Taylor testified that Trump told Sondland himself in a September 7 phone call that Zelensky must “go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference, and that President Zelensky should want to do this himself.”
The contents of this conversation were given to Taylor by the White House official in charge of Europe, Tim Morrison.
Oh, so he didn't actually "hear" the President say this?
He got this information from a third party who claims he heard this?
Moreover....
Taylor contradicted earlier testimony from Gordon Sondland, Trump’s ambassador to the European Union, a key player in the effort to draw Ukraine into the election-related investigations. Sondland told House investigators last week that he recalls “no discussions” with anyone at the State Department or White House about investigating former vice president and 2020 president candidate Joe Biden or his son, Hunter..
Technically Sondland's first hand account contradicts Taylor's hearsay testimony, not the other way around. But it's funny how the media portrays the hearsay account (which wouldn't even be admissible in a normal hearing) as more valid than the first hand accounts.
But let's get to the real "heart of the matter". The FACT REMAINS that the aid was not withheld and Zelensky never publicly stated he was opening an investigation into anything. So what you have is a third hand account of quid pro quo that is denied by everyone involved and NEVER ACTUALLY HAPPENED!
In fact, just pretend for a moment that such a conversation took place. It would still be completely irrelevant if the so called threat in question was never actually initiated. The whole idea of quid pro quo is that you actually get something in return for what you are offering.
Ukraine got the military aid + No public declaration of anything = No quid pro quo!
So one way or the other. The story is either 95% false or 100% false. Take your pick!
More to the point, there is still absolutely nothing illegal about quid pro quo in general. Every President has done it. Every world leader has done it. Every future President and future world leader will do it. Apparently the only person who isn't supposed to do it... is the bad orange man!
So is the big one that will change the narrative? Doubtful:
Republicans accused Democrats of exaggerating.
“I don’t know that any of us, if we are being intellectually honest, are hearing revelations that we were not aware of,” said Representative Mark Meadows, Republican of North Carolina. “The bottom line is no one has yet to make the case for why the aid was withheld or even if the Ukrainians knew about it.”
The reality is that Republicans will continue to stick to their guns on this one, no matter how many double and triple hearsay witnesses make claims, or no matter how many unproven anonymous statements are made. The reason is that ultimately the facts remain on their side. The Aid was provided and Zelensky did not provide anything in return. You can spin the rest of it till you are dizzy and nauseated, but those simple facts will just not go away!
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Requesting the information is an impeachable offense
I read the whole thing and you are not telling the truth.
The Republicans are trying to spin it.
The President requested assistance from the President of Ukraine.
Whether or not they provided dirt does matter.
Mark Meadows!!!!!!!!
You have lost your mind Scott asshole
Taylor made it clear that Trump, Ambassador to the EU Gordon Sondland, and others explicitly tied the withholding of $400 million of U.S. military aid to Ukraine to a demand that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky publicly go to a microphone and say he is opening investigations of Biden and 2016 election interference.
They actually endangered Ukraine by withholding the money and weapons.
Roger is a bit possessed.
You have far surpassed anything All of us said about Obimbo in his 8 years. you are due credit, you have done it in under 3 years.
You do realize Your President has been Your President less then 3 years.
Taylor is said to have kept extensive notes on his interactions with Trump's team as the scheme unfolded, notes that clearly demonstrate both that Trump withheld military aid as a means of securing a Biden "investigation" and that Trump subordinates conveyed those demands to Ukrainian officials. Taylor also emphasized that the withholding of aid had happened even though Ukraine was "fighting the Russians and counted on not only the training and weapons, but also the assurance of U.S. support."
Great Fun.
Lynching President Trump at Democrat Antifa Rallies.
President Prosperity Winning.
"Job Creators Network CEO Alfredo Ortiz on Tuesday touted the economy under President Donald Trump as “incredible” for Latinos in the United States.
Ortiz noted on “Fox & Friends First” how “entrepreneurial” Latinos tend to be, saying Trump’s tax cuts and the decrease in regulations have made for Latino-owned businesses “booming” in the Trump economy, leading to better wages and employment for Hispanics."
The next election will not be decided by the economy.
When these former, generals, admirals , some are also diplomats, and have had leadership positions in our intelligence groups , it’s really devastating to Trump; because they have credibility and Trumps has none.
In the twisted case of the formerly esteemed host, he believes that the former, generals, admirals , some are also diplomats, are part of a coup, or deep state conspiracy team, to destroy the Orange monster.
This is a little bit complicated, so I don't think that the polls are going move much further towards impeachment and conviction, but one or two percent more will show up next weekend.
Nobody is suggesting the lynching of the President.
Kput'z would love to see Obama lynched!
If you think Schiff has even a remote sliver of credibility you are beyond any sense of reality.
And your obsession and ravings as shown in the previous thread would lead any impartial observer to declare you insane.
But carry on. You are all in.
Remember, he was a career diplomat. West Point, a Vietnam veteran. Appointed by President George W Bush.
The difference between career personnel and appointed personnel in the State Department and other US governmental departments is that the career personnel take detailed and accurate notes, whereas appointed personnel rarely take any notes and they lie about what happened. Gordon Sondland was appointed because he was a major contributor, not because of his expertise.
Schiff was not the person who testified under oath today.
You are terminally insane.
William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Ukraine, implicated President Trump personally in an effort to withhold security aid until Ukraine’s leader agreed to investigate the president’s political rivals.
You are dizzy and nauseated because quid Pro quo is a high crime, if the house declares it is a high crime or misdemeanor.
You seem to have forgotten that the house can declare it is a high crime or misdemeanor. If they pass the resolution, the Senate will conduct the trial.
Roger...
One fucking question:
Did Zelensky actually publicly call for investigations in exchange for the military aid as Taylor suggested the deal was?
The answer is....
No!
Which proves that this Taylor either was given bullshit information or he is just flat out lying.
William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Ukraine, laid out in visceral terms the stakes of what he saw as an illegitimate scheme to pressure the Kiev government for political help by suspending American security aid.
In by far the most damning account yet to become public in the House impeachment inquiry Mr. Taylor described a president holding up $391 million in aid for the clear purpose of forcing Ukraine to help incriminate Mr. Trump’s domestic rivals. Mr. Trump’s actions, he testified, undercut American allies desperately fighting to stave off Russian aggression.
Without the money that Mr. Trump held up, Mr. Taylor said, Ukraine would find it harder to defend itself in the face of Moscow’s attempt to redraw the boundaries of Europe through force of arms.
😟😟😟😟😟Get help
But the house isn't declaring anything. Schiff is doing it unilaterally in a locked room out of sight. That's not how this is supposed to work.
This story is following a tediously familiar pattern with all Trump accusations.
Day 1 Lots of hysteria and speculation. "this is the smoking gun".
Day 2 Information surfaces indicate the true story is nowhere near what was original stated.
Day 3 to 5 The story fades into the background never to be mention again.
I suspect this is why the Democrats are slow walking impeachment. They are using the secret star chamber investigation to put out these manufacture stories to political damage the president.
It's too bad we don't have a real media to call the Democrats out. A Republican house would never get away with these antics.
The only thing I got from ambassador Tayler's testimony was that he was upset with the unorthodox diplomacy occurring in the Ukraine. Specifically the cutting out of the state department in general and him personally.
But that's what happens when the previous (Obama appointed) ambassador to the Ukraine refused to execute administration policy and instead of resigning, active work to undermine the president. Trump appointed people he can trust to execute his policies.
That is not an impeachable offense.
Look up the definition of lynching. It speaks to due process. Not race.
Really sad is that the only defense any R now offers is that he is an unelected biased official and process is biased!!!!! Dayum....where is Pompeo....the guy who brought taylor out of retirement to serve his country again!!!!! I guess you could say Pompeo is the problem since he brought the obvious partisan hack back to work, who spent 50 years of his life saving both sides!!!! What is truly amazing his how far Lil Scotty now goes to disparage the testimony of Tayler that he did not hear trump say it himself!!!!! All the circumstantial evidence points to trump.....and the way he tried to run the WH like his own company.....very telling none of you assholes can see how runs the show......funny.....he can't keep up anymore as too many are all providing the same story over and over again...!!!!
Another big OOPS that will bite trump in his big fat white ass!!!!
By
Matt Zapotosky,
Rosalind S. Helderman,
Tom Hamburger and
Josh Dawsey
Oct. 22, 2019 at 8:22 p.m. EDT
When two business associates of Rudolph W. Giuliani, President Trump’s personal lawyer, were arrested this month on charges that they funneled foreign money into U.S. elections, federal prosecutors working on a different case in Chicago took note.
The investigators had previously come across the two men, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, as they pursued a long-standing case against a Ukrainian gas tycoon accused of bribery, according to two people familiar with the matter. They, like others interviewed regarding the case, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing litigation.
The Chicago prosecutors reached out to their counterparts in New York, where the foreign money charges had been brought, to offer assistance, the people said.
Parnas had been working as an interpreter for the lawyers of the tycoon, Dmytro Firtash, since late July. Chicago prosecutors suspect there might be a broader relationship among Firtash, Parnas and Fruman, the people familiar with the matter said.
Really sad is that the only defense any R now offers is that he is an unelected biased official and process is biased!!!!!
When the process is a secret star chamber process, it matter quite a lot to the 6% of Americans who actually care about impeachment.
Testimony undercuts Trump’s claim of no quid pro quo. How will Washington respond?
It is no longer a question of whether this happened. It is now a question of how the president explains it and how lawmakers choose to respond to it.
By Dan Balz
And Lil Scoty will wishfully point out that Taylor has no direct knowledge!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! What you smoking there Lil Scotty....must be some good shit!!!! LOLOLOL All roads lead to trumps fat old white ass......PERIOD!!!!!
When the process is a secret star chamber process,
So you think all grand juries should be out in the open cramps?????? BWAAAAAAA!!!!! Dayum lets just get rid of the entire judicial branch!!!!!! Its rather amusing that almost half the country thinks trump should be removed from office and growing!!!!
Cramps alleged source about 6%!!!! Most amusing cramps on how you are such a disingenuous piece of shit!!!
Poll: Only 6% of Iowa Voters Say Impeachment Is Most ...
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Poll: Only 6% of Iowa Voters Say Impeachment Is Most Important Issue ... Among independents, 27 percent said the economy was the most important issue and 24 percent said health care. In other words — impeachment is not within the top issues that Iowa voters care about. The Iowa poll also found a plurality of voters — 48 percent — oppose ...
BWAAAAAAAAA!!! Another fake post by the idiot of florida!!!!!!
I wasn't the only one who notice.
The State Department’s been fighting presidents since long before Trump/
Predictably, the foreign-policy establishment disagrees. William Burns, who capped his career as deputy secretary of State under President Barack Obama, argues that State Department careerists should be in charge, not the president and his appointees.
But these career diplomats favor globalism, open borders and huge American handouts to multinational organizations and Third World nations. The public elected Trump to implement the opposite. Trump must wrest control to achieve that.
Fifty years ago, Henry Kissinger understood that the diplomatic bureaucracy was biased against President Richard Nixon’s foreign-policy goals. As national-security adviser, Kissinger pulled control of diplomacy into the White House, inciting resentment and pushback from the State Department.
On Monday evening, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi issued a “fact sheet” about Trump’s alleged impeachable offense. It provides no damning evidence, just speculation.
On Tuesday, Taylor told the hearing that another diplomat, Gordon Sondland, had informed him Trump demanded a price for military aid to Kiev. But Sondland denies that, insisting the president made it clear there was no quid pro quo.
Too bad for the impeachment-hungry Dems and their sympathetic allies at Foggy Bottom. Disagreeing with the foreign-policy elites is not an impeachable offense. In fact, millions of Americans are cheering Trump on.
This is what will be trumps albatross that he has no control over and weighs heavily in his barely winning in the mid west....
"Economic growth, and therefore job creation, are showing clear signs of slowing," said Cailin Birch, a global economist at the Economist Intelligence Unit. "The core issue behind this is trade policy uncertainty, and the negative impact this has already had on some key export markets for US firms, including the EU and China."
The effects of tariffs levied between the US and major trading partners have grown increasingly evident in recent weeks, fueling broader concerns about the economy.
On Tuesday, data showed that the manufacturing sector fell deeper into a recession in September as new orders and hiring cooled further. American factories lost 2,000 jobs last month, the BLS report said.
News Flash.....Cramps found that BETSY MCCAUGHEY of the NY Post has a similar fucked up opinion as he does.....Now how quaint is that!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Why does trump constantly lie and toss his allies under the bus???? Even Mitch is being lied about and still sticks with the liar in chief!!!!
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said he doesn’t recall any conversations with President Donald Trump about the Ukraine phone call ― contrary to the president’s claim that McConnell had said the call was completely “innocent.”
“The president has said that you told him that his phone call with Ukrainian president was ‘perfect’ and ‘innocent,’” a reporter said to McConnell during a Capitol Hill press briefing Tuesday. “Do you believe that the president has handled this Ukrainian situation perfectly?”
“We’ve not had any conversations on that subject,” McConnell responded. When asked if that indicated the president was lying about that claim, McConnell said “you’ll have to ask him. I don’t recall any conversations with the president about that phone call.”
While speaking to reporters on the South Lawn on Oct. 3, Trump said that he and McConnell had spoken directly about the phone call, according to the official White House transcript of Trump’s remarks.
“He put out a statement that said that was the most innocent phone call he’s read. And I spoke to him about it, too,” the president said.
“He said, ‘That was the most innocent phone call that I’ve read.’ I mean, give me a break. Anybody that reads it says the same thing,” Trump added.
Roger, You posted it many times. That the Trump Prosperity Economy is so good it will not be an issue Socialist Democrats dare run against.
Ok, we agree.
cdd
That the Trump Prosperity Economy is so good it will not be an issue Socialist Democrats dare run against.
The economy that manufacturing is crashing in??? That affects the Mid West states that trump won by a cunt hair???? That economy you dumb fuck???? Maybe the coal sector will save him.....Oh....major coal producer Peabody Energy is on the edge of bankruptcy!!! OOPS
@Rockprincess818
There isn’t a single witness Dems can bring forward to counter what’s in the call transcript. The WB had second hand info that fell apart as soon as the transcript was released. If they had the goods on Trump there is no way any of these people would be testifying in secret.
Kevin McCarthy: "John Ratcliffe destroyed William Taylor's testimony in 90 second
Dopey graduates from the Roger school of economics. He pretends people are out of work while the 3.5% unemployment rate is lowest in 50 years and minority unemployment is lowest in history. Even minority business ownership is thriving. Not to mention wages rising, especially working class wages.
We don't call him dopey for nothing.
"John Ratcliffe destroyed William Taylor's testimony in 90 second
BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!!! I guess why all the polls keep moving towards remove from office.....right sport????? Trumps own words are doing him in..... as is the lying !!!! Even Mitch was thrown under the bus by trump with a tweet claiming Mitch and trump talked.....This is getting into desperation territory when your defense is John who the fuck cares Ratcliff!!! Saying that the Ukrainians were not aware of why the funding was being with held is complete reaching for straws!!!!! LOLOLOLOL
Polls on if Trump should be impeached *and* removed, (change in net points pre-inquiry):
Fox News: 51-40 (+14)
Qunnipiac: 45-49 (+16)
Morning Consult: 50-43 (+20)
HarrisX: 50-38 (+16)
WaPo: 49-38 (+33)
Gallup 52-46 (+15)
CNN: 50-43 (+20)
@CarpeDonktum
Why are all the people who have been caught wearing blackface so upset about the word lynching?
The Republican strategy is to attract the people who testify under oath, that provide negative information about the President.
They won't deny quid Pro quo, but just call into question the integrity of the witnesses.
Scott A**hole stood up and saluted his President yesterday afternoon.
s. He pretends people are out of work while the 3.5% u
And I call you a dumb fuck because you just make up shit that proves nothing.....No body is questioning the rate except you. The mfg numbers are beyond your ability to comprehend that trumps promise of great mfg jobs is as full of shit as you are!!!!! BWAAAAAAA!!! You lose again asshole!!! BTW, mfg loses are all in those states that trump won by a red cunt hair!!!!
@realDonaldTrump
Big success on the Turkey/Syria Border. Safe Zone created! Ceasefire has held and combat missions have ended. Kurds are safe and have worked very nicely with us. Captured ISIS prisoners secured. I will be making a statement at 11:00 A.M. from the White House. Thank you!
another FANTASTIC MORNING !!!
Roger, did you release CHT private Data or is that just u being a coward.
The agreement by Russia President Vladimir Putin and Turkey's Erdogan will transform the region.
Make Russia Great Again
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