Wednesday, October 2, 2019

Did IG ignore the language on first hand information?

Statement from Inspector General office regarding Whistle blower complaint

So here are the facts:
  • The form has always included the requirement for first hand information
  • The form filled out by the whistle blower also had this requirement
  • As of 2019, the requirement changed and is no longer being enforced

So, yes, the Office of the Inspector General is admitting that the form requires first hand information, but that they are no longer following the form in those regards. The logic behind this is that the (first hand information) requirement  should not be enforced, because the statute itself doesn't specifically require it. In other words, the OIG did (as argued) decide in 2019 to loosen their own internal standards for what constitutes a valid whistle blower complaint.



Now the statement from the OIG obviously defends the actions of the IG. The argument is that even though the complainant did not witness the call or see any of the transcripts of the call, that he/she did have what the IG determined to be some peripheral information that was considered "first hand". Apparently that was enough to allow the IG to determine that the complaint was credible and urgent.

Obviously the complaint itself has been released to the public, and obviously the criticism will continue to be that nothing in the actual complaint provides any of the "first hand" information as generally defined by reasonable people. Whatever "first hand" information must have been something relayed from the complainant to the IG outside of what is in the actual complaint (which obviously complicates this from a PR standpoint).

What we do know is that all of the silly arguments from the left about how this has never been a requirement, and that somehow the "right wing" media had been photo shopping or lying about this has once again blown up in their faces. The requirement has always existed as skeptics argued. The requirement was changed as skeptics argued, and the changes were so recent that the form used by the complainant actually still shows that requirement.

Moreover, it begs the question as to how the actual complainant would have been privy to the idea that his complaint did not have to follow the form? It sounds like much of this was an internal discussion within the Inspector Generals office, rather than something that would have been relayed to the intelligence community as a whole. The whole things still reeks of more anti-Trump "resistance".

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Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Giddy,,,????

It was pretty obvious that he's nervous, although he is a stable genius!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The stable genius today.

https://twitter.com/TPMLiveWire/status/1179474872667381767?s=09

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://twitter.com/TPMLiveWire/status/1179474872667381767?s=09

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Anonymous said...

President Trump lashed out at a reporter Wednesday during a joint press conference with Finnish President Sauli Niinistö when pressed on the conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that is the basis of an impeachment inquiry in the House of Representatives.

“What did you want President Zelensky to do about Vice President Biden and his son Hunter?” Reuters White House correspondent Jeff Mason asked Trump, after the president had asserted that “Biden and his son are stone-cold crooked.” Variations of that question had been repeatedly posed during the news conference. Trump never gave a direct reply.

“Are you talking to me?” Trump asked Mason. “We have the president of Finland. Ask him a question.”

“I have one for him,” Mason responded. “I just wanted to follow up on the one that I asked you.”

“Did you hear me?” the president expostulated, and demanded Mason ask Niinistö a question. “I’ve given you a long answer. Ask this gentleman a question, don’t be rude.”

Donald said...

President Trump lashed out at a reporter Wednesday during a joint press conference with Finnish President Sauli Niinistö when pressed on the conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that is the basis of an impeachment inquiry in the House of Representatives.

“What did you want President Zelensky to do about Vice President Biden and his son Hunter?” Reuters White House correspondent Jeff Mason asked Trump, after the president had asserted that “Biden and his son are stone-cold crooked.” Variations of that question had been repeatedly posed during the news conference. Trump never gave a direct reply.

“Are you talking to me?” Trump asked Mason. “We have the president of Finland. Ask him a question.”

“I have one for him,” Mason responded. “I just wanted to follow up on the one that I asked you.”

“Did you hear me?” the president expostulated, and demanded Mason ask Niinistö a question. “I’ve given you a long answer. Ask this gentleman a question, don’t be rude.”

Anonymous said...

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump's growing frustration with Democrats' amped up impeachment efforts was on stark public display Wednesday as he spent the day openly raging against the media and his political rivals.

In the stretch of a few hours, Trump called Democratic impeachment efforts "BULLSHIT," got into a verbal altercation with a reporter during a press conference, and delivered unfounded claims about his political rivals. His anger was visible — his face flushed at times, his voice raised, his gestures increasingly animated.


“Nancy Pelosi and shifty Schiff, who should resign in disgrace, and Jerry Nadler and all of them, it’s a disgrace what’s going on,” the president said at a White House event, the visiting Finnish president by his side. “They’ve been trying to impeach me from the day I got elected. I’ve been going through this for three years.”

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Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

CH has blocked me.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...
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Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

WELL we've given Ch plenty of time to answer this, which he STILL has not done. It's a VERY simple request that he back up his claim with evidence. Should be quite easy to do, for anyone who wasn't simply lying to begin with.
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ChUNtruth said:
"...the Whistle blower's description of events does not match the description of the call by other members who were there (Pompeo, Zelensky) or the transcript of the call."

JAMES SAYS:
Okay, so YOU say it does not match. I say it does. OTHERS say it does. The FIRST EXAMINERS found it "credible."

But Ch says it does not match, so he should be able to demonstrate for us just how it does not match by putting texts of the two side by side, or one after the other, to show that the whistleblower's statement really does not match the transcript of the call.

Simple enough.

Yes, that should be quite easy enough.

So why is it taking so much time?

Is it because Ch simply cannot do it?

Nor can Commensa?

Nor can Rat?

Nor can cowardly Cowardly?

Nor can Kansas Democrat?

SUPER FAIL. Pack of liars, all of you. Just like Trump, whose lie you repeated without even taking the time to examine it.

Not very smart. HUGELY dumb.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Only a narcissist could:

- Torture the office of the President
- Torture the Constitution
- Torture the Congress and the Juduciary
- Torture the Press
- Torture the law
- Torture intelligence and law enforcement
- Torture the majority of Americans who voted against him
- Torture the vulnerable and the powerless
- Torture the country
- Torture our international reputation
- Torture our national institutions, and
- Torture our democracy,

Then, when he is finally caught red-handed breaking the law, and is held accountable, cry like a baby about what a victim he is.

It’s a sad spectacle if he were not still so dangerous . . . .

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