Update: There is a hearing before a Judge today apparently on some remaining disputed or challenged ballots. But these are challenged ballots that the board of elections commissioners have already ruled on. Some of those ballots have been included in the final count and some have not (depending on the commissioner's rulings). So it will ultimately be up to a Judge to decide whether to "overrule" the board of elections commission on these decisions.
In other words, these are not set aside ballots that still need to be addressed. They were already challenged and ruled on. One of the candidates (or both) simply didn't like the ruling. But one would think that a pretty strong clear cut "legal" case would need to be made for a Judge to overrule the election commission on this sort of decision.
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On election night, Republican Claudia Tenney led Democratic incumbent Anthony Brindisi by over 28,000 votes. As the mail in ballots continued to be counted... day after day after day after day... that lead kept shriveling.
- At first it was cut in half.
- Then it was down to about 7,000.
- Then it was down to about 3100.
- Then it was down to about 1300.
- Then it was cut to 339 votes.
- This morning it was 264 votes as all counties claimed to be done counting.
Approximately an hour later it was reported (by the same paper that claimed it was 264) that Tenney's lead has been cut to "just over 100 votes" out over 310,000 ballots. That seems to be the new consensus as of this morning as most are calling this an unofficial final tally. Of course, you can still find people on twitter claiming that votes are still out there to count.
As of last night, there was a couple hundred or so "challenged" ballots that a judge had to rule on. Not sure if these challenged ballots accounted for the drop from 264 to "just over 100". But as of now, neither side is talking about those ballots anymore.
Tenney declared herself the winner last night after it appeared that only those few challenged ballots remained. Tenney declared herself the winner again this morning while Brindisi is obviously claiming that it's too close to call.
Apparently the manner in which the district has been canvassing and counting actually mirrors the same manner that they would perform a recount, so there wouldn't appear to be much sense in repeating those same steps again. That being said, I would still look for Brindisi to request one if that is part of the process.
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Well, at least disputes over this race are reasonable because so close.
Not like the following regarding the Biden-Trump vote:
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EVEN THE ARCH CONSERVATIVE NATIONAL REVIEW HAS MORE COMMON SENSE AND DECENCY THAN HATE-FILLED CH AND CALI AND OTHERS HERE on Chtruth:
Trump’s Disgraceful Gambit
11:26 am EST
National Review:
“The Rudy Giuliani–led press conference at the RNC yesterday was the most outlandish and irresponsible performance ever by a group of lawyers representing a president of the United States.
“If Giuliani’s charge of a 'national conspiracy' to produce fraudulent votes in Democratic cities around the country wasn’t far-fetched enough, attorney Sidney Powell ratcheted it up with the allegation that Communist-designed election machinery was used to change the vote from a Trump landslide to a narrow Biden victory.
"An obvious question is why, if you can manipulate the vote count via machine, you’d need to bother with old-fashioned fraudulent ballots.
"Powell’s story is that the surprisingly strong Trump turnout 'broke the algorithm' of the corrupted machines, and then the fraudulent ballots were desperately hauled in to make up the difference.
“This is lawyering worthy of the comments section of Breitbart News.”
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IOW, for those of you who have understanding deficiency problems, it is lawyering that is OBVIOUSLY ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS.
Quote of the Day
11:42 am
“He is undermining the very essence of democracy, which is:
You go to the poll, you vote and the people decide.
There’s no doubt that the people decided.
I think this borders on treason.”
— House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD), quoted by the Washington Post, on President Trump’s attempts to overturn the election results.
Dominion Voting Systems Thursday night abruptly backed out of attending a fact-finding hearing that was set for Friday morning with the Pennsylvania House State Government Committee.
At a press conference Friday morning, State Govt Committee Chair Seth Grove said the 1.3. million Pennsylvanians who used Dominion's voting machines have been "hung out to dry and slapped in their faces."
Pennsylvania lawmakers had scheduled the hearing with the voting machine manufacturer "to help identify and correct any irregularities in the election process," according to the House Republican Caucus.
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Dominion had initially agreed to attend the hearing, before it "abruptly canceled," Grove said.
"I was impressed at what appeared to be the willingness that Dominion Voting Systems to address accusations and it would have put 1.3. million Pennsylvanians who used their machines at ease--including myself, thinking that Dominion was willing to publicly back up their product which PA taxpayers invested millions to purchase" he noted during the presser. "Unfortunately, last evening, Dominion Voting Systems lawyered up, and backed out of their commitment to the people of Pennsylvania to provide their input in a public format."
Grove blasted the company for "retreating into the darkness," rather than appearing at the hearing with "honesty and integrity."
https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/20/dominion-voting-systems-lawyers-up-abruptly-backs-out-of-pa-state-house-fact-finding-hearing/
Damn
Huge: "How likely is it that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win?"
Democrats - 30% - 20% say Very Likely (VL)
Unaffiliated - 39% - 29% say VL
Republicans - 75% - 61% say VL
All Voters - 47% - 36% say VL
The source for rat's article above is the extremely right wing "American Greatness."
Let's compare what they say about Dominion Voting Systems with what we find in Wikipedia, under "controversies" regarding it:
[I could add italics, but there would be too many lies that need to be pointed out.]
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Controversies
Following the 2020 United States presidential election, Donald Trump and some other right-wing personalities amplified the hoax originated by the proponents of the far-right QAnon conspiracy theory that Dominion Voting Systems had been compromised, resulting in millions of votes intended for Trump either being deleted or going to rival Joe Biden. Trump was citing the pro-Trump OANN media outlet, which itself claimed to cite a report from Edison Research, an election monitoring group. Edison Research said that they did not write such a report, and that they "have no evidence of any voter fraud."
Trump and others also made unsubstantiated claims that Dominion had close ties to the Clinton family or other Democrats. There is no evidence for any of these claims, which have been debunked by various groups including election technology experts, government and voting industry officials, and CISA. On November 12, 2020, CISA released a statement that confirmed "there is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised." The statement was signed by various government and voting industry officials including the presidents of the National Association of State Election Directors and the National Association of Secretaries of State.
Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani made several false assertions about Dominion, including that its voting machines used software developed by a competitor, Smartmatic, which he claimed actually owned Dominion, and which he said was founded by the former socialist Venezuelan leader Hugo Chávez. Giuliani also falsely asserted that Dominion voting machines sent their voting data to Smartmatic at foreign locations and that it is a "radical-left" company with connections to antifa. In a related hoax, Dennis Montgomery, a software designer with a history of making dubious claims, asserted that a government supercomputer program was used to switch votes from Trump to Biden on voting machines. Trump attorney Sidney Powell promoted the hoax on Lou Dobbs's Fox Business program two days after the election, and again two days later on Maria Bartiromo's program, claiming to have "evidence that that is exactly what happened." Christopher Krebs, the director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, characterized the claim as "nonsense" and a "hoax." Asserting that Krebs's analysis was "highly inaccurate, in that there were massive improprieties and fraud," Trump fired him by tweet days later.
Powell also asserted she had an affidavit from a former Venezuelan military official, a portion of which she posted on Twitter without a name or signature, who asserted that Dominion voting machines would print a paper ballot showing who a voter had selected, but change the vote inside the machine. However, Dominion voting machines are a "ballot marking device" system in which the voter deposits their printed ballot into a box for counting.
Canada
Dominion Voting Systems is Canada's largest election system provider. Its systems are deployed nationwide, though it has never been used in a federal election. Currently, Dominion provides optical scan paper ballot tabulation systems for provincial elections, including Ontario and New Brunswick. Dominion also provides ballot tabulation and voting systems for Canada's major party leadership elections, including the Liberal Party of Canada, the Conservative Party of Canada, and the PC Party of Ontario.
Ontario was the first Canadian province to use Dominion's tabulator machines in select municipalities in the 2006 municipal elections. New Brunswick used Dominion's 763 tabulator machines in the 2014 provincial elections. There were some problems with the reporting of tabulator counts after the election, and at 10:45 p.m. Elections New Brunswick officially suspended the results reporting count with 17 ridings still undeclared. The Progressive Conservatives and the People's Alliance of New Brunswick called for a hand count of all ballots. Recounts were held in 7 of 49 ridings and the results were upheld with variations of 1–3 votes per candidate per riding. This delay in results reporting was caused by an off-the-shelf software application unrelated to Dominion.
In June 2018, Elections Ontario used Dominion's tabulator machines for the provincial election and deployed them at 50 percent of polling stations.
Damn
And the people who spent the past four years telling us the 2016 election was “hacked” are now saying it imperils democracy to talk about fraud. But when 30% of Democrats think there was fraud, it’s not a crazy fringe theory.
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/415321/
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yet another example of whatever the left accuses the right of doing, the left has done, will do, or IS doing themselves.
i will go to my grave 100% convinced that the left stole the 2020 election.
The difference between what Wiki says above and what rat and Cali say above is the difference between investigative (truth telling, fact checking) objective reporting and crass propaganda.
rat will go to his grave believing many, many lies.
Ch, are you at last willing to admit that this was a legitimate election?
In June 2018, Elections Ontario used Dominion's tabulator machines for the provincial election and deployed them at 50 percent of polling stations.
Ontario's experiment with vote-counting machines could change elections to come
If you’re an Ontarian who voted in Thursday’s provincial election, there’s a chance you cast your ballot into a tabulation machine, rather than a cardboard box.
It’s the first general election that Elections Ontario has made use of vote tabulators, though you might have already seen them used in municipal elections. They’ve been deployed at 50 per cent of polling stations, while the rest of the votes are being manually counted.
Elections Ontario says it hopes the change will result in votes getting counted faster while allowing it to rely on fewer workers. According to its 2015–16 annual report, returning officers faced difficulty filling the large number of polling staff positions required to manually count the votes. In the 2014 election, 76,000 polling staff were hired, and with the increase in the number of ridings for this election cycle, Election Ontario say they would’ve had to hire 100,000 polling officials. The machines cut down the number by half.
The total price tag of these machines is $13.4 million, but Elections Ontario expects to save $5.3 million in staffing costs, and the machines can be shared with municipalities for local elections.
Vote tabulators were first piloted in the 2016 Whitby—Oshawa byelection, which was called after the resignation of PC MPP Christine Elliott. Elections Ontario reported that the time it took to count the ballots was reduced from 90 minutes to less than 30.
The machines are manufactured by Dominion Voting Systems, a Toronto based company, and are not connected to the Internet. In the event that there are any issues with the count, Elections Ontario staff retrieve the paper ballots from the machines and count them manually.
That hasn’t stopped the PCs from expressing worries about the machines. CBC reported that the party accused Elections Ontario of providing inadequate information about the machines and raised concerns over protections from hacking and vote certification. Neither the NDP nor the Liberals flagged any concerns, and the Liberals called the concerns from the PCs a “red herring.”
The first province to use vote tabulators for a provincial election was New Brunswick in 2014—machines that were also sourced from Dominion Voting Systems. Due to a technical glitch, the results were delayed by hours, though Elections New Brunswick officials attributed the snafu to a software problem and said the machines themselves were not at fault.
There have already been anecdotes of problems at the polls in Ontario. Some voters have reported long lines due to issues with the vote tabulators. According to Elections Ontario, 99.6 per cent of the machines are working properly.
How quickly tabulators will become the industry standard remains unclear—Elections Canada is not yet considering using the machines, even though it filled only 285,000 of 329,000 in the last federal election. Still, the advance of technology appears inexorable: a spokesman for the federal agency said it does plan to implement so-called “e-poll books” at some advance polling places to automate routine tasks like checking names off of the voters’ list and completing registration forms.
so while the pederast would lie and have you believe that dominion systems have gone mainstream up north, they remain in a testing and trial phase.
https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ontarios-experiment-with-vote-counting-machines-could-change-elections-to-come/
I did not lie. I just quoted what Wiki says.
Always investigate the sources rat uses.
Macleans, for example.
Ch, are you at last willing to admit that this was a legitimate election?
Always investigate the sources rat uses.
And you use wiki
Jesus you’re fucking stupid
Wiki is open to corrections coming from either the right of the left, as long as they are reasonably fact based.
Michigan Lawmakers Visit with Trump
1:08 pm EST
“A delegation of Republican state lawmakers from Michigan arrived in Washington on Friday as part of President Trump’s Hail Mary attempt to usurp the results of the election he lost,” Politico reports.
NBC News:
“Michigan Republican lawmakers slated to meet Friday with President Donald Trump at the White House could be risking legal exposure back home depending on what actions they take in regards to the state’s election results.”
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Some political lying is actionable.
Pelosi Calls Trump a ‘Psychopathic Nut’
1:04 pm EST
Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on a House Democratic leadership call Thursday night that President Trump is a “psychopathic nut,” Politico reports.
Biden Team Lacks Full U.S. Cybersecurity Support
12:54 pm
“When it comes to protecting sensitive information from foreign hackers, President-elect Joe Biden’s team is largely on its own,” the Wall Street Journal reports.
“The federal government, which has some of the most sophisticated antihacking technologies in the world, is offering limited assistance to Mr. Biden’s transition operation in securing its email and other communications, despite concerns that the team is likely a top espionage target for Russia, China, and other adversaries, according to people familiar with the transition.”
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This is approaching treasonous on the part of Trump.
Georgia Certifies Biden as the Winner
12:45 pm
“Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger announced Friday that President-elect Joe Bide had won the state by more than 12,000 votes after a hand count of all 5 million ballots,” the Washington Post reports.
“The certified results will be submitted to Gov. Brian Kemp (R), who has until Saturday afternoon to accept them.
“The Trump campaign has until Tuesday evening to request another recount of the results, which would launch a process to re-scan the ballots that were recounted by hand.”
right or the left
I don't call Cali stupid. I just show that he is, and without having to use the f word.
Pedo you can’t prove shit, you aren’t bright enough
I do it without having to use the s word either. :-)
How Biden Intends to Revamp Virus Testing
2:00 pm
Politico: “The strategies under discussion, according to four experts advising Biden, include
1) increase the availability of cheap, rapid tests;
2) use the Defense Production Act to beef up the supply of pipettes, chemicals and other key testing materials; and
3) strengthen federal coordination of testing.
“If successful, Biden’s approach would turn the testing system into a tool capable of reducing infections, rather than merely documenting the pandemic’s toll.”
Trump Lawyers to Avoid Michigan Lawmakers
2:06 pm
“Rudy Giuliani and other key members of President Trump’s outside legal team won’t be attending today’s meeting with two Michigan lawmakers because they’ve been exposed to the coronavirus,” Axios reports.
“This added turmoil inside the president’s legal operation comes at a time when the president is urging Republican state lawmakers to interfere with the electoral process and reverse Joe Biden’s victory to a Trump win.”
Peggy Noonan echoed my opinion.
I found myself thinking this week of the 1960s and the John Birch Society, which had some power in its day as an anticommunist movement whose core belief was that officials of the U.S. government were conspiring with international communism to take down America. They were pretty wild. In time they accused Dwight D. Eisenhower, president of the United States and hero of Normandy, of being a secret communist agent.
Rising conservative leaders, embarrassed by the Birchers, didn’t wish to see their movement tainted. They also didn’t want to alienate voters who sympathized with the Birchers: Every movement has its nuts. Russell Kirk, Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley pushed back, the last calling the head of the society, Robert Welch, “far removed from common sense.” Even Ayn Rand joined in: Thinking the country’s woes were due to a communist conspiracy “is childishly naive and superficial.” Anyway, “they are not for capitalism but merely against communism.”
The John Birch Society faded because all these conservative leaders, and more, sort of congealed and took the larger weight of their movement in other directions. And so modern conservatism was born as pretty much a healthy movement, and not pretty much a sick one.
I’ve been thinking about all this because of the question: What would have happened if the John Birch Society had been online, if it had existed in the internet age when accusations, dark warnings and violent talk can rip through a country in a millisecond and anonymous voices can whip things up for profit or pleasure?
It wouldn’t have faded. It would have prospered.
We’ve all decried this aspect of the internet for 20 years; our alarm about its ability to enable and encourage extremism is so old, we forget to keep feeling it. But we’ll look back on this time as one in which the least responsible among us shook big foundations.
Responsible Republican leaders ought to congeal and address the fact that what rough faith and trust we have in the system is being damaged. Which means our ability to proceed as a healthy democracy is being damaged.
There is no realistic route to victory for the president, only to confusion and chaos and undermining. He is not going to find the votes in recounts to win the election. Dominion, the voting-machine company under attack, has not been credibly charged with doing anything wrong. As the Journal said this week in an editorial, “Strong claims need strong proof, not rumors and innuendo on Twitter. ”
The irony is that this election will be remembered for the president’s attempts to sow chaos, not for what it actually appears to have been, which is a triumph for America. In the middle of a pandemic, with new rules, there was historically high turnout. Under stress the system worked. Voters were committed, trusting, and stood in line for hours. There was no violence at the polls, no serious charges of voter suppression. In a time of legitimate hacking fears, there were no reports of foreign interference. Our defenses held. On top of all that, the outcome was moderate: for all the strife and stress of recent years, the split decision amounted to a reassertion of centrism.
You’d think the president would take his winnings and go home, because he had them. He outperformed polls and exceeded his 2016 vote total by more than 10 million. For one brief shining moment, on Nov. 3, he’d finally expanded his base to almost 50% of the electorate. He found new sources of support.
Imagine if he’d acted even remotely normal in his first term, if he’d had the intellectual, emotional and spiritual resources to moderate himself, to act respectably. Heck, imagine if he’d worn a mask. He might have won.
He is set on going out like a villain. He and his people would find this Jacksonian—he’s refusing to bow to entrenched establishments! He would think this is what his base wants—the old battler refusing to accept the illicit judgments of a decadent elite.
If he were clever and disciplined, he’d do it differently. He’d accept the election’s outcome, if not graciously at least with finality, go home to Mar-a-Lago, play golf, and have fun torturing his party by plotting his return. “I’ll be back.”
Instead he leaves behind real and politically pointless ruin.
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Peggy Noonan echoed my opinion.
correction -
you PARROT everyone else's opinion on the left.
you haven't had an original thought since you were a fucking child.
Al Gore litigated for 5 weeks. Even Trump has the same rights.
"...the president is urging Republican state lawmakers to interfere with the electoral process and reverse Joe Biden’s victory to a Trump win.”
The chance for that last to happen is zero to zilch to none.
And that in spite of the legitimate concerns that, as Peggy Noonan points out, we should all have -- all of us who still cherish honesty and truthfulness and decency in government.
James , stop throwing a hissy fit.
Your Husband (clearly the man in your relationship) would be ashamed of you.
What is Alky wrong about today.
Georgia Certifies Election Results Declaring Biden President-Elect.
Al Gore litigated for 5 weeks. Even Trump has the same rights.
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Gore asked for recounts but did not make wild, unfounded accusations. "Even Trump" does not have the right to go on making wild, unfounded accusations that keep getting rejected by the courts.
My lovely wife is laughing at the ignored troll.
100% Reporting.
Claudia Tenney,Female, Republican leads by 11,000 votes.
So yet another House seat for Republicans.
2022, The US House goes Red.
I have been objective in my entire life.
I started reading about science in grade school. My mother went to the public library at least once a week. I was a curious kid who read hours every day, instead of playing with the friends in the neighborhood. Today they would call me a nerd.
How are your kids James?
Hope they are healthy.
The pressor with Joe and the Hoe was funny.
The media directed questions to the next Pres. Commie Harris, right under Joe's nose.
Update: Giuliani's son, who works in the White House, is coronavirus positive. He was at the impeached Trump lawyer insane press conf yesterday.
"Rudy Giuliani and other key members of President Trump's outside legal team won't be attending today's meeting with two Michigan lawmakers because they've been exposed to the coronavirus,
...another campaign attorney is planning to attend the White House meeting in place of the COVID-infected members of the Giuliani legal team."
https://www.axios.com/trump-giuliani-white-house-michigan-covid-abbbbcf3-e415-4d9d-8911-427be7b645b1.html/
I hope Chris is 100% Right.
"FNC’s Wallace: ‘The Squad’ Will ‘Have a Lot of Clout in the House’"
The Great "Reset" is about to happen as Harris takes office on Jan. 20th, 2021.
Giuliani's son positive.
And now, Don Jr. has tested positive.
Neglected to wear a mask?
Michigan Lawmakers Not Persuaded by Trump
6:52 pm EST
Michigan’s top Republican lawmakers said Friday after a meeting with President Trump at the White House that they have not seen any information that would change President-Elect Joe Biden’s victory in the state, a blow to the president’s efforts to undermine the election results, the Washington Post reports.
In a statement, they vowed not to interfere with the certification process that is expected to be finalized on Monday.
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