming to defraud and conspiracy.
The new state charges may draw criticism as politicizing a prosecutor’s authority, in what may be an effort by Vance to deter a pardon for Manafort. Depending on the case’s facts and the particular laws in question, state and federal prosecutors can, though, bring separate cases for the same offenses without implicating double jeopardy concerns.
The state charges, for example, reference an email in which Manafort tells someone they need to be at his Howard Street property, so it appears they live there. It was revealed at Manafort’s trial in federal court in Virginia that he had told a lender his daughter and son-in-law were living at the condo, when in fact it was used as a rental.
The state charges also reference Manafort’s asking someone to sign a letter indicating Manafort had let them use his credit card to buy baseball season tickets. It was revealed at Manafort’s trial in Virginia that he had asked his longtime deputy, Rick Gates, to say he had incurred the debt, when in fact Manafort was the one to purchase the tickets.
Manafort’s federal case was split in two — one in Virginia, where he was convicted at trial, and another in the District of Columbia, where he pleaded guilty. Manafort hid millions of dollars in income in overseas accounts, cheating on his taxes. When his clients in Ukraine’s government were forced out of office and stopped paying him, Manafort engaged in fraudulent loan schemes to maintain his lavish lifestyle.
The New York State Law Review and plenty of other legal media outlets are making the argument.
IOW's you made it up
There is no doubt it will be appealed...You think the appeal will stand....I think it will be tossed out.....End of discussion unless you want to keep acting like a stupid ass....LOLOL
rb said...
i only posted the relevant statute.
SO FUCKING WHAT ASSHOLE.......I don't claim to be a lawyer capable of interpreting a statute or its nuances....neither can asshole CH or you!!!! God you are an infuriatingly stupid idiot...!!!!!!!!
lo iq said "God you are an infuriatingly stupid idiot...!!!!!!!!"
ROFLMFAO !!!
you don't need to be a lawyer to read it and comprehend it denny.
you just have to possess an IQ higher than that of a potted plant.
that leaves out you and the alky.
rb said...
you don't need to be a lawyer to read it and comprehend it denny.
you just have to possess an IQ higher than that of a potted plant.
This sure shows why you flunked out of ag school and are a loser salesman with retarded kids.....Keep dreaming and slurping along, you have less the CH and his stupidity....LOLOLOLOL A lemming at best a trump slurping loser period........BWAAAAA!!!!
rrb said...
you don't need to be a lawyer to read it and comprehend it denny.
you just have to possess an IQ higher than that of a potted plant.
lo iq can only dream of reaching the level of a potted plant.
and he will never bloom
ROFLMFAO !!!
As Forrest Gump once said...
Stupid is as stupid does.
Stupid is as stupid does.
You should stop talking about yourself, CH....it is the first sign of terminal TDS stupidity.....LOLOLOL Still no apology about your error stating NY was newly addressing the double jeopardy laws and prematurely ejaculting on tuckers now losing 39% of his advertisers versus your bullshit 1,,,,,,keep kidding yourself forest....that is all you got!!!!
Roger how are you going to live on 33% of your prior income?
Sorry Denny...
But NY IS only trying to change these laws because of Manafort. There is no other N.Y. resident who recently was charged in Federal court who may get a Presidential pardon. Not even the N.Y. lawmakers are pretending differently.
Oh and you can watch Tucker Carlson tonight and see every single ad spot filled. For every advertiser who decides to not advertise on FOX, there are about ten more waiting in line to take their spot.
That's what happens when you garner the ratings that Tucker Carlson gets.
The Mirage Years black unemployment 13.7
Trump the Racist , 7.0 %.
Sorry Denny...
But NY IS only trying to change these laws because of Manafort
LOLOLOL Your opinion is about as worthless as tits on the goat fucking idiot....Too funny even for you...Sorry asshole, you lose!!!!!! And the odds of watching tucker the bigot is between zero and none......idiot....again, time is on my side!!! LOLOLOL
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