Sunday, December 22, 2019

Andrew Sullivan writes what liberals won't admit

What We Know About Trump Going Into 2020
(alternate title: Yes, we need to undo the 2016 election)
It is this profound immorality that made this week inevitable. Yes, inevitable. Put a man of this sort — utterly unprepared, utterly corrupt, and with no political or governing experience at all — into the Oval Office, and impeachment, if there is any life left in our democracy, is inevitable.
The impeachment was inevitable because this president is so profoundly and uniquely unfit for the office he holds, so contemptuous of the constitutional democracy he took an oath to defend, and so corrupt in his core character that a crisis in the conflict between him and the rule of law was simply a matter of time.
Sullivan is basically admitting that this was always about undoing the 2016 election. Americans got it wrong according to Sullivan because they elected a man who should have never been President. Sullivan has believed from the very start that Trump should be removed. Not because of anything that would generally have qualified for impeachment, but because in his mind Trump is inherently bad and any excuse will do.
The two core lessons of the past few years are therefore: (1) Trumpism has a real base of support in the country with needs that must be addressed, and (2) Donald Trump is incapable doing it and is such an unstable, malignant, destructive narcissist that he threatens our entire system of government.
Moreover, in Sullivan's world the idea that Trump is President isn't the only problem. The other problem (that he believes needs to be addressed) is that there is an actual base of support for Trump. Sullivan is literally demanding that nobody in this country be allowed to even support Trump. That not only do liberals somehow need to impeach and remove the President, but they need to impeach and remove his supporters too. This is literal madness.
Yes, some partisan Democrats were out to destroy him from the very beginning and have merely been seeking a pretext ever since. Yes, some have overreached in their Russia fixation. And I’m not going to deny the troubling facts outlined in the Inspector General’s report on the FBI’s dangerously sloppy FISA requests when the Russia question first emerged in summer 2016. These are parts of the truth that demand inquiry and reflection. But they are largely irrelevant to the question in front of us.
The odd part about this statement is that Sullivan writes as if Trump needed to be impeached from the start, and then suggests that there are some "partisan" Democrats out to destroy him from the beginning. He makes a weak case that Ukraine was the straw that broke the back so to speak, but it's difficult to reconcile this argument with the main underlying theme of this article. Unless Sullivan is willing to admit that he is part of those willing to bring him down from the start, then his own TDS has altered his self reflection to the point where he doesn't recognize the blatant inconsistencies (not over time) but within this particular article.

Moreover, the very concept that people want to impeach Trump the day he started is actually quite a problem. It runs fundamentally counter to how our country and how Democracy works. What Sullivan is implying (with regards to Trump and his supporters) is extremely dangerous. The long term consequences to simply not accepting election results far outweighs any comfort these people feel from a irrelevant and impotent attempt to remove the President.

Meanwhile, there is now actual proof that people within our own government were breaking the law in order to justify a intelligence and criminal investigation into Trump and anyone associated with him.  Law enforcement did this largely without due cause or due process and most certainly without proper due cause or due process. This also matters. We all need to recognize that this impeachment has nothing to do with Ukraine or Biden, but rather it IS just a pretense to set in motion the very actions that liberals (including those in our own government) wanted to do from day one.

Sullivan is standing on the ledge here and is ready to jump into the entire concept of starting a figurative war with those who disagree with him (addressing them as he suggest). Obviously he is not the only one who holds these paranoid, creepy, and extremely dangerous views. But at least he is willing to admit the underlying view.

62 comments:

anonymous said...

Funny Lil Scotty.....posting a thread from a guy you have dissed more times than obama!!!!!!1 Now you embrace his words......talki about ironic hypocrisy!!!!!!! You win again the most disingenuous slurper here!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Anonymous said...

Peggy Noonan Kicking Pelosi's balls up in here throat.

"The Democrats think they’ve just had a big triumph. The president’s been impeached. But Republicans see themselves as gaining the upper hand.

The House couldn’t lift the event into an air of historical gravity. They dressed in dark clothes and never smiled, as at a wake, but the deceased was making kicking sounds from the casket and appeared to be tweeting, so it was incongruous.

There was no “debate” and no one tried to persuade anybody. The revealing moment was when Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the first article had passed and some Democrats apparently began to clap. She threw them her mother-of-five look: Don’t make me come up there. They were surely members of the Progressive Caucus. They wanted to applaud because they were happy, and they were happy because they are shallow."

Anonymous said...

Sullivan is standing on the ledge here and is ready to jump into the entire concept of starting a figurative war with those who disagree with him (addressing them as he suggest).


i would submit that the war sullivan and his ilk seek is not figurative but literal. the left really does hate us with a seething, burning rage. trump's the point man for their hatred, but the wish to be rid of us all.

naturally, the unintended consequences of how this ends will be devastating to the left. but by then it will be too late. they had better be extremely careful about what they wish for because when they get it it's going to be extremely painful.

anonymous said...

A first and I congratulate the fucking loser rat.....a semi cogent thought of his own!!!!!!! However, the devastation trump is creating in this country with his ever decreasing old man white base will doom the R's in the not too distant future...

Anonymous said...

"the devastation trump is creating in this country " Dystopia Denny

Please tell us 3 ways Trump.has devastated you.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Four Tests for Impeachment
December 22, 2019 at 1:53 pm EST

Ramesh Ponnuru writing in NATIONAL REVIEW:

“The Constitution provides for impeachment and removal to protect us from officials, including presidents, who are unable or unwilling to distinguish between the common good that government is supposed to serve and their own narrow interests. Though he has done some good things in office, Trump is just such a president. Congress should act accordingly.”
__________________

Never thought I'd hear anyone in Nazi-tional Review calling for such sanity.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

CH UNTRUTH SAID:
Sullivan thinks that "Trump should be removed. Not because of anything that would generally have qualified for impeachment, but because...Trump is inherently bad and any excuse will do."
______________

If it is true that Trump IS "inherently bad," any excuse WILL do. And there is ABUNDANT evidence that Trump is inherently bad.

Anonymous said...

This Weekend has been fantastic. Speaker in Name Only Polosi has been taken a beating like a red headed step child.

Anonymous said...

Lol James just litteraly said "Orange Man Bad"

🤣

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Sullivan literally said it.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...
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Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Key Democrat Undecided on Removing Trump
December 22, 2019 at 1:56 pm EST

“Sen. Doug Jones (D-AL), who won a stunning special election victory in 2017 and faces a difficult reelection campaign next year, said Sunday that he remains undecided on whether President Trump should be removed from office,” the Washington Post reports.

“Jones — a former prosecutor and moderate Democrat representing a deeply conservative state that overwhelming backed Trump’s presidential campaign in 2016 — said he is keeping his mind open ahead of the pending Senate trial, following the House’s vote to impeach the president last week.”
________

Persuade him if you can, GOP Senators. But it will take a real trial, which the President says he wants but is trying to prevent by denying real witnesses.

Anonymous said...

"Joe Biden is supposedly the Democrat front runner for president, but less than 100 people turned out to see him in Iowa today.

Biden was holding a town hall meeting in Ottumwa, and according to a photo of the crowd, only 98 people turned out."

Omg. That's all.

Anonymous said...

Lol@Jane.

Admitting that Nadler/Schitt/Palsy failed in the US House .

Thanks for your honesty .

Anonymous said...

Another statement was confirmed by Jane is that the USA will still be here in "100 years".

Driving a spike thru the heart of the Green Deal.

C.H. Truth said...

James...

Does anyone really care about Doug Jones other than Doug Jones? He's a lame duck with little or no chance of winning reelection short of switching Parties. He literally won because Republicans couldn't stand the Republican running.

If he does vote to acquit the President it will because he actually believes he has a shot at winning in 2020. A vote to impeach will be a concession that he knows he stands no chance.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

the USA will still be here in "100 years".'

True. IN SPITE OF TRUMP, as future generations will ruefully admit.

There will be, however, climate consequences which we will have to deal with and should have begun dealing with during his time in office.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Oh, Ch, it will be SUCH a feather in the GOP's camp is he votes not to impeach.
But he is saying he still has to be convinced, despite all the pressure.

Better TRY to convince him, then.
But if the requested realwitnesses are not permitted to appear...

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Again: It will take a real trial, which the President says he wants but is trying to prevent by keeping the real witnesses from appearing.

Anonymous said...

😂the USA will still be here in "100 years".'

True🤣

When did you first realize the B.S. the current crop of "eco-terrorist alarmist " where bleating out?

Anonymous said...

Can someone besides me point out the many errors that Jane is making in his stance on the failed case made by his team in the US House?

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Shut up, Kansas Dim. Nobody I know of said the US would not be here in a hundred years.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

It will take a REAL trial, which the President says he wants but is trying to prevent by keeping the REAL witnesses from appearing.

Caliphate4vr said...

Shut up stupid old man, you’ve been abjectly wrong about everything for the last 5 years

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Sen. Lindsey Graham does not believe any senators will vote to compel testimonies from current and former White House officials in President Trump's Senate impeachment trial.

Joining Fox's Sunday Morning Futures, the South Carolina Republican told host Maria Bartiromo he doesn't expect to hear from acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney or former national security adviser John Bolton during the trial, which is expected to begin in January, because the Trump administration has invoked executive privilege for them and other officials.

“The president is invoking executive privilege around Mick Mulvaney, John Bolton, and others,” Graham said. “They’ve impeached him because he wanted to go to court.”

When asked if he thinks any senators will vote to compel testimony from those witnesses, he said, "No, I don't."

“If you call these witnesses who work for the president after he’s invoked executive privilege … if you deny him his day in court, then you’re abusing the constitutional rights of Donald Trump as president, and you’re putting the entire presidency at risk,” Graham explained. “I can’t imagine any senator doing this to the presidency ... I hope the senators will not vote to compel witnesses before the court determines whether or not there’s executive privilege."

Senate Democrats, led by Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, have requested that Mulvaney and Bolton be called as witnesses in Trump's Senate trial. Republican leaders in the upper chamber, however, have signaled that they'd prefer a trial in which no witnesses are called to testify. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has also publicly rejected Schumer's demand.

Mulvaney and Bolton, along with a handful of other White House aides, were both requested by House lawmakers to testify in their impeachment investigation, but the administration blocked them from doing so, citing executive privilege.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

The House Republicans and the Senate Republicans kept complaining that there were no (or rather, not enough) actual first hand witnesses at the House hearings. So why are the President and his minions so desperately trying to keep Bolton and Mulvaney, who ARE genuine first hand witnesses, from testifying.

And as for Trump having his day in court, he himself could show up to answer questions, along with good old Giuliani.

Anonymous said...

the prosecution rested without charging a crime. nancy has chosen so far to not to give it to the jury. follow the constitution. disputes are settled in the courts.

Anonymous said...

Lol, Jane you have to be kidding. your team has been for years predicting the end of the Earth because of man.

Anonymous said...

On

Why would someone think not bowing to unreasonable rules is hiding?

Anonymous said...

Jane's has never ever in his life seen this.

"The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change,' Ocasio-Cortez says

Commonsense said...

And as for Trump having his day in court, he himself could show up to answer questions, along with good old Giuliani.

So basically just throw out the 5th amendment along with due process right James.

Anonymous said...

The Three Socialist Stooges of CHT hate the US Constitution and clearly don't understand it.

anonymous said...


Please tell us 3 ways Trump.has devastated you.


He lives, breathes and fucks whatever he can buy!!!!!!!!! BWWAAAAAAAAA!!!!

anonymous said...

has chosen so far to not to give it to the jury. follow the constitution. disputes are settled in the courts.


Which completely put Moscow mitch and trump on their heels.....Good girl as a 97 lb women kicks the entire GOP's ass!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Commonsense said...

He lives, breathes and fucks whatever he can buy!!!!!!!!! BWWAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Please explain what that has to do with you. Especially the fucking part.

Commonsense said...

s. So why are the President and his minions so desperately trying to keep Bolton and Mulvaney, who ARE genuine first hand witnesses, from testifying.

Well for one thing the trial will be conducted according to rules setup for the 1999 impeachment of Bill Clinton. There were no witnesses at that trial either.

A better question is why didn't the Democrats call them when they had control of the process in the House?

Seems like the Democrats are desperate for a do over.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

The Dems DID call them, but Trump refused. The Dems issued subpoenas which were ignored. At that point, to have tried to enforce the subpoenas would have necessitated long months before the courts.

So the Dems moved on. But now with Trump saying he wants fair play with a real trial and his own time in court (which the Dems offered him before, but which he ducked), the Dems are now validly questioning why he is STILL refusing to allow testimony from those who have genuine first hand knowledge of what he said and did.

anonymous said...

u. Especially the fucking part.

HE'S A WHORE MONGERING PIG THAT YOU GIVE A PASS TO INSPITE OF HIM CHEATING IN HIS MARRIAGE....Something evangelicals hold dear to heart especially when applying that standards to gay marriages....BWAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Sad what hypocrites you are since Trump is about as religious as a FLEA!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous said...

Dystopia Denny adds nothing , always.

Anyone seen Roger?
He might have sucked the businesses end of this 30.06 Rifle.

anonymous said...

The goat fucker misquotes a representative like it actually means something!!!!

2 years if we don't address climate change,' Ocasio-Cortez says

And I say you remain a goat fucking idiot with nothing to do but post trash because it serves as your ersatz wife.....BWAAAAAAA!!!!

anonymous said...

And the goat fucker sucks the wrong end of a goat......BWAAAAAAAA!!!!

Anonymous said...

Completely Correct.
"ImageUSA Today › news › 2019/01/22

Ocasio-Cortez on climate: Millennials fear world will end in 12 years
Jan 22, 2019 · 'The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change,' Ocasio-Cortez says.

Anonymous said...

Jane, your team failed. Did they not know the rules in the US Constitution?

Seems they don't.

anonymous said...


Ocasio-Cortez on climate: Millennials fear world will end in 12 years


BWAAAAAAAAA!!!! Less relevant than you burning wood because you can't afford to heat your hovel!!!!!!!!!!! Not even a quote from her!!!!! A caption the dumb fucking loser misrepresented as usual!!!!!!!!

anonymous said...

2019/01/22

And the goat fucking loser posted year old BS like the trump fellator he is always sucking!!!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAA!!!! Dumb fuck!!!!

Anonymous said...

The Dems DID call them, but Trump refused.

as was his right to do so, pederast.

The Dems issued subpoenas which were ignored. At that point, to have tried to enforce the subpoenas would have necessitated long months before the courts.

well, if democrats were as somberly serious or seriously somber as they said they were, they would have requested the courts enforce the subpoena's.

somber, serious people in pursuit of somber, serious proceedings such as impeachment take their work somberly and seriously.

that is, up until they don't want to be taken seriously anymore. then they delay sending the articles to the senate.

they have the benefit of having a base of supporters so fucking stupid they think this is a winning strategery.

one of the ironies of this debacle of which there are several is that pelosi actually IS in violation of what she charged trump with to impeach him.

she currently is abusing her power and she currently is obstructing the senate.

and her base, comprised of pederasts, dumb fuck denny's and alky's, are to fucking stupid to do anything but agree with her.

Anonymous said...




From their first debates in June, their major candidates announced themselves to be for sharply higher taxes, banning private health insurance, the Green New Deal, free college, complete student loan forgiveness, free health insurance for illegal aliens, and functionally open borders. They would ban fossil fuels and fracking. At least one candidate said America’s religious institutions should lose their tax-exempt status if they oppose same-sex marriage. They are extreme on abortion—no limits, ever—and in their support of identity politics, which sees not a country but a thousand warring tribes endlessly rewarded for being at each other’s throats.

Very much a part of all this, and sworn in just under a year ago, were Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and “The Squad,” enthusiastically held up by the Democrats’ friends and operatives in the press as the future of the party. If they are, the future is grim, with their Leninist insistence that you’ll do it their way or be flattened. It is not only policies that count but spirit. Theirs is one of accusation and division. Where they should be ardent they are only arrogant. Their approach speaks of a desire not to make progress but to unsettle and undo.

But the point is most of the most famous public faces in the party spent 2019 essentially supporting a reordering of arrangements that have lasted two centuries and allowed us, for all our mess and chaos, to be great.

Here is how the party’s lurch left has improved the president’s position.

It makes the 2020 race not “Trump vs. the Democrat,” a race he can lose, but “Trump vs. Lefty Madness,” which he can win.

The left is turning Donald Trump into a savior. He was not a savior before AOC. He was not a savior before Elizabeth and Bernie said they’d ban your health insurance.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/crazy-wont-beat-trump-11576799917



anonymous said...

as was his right to do so,

He has also said his administration is the most transparent evah!!!!!! Hold back all his staff intones he is hiding something......and having to ignore subpoena's like his lawyer has done is not a right....it is saying fuck you to the american voter

C.H. Truth said...

Oh, Ch, it will be SUCH a feather in the GOP's camp is he votes not to impeach. But he is saying he still has to be convinced, despite all the pressure.

Jeepers... I heard the exact same nonsense from about a dozen Democrats when everyone knew that they were going to vote to impeach at the end of the day.

I couldn't care less about Doug Jones and would not hold an entire trial to convince one Democrat.

Besides... Pelosi and gang may never send the impeachment articles over to the Senate (or wait and hope that they garner a Senate majority in 2020) and hold the trial during his second term.

C.H. Truth said...

At that point, to have tried to enforce the subpoenas would have necessitated long months before the courts.

Making someone wait for the courts does not make a crime.

Anonymous said...

Alky went on and on about balance of co equal branches.
Palsy demands a Winess
Pres. Kicks her Balls into her throat
Palsy should have sent it to the USSC

The court rules for Palsy or for The President.

This is clearly to inconvenient for the Socialist Democrats .

Anonymous said...

"The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change,' Ocasio-Cortez says.

Dystopia Dopey wrong again, but since it was a year ago your team has only 11 years left.

Anonymous said...

"Ms. Ocasio-Cortez took issue with Republicans for taking her statement seriously.

“This is a technique of the GOP,"

So She said it, but didn't really mean it.



Commonsense said...

The Dems DID call them,

In actual fact they didn't call them and they didn't subpoena them. They didn't want to wait for the court

anonymous said...


Dystopia Dopey wrong again,


The goat fucking asshole admits his post was dated and incorrect....I win again!!!!!!!! Intellect is not in your wheel house or being honest....just like trump.....a lying cheating amoral asshole!!!!! BWAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Denny you don't even troll well.

anonymous said...

And the goat fucker can't even post a cogent post without lying or making shit up!!!!!!.....you lose again you dumb fucking idiot!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It's objection of justice "allegatily

Anonymous said...

She said it.
She then said.

"Ms. Ocasio-Cortez took issue with Republicans for taking her statement seriously.

“This is a technique of the GOP,"

So She said it, but didn't really mean it.

Anonymous said...

some of the dwarfs echoed her.

Anonymous said...



Blogger Roger Amick said...

It's objection of justice "allegatily



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