Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that party leaders will apply no pressure on rank-and-file members to support the articles of impeachment against President Trump that are expected to hit the House floor next week.
While the House Democratic Caucus is overwhelmingly supportive of the impeachment effort, several moderate members are holding out ahead of the votes amid concerns that backing the effort might alienate voters in their battleground districts heading into the 2020 election.
Pelosi maintained on Thursday that the choice is entirely theirs to make.
The articles are expected to be voted on by the House Judiciary committee today and then a vote will be put to the full House next week. Meanwhile McConnell has agreed to allow the President to bring forward his own defense. At this point, it sounds like we will something like opening statements being brought by both sides, with questions about how many (if any) witnesses will be called.
Republicans have gone from their demand that they would call everyone from Hunter Biden to Adam Schiff, to now suggesting that there may be "no" witnesses called at all. The new line of reasoning is that they would move from opening statements to a quick vote of acquittal. The question will be whether or not the GOP Senators can agree one way or the other with the idea of a quick vote or whether some of the more moderates are going to want a pretense of a trial before the foregone acquittal vote takes place.
I think if the GOP remains solid in both the House and Senate, while there are a handful of Democratic defections in one chamber or the other, the idea of pushing this through quickly make sense. If the GOP can show that there is no bipartisan support for impeachment and that there "is" bipartisan opposition, that will go a long way to justifying a quick acquittal vote.
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So much for a fair and open trial......minds already set in stone.....I recall Jowls and his one term president statement.....his obstruction and being a trump slurper to advance the party instead of country is appalling!!!!!
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Thursday that he didn’t believe any Republicans in the Senate planned to vote to remove President Donald Trump from office should the House impeach him next week, saying he even expected some Democrats to side with GOP lawmakers.
“There is no chance the president is going to be removed from office,” McConnell told Fox News’ Sean Hannity on Thursday evening. “My hope is there won’t be a single Republican who votes for either of these articles of impeachment. And Sean, it wouldn’t surprise me if we got one or two Democrats.”
The remarks came as lawmakers on the House Judiciary Committee held a heated markup session on two articles of impeachment related to Trump’s demand that the leader of Ukraine announce the opening of an investigation into a political rival, former Vice President Joe Biden, and his son Hunter. One article focuses on abuse of power and the other on obstruction of Congress.
Nadler shutdown of the hearings last night.
And now this .
She is going to knee cap , bribe and break enough to get the votes she needs.
But it will remain more bi-Partisan against.
interesting legal point the Sitting US President can not obstruct Congress.
Being co-equal branches .
So much for a fair and open trial......minds already set in stone.
Well the House had a chance to hold a fair and open hearing... and instead they cut it short because going to court to compel additional witnesses would take too long politically.
They haven't appeared to have changed the minds of the two Democrats who voted against the probe, and they may have actually lost one or two others. So if you take issue with how there isn't going to be any chance to change people's minds, take it up with Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi and the rest of the Democrats.
The real problem here Denny...
and there isn't really any way around it...
The impeachment argument is a "dud".
The House hearings were a bust.
There just isn't a case here to convince Republicans to remove the President. If the House truly was like a prosecutor and impeachment was the same as an indictment, then the thing a prosecutor is obligated to do before bringing a case is to have an honest and objective believe that they can actually win the case in court.
No DA would allow a prosecutor to take a case to court, knowing full well they are going to lose. But that is exactly what the Democrats are going to do next week. Vote to bring a dead end case to Trial.
For the third year in a row, Donald J. Trump has been named Person of the Year by the magazine Popular Sociopath, the publication announced on Thursday.
“Once a year, we at Popular Sociopath recognize the person who best epitomizes sociopathic-personality disorder, which manifests in antisocial behavior and a total absence of conscience and concern for others,” Harland Dorrinson, the magazine’s editor, said. “We are delighted to bestow this honor, once again, on Donald J. Trump.”
For the third year in a row, Donald J. Trump has been named Person of the Year by the magazine Popular Sociopath, the publication announced on Thursday.
Very sorry to hear this Roger...
We all know how much you wanted this award for yourself.
I think I speak for everyone when I say that you deserved it with all of your hard work this year at being mentally ill.
John Hayward
@Doc_0
Imagine you're one of the purple-district Democrats who's already scared to death about voting for Nancy Pelosi's impeachment farce and then you see the U.K. election results rolling in
Scared the hell out of somebody last night, haven't watched what the walking dead are doing this morning. Boy Nadler and crew sure looked like zombies yesterday. Don't know if they were trying to act "somber" or were facing reality.
ANOTHER FANTASTIC WEEK !!!
You actually have your own bullshit...
A bust? The hearings in the Senate trial will make it perfectly clear that the President has objecting justice and abused his authority as President to get dirt on his strongest opponent.
Roberts won't allo either side to make into a carnival show.
23-17
You should accept a doctor appointment with the psychiatrist for treatment of Trumpism stage four brain cancer.
12 hours per day of being restricted from the Breitbart News etc. and instead 24 hours of MSNBC live!
I think I speak for everyone when I say that you deserved it with all of your hard work this year at being mentally ill since November election day in 2016.
๐Very sorry to hear this Roger...
We all know how much you wanted this award for yourself. ๐
No one kept the Clowns in the US House in check.
The first vote was Bi-Partisan AGAINST .
One of Lying Pasly rules, it had to be Bi-Partisan and it was, Against.
She has no soul.
No vote By the Entire US House Until next week. Cowards.
Nadler/Palsy/Schitt need more time to break legs, knee cap and buy votes of the fence sitting democrats, but why.
The Three Socialist Stooges of CHT are so sure Trump did sime-thing-or-other.
History's verdict will be:
Trump not only did it, he lied and prevented testimony that would have proved even more conclusively that he did it.
The hearings in the Senate trial will make it perfectly clear that the President has objecting justice and abused his authority as President to get dirt on his strongest opponent.
You think?
What makes you believe that the Senate trial will be any better for Democrats than the House hearings were? At this point, neither side has any real reason to drag things out. It's more than possible that we hear some arguments, hear from no new witnesses, and then we get nearly a straight Party line vote.
The problem here Rog... and what I don't think you seem to get is that this isn't an issue of evidence, arguments, witnesses or anything else.
At issue are legal arguments that are entrenched. Nobody is going to change their minds on what they believe constitutes "abuse of power" or "obstruction of Congress".
You seem to have this fantasy that some witness will come forward and everyone will go "wow" - there will be blinking lights, loud noise, streamers and confetti, and then everyone will believe like you do.
Not.
Going.
To.
Happen.
The fact is that when there are as many legal scholars who follow the belief that the law allows the President to set terms and conditions and that even if he had engaged in quid pro quo (which actually never happened) it wouldn't be any sort of "abuse of power".
The fact that you support and defend the investigations into Trump and his campaign during the 2016 election makes you a hypocrite if you find the same sort of action "illegal" if it might happen to a Democrat. That is not lost on people.
Secondly, as Turley, McCarthy, and plenty of others have argued, the President has every right to invoke privilege. These are two equal branches of the Government and their inter-branch disputes are not something to be declared as an impeachable offense. The House could have gone the contempt of congress route or gone to court to secure a Judicial ruling.
Again... the fact that Eric Holder, Louis Lerner and others refused to testify for Congress (along with documents being withheld), without anyone deciding that Obama should be impeached is another point for Trump and another show of hypocrisy by the left.
I think I speak for everyone when I say that you deserved it with all of your hard work this year at being mentally illiterate.(lolololol)
After an overnight break, the House Judiciary Committee returned Friday morning and quickly voted through two articles of impeachment—abuse of power and obstruction of Congress—on party-line votes. Both articles passed 23 to 17, with Democratic Rep. Ted Lieu absent due to illness.
This vote sets up a vote in the full House as soon as next week. Un
History's verdict will be:
Trump not only did it, he lied and prevented testimony that would have proved even more conclusively that he did it.
First things first Scott.
The argument this is not a violation of law is not relevant in an impeachment case. Your comment is based upon your political beliefs.
The Constitution does not require proof the violation of any law.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's easy to find the out and out lie in Ch's following statement:
The fact is that when there are as many legal scholars who follow the belief that the law allows the President to set terms and conditions and that even if he had engaged in quid pro quo (which actually never happened) it wouldn't be any sort of "abuse of power".
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Truth be told, that is the Republicans' real argument:
"He did it but it doesn't matter."
But the verdict of history will be,
he did it
and then clumsily tried to hide the fact that he did it
and then continued to lie about it.
The Constitution does not require proof the violation of any law.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whaaa?
Roger, do you get to put up a Christmas tree in your apartment?
James...
I was unconvinced, until I read the same thing a second time.
The problem with predicting how the future will see the present is that... well, quite frankly it really doesn't matter. At all!
But what people will remember are the facts.
- Democrats brought two articles of impeachment that for the first time in 240+ years did not include an actual settled crime.
- Democrats brought them on a purely partisan basis, with no buy in from anyone on the other side of the aisle.
- Democrats brought them, knowing full well that they would fail.
Those are the only facts that people will remember. The whole Ukraine deal will fade away (especially since there was no actual quid pro quo) and the obstruction of Congress will go down as little more than hypocrisy (considering how often members of the executive branch fail to comply with Congressional subpoenas).
Cali , this is oddly interesting.
"The Constitution does not require proof the violation of any law."
Roger , will now quote the US Constitution that supports his belief.
or run like a LA Queen.
Palsy admitted she has been impeaching this President for the Last 2.5 years.
Actually , 3 + years.
Roger.
The fact is that the aid was provided to Ukraine.
The Office of Management and Budget has declared that the delay was routine
The Ukrainians never did provide anything in return
So, no Rog...
as a matter of fact, there was no quid pro quo.
The fact is that the aid was provided to Ukraine.
Right. AFTER it became clear that Trump had no authority to block the aid provided by Congress in the first place.
Georgia Rep. Doug Collins, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee. “Rather than help Americans move into the future with confidence, Democrats are attempting to knee-cap our democracy.”
He reminded me of George Wallace.
Phase 1 U.S.- China Deal inked.
$50 Billion more in US Grain Purchases
Obama/Biden believed they could.
"Right. AFTER it became clear that Trump had no authority to block the aid provided by Congress in the first place."
Roll Creepy Joe Video.
The Ukrainians never did provide anything in return.
HISTORICAL FACT: They were reluctantly on the verge of announcing the beginning of the investigation Trump asked for as a favor when the release of the illegally blocked aid made such an action unnecessary.
James believes, The US House makes direct payment to Foreign countries .
wow, so wrong.
The Ukrainians never did provide anything in return.
They didn't have to do anything because the whistleblower report surfaced and the President released the military aid to Ukraine in response.
quid pro quo
Right. AFTER it became clear that Trump had no authority to block the aid provided by Congress in the first place.
He had EVERY authority to do so... if he had wanted to.
It's been the law for 60 years James.
It's one thing to claim that you don't need to show a law being broken to impeach a President. It's quite another when you claim that you can ignore existing laws in order to justify impeachment.
No one ever tried to hide what Biden did because it had the support of the President, our government, and of numerous allies.
HISTORICAL FACT:
That's not what Zelensky or anyone from Ukraine states.
But... we are not supposed to believe the Ukrainians, correct?
Even though they are supposedly the victims here.
No one ever tried to hide what Biden did because it had the support of the President, our government, and of numerous allies.
The fact that you believe that we had some actual interest in a Ukrainian prosecutor (to the tune of a billion dollar threat) that had nothing to do with the fact that he was investigating at least three prominent Americans (including Burisma and by proxy Hunter Bide)...
Is why you are so easily swayed by things.
Provide for me another example in our history where a mid level foreign employee was pegged by us as having to be fired by a foreign leader in exchange for aid?
One other example...
The State Department "quietly authorized releasing $141 million" of the approximately $400 million withheld by the White House several days before Sept. 11 — the date Trump says he released the funds.
The White House hold on funds "provoked consternation, if not panic, at the State and Defense Departments," Bloomberg reports — "because the law required them to spend the money by the end of the fiscal year on Sept. 30 or lose it."
Zelensky says Trump should not have blocked aid: "We're at war."
In a wide-ranging interview with TIME magazine and other European publications, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky publicly pushed back on President Trump for withholding military aid this summer while the country was in the midst of a war with Russia.
Why it matters:
The question of whether Trump froze aid in order to pressure Ukraine to announce investigations into his domestic rivals is now at the heart of the impeachment inquiry. Zelensky denied that he ever spoke with Trump about the aid "from the position of a quid pro quo," but criticized the U.S. for its treatment of Ukraine and frequent labeling of the country as corrupt.
Highlights
On whether Trump wanted to exchange aid for investigating the Bidens
"Look, I never talked to the President from the position of a quid pro quo. That’s not my thing. … I don’t want us to look like beggars. But you have to understand. We’re at war. If you’re our strategic partner, then you can’t go blocking anything for us. I think that’s just about fairness. It’s not about a quid pro quo. It just goes without saying."
On how the U.S. can help Ukraine amid peace talks with Russia
"As for the United States, I would really want – and we feel this, it’s true – for them to help us, to understand us, to see that we are a player in our own right, that they cannot make deals about us with anyone behind our backs."
"When America says, for instance, that Ukraine is a corrupt country, that is the hardest of signals. ... Everyone hears that signal. Investments, banks, stakeholders, companies, American, European, companies that have international capital in Ukraine, it’s a signal to them that says, ‘Be careful, don’t invest.’ Or, ‘Get out of there.’ This is a hard signal."
"America, first of all, has its direct relations with Russia. To influence Russia, to make everyone see that this [war] is a big tragedy, and that it must end, I think that Mr. Trump can speak directly, and I think they do talk about these things."
On Trump saying Ukraine is a corrupt country
"I don’t need to change his mind. During my meeting with him, I said that I don’t want our country to have this image. For that, all he has to do is come and have a look at what’s happening, how we live, what kinds of people we are. I had the sense that he heard me. I had that sense. At least during the meeting, he said, ‘Yes, I see, you’re young, you’re new, and so on."
Reality check:
Trump on Monday falsely tweeted that Zelensky declared during the interview that "President Trump has done nothing wrong with respect to Ukraine and our interactions or calls."
Ukraine Aid Was Released After Federal Lawyers Said Trump Freeze Was Illegal: Report
The president has claimed that he was the one to release the funds, and that there was no quid pro quo for his call to investigate Joe Biden.
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It wasn’t Donald Trump who released the promised military aid to Ukraine, but the State Department, after lawyers determined that the White House freeze on the funds was illegal, several sources have told Bloomberg.
Trump has claimed he released the aid on September 11. But five sources told Bloomberg that $141 million of the money was actually authorized to be released several days earlier after lawyers determined that the White House Office of Management and Budget and, therefore, the president, had no legal standing to block the funds. The decision was outlined in a classified memo to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, according to Bloomberg.
Not so easy being a Trump sycophant, is it, Ch?
You are so easily swayed by things since election day in my 2015 that you have lost your mind Scott.
Fail Technology Usage or Booze related?
"election day in my 2015 that you have lost your mind Scott."
Trump lies and doubles down on lies and the sycophants here follow him in his lying.
___________
At the United Nations on Sept. 24, Trump told reporters that he had withheld U.S. assistance to Ukraine this summer because he wanted European countries to contribute...
“I’d withhold again and I’ll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine because they’re not doing it,” Trump said. “Everybody in the administration knows that what I want, and I insist on it, is that Europe has to put up money for Ukraine also. Why is it only the United States putting up the money? … Germany, France, other countries should put up money.”
At one point, Trump said the United States was contributing “the bulk of the money,” but
But other countries are doing it, and the U.S. isn’t even the majority contributor of total official development assistance.
According to the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, EU institutions top the OECD’s list of the top 10 donors of official development assistance to Ukraine, with $425.2 million contributed on average for 2016-2017. The U.S. was second with $204.4 million in assistance, closely followed by Germany, which contributed $189.8 million on its own, in addition to contributions it would have made through the European Union.
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Truth doesn't matter to Ever Trumpers.
Can't fix this , it is on par with Alky Stupid.
"No one ever tried to hide what Biden did because it had the support of the President, our government, and of numerous allies."
Cali , this is oddly interesting.
"The Constitution does not require proof the violation of any law."
Roger , will now quote the US Constitution that supports his belief.
or run like a LA Queen.
So far Roger ran
KANSAS DUMBHEAD:
Can't fix this , it is on par with Alky Stupid.
"No one ever tried to hide what Biden did because it had the support of the President, our government, and of numerous allies."
_______________
Heh heh heh. I "fixed" it.
Read how that compares with what Trump did.
Just see 10:42 above.
according to BLOOMBERG
hey isn't he doing exactly what the dems are accusing Trump of doing, trying to influence his 2020 electionopponent ? Of course he is FAKE NEWS and dems will blindly accept 5 unnamed sources...
And all the above from the POS lying political_lire lapdog shows why I think a Senate trial should be conducted. And the president allowed to depose Schiff, Eric C, and the Bidens, as well as the top Ukraine officials.
That will set the record straight.
And let Team Trump cross-examine the only fact witness, Sondland.
The American people deserve to know about this part of the attempted coup before the Durham and Barr actions hold the "conspiracy theory" actors to account.
James
You just provided a bunch of evidence that supports what "I" stated and not what "you" claim.
You do realize that, correct?
or was the "fact" witness Vindman ????
btw I'd expect another "BOMBSHELL" by the dems shortly in the impeachment process. That's what the left tried in the UK right before the election ( photo of a sick child lying on a hospital floor) but people are getting real tired of their constant predictable tactics. And voted their mind.
Looks like England wants to BE GREAT AGAIN !!!
10 Times FBI Officials Conveniently Could ‘Not Remember’ Key Details Of Trump-Russia Probe
1. Comey On Whether He Discussed Including Steele Dossier In President’s Briefing
2. FBI Agent Could Not Remember Discussing Yahoo News Article With Steele
3. Bruce Ohr Could Not Remember Who Funded Fusion GPS Oppo
4. McCabe Could Not Remember Giving Instructions On Confidential Sources. Agents Say He Did
5. Steele Could Not Remember If He Told the FBI the Dossier Was DNC-Funded
6. FBI Used Sources to Meet With Trump Campaign Officials But Don’t Recall Having a Plan for What to Do With Gathered Intel
7. Comey Doesn’t Recall Making Any ‘Significant Investigative Decisions’
8. FBI Agent Does Not Recall Asking Steele to Contact Russian Oligarchs
9. Bruce Ohr Does Not Remember How He Gave Intel From Fusion GPS to the FBI
10. McCabe Does Not Remember Knowing a Source Meeting With Papadopoulos Was to Be Secretly Recorded
And of course each incident that they could not remember was to the Detriment of the President.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
You are so easily swayed by things since election day in my 2015 that you have lost your mind Scott.
WUT???
here's the thing about your TDS-fueled comments alky -
each should come with it's own truckload of irony since one has to be completely fucking delusional to accept your point of view.
He reminded me of George Wallace.
wallace was a racist fucking DEMOCRAT alky.
RRB , Cali called Alky out on this gem.
"Cali , this is oddly interesting.
"The Constitution does not require proof the violation of any law."
Roger , will now quote the US Constitution that supports his belief.
or run like a LA Queen."
๐Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-LA) was caught watching golf during an impeachment hearing in the House Judiciary Committee.๐คฃ
The Constitution does not require proof the violation of any law.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it doesn't, eh?
so much for the "high crimes and misdemeanors" section, huh alky?
bolt a set of mini-goal posts to your walker so you can roll them around more easily.
Import Prices Continue to decline.
Making the Three Socialist Democrats of CHT dead ads wrong again.
"The Supreme Court said on Friday that it will hear three cases over President Donald Trump’s financial records next year. "
Ok
Import Prices Continue to decline.
Got a link goat fucker or is that beyond your intellectual ability?????? AWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! BTW.....don't mean shit.....LOLOLOLO
CH SAYS:
You just provided a bunch of evidence that supports what "I" stated and not what "you" claim.
You do realize that, correct?
_____________
JAMES SAYS: No, I do not. So now you will clearly show us where you are right and I am wrong, point by point, right?
"Got a link" Fatty
Yes.
Zelensky Stays Quiet on Impeachment
New York Times:
“Mr. Zelensky, still deeply dependent on American assistance, has been signaling, in hardly subtle fashion, that he and his officials will not assist in the impeachment process, keeping quiet in particular about the fact that his government knew weeks earlier than it has publicly acknowledged* that Mr. Trump had frozen nearly $400 million in military aid to Ukraine.”
*Thus exposing another Republican lie.
Jane , we know your team Won the impeachment vote today.
How many Democrats cowardly vote against Impeachment next week.
I say 11 vote against and join Every Single Republican.
“Mr. Zelensky, still deeply dependent on American assistance, has been signaling,
like with smoke signals?
a flare?
signal flags?
sign language?
a series of loud and obnoxious farts?
tell us more about these "signals" pederast.
heh.
My 4:17 post offers CH a marvelous chance to prove he's not a Trump toady.
Except for one thing:
He can't.
and you've been offered multiple marvelous chances to prove you're not a child rapist pederast.
except for one thing.
you can't.
PM
"The mother of Hunter Biden’s child will have the chance to question the son of Democratic presidential contender Joe Biden under oath later this month, the Daily Mail reported."
The mother of Cocaine Hunter Biden love baby is a classy Gentlman Exotic Dancer.
“Mr. Zelensky, still deeply dependent on American assistance, has been signaling,
like with smoke signals?
a flare?
signal flags?
sign language?
a series of loud and obnoxious farts?
tell us more about these "signals" pederast.
______________
heh heh
Here's how he has been signaling, Ratfink.
"And Mr. Zelensky, still deeply dependent on American assistance, has been signaling, in hardly subtle fashion, that he and his officials will not assist in the impeachment process, keeping quiet in particular about the FACT that his government KNEW WEEKS EARLIER than it has publicly acknowledged that Mr. Trump had frozen nearly $400 million in military aid to Ukraine.
Pretty clear signaling, there.
Ratfink, didn't Loretta admit once that you're a convicted rapist?
Here's a chance to prove you're not.
But you can't.
Chuck Ross
@ChuckRossDC
If the public learned in real time that the Steele dossier and collusion theories were bogus, would Dems have taken over House or won as many seats as they did? Seems like FBI/Mueller election interference by omission.
And that's why Schiff lied.
Needs to be held accountable.
As well as others.
Still waiting for CH to respond to my 4:17 post which offers CH a marvelous chance to prove he's not a Trump toady.
Except for one thing:
He can't.
Because it would necessitate a point by point refuting of points he can't refute.
Kimberley Strassel
@KimStrassel
Make sure family and friends see IG report: Clinton didn't just invite foreign influence in 2016; she paid for it. Her team funneled Russian dossier lies to the FBI, for her political gain. Americans deserve free and fair elections. If only press would hold her accountable.
Daily Caller
@DailyCaller
Antifa rioting in London following large electoral wins from the UK’s Conservative Party
Whatever happened to respecting the result of elections ?
Donald Trump Jr.
@DonaldJTrumpJr
When even CNN acknowledges the Democrat’s lies... Yikes.
Trump: Democrats ‘Purposely Misquoted’ Me In Impeachment Hearing. CNN: ‘He’s Correct’
AG Barr and US Attorney Durham are investigating the gross abuse of power by the Obama administration during the 2016 presidential campaign.
...in case you were wondering why Democrats are impeaching Trump.
Catturd
@catturd2
Joe Biden is probably just waking up from his 36 hour nap wondering how the UK elections are going to go this weekend.
Tim Donnelly
@PatriotNotPol
Obama/Biden electronically broke into the Trump campaign headquarters.
The O’Biden administration’s political spying scandal is #Watergate on steroids, yet the media makes no such comparison.
Curious.
The FBI failed to inform surveillance court judges that Carter Page was an “operational contact” for the CIA for years, and that an employee at the spy agency gave the former Trump aide a “positive assessment,” according to a Justice Department report released Monday.
The finding is included in a list of seven of the FBI’s “significant inaccuracies and omissions” in applications for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants against Page, a longtime energy consultant who joined the Trump campaign in March 2016.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/12/09/fbi-carter-page-cia/
disband the FBI, fire everyone even remotely associated with it, and cancel every fucking pension - both going forward and retroactive.
do to the FBI what they did to Michael Flynn. in fucking spades.
fucking traitors.
Ch, where is your point by point refutation?
Lol@Jane begging for attention .
JAMES SAYS: No, I do not. So now you will clearly show us where you are right and I am wrong, point by point, right?
Your argument and supporting document is nothing more than a "yeah but" line... as is you admit that the aid was provided, that there was no actual quid pro quo... "but" you want to qualify the whole thing with some sort of nefarious explanation.
You may "believe" anonymous accounts of the stories of the heroic deep state going around the President to "prevent him" from breaking the law (even though it's not against any laws), but anonymous "stories", your belief, and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee.
Whoever the State Department lawyer is who supposedly pulled rank on the President of the United States was not a witness who testified as such, nor has that person been identified, nor has anyone with any true first hand knowledge or authority confirmed anything about the State Department defying some Presidential order to prevent the President from doing something nefarious.
Actually the opposite is true.
The actual people who were responsible for releasing the aid are ON RECORD as not only saying that there was nothing underhanded going on, but that the delay was actually not unusual. They also are providing the same information as the White House for the delay, and there is no mention anywhere in the official records of events some coup taking place to override the President.
You can sit around and pretend that the official statements from the officials responsible are all a bunch of lies and cover up... and that the real truth lies in the anonymous unsubstantiated stories in the liberal biased media.
That's your tin foil hat to wear. Nobody will take it from you.
But it's not evidence or proof or reality.
The evidence still 100% shows that the aid was released and there was nothing provided in return.
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