If this was about optics, then Democrats and especially Mueller lost the day
Starts off correcting the misstatement regarding whether or not he would have "indicted" the president if not for the OLC opinions. That was likely the biggest "talking point" that the left was excited about (even if it was clear to most that it was a misstatement).
Bottom line: He took back the idea that he would have indicted the President.
Apparently the second hearing is going to involve the Democrats trying to talk about Volume I. This is the area that people really are pretty set on. The fact of the matter is that this is where the Democrats will find themselves arguing with Mueller. He is already disagreeing with them on their characterization of events.
They are attempting to tell him he was wrong about his charging decisions. He will continue to disagree.
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I will say that the one thing that the Republicans (so far) have let go is not forcing Mueller and the Democrats to clarify as to whom Papadopoulos and Manafort were talking to. Papadopoulos got his information not from "the Russians" but from a London based Professor. Manafort did not share information with "the Russians" but rather with one of his employees.
Democrats keep referring to these people as if they might as well be Vladimir Putin himself, and Mueller is failing to correct (and Republicans are not following up).
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Democrats are clearly struggling to gain traction here. The obvious strategy was to allow the House to work on the obstruction portion, while the Senate worked on the conspiracy side. Perhaps things will change in the second half of things here.
Mueller doesn't look quite as bad as he did earlier (or maybe we are just getting used to the fact that he is a bumbler), but the Democrats have adopted a strategy of questioning the legal aspects of why there was a lack of indictments. This puts them in an adversarial situation.
Mueller doesn't look quite as bad as he did earlier (or maybe we are just getting used to the fact that he is a bumbler), but the Democrats have adopted a strategy of questioning the legal aspects of why there was a lack of indictments. This puts them in an adversarial situation.
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The portion where Democrats suggested that Trump Jr sending out a link being a crime is not taken kindly by media members who all pretty much relinked the wikileaks information. As one person stated, if that was a crime, half of Washington DC would be in jail.
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Curious that Mueller determined that the two dozen plus leaks that could only come from his investigation, didn't come from his investigation. It seems like an odd (and somewhat naive) viewpoint that these leaks must have come from someone outside of his investigation.
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I thought that maybe after the break that Democrats would switch gears and not necessarily try to get Mueller to state that there was some "conspiracy" that he otherwise had not previously found. But they are right back to questioning Special Counsel on the idea that there really "was" a conspiracy that was missed. Sort of the plain sight conspiracy that Adam Schiff is so fond of suggesting. Mueller made the call that none of this was criminal. Democrats seem like people who believe if they ask the same question nine times and get a "no", that the tenth time just might be a "yes".
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BOMBSHELL - Congressman Welsh read the report and repeated the same things that we have all heard about 1000 times! This is what it has gotten down to. Repeating the same things over and over and over and over... and hoping someone will care "again".
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So Adam Schiff finishes up by talking about the Moscow Trump Tower deal?
It would be sad if I didn't find it so funny!
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Just looking at the Socialist Media.
Mueller performance is on par With Hillary's Campaign .
"Wednesday during a break in FBI special counsel Robert Mueller’s testimony before Congress, NBC’s “Meet the Press” anchor Chuck Todd said the hearing had “narrative nightmares for the Democrats.”
When asked if the testimony is bringing the report to life like a movie Todd said, “In no movie would the best actor, the lead person here has the fewest words spoken. And the problem here is you — basically the narrative that Democrats were hoping that Bob Mueller would be telling is essentially they are telling him and he is saying, ‘that’s true. yes, that’s correct.’ I wrote it down two narrative nightmares for the Democrats, one was ‘I stick with the language I have in front of you,’ or ‘whatever was said will appear in the report.’ He has no interest in helping to providing color, context and that does, I think take away some drama.”
:"David Axelrod, a former senior adviser to President Barack Obama, said Wednesday that Robert Mueller did not look as "sharp" as he used to during a House Judiciary Committee hearing, calling the performance "painful."
And mueller said that trump could be indicted when he leaves office based on the testimony given.....He also said conspiracy existed and trump was unethical in not reporting it....Trump also welcomed the russian help while 240 million americans were affected by the russian attack.....You included goat fucking loser....!!!!
Republi came loaded for bear. Gates, Jordan, Collins, others thoroughly exposed the double standards,the bias in favor of democrats, the ignored conflicts of interest, the willful ignorance regarding steele and fusion GPS.
Mueller didn't write the report. The Hillary donors did.
Looks to me that 2019 could easily be the hottest year on record as more records fall!!!! More interesting than you sychopants slurping on donnie!!!!
Temperature departures from average on Thursday, showing the scorching heat across Western Europe. (Weatherbell.com)
By Andrew Freedman July 24 at 3:32 PM
(This article has been updated)
A historic heat wave is bringing unprecedented temperatures to Western Europe, and is poised to expand northeastward to Scandinavia and into the Arctic by late this weekend. Once above the Arctic Circle, the weather system responsible for this heat wave could accelerate the loss of sea ice, which is already running at a record low for this time of year.
First, residents of Paris, London, Brussels, Amsterdam, Munich, Zurich and other locations are suffering through dangerously high temperatures on Wednesday and Thursday.
Already on Wednesday, all-time national heat records in the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany had fallen, right on the heels of a late June heat wave that broke similar records in France and other countries. The German meteorological agency noted that Wednesday’s national record of 104.9 degrees (40.5 Celsius) may last just a day before being broken on Thursday.
It’s difficult to beat all-time heat records in mid-July, considering this is the hottest time of year. It’s even more unusual to beat these records by a large margin, which is what is occurring now.
Fire burns along a French highway during record-setting European heatwave
A fire broke out along the side of a highway in France on July 24 as the country experienced record-high temperatures. (Stephan Gregoire via Storyful)
For example, Paris is likely to exceed 100 degrees (37.8 Celsius) on Wednesday by a few degrees, and break its all-time high temperature record of 104.7 degrees (40.4 Celsius) by up to 3 degrees on Thursday, with a forecast high of 108 (42.2 Celsius). The city’s all-time high temperature record has stood since 1947.
there thoroughly exposed the double standards,the bias in favor of democrats, the ignored conflicts of interest
You are soooooo full of shit ballz....any hope of you having any credibility at all is lost in your bias......BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!
BTW you ball less dumb fuck....they also ignored the fact that mueller evidence points to trump being a FELON!!!!!! Yeah. witch hunt my white ass!!!!
Surprisingly the big winner in all of this may be Nancy Pelosi who has been trying to keep the lid on impeachment.
However, I think the damage has been done. Mueller has been expose as a geriatric figure head and Schiff and Nadler as been exposed as fools on national TV.
Best move for the Democrats is to quietly shut this down and hope people forget by Election Day.
Anybody with an iota of intelligence saw how bad a day this was for Mueller and the Democrats.
Next up the IG report and then Durham.
Looks like the dems are going face first into the wood shredder and have no clue. They brought this on.
Think I'll watch Fargo tonight.
Mueller got schooled on the law, presumption of innocence vs exoneration, and the role of a prosecutor, special or otherwise. Let's see if any of the networks cover it.
However, I think the damage has been done. Mueller has been expose as a geriatric figure
Yeah....trump should resign....As to Mueller....lets see what your life accomplishments are when you hit 75. Supporting trump is not an accomplishment, it is illness!!!! BWAAAAAAAA!!!
What it really showed was AG Barr gaslighted the country with his BS under the direction of trump....sad you are blind to that..
d...
Mueller got schooled on the law,
BWAAAAAAAAA!!!! You really are a dumb fuck if you believe that.....asshole!!!!
Trump is doing a war dance around Air Force 1.
@CarpeDonktum
Rachel Maddow needs to be under 24 hour surveillance (like Trump was) for her own safety.
I fear this will be too much for her to bear.
@ScottPresler
I would like to personally thank the democrat party for this Mueller hearing.
You just destroyed Mueller's credibility in front of the entire nation.
This is better than I could have hoped for!
#MuellerHearings
@TrumpWarRoom
Texts between top FBI agents Lisa Page & Peter Strzok:
“the White House is running this” 8/5/16
“I want to believe…there’s no way he gets elected—but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy” 8/15/16
“POTUS wants to know everything we’re doing” 9/2/16
who's next ?
@MeetThePress
@chucktodd reacts to Robert Mueller's testimony to the House Judiciary Committee:
"On optics, this was a disaster" for House Democrats because they were looking for "this dramatic moment that would capture the imagination."
hey lo iq found one !!!
Three possible Articles of Impeachment:
I. “Donald J. Trump has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.”
II. “Donald J. Trump has made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation had been conducted.”
III. “Donald J. Trump has defied lawful subpoenas, and thus usurped unto himself judgments necessary to the exercise of the sole power of impeachment vested by the Constitution in the House of Representatives.”
“The person who learned the most about the Mueller report today was Bob Mueller. … He clearly didn’t write the report which means those under him did which means the issue of bias is all the more important. It was a terrible day if you are a Democrat ”
Roger
There will be no impeachment. There were two chances, slim and none. Slim just left the building with this Mueller fiasco.
Even Robert Mueller's worst critics could not have wished for such and epic fail from him today. He was embarrassing by all accounts.
@JohnWHuber
If @realDonaldTrump acted like Robert Mueller did today how long would it take the media to demand his removal for incapacity under the 25th amendment?
bring in Weismann into Senate under oath
LMAO run with it liver.
You’re gonna lose the house, keep pushing please
Cray cray
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Three possible Articles of Impeachment:
but only one possible outcome: NOT GUILTY.
alky, all three of those are complete and utter bullshit. such bullshit that only the most TDS afflicted asshat would pursue it.
and just so the senate can let trump walk?
i give you credit for hanging in there on this alky. your trump hatred has cost you your marriage, your home, and lord knows what the fuck else.
you, my friend, have legitimized TDS into the annals of true mental illness. you've made it real.
all because a feckless cunt couldn't manage to win an election that was so stacked in her fucking favor it wasn't even funny.
but at least your hacienda heights homeless shelter has free wifi eh?
You’re gonna lose the house, keep pushing please
between mueller and the jihad squad, pelosi had got to be cleaning out the liquor cabinet in her office tonight.
We wish you a Mueller Christmas...
https://twitter.com/funder/status/1077784840840318976
as dumbfuck denny would say -
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
@JohnWHuber
Seems weird AG Bill Barr managed to read the entire Mueller report in 48 hours, write a succinct overview of the principal conclusions and practice some bagpipes yet Mueller doesn’t even know what’s in it after working on it for 2+ years
ROFLMFAO !!!
Article Two allows me to do anything I want to do.
Oh. No. No, Obama didn't say and would never say anything THAT stupid.
@RepDanCrenshaw
This is exactly what you need to understand about the Mueller report. Listen to my friend @RepRatcliffe decimate the narrative of guilt surrounding the President.
https://twitter.com/RepDanCrenshaw/status/1154072950846496768
Trump underwater in all polls.
And NEVER ONCE above water in the aggregate.
First President ever to accomplish that.
@RepAndyBiggsAZ
Democrats and the media continue to do their best to parse every word and take fragments of Mr. Mueller’s report out of context to continue to mislead the American people, but they cannot overcome this simple truth: Special Counsel Mueller found no collusion and no obstruction.
WINNING !!!
@thebradfordfile
I've always found it odd that only Hillary Clinton used campaign funds to purchase Russian intelligence.
But Robert Mueller didn't care.
@billmaher
I can't watch this anymore. Go home, guys. You made O J try on the glove, and it just didn't work. You can still win the election, but I wouldn't bet my own money on it.
NO EXONERATION.
NO WITCH HUNT.
I WON, SAYS 2ND ARTICLE BRAIN DAMAGED DEVIOUS DONALD.
Piss off pederast
@lmlawrence891
Today's Mueller hearing was like Larry Holmes vs. Randall Cobb. Waiting for the referee to stop the bludgeoning and it never happened.
The Three Socialist Stooges of CHT look at today as a WIN.
Yep. This is what their kind of winning looks like.
House socialist democrats reject AOC 11 years 5 month left plan for one that calls for the End to come in 2050.
Question: “Trump and his campaign welcomed & encouraged Russian interference?”
Mueller: “Yes.”
Question: “And then Trump and his campaign lied about it to cover it up?”
Mueller: “Yes.”
If the Twins get into the World Series vs the Dodgers we are going to have to wager on it.
You would have to admit that the President is a part liar, but you don't care!
@RyanAFournier
The Democrats lost an election they rigged.
And now they have officially lost an investigation they rigged.
It must suck to be a Democrat!
and may I add they have lost their minds
@JohnWHuber
Is Mueller laying the groundwork for an insanity defense? If so it’s working
@TimRunsHisMouth
So the plot twist at the end of the #MuellerHearings is that Robert Mueller was never a real investigator, he's just a senile old man who has been held against his will by Democrats for 3.5 years, gets paid with licorice... and this is all just a massive elder abuse case.
The Technology continues to baffle Roger.
"I don't think that the Speaker Pelosi will support the implementation of the President
But they may have hearings on the allegations. "
The Squatters.
"“Migration to me is liberation. It’s the ability to move and be. It’s the freedom to be. I think that all people should be free, to be here, in our communities"
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Question: “Trump and his campaign welcomed & encouraged Russian interference?”
Mueller: “Yes.”
Question: “And then Trump and his campaign lied about it to cover it up?”
Mueller: “Yes.”
well, i guess that settles it alky. we should expect to see those articles of impeachment served up today, no?
i mean, you personally really need impeachment to happen. you pissed away your liver, your marriage and your home on an impeachment bet fueled by your trump hatred and subsequent stage IV TDS.
i wouldn't want to see you disappointed after squandering all that just because orange man bad.
More fake statistics on the European disastrous heat wave.....just a prelude to our future.....again the deniers will just call this weather, but the trend is unmistakeable even to those who can't see.....like how trump is the most corrupt Prez evah!!!!! Going to jail when he leaves office is something to look forward to. I'll be patient!!!!!
Like you all accept the new norm with trump....wonder how you will do under this new norm with WX????????
https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/All-Time-Heat-Records-Melt-Europe-Worst-Come-Thursday?cm_ven=cat6-widget
Visitors and residents alike are sweating their way through one of the worst heat waves in Western European history. Three nations—Belgium, Germany, and the Netherlands—set all-time record highs on Wednesday, along with more than 60 cities across the region. Some of the all-time records broken were more than a century old. (These records are preliminary until confirmed by national weather agencies.)
The heat wave’s climax is expected to arrive on Thursday, when Paris is predicted to break its all-time high of 40.4°C (104.7°F), set in 1947, by as much as 3°F. The United Kingdom may approach its all-time record high of 38.5°C (101.3°F), set in Brogdale on August 10, 2003.
The three preliminary national records were set in close quarters—each less than 50 miles from the intersection of Belgium, Germany, and the Netherlands.
— Kleine Brogel Air Base, Belgium: 39.9°C (103.8°F); old record 38.8°C in Liège in July 2015
— Geilenkirchen NATO Air Base, Germany: 40.5°C (104.9°F); old record 40.3°C in Kitzingen on July 5 and August 7, 2015
— Eindhoven, Netherlands: 39.3°C (102.7°F); old record 38.6°C in Warnsveld on August 23, 1944
"A frail old man, unable to remember things, stumbling, refusing to answer basic questions," Moore tweeted, apparently in reference to Mueller.
"I said it in 2017 and Mueller confirmed it today -- All you pundits and moderates and lame Dems who told the public to put their faith in the esteemed Robert Mueller -- just STFU from now on."
Mike Moore
Lol@The Socialist Democrats
Porto Rico Governor Resigns.
Where are the $$$Billions of stolen dollars?
would expect to see those articles of impeachment served up today, no?
BWAAAAAAA!!! Not with sooooo many in the country being dumb fucks like you who think trump is God!!!!!! Asshole...
So Denny you are conceding public support for impeachment is not there.
This is what victory looks like for trump suckers like rat the fuck....
r the course of more than five hours of quiet, rather than dramatic testimony on Capitol Hill, Mr Mueller defended the work of team of investigators and the report that was made public in April.
It is not clear whether the appearance of Mr Mueller will benefit the cause of those pushing for Mr Trump’s impeachment. Indeed, Nancy Pelosi said afterwards, there was no immediate plans to open proceedings.
Some Democrats were said to have been disappointed the 74-year-old who once headed the FBI, had not provided more of a blockbuster, or provided a fresh bombshell.
At the same time, Mr Mueller’s public words were significant in a number of ways. There are five of the most important things:
Possible obstruction of justice
Mr Mueller said Trump tried to have him fired, asked the White House counsel to lie about it, and ordered aide Corey Lewandowski to limit the scope of his investigation. In his response to questions from Ted Lieu and later Adam Schiff, Mr Mueller may have not gone materially beyond what was in his report, but hearing him state this in person was a powerful moment.
No exoneration:
The president repeatedly claims Mr Mueller’s report cleared him of both collusion with Russia and obstruction of justice. But the special counsel again denied this. Asked whether the report exonerated Mr Trump on the question of obstruction of justice, Mr Mueller said: “That is not what the report said. The president was not exculpated for the acts that he allegedly committed.”
President’s written answers were ‘generally’ untruthful
Mr Mueller made clear he would have preferred a sit down interview with the president rather than a written Q&A, but that he had to agree to that given the amount of time if would have taken to go through the courts to force a face-to-face. Mr Mueller said he had sent several follow up questions but received no response.
Asked by congresswoman Val Demmings, if Mr Trump’s written answers to questions were inadequate, incomplete and untruthful, Mr Mueller said: “Generally.”
Russian interference still continuing
Mr Mueller said the Trump campaign was aware of Russia’s efforts to help him in 2016. He denied the investigation was a “witch hunt”, and that it had found the Russian government “interfered in our election in sweeping and systematic fashion”.
He said Russia’s efforts in 2016 were not a “single attempt”. He said: “They’re doing it as we sit here.”
Mueller refused to be mouthpiece for Democrats’ pushing for Trump impeachment
Congresswoman Veronica Escobar asked Mr Mueller about a mention in his report about “constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct”, something those in favour of Mr Trump’s impeachment took as call to arms. Mr Mueller refused to answer when asked specifically whether one of those “processes” was impeachment.
Yep....complete exoneration and lies being the message of trump and his minions.....rat the fuck gulps and swallows and takes a victory lap at the expense of our freedom and system !!!!!! Asshole
So Denny you are conceding public support for impeachment is not there.
It's the senate asshole.....who gives a fuck what the public thinks the crimes stand by themselves as evidenced by Mueller saying he can be indicted after he leaves office......asshole... Can't fix stupid as deep seated as you..... You and your kind do not think his criminal conduct are worth pursuing or doing anything about russian interference which you embraced!!!!!
Denny - Mueller stated that a sitting President can be indicted once they leave office. That is not a novel idea or something that needed an explanation from Mueller. Mueller has no say in whether Trump would ever be indicted. Not that it would matter, because it's not going to happen regardless of who has their say.
Blogger KD said...
"A frail old man, unable to remember things, stumbling, refusing to answer basic questions,"
gee, that sounds exactly like the alky whenever he's pressed to support his own opinions around here.
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Blogger KD said...
"A frail old man, unable to remember things, stumbling, refusing to answer basic questions,"
Just like you goat fucker.....the optics you describe point out that he was following instructions from his boss and stayed within the bounds of the report....only dumb goat fuckers and asshole rat idiots who follow the leader see that as a flaw.....Just like Lil Scotty admits that a criminal is now serving in the white house who he embraces by sucking his cock.....BWAAAAAAA!!!!!
Funny LiL Scotty....you still adhere to the fact that trumps claim of complete exoneration is true.....And russia did nothing to help trump and those lies his minions stated about meddling were inconsequential and not important....Why are you so blind to the facts????
Mueller has no say in whether Trump would ever be indicted.
mueller never did have any say. that's the most disingenuous part of the argument coming from the democrats and their media stenographers.
mueller's job was to conduct a probe and to gather data and evidence. then, based upon that evidence, he was supposed to turn his findings over to the DOJ. and based upon the review of mueller's findings and the compilation of alleged crimes committed, it was then to be determined what to do next.
the fact remains that mueller found nothing to implicate the president. nor did he find anything that exonerates him. that's always been the point. mueller gathered the findings into a report and said here, do with it what you will.
Not that it would matter, because it's not going to happen regardless of who has their say.
if there was ever a golden opportunity to indict a president after leaving office it was clinton. he DID obstruct justice. and no one had the nerve to indict him. in trumps case he MAY still get indicted after leaving office. but he beats the charges without breaking a sweat.
orange man bad is still not an actual crime.
you still adhere to the fact that trumps claim of complete exoneration is true...
well dumb fuck, trump's claim is in fact his opinion, which he's entitled to. and it happens to be based upon the results of the report.
so trump's a fan of wikileaks. not a crime.
so trump's campaign took a meeting with someone falsely purporting to have oppo research on the feckless cunt. not a crime.
and mueller chooses to go after manafort for bullshit reasons and cohen for taxi medallion fraud. not a trump crime in either case.mueller's performance yesterday perfectly encapsulated this entire farce. he came across as weak, fumbling and confused. just like his findings - weak, fumbling and confused. the democrats coup was completely reliant upon hillary winning an election that was rigged for her. and their plan B was to have an investigation that was totally rigged.
so ultimately i'm actually thankful that this is going the way it is.
this shitshow...
...keeps the house dems distracted and renders them incapable of legislating...
...is working like a charm to ensure trump's re-election...
...and works to help the GOP take back the house.
and the feckless cunts of the jihad squad are just the cherry on top.
you still adhere to the fact that trumps claim of complete exoneration is true.
Exoneration is not even a real thing.
What is a real thing is the assumption of innocence and the fact that you need to prove to a jury (unanimously) beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is actually guilty of a crime.
There is no legal precedent for obstruction by tweet, obstruction by tantrum, obstruction by controlling media spin, or obstruction for arguing your own innocence. There is no legal precedent for obstruction by firing a subordinate (who may end up in jail), holding opinions about a prosecutor, or ordering counsel to explore whether Mueller had a conflict (which he clearly did in retrospect).
So yeah, you go right in there with the whole guilty until proven innoncent "we can convict someone unless they are exonerated" and see where that gets you in a "real" court of law.
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