So in a nutshell Sen. Crist (D-FL) asked two separate questions of William Barr. Here is the exact wording, so there is no confusion:
“Reports have emerged recently, general, that members of the special counsel’s team are frustrated at some level with the limited information included in your March 24th letter, that it does not adequately or accurately, necessarily, portray the report’s findings. Do you know what they’re referencing with that?”
“You made a conclusion on the question of obstruction of justice that was not contained in the Mueller report. ... Did Bob Mueller support your conclusion?”Now first and foremost, if you heard these questions are different from what I posted, then you heard wrong and were probably lied to. The fact of the matter is that there was one question asked about a media story that "staffers" were frustrated, and there is another question asking if Mueller specifically questioned or supported Barr's conclusion on obstruction. From what I see, people are attempting to somehow merge the two, in order to make a point that doesn't exist.
First question:
There are two problems with the first question. The first would be that the letter he got from Mueller did not specifically refer to how each individual staffer felt and it is very unlikely Barr sat down with any of these staffers (much less all of them) to get a feel exactly what their issue was. Secondly, it would also be impossible for Barr to know where these reports came from, what specific staffers (if any) may or may not have been interviewed, and if these stories were specifically in regards to the letter or if the reports were referring to other things. In fact, one would believe that if the media reports were in regards to the letter, that the letter itself would have been mentioned. The fact that it wasn't, suggests that these reports were in regards to staffers complaining to the media (separate from the letter).
Had Barr been represented by an attorney, the attorney would have objected on two separate issues. The first would be lack of Authentication that the News articles were real (unless someone from Barr's team had stipulated to the accuracy of these reports). The second would be on the grounds of Speculation. How can Barr (or anyone) possibly know the thoughts and beliefs of unnamed staffers who were being referred to in a media story. If you cannot even identify who these unhappy staffers are, how can you know what an unknown person is thinking?
So Barr did exactly the only legal thing he could do, which was say he could not say for sure either what the Media reports were referring to, or specifically what these particular "staffers" were feeling when they talked to the media. There is no obligation for him to mention a letter in this situation, but he did use the information from that letter as his best guess:
“No, I don’t. I think — I think — I suspect that they probably wanted more put out, but in my view, I was not interested in putting out summaries or trying to summarize, because I think any summary, regardless of who prepares it, not only runs the risk of, you know, being underinclusive or overinclusive, but also, you know, would trigger a lot of discussion and analysis that really should await everything coming out at once.”Again, how can William Barr know exactly what these media reports were referring to, or what nonspecific people were upset about it. He can't. What he can and did do, is speculate based on what he knew from the letter he got from Mueller.
But to Barr's bigger defense, he also answered a different more specific question regarding what he thought Mueller might have been frustrated by. To that question, Barr stated that Mueller:
“wanted to put out the full executive summaries that are incorporated in the report.”So in essence when asked specifically about Mueller, he provided pretty much the direct quote that Mueller provided for him. When asked about concerns of the staff as reported by the media, he says he cannot know for sure, but suspects that they wanted the same thing Mueller wanted.
These answers seem to be an accurate description. Barr states specifically what Mueller wanted, while he gets around the "speculation" objection by basically allowing everyone to understand that he was speculating rather than stating a fact about what "staffers" believed.
Second Question:
This one is simple. The letter never mentions anything about Barr's conclusion on obstruction. Nor does there appear to be any known discussion between Barr and Mueller on the subject of whether ot not Mueller objects. In fact, there is no evidence at this point that Mueller himself disagrees (only media reports that certain staffers disagree). In his own report, Mueller make it abundantly clear that proving corrupt intent was a very high bar, and that the law and the facts of the case were not clear enough to him to support recommending an indictment. So Barr answers:
“I don’t know whether Bob Mueller supported my conclusion.”Certainly fair enough. There still is no indication from anyone, nor does the letter indicate that Mueller either supports or objects to Barr's ultimate call on obstruction.
Bottom line:
At the end of the day Impeachment for perjury would rely on the idea that Barr should have said he absolutely knew for sure what the media reports were referring to regarding staffers, rather than just speculating what they were referring to. That is highly dubious if not downright silly.
Frustrated Democrats are simply lashing out at this point and playing politics. They understand that a media still stinging from being wrong about collusion and conspiracy would take their side an pretty much anything they decide to drudge up at this point. There is no perjury case here, no matter how hard they want to try to make it. In fact the answers were deftly answered in perhaps the best legal manner available to the Attorney General, which shouldn't surprise anyone, since he is the Attorney General.
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Democrats issue threat to use Seargent at Arms to Arrest AG Barr.
Oh, and the will have him handcuffed.
Stop Talking and get to doing.
Pppppppllllleeeeaaaasssseeee
They are completely unhinged. Out to lunch. Besides themselves with post Russia conspiracy depression.
Your source
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/the-big-lie-that-barr-lied/amp/
Actually Roger, Mueller's description of events are slightly different than mine, but I take great comfort in the fact that the guy who has been RIGHT EVERY TIME during this entire thing...
agrees with me again.
But hey, you got plenty of so angry that they cannot see straight people probably arguing differently... of course, using their own set of facts which do not closely relate to reality.
Please tell us Roger. Why is McCarthy (or myself) wrong?
Actually Roger, Mueller's description of events are slightly different than mine
Which proves how full of shit you are, Lil Scotty.....As for Barr and the truth.....it may not be perjury but it sure did not seem truthful to even the most biased fellators like you.....especially since he had the mueller memo questioning the Barr BS.....but don't let that get in your way....facts never do,......
Well Denny,
Bias is in the eyes of the beholder. Your bias has again and again and again proven to be on the wrong side of the actual end result, while my bias has been on the right side of the end result.
Scott you used to be somewhat analytical, and tried to keep your own political beliefs separated from your opinions.
To you a difference of opinion is biased. I try very hard to look at the facts, like a lawyer. Trump said that he believes exactly what Putin says. Do you really agree with him? The Russians didn't actually try to alter the outcome of the election? The use of the social media, or create web sites didn't really happen?
Yes or no!
Your bias has again and again and again proven to be on the wrong side of the actual end result. Will we ever have a defined conclusion. But as you know, 72,000 votes in PA WI and MI gave Trump the electoral college victory.
My non biased opinion has been exonerated.
Wrong in the facts.
"But as you know, 72,000 votes in PA WI and MI gave Trump the electoral college victory."
Spectacularly wrong. What a simplton..
I really like the thread of you Alky as "THE HAPPY COUPLE"
LOL 😂🤣
Roger, I am not even sure you understand the term "analytical".
When I addressed this particular issue, what did I do?
I provided the direct quotes of the question
I provided the direct quotes of the answers
I provide complete reasoning and explained carefully why Barr was not only telling the truth, but doing so in the most reasonable way possible.
As is pretty much 100% of the time the case...
Neither you or anyone else offered any actual rebuttal.
The information is there for you to review, and for you to explain how I am wrong. But sometime tells me that your cognitive dissonance prevented you from actually being able to read the entire piece before your head started to explode.
The truth is that one of us (me) has been consistently right about pretty much all of this. The other of us (you) has been consistently wrong.
I am not talking about this in some sort of theoretical "right" or "wrong" as it pertains to an opinion about anything. I am talking about the tangible measurable right or wrong (such as whether or not Mueller would indict anyone for being a Russian agent, conspiring with Russia, or aiding and abetting Russians).
You simply have been consistently wrong across the board and your only reaction is to attack me personally and to demand that somehow everyone who approves of how things are going in this country somehow must have something wrong with them.
That manner of thinking is the very opposite of analytical. It is completely devoid of factual argument, and completely 100% about your own personal emotion (and your inability to control your emotions).
So once again my post stands on it's merits.
Not only can you not dispute any of it.
You don't even bother to try!
Let me leave you with another thing to ponder.
How many of the articles you have read by the emotional out of their mind Trump haters arguing that Barr committed perjury...
actually provided the direct question and answer quotes as I did?
because of the anti-Trump Barr lied articles I read (and I have read at least a half dozen)... not a one of them provided anything even close to an actual quote. Pretty much all of them provided a misleading "paraphrase" of the events, complete with their own "spin". Most of them also found themselves diving off into other subjects (as to why they believe anyone associated with Trump cannot be trusted).
If someone is unwilling to use direct quotes and must stoop to straw man paraphrasing to prove something, that is the opposite of being analytical.
If someone cannot stick to the issue at hand, and constantly wants to interject irrelevant red herring into the debate, it's because they cannot win the debate on fact and analytical points.
Look at my post. Other than my last paragraph (where I refer to the fact that the media is stinging from being wrong) - the entire post is specific to the event at hand (which was the hearing, the questions, the letter, and the allegations of perjury).
I don't drift off into emotional rants about what a horrible person Trump is or anything like that... but rather (being analytical) I rely on sticking entirely on topic, and making only relative arguments.
You pretend that your issue is with something else, Roger... But your issue is that you simply don't "like" my conclusions (even when you know deep down they are correct).
"Vanity Fair: Hunter Biden’s $1.5 Billion Bank of China Deal ‘Looming on the Horizon’ as Campaign Scandal"
Oh Joe used Your VP position. And Obama knew.
Scott Brickwall
Unlike you, I rarely read the partisan websites. I don't believe that the MSM is full of Trump haters. By the way, I do think that Trump is a horrible person.
I rely on sticking entirely on topic, and making only relative arguments. total bullshit. Barr lied. He had seen the letter from Mueller, and he said that he had not seen "anything". Lawyer talk.
the media is stinging from being wrong) that is purely a politically biased opinion.
His response was clearly false, because he had already received the letter written by his "snippy staff".
He is acting as the lawyer for the President. You don't care.
Roger goes and proves CH is right by not providing the direct quote in which he accuses Barr of lying and paraphrasing what Barr said in his own bias way.
65% of the American public now wants to know how this investigation started.
It's a legitimate question since it goes to abuse of power in the Obama Administration.
65% of the American public now wants to know how this investigation started.
A link would be most helpful there sport.....
Barr lied.
prove it. go ahead and impeach him too, alky. if the evidence of barr lying is conclusive and beyond reasonable doubt, you could have him out of office by the first of june at the latest.
so go for it. but before you do, show us the lie. the exact lie.
Lawyer talk.
commonly known as "english."
once again, show us the exact lie, alky. you claim it exists, so please share.
I was wrong. It's 69%
For the google challenged:
69 Percent of Americans Want Origins of Russia Probe Investigated: CNN Poll
The survey, released on May 1, found that 69 percent of those polled “think Congress ought to investigate the origins of the Justice Department’s inquiry into Russian interference.” Of those who voted, 76 percent were Democrats, 69 percent were independents, and 62 percent were Republicans.
Happy Dennis?
for the record - barr didn't lie. this is simply the democrats latest attempt to smear him and make him look bad as he embarks upon an investigation to determine who participated in the coup attempt.
liberals know this, won't admit to it, but it's exactly what's going on.
and as to the letter from mueller - joe digenova thinks that piece of shit scumbag andrew weissman wrote it. he's probably correct.
Pretty soon they are going to be asking the question "What did the president know and when did he know it?"
And the president they are referring to won't be Trump.
Somebody let the cat out of the bag.
.@RepAlGreen: “I’m concerned if we don’t impeach this president, he will get re-elected. ... We must impeach him.”
indeed. 0linsky's paw prints are all over the coup attempt.
CHT said:
"So once again my post stands on it's merits.
Not only can you not dispute any of it.
You don't even bother to try! "
I totally agree with you. No facts, just emotion. And when they are provided facts they refuse to acknowledge them because it ruins their narrative.
And look at lo iq. He thinks he's in great shape because of the number of pensions he has. Not that they are so low that he received less than a $300 tax cut. At that level he needs about 8 more.
now lo income for life, matching his lo iq.
but queue his goat bleat.
and his fucking goats.
ROFLMFAO !!!!
Commonsense said...
Pretty soon they are going to be asking the question "What did the president know and when did he know it?"
Maybe Kenya will give him sanctuary?
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At least we know Hillary destroying evidence and bleaching her secret server and purchasing a fraudulent Trump dossier from Russian agents connected to the Kremlin and Comey using it to obtain illegal FISA warrants to implicate Trump with Russia was all on the up and up.
but she only got rid of yoga emails and the like, right? And the MSM will have reporters right on this, right ? What's this about FAKE NEWS and them controlling the narrative? And DNC talking points repeated on all the MSM word-for-word?
Unlike you, I rarely read the partisan websites.
They are all partisan, Roger. If you don't understand that, then you are an idiot.
I don't believe that the MSM is full of Trump haters. By the way, I do think that Trump is a horrible person.
Which is 100% entirely irrelevant to whether Barr committed perjury. The fact than anyone would put the two issues into the same article/rant is proof that whomever wrote it is not objective.
Barr lied. He had seen the letter from Mueller, and he said that he had not seen "anything". Lawyer talk.
It's not "Lawyer talk" that the truth is not perjury.
It's "political talk" to try to change what was said to make it perjury.
Even your own fucking response ignores the quotes... and you just paraphrase it into something it's not.
So tell us all Roger.
Are the transcripts and videos of the hearing incorrect?
Or are the alternative descriptions of those events incorrect?
Because I am going to stick to the transcripts...
While you stick to what Pelosi, and the media tells you happened.
Because you are too damned intellectually bankrupt to actually read the transcripts yourself.
Because you are too damned intellectually bankrupt to actually read the transcripts yourself.
it's ironic...
for years, going all the way back to the old yahoo message board days the alky has repeatedly bragged of having an IQ of 137.
and then he proceeds to disprove the claim with every one of his "political analyses" around here.
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