Monday, November 25, 2019

Upcoming Horowitz Report.

So there have been several leaks and reports about the upcoming Horowitz report. One one hand, there is plenty of speculation that the report will show serious problems with how the entire Russian probe was handled. This speculation is enhanced by the reality that Barr assigned a criminal prosecutor (Durham) to deal with some of the reported issues, as well as the known reality that it was officially designated to be a criminal probe.



On the other hand, we have had many recent reports (or at least one report repeated many times) that suggests that Horowitz will find some mishandling of things at the rank and file level, but that he will fail to find either any issues with the leadership or with any sort of actual bias coming from those in charge. This would be basically the same exact manner in which the internal investigation of the IRS went down. Sure, there was bias and problems, but it took place at a very low level, and we got rid of the bad apples. Nothing to see at the top.

There is a part of me that finds it difficult to believe that the IG would hand in a 500 page report, the DOJ would assign a new prosecutor to work with the IG,  that they would change the probe to be criminal by definition, all for the sake of prosecuting one low level employee who changed an email. That seems to be better than the best case scenario that most people would logically conclude from what we know for fact. Especially since we already know that the IG has recommended other criminal charges (that had not been pursued by the previous prosecutor assigned).

On the flip side, there is a ton of historical evidence that suggests these sorts of internal investigations never actually get past a couple of low level fall people who end up being charged, while those in charge and in real leadership positions are given a pass. It wouldn't be inconsistent for Durham to charge one or two people that nobody has heard of, while the IG report will basically say things may have skirted some policies, didn't necessarily use best practices, but that no "criminal acts" were committed by those at the top.

I think it's also important to note that the investigation into Russian interference is completely separate from the investigation into any Trump coordination. It's entirely possible that the IG concludes that the FBI was entirely justified in how they handled the Russian probe, while simultaneously seeing problems with the portion of that probe that dealt with Trump and his campaign. One of the liberal gas-lighting ploys is to attempt to join the two into one probe, where proof of the former somehow justifies a lack of prove of the latter. So we should be careful to view any "reports" that focus on the Russian interference portion of the conclusions as potentially being misleading.

If you put a gun to my head, I would offer that anyone hoping to see Comey, McCabe, Strzok, or Page going to jail will be disappointed. But anyone who is believing that Horowitz spent all this time and wrote a 500 page report to say that there was nothing wrong (other than a single low level employee changing some documents) is engaging in wishful thinking.

5 comments:

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Your opinions are always in the last paragraph.

But anyone who is believing that Horowitz spent all this time and wrote a 500 page report to say that there was nothing wrong (other than a single low level employee changing some documents) is engaging in wishful thinking.

Well Scott, I think you whistling in wind. Your core beliefs are based upon the assumption of criminally at the highest levels of the government we trying to overturn the last election, or at least making him look like an illegitimate President.

The upcoming Horowitz report was initiated by Bill Barr. The highest level lawyer in the Department of Justice.

If it shows that only one or two people who actually were fired by Mueller, who may be indicted, your entire belief in a deep state conspiracy will be seen as illegitimate and irrational.

You have just wandered through this month, especially when people with first hand knowledge of a quid Pro quo. And all you have lest is the
Horowitz report is not legitimate because it proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the President has not been a victim of a coup or a deep state conspiracy.

All you have lest is engaging in wishful thinking.

Commonsense said...

It will be released and we shall see.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger...

I am not sure what you consider to be a "deep state", but for those of us who have suggested that one exists... it's pretty simple. We have career government employees who have decided that the major directions and decisions of the country are better made by them than by those elected to make them.

That is no longer a "theory" but rather a reality. The majority of the State employees Democrats paraded up to the witness stand were indicative of exactly that. They knew better than the President, and were "fired" "ignored" "demoted" or "taken out of the loop" because of "politics".

Well guess what, "Politics" is exactly what determines how our foreign policy is run. The "politician elected" gets to make that call and put people in place that will go along with those "politics".

The only difference of opinion today is whether or not the idea of a "deep state" is good or bad. Just because you now believe that Trump had no business firing someone who wasn't following his lead, or that the NSA had no business hiding sensitive information from people who wanted to leak it... doesn't change the fact that you are now defending and justifying the very concept of a "deep state" that you have pretended for years didn't exist.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

We have career government employees who have decided that the major directions and decisions of the country are better made by them than by those elected to make them.


They either follow orders from the President, or resign. And in some cases they were fired. You are dodging the information provided that they provided first hand information on the actions of the President, was a quid Pro quo.

Anonymous said...



You are dodging the information provided that they provided first hand information on the actions of the President, was a quid Pro quo.

really?

so where is that "provided first hand info that was provided," alky?

where?

is?

it?

so far all we've heard is third-hand hearsay and presumptions.

that's it.

beyond your delusions, the fact is, this impeachment is turning to shit at a rate i could not have imagined. in fact, this isn't an impeachment at all. this is festivus, and the "airing of grievances"; all of which are penny-ante ass aches from embedded career parasites whose ox is being gored by trump.

face it alky. you guys can't beat this man.

in no particular order:

russia - fail

emoluments - fail

skanky daniels - fail

25th amendment - fail

michael cohen - fail

and now... ukraine - FAIL.

enjoy trump's re-election alky. lord knows you guys certainly have earned it.