Wednesday, September 25, 2019

Why the whistle blower complaint is not really a whistle blower complaint.

Well this is actually quite simple and quite impossible to argue:
The complaint does not arise in connection with the operation of any U.S. government intelligence activity, and the alleged misconduct does not involve any member of the intelligence community. Rather, the complaint arises out of a confidential diplomatic communication between the President and a foreign leader that the intelligence-community complainant received secondhand.
So, sure... it makes sense that a whistle blowing complaint is derived from within the organization that you work for. That is what makes it a whistle blowing complaint. You are complaining about something within your own company or organization. You are also complaining about something that you have first hand knowledge of and can prove. 
The alleged misconduct is not an “urgent concern” within the meaning of the statute because it does not concern “the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity” under the authority of the DNI. Id. § 3033(k)(5)(G)(i). That phrase includes matters relating to intelligence activities subject to the DNI’s supervision, but it does not include allegations of wrongdoing arising outside of any intelligence activity or outside the intelligence community itself.
In other words, you are not a whistle blower if you are complaining about something that happened outside of your organization. Then you are simply a complainer (especially if you have no real proof). In the case of reporting something that you believe might be a crime, well the idea then (as most school children would understand) is to go the authorities.
Accordingly, should the DNI or the ICIG receive a credible complaint of alleged criminal conduct that does not involve an “urgent concern,” the appropriate action is to refer the matter to the Department of Justice, rather than to report to the intelligence committees under section 3033(k)(5).
So, there was never any solid legal grounds for the IG to even report the matter as an urgent concern or go to the DNI with a complaint under the pretense that if involved  the statute 3033. The IG is either incompetent, partisan, or was rolling over due to some political pressure from the rest of the partisans in the intelligence community.

The problem is that everyone with an IQ over room temperature understands that what the President did would not be seen by the Department of Justice as anything close to criminal. There isn't a criminal case to be made without a vivid imagination and a huge suspension of disbelief. 

51 comments:

James said...

Schiff Says Trump Acted Like a Mafia Boss

House Intelligence committee Chair Adam Schiff said President Trump’s conversation with Ukraine’s President was like a “classic mafia-like shakedown” and “far more damning than I and others had imagined,” BuzzFeed News reports.

James said...


House Chairmen Threaten Subpoenas

“The chairmen of four of the U.S. House of Representatives committees involved in the impeachment investigation of President Trump called a summary of his call with Ukraine’s president ‘an unambiguous, damning, and shocking abuse’ of office on Wednesday,” Reuters reports.

“The four committee leaders, all Democrats, repeated that Congress needs full, unredacted access to the whistleblower complaint that fueled calls for the impeachment inquiry and threatened to subpoena the State Department and White House if they do not turn over related records for a Thursday deadline.”

James said...


White House Sent Talking Points to Democrats

“In the hours after the release Wednesday of the rough transcript of President Trump’s July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the White House circulated an email with proposed talking points for Trump’s defenders,” the Washington Post reports.

“Unfortunately for the White House, the email was mistakenly sent to not only Republicans but also Democratic lawmakers and their staff.”

James said...


Trump Was Vulnerable to Foreign Spies

“President Trump potentially exposed himself to ‘serious national security and counter-intelligence risks’ when he pressed his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate a leading political rival, Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Biden, and his son, the intelligence community’s inspector general warned,” Reuters reports.

“The previously undisclosed warning, included in a Justice Department legal opinion released on Wednesday, reflected the concerns of a whistleblower who filed a complaint about a July 25 call between Trump and then newly elected Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy.”

James said...


Trump’s Intelligence Director Threatened to Resign

“The acting Director of National Intelligence threatened to resign over concerns that the White House might attempt to force him to stonewall Congress when he testifies Thursday about an explosive whistleblower complaint about the president,” the Washington Post reports.

“The revelation reflects the extraordinary tensions between the White House and the nation’s highest-ranking intelligence official over a matter that has triggered impeachment proceedings against President Trump.”

“The officials said that Joseph Maguire, who was thrust into the top intelligence post last month, warned the White House that he was not willing to withhold information from Congress.”

James said...

Extra Bonus Quote of the Day

“I can tell you this, one Republican senator told me if it was a secret vote, 30 Republican senators would vote to impeach Trump.”
— GOP strategist Mike Murphy, on MSNBC.
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Sasse Says Foreign Involvement In Elections Is ‘Very Bad’

Asked if a U.S. president asking a foreign government to investigate the family of his American political rival is an abuse of power, Sen. Ben Sasse (R-NE) told the National Review: “In general terms, American elections should be for Americans. And the idea that we would have foreign nation-states coming into the American electoral process, or the information surrounding an election, is really, really bad.”

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Pelosi Wants to Keep Narrow Focus on Impeachment

“Speaker Nancy Pelosi urged fellow Democratic leaders in a private meeting Wednesday to keep the impeachment investigation narrowly focused on President Trump and his dealings with the president of Ukraine,” the Washington Post reports.

“Pelosi told colleagues that keeping the inquiry narrowly focused on the Ukraine allegations could help keep the investigation out of the courts, where a slew of investigative matters have been bogged down for months — though she did not rule out ultimately including other episodes in a potential impeachment package.”

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Booker Says Trump Enablers Will Go Down as ‘Despicable’

Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) told MSNBC that Republican enablers of President Trump “will go down in history as despicable actors” who are “doing some of the worst things” in the history of the country.

Said Booker: “The truth about Donald Trump will come out. I have a very low regard for people who know he’s doing wrong but defend him and empower him to remain in that office.”

Anonymous said...

This has been a wickedly cool day, every Socialist found a land mine and hit the triggering devise with a hammer.

Commonsense said...

Anybody notice that James' spamming is in direct proportion to how badly his narrative falls apart?

C.H. Truth said...

Well James certainly takes a lot of stock in a lot of fake anonymous sources talking about fake unnamed people who say things to other fake anonymous people who tell the media without actually corroborating anything.

C.H. Truth said...

“Speaker Nancy Pelosi urged fellow Democratic leaders in a private meeting Wednesday to keep the impeachment investigation narrowly focused on President Trump and his dealings with the president of Ukraine,” the Washington Post reports.

What a moron. There is quite literally nothing in the phone call that will change anyone's mind on impeachment. They are still barking at the moon, and that is what well over 50% of the population will see.

American voters said...

I've wondered from the start why this was deemed an urgent concern. Clearly it is not.

Anonymous said...

what a bleeding c*nt.

"
Biden: Threat to Investigate My Son Is a ‘Personal Attack"

Commonsense said...

And just like that a 57% opposition to impeachment turns into a 57% landslide victory for Trump.

Yeah, I know it's not likely but let's just say it is more likely than it was a few days ago.

Anonymous said...

Trump Donation in last 24 hours $5 Million.

Thank You Nancy.

Anonymous said...




A former Defense Intelligence Agency officer who spied for China worked secretly as a Beijing agent for five years and revealed in an intercepted phone call he was motivated in part by hatred for President Trump.

Ron Rockwell Hansen, a DIA operations officer until 2006, was arrested June 5 and pleaded guilty on Friday in Utah to attempting to sell national defense secrets to China. He faces 15 years in prison under a plea deal. Sentencing is set for Sept. 24.

Court documents in the case reveal Hansen was motivated by both money and an affinity for China. In seeking to recruit a DIA coworker as a fellow Chinese spy, he voiced fears that Trump would start a war and said that was a reason to cooperate secretly with several Chinese intelligence agencies or branches in providing information and trying to penetrate U.S. defense and intelligence agencies to obtain secrets.

Hansen admitted in the plea agreement he met frequently with Chinese intelligence agents beginning in early 2014.

"During those meetings, the agents described to me the type of information that would interest Chinese

Intelligence," Hansen stated in the pleading. "During the course of my relationship with Chinese intelligence, I

received hundreds of thousands of dollars in compensation for information I provided them, including information I gathered at various industry conferences."


https://freebeacon.com/national-security/former-dia-officer-who-spied-for-china-hated-trump/


huh.

and just the other day the alky was telling us that the deep state was an illusion ,and the intel community are staunch patriots to their very core.

or something to that effect.



Anonymous said...




‘So wrong’: Kimberley Strassel’s transcript thread truth nukes Dems’ impeachment parade (and shows why the media’s ignoring the ‘real story’)

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/09/25/so-wrong-kimberley-strassels-transcript-thread-truth-nukes-dems-impeachment-parade-and-shows-why-the-medias-ignoring-the-real-story/

Anonymous said...




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OK, so we have Russiagate 1.0: Collusion, Russiagate 2.0: Obstruction, and Russiagate 3.0: Ukraine. 3.0 wouldn't be running if 1.0 and 2.0 hadn't spectacularly imploded. And media and other Dems wouldn't need to lie so blatantly about 3.0 if it were an actual problem for a Trump.

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Anonymous said...

Once again, Lil Scotty speaking for the majority out his old biased, naive white ass again with

What a moron. There is quite literally nothing in the phone call that will change anyone's mind on impeachment.

Really????? Seems a couple R senators are coming out of their coma...Oh well.....the R party.....the Party of collusion!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Joe Biden is going to release his conversations with Ukraine Officials.


Cool, can't wait to read the verbatim transcriptions.

Anonymous said...

the fact that the United States is now the world’s biggest oil producer didn’t happen “suddenly.” Instead, “that was me, people.” Yes, Mr. President
we know

Paul Sperry said...

@paulsperry_

“A Dept of Justice team led by US Attorney John Durham is separately exploring the extent to which a number of countries--including Ukraine--played a role in the counterintelligence investigation directed at the Trump campaign during the 2016 election,” DOJ spox Kerri Kupec said

democrats scurry

JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...

@WhiteHouse

The White House Retweeted The Washington Post
.@WashingtonPost got it wrong again.

From the statement by Acting DNI Joseph Maguire:
“At no time have I considered resigning my position since assuming this role on Aug. 16, 2019. I have never quit anything in my life, and I am not going to start now."


The lying, spamming, POS "pastor" caught once again

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

(CNN)The anonymous whistleblower who filed a complaint with the intelligence community inspector general, which includes allegations about President Donald Trump's conduct, has tentatively agreed to meet with congressional lawmakers, according to correspondence obtained by CNN.

The meeting will take place on the condition that acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire approves appropriate security clearances for the individual's legal counsel so that they can accompany their client, the correspondence showed.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam Schiff wrote a letter to Maguire making the request Wednesday after the whistleblower's lawyers agreed to meet with lawmakers if that condition is met and requested assistance in expediting approval from the acting DNI.


CNN reported Tuesday that the whistleblower's legal counsel "wrote to the Acting Director of National Intelligence to request specific guidance as to the appropriate security practices to permit a meeting, if needed, with the Members of the Intelligence Oversight Committees."

"This is a reasonable request that the Committee strongly supports and expects your office to fulfill immediately,"

thebradfordfile™ said...

@thebradfordfile

I wonder if Democrats will still be focused on impeachment during Trump’s second term.

Anonymous said...

lol, yep.

They haven't challenged him on Policy.

Anonymous said...

"The lying, spamming, POS "pastor" caught once again"

yep.

Jane is the faults witness

Anonymous said...

Adam Schiff knows who.the person is, cool.

what is that person's name?
Party Affiliation?

Anonymous said...

so this " hear say blower" is going to do what?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The White House staff sent Scott his talking points and then tried to get them back!

A White House official on Wednesday accidentally sent talking points for allies defending the president to Democratic officials, then tried to “recall” the memo.

In the email, the White House laid out guidance for how supporters should publicly discuss President Trump’s July phone call with Volodymyr Zelensky, the president of Ukraine. An allegation that Mr. Trump tried to use that conversation for political gain contributed to the decision by House Democrats to announce a formal impeachment inquiry on Tuesday.

But the White House list of concise points and counterpoints was also sent to the offices of Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic lawmakers.

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“They’re complete Orwellian lies and toxic trash, but maybe you’d like to read them to appreciate their corruption!” Representative Bill Pascrell Jr., Democrat of New Jersey, said on Twitter, alongside screenshots of the email.


Representative Brendan F. Boyle, Democrat of Pennsylvania, said that his office had also received the email. “I will not be using their spin and will instead stick with the truth,” he said on Twitter. “But thanks though.”

The email, sent by Tori Q. Symonds, a White House communications staff member, argued that there were “myths” being spread by Democrats about the phone call, which had “triggered a media frenzy of false accusations.”

It portrays the conversation between the two leaders as “entirely proper” and the handling of a related whistle-blower complaint about the call as being “absolutely by the book.” The email also made reference to the “Deep State,” a phrase that has fueled conspiracy theories of government bureaucrats working to undermine President Trump. Sharing such messaging guidance with allies is common among both parties in Washington.

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Shortly after the memo went out, a follow-up message from Ms. Symonds’s account stated that she would “like to recall” the previous email. Such messages are often sent by Microsoft Outlook when an individual who uses the program seeks to revoke an email from a recipient who is not an Outlook user.

The misfire came as the White House scrambled to coordinate responses to Democrats who the day before had announced a formal impeachment inquiry. Democratic Party leaders have accused the president of betraying his oath of office in seeking Mr. Zelensky’s help in targeting former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., a leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination.

On Wednesday, the White House released a reconstructed transcript of the call between the two men and invited a dozen or so top Republican lawmakers, including Representatives Kevin McCarthy, Steve Scalise and Liz Cheney, to review the document in advance and pose questions, officials familiar with the meeting said. At one point, Mr. Trump dialed into the meeting from the United Nations.

“The House Democrats have been careening from impeachment theory to impeachment theory, they’ve careened from target to target,” Ms. Cheney said on Wednesday. She accused Ms. Pelosi of “trying to weaken the president, trying to weaken his hand as he’s dealing with crucial issues of national security.”

cowardly king obama said...

So this is now actually the Democrat talking points (complete with advertisements) and Roger dutifully copies over.

The irony.

ROFLMFAO !!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The President's recent actions have been only to get himself reelected and by any means necessary, including asking for help from a foreign nation.

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Anonymous said...

What date and time has Speaker in Name Only Polosi set for a vote to actual.get the President?

Anonymous said...

China Caved on Trade orders Billions of US Grain.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

A former Watergate prosecutor said of Donald Trump, "What he's been saying in public is the kind of thing I used to prosecute people for doing in private."

The president has an odd habit of making things worse for himself.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The President's decision to release the transcript of his conversation has given the House of representatives proof of impeachable offenses. Many Republicans, including Mitt Romney have a lot of issues with the President.

Will the Senate convict him?


If Romney becomes the Barry Goldwater of this era, Trump may resign.

"At one point, Zelensky brings up the prospect of further lethal military aid from the U.S. to Ukraine. It’s at that point when Trump immediately replies:


“I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it.”

Those words will live in history.

cowardly king obama said...

I'd tell Roger to get help but that hasn't ever worked.

Boy is he going to go through another HUGE shock he apparently can't see coming.

TRUMP 2020

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The whistle-blower, moreover, identified multiple White House officials as witnesses to potential presidential misconduct who could corroborate the complaint.

If the house committee subpoenas other staff has to testify under oath, about what they heard.

Trump made a serious mistake by releasing the transcript. He thinks that he is a great genius but this looks like the smoking gun.
“I would like you to do us a favor".

cowardly king obama said...

Stefanik, R-N.Y., after reviewing the complaint tweeted: "I do not support impeachment of President Trump. I have just read the whistleblower complaint made available to House Intelligence Committee Members. I believe strongly in transparency and it should be immediately declassified and made public for the American people to read

You obviously don't know what a smoking gun looks like. Nor the deep state.

Don't worry, IG reports are coming and you and the American people will learn what they look like.

And this "whistleblower" is a last gasp of a nothingburger.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Your dreams are not going to come true.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Wall is stating to crumble.

Prominent GOP consultant Mike Murphy claimed on Wednesday that he was told by a Republican senator that the majority of Republican senators "would vote to impeach" President Donald Trump if they could do so anonymously.

"These Senate Republicans, should the Democrats vote impeachment, which is far more likely than not, are going to be pinned down to a yes/no answer," Murphy, who previously advised Republican politicians including Mitt Romney, John McCain and Jeb Bush, said in an interview with MSNBC.

"The politics of it will get worse and worse for Trump," the Republican political consultant, who has long been critical of Trump, said.


"One Republican senator told me if it was a secret vote, 30 Republican senators would vote to impeach Trump," he claimed, suggesting that the GOP lawmakers are concerned that voting against the president could harm them politically. The Senate is currently controlled by Republicans, with 53 GOP lawmakers serving in the legislative body.

On Tuesday, Murphy published an op-ed in The Washington Post, urging lawmakers to pursue Trump's impeachment following revelations that the president had pressured Ukraine to launch an investigation into the business dealings of Hunter Biden, the son of the president's political opponent, Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Biden.

Scott is never going to divorce him from Trump.

He's got a man crush.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

218

cowardly king obama said...

What is it, Trump has something like a 94% favorability rating with Republicans.

And you post something about 30 Republican senators would vote to impeach if it was secret.

You've posted this multiple times and it is utter BULLSHIT. Maybe Romney. Maybe someone else. But DOA. And some Dems would vote no.

SERIOUSLY, GET HELP

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

the number of House members supporting an impeachment inquiry reached 218, a critical milestone that indicates there is a majority in the House willing to at least consider drafting and voting on articles of impeachment.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Look in the mirror and see what a piece of shit you are!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Murphy, who previously advised Republican politicians including Mitt Romney, John McCain and Jeb Bush.

The Whistleblower is going to address the house committee tomorrow. Duck and cover up asshole.

Anonymous said...




noted "thought leader" of the congressional black caucus, Rep Al Green, boils this whole impeachment thing down to its essence:


REP. AL GREEN: I'm concerned that if we don't impeach this president, he will get re-elected.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/06/al_green_im_concerned_if_we_dont_impeach_this_president_he_will_get_re-elected.html



democrats can't beat trump, so they must impeach him.

Anonymous said...




Blogger Roger Amick said...

Your dreams are not going to come true.



alky,

your mastery of the art of psychological projection is quite impressive.

so far trump has shattered every one of your fucking dreams of destroying the man. and this whole ukraine/whistleblower thing will be no exception.


hey, i'm curious, since your shitbox caddy got repo'd, how are you getting around these days? since you're down on your luck if you want to crowdsource the $ for a bus pass i'd be inclined to chip in a couple bucks.

let me know.

Myballs said...

Murphy has been a never trumped from the start. He's trolling democrats to push the impeachment.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Another traitor has emerged from the Republican party. A real Republican!

Republican Sen. Ben Sasse of Nebraska, who is on the Senate Intelligence Committee and viewed the whistleblower complaint, said Wednesday that lawmakers in his party should not dismiss the "troubling" nature of the whistleblower complaint.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The whistleblower complaint is out.