Friday, November 6, 2020

Election fraud? Sure. Systemic election fraud that stole the election from Donald Trump? Probably not.

 Let's start with the fact that there is plenty of evidence of outright election fraud. People who have been dead for close to 20 years do not send mail in ballots to election officials, and whoever "did" send them in actually committed fraud. One person is only allowed to vote once. Voting in two locations is fraud. An election official that counts a ballot that they know to be illegal is actually fraud. Many people are convicted of election fraud in almost every election, and there will likely be a few in this one as well.

But at this point there is no firm evidence of the sort of systemic fraud that would allow complete states to be stolen. Certainly not when we are talking about thousands, if not tens of thousands of votes. Sure, there are some oddities that seem to require some explanation, but nothing glaring that will likely be found. 

As a person who troubleshoots and looks for the "root cause" of issues, my brain works in a manner that sort of points out anomalies for me. I am quite literally trained to see things that look unusual or might be a problem. I am also quite literally trained to look for patterns of behavior that might point to something that can be a root cause of a problem. 

While I see some anomalies and some patterns from state to state that seems a little fishy, one has to believe that our system is set up as such to not allow serious widespread fraud. I have enough faith in the system to believe that between a natural anomaly and a conspiracy that I am going to tend to believe that it was the former, unless the latter can be proven. 

What I do see is several states where Donald Trump appeared to overperform in the vast majority of the counties, but saw massive issues with one or two counties that showed incredible results for Joe Biden that simply was not seen anywhere else in that state. Results that all by themselves delivered the entire state for Joe Biden (eg: Dane County in Wisconsin).  If a particular demographic shows a drastic difference in one county, you would expect to see that same drastic difference across the board. But in these cases the drastic difference seemed limited to happening within a particular county line. 

Most of the explanations for these anomalies are the classics. It was easier to vote because of mail in ballots. More Democrats took advantage. There was more motivation. But none of those explanations are able to define why it only happened in one or two counties.

While these are the sorts of things that conspiracy theories are made of, you have to believe in the checks and balances of the reporting, accounting, security, and transparency of the counting and results. That being said, it doesn't provide anyone with a sense of security when some of those same counties were having to be sued to allow the required transparency, and spend much of the time counting without supervision (or in some cases literally behind doors). 

The second portion of all of this is that sometimes things look fishy, we get something in our heads, and we can't let go of it. It seems like the most reasonable explanation to us at the time, so instead of investigating with an open mind, we decide to go into the situation attempting to prove our theory correct. Trust me when I say that I have wasted hours on clients who come to me with an issue that they are "sure" that they have the root cause, when they are completely off track. Getting them to step away from their assumptions can be more difficult than actually solving the problem. But you have to do so because you can also never solve a problem if you spend all your time beating your dead horse assumption. 

In terms of this sort of election type situation, emotions run high. The more emotional we are about something, the less logical we are (just watch an emotional liberal try to argue logically). So when something happens where we are emotionally attached such as an important election, we will tend to get more emotional (thus less logical). We have often times take a step back and force some logic to the forefront or we can get caught up on the emotional arguments which lead to the exact beating of dead horse assumptions that we have not been able to prove.

All that being said, while I find it unlikely...  I wouldn't be completely shocked if there was some systemic fraud at some level eventually uncovered, given the intensity of the situation and the opportunities allowed by the multiple manners of people voting this year. Mail in voting is quite obviously more prone to fraud than in person voting will be. My mail in ballot has to be physically checked by another person and I am trusting a third party will then scan it for me without any manipulation. But my in person ballot is in my possession until I physically put it in the ballot scanner and it is then counted by the machine. 

Now if something were to be found, I wouldn't expect it to be something nefarious like people manufacturing ballots and scanning them (although anything is possible). More likely it would be a situation where certain "rules" were not followed that allowed certain votes to be counted that were not legal. If enough rules were ignored with enough ballots, then that could certainly make up for some of these difference we have seen. It might even turn a state like Georgia (where we are looking at a few hundred or maybe a couple of thousand ballots). But unless we are running up against the biggest election conspiracy the world has ever known, there is no fraudulent conspiracy that will allow us to explain away tens of thousands of votes. 

55 comments:

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Maybe this is Ch's first grudgingly small step back toward a sanity that may lead him to attempt to do something to redeem a political party that he has joined in following a clownish pied piper would-be-dictator into incredible stupidities and inexcusable actions.

HOWEVER, to say that this is as objective an article as it should be is to say too much: otherwise, this sentence:
(just watch an emotional liberal try to argue logically)
would have been balanced by
(just watch an emotional conservative try to argue logically).

We have seen that anomaly all too often in the person of this board's own overseer.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

We actually pretty much agree.

To get tens of thousands of fake ballots into blue states, to defeat the President, is physically impossible, without being visible.

I got a kick out of what you said The more emotional we are about something, the less logical we are (just watch an emotional liberal try to argue logically). .

On the conservative side, we see anger at liberals and anyone who doesn't like the President. I called it Trumpism syndrome. πŸŽƒ

I have struggled with anger for my life! But I seriously try to separate my emotions from my political beliefs, and observation of behavior.

I can't go into detail, but several times over my life, I have met a few people, I just saw something wasn't right. One example was a niece had a bf. He was charged and convicted for theft!

I will add one more comment, you are not supporting the President's attempt to steal the election.

Let's make the blog a bit more rational and less conspiracy centered discussions.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

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Caliphate4vr said...

Hillary Clinton: 'Trump Must Stop Fueling Dangerous Conspiracy Theories About Our Elections Being Unfair'

WASHINGTON, D.C.—After escaping from her underground padded room designed to look like the Oval Office, Hillary Clinton called on Trump to concede the race and stop fueling conspiracy theories about the election being unfair.

The woman who has screamed about Russia stealing the election from her in 2016 lashed out at Trump for saying voter fraud stole the election from him in 2020.

"He is undermining faith in our democracy!" she shouted as she ran from aides, having gotten out of the underground bunker cleverly designed to make her think she is president. "What if people listen to him? Their trust in our systems will be eroded!"

"Haha. HAHAHA. HHAHAHAHHA!!!" she cried. An aide tried to tackle her, but she nimbly dodged out of the way [satire] while screaming that he is a Russian agent. "Get away from me, servant of Putin!" she shouted.

Finally, they were able to take her down with a large net designed for giant lizards.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The RNC has filed a suit to stop counting ballots after the election day.

JamesNewLeaf's Fucking Daddy said...

Robby Starbuck
@robbystarbuck

One Michigan county clerk caught a glitch in tabulation software so they hand counted votes and found the glitch caused 6,000 votes to go to Biden + Democrats that were meant for Trump and Republicans. 47 MI counties used this software. All must check now!

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1324783531139235841


odd how these always go to democrats...

long way from over CHT

data mining going on to trace dead votes and the like.

Who wants to bet the dead vote doesn't go to Biden too ???

and apparently (I haven't verified) the Biden only vote was staggering. Will be interesting to compare to Hillary only and Trump only...

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Zeynep Tufekci:
America’s Next Authoritarian May Be More Competent
2:31 pm

“It’s not that Trump is completely without talent. His rallies effectively let him bond with his base, and test out various messages with the crowd that he would then amplify everywhere. He has an intuitive understanding of the power of attention, and he played the traditional media like a fiddle—they benefited from his antics, which they boosted. He also clearly sensed the political moment in 2016, and managed to navigate his way into the presidency, though that probably had more to do with instinct than with deep planning.

“Luck aside, though, Trump is not good at his job. He doesn’t even seem to like it much. He is too undisciplined and thin-skinned to be effective at politics over a sustained period, which involves winning repeated elections. He seems to have been as surprised as anyone else that he won in 2016. While he hates the loser branding that will follow him now, he’s probably fine with the outcome—especially since he can blame it on fantastical conspiracies involving theft or ballot-stuffing or the courts—as long as he can figure out how to escape the criminal trials that are certainly coming his way. (A self-pardon? A negotiated pardon? He will try something.)

“Trump ran like a populist, but he lacked the political talent or competence to govern like an effective one.”

______

We are glad he was not as successful as his hero Hitler (whose speeches he used to admiringly read from a book by his bedside.)

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It would reverse the results from any state that has been counting ballots since November 3rd.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

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C.H. Truth said...

odd how these always go to democrats...

Sure... that is certainly a pattern. Almost every election "error" ends up favoring a Democrat. The one election that was "truly stolen" was Al Franken here in Minnesota.

They were able to get certain ballots thrown out for Coleman that had been counted for Franken. They got a Judge to agree that they could count ballots that they did not have any physical proof ever existed (by using a previous count that was higher than the number people who signed in to vote).

Literally "every" decision by the SOS (a Democrat) went for Franken and against Coleman. Every court decision went the same way. Whether they wanted more ballots or less ballots... didn't matter. Every time if favored Franken.


and yeah... when was the last time you saw a precinct report 23,000 votes for a Republican and none for a Democrat?

Myballs said...

Is anyone asking what the hell is taking Alaska so damn long to count votes? They're only at 50%.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

The Atlantic
Trump Moves Into the Burn-It-Down Phase
Russell Berman 16 hrs ago

President Donald Trump tonight raised the threat of a constitutional crisis to a new level. He issued an extraordinary series of baseless charges about the election he is on the verge of losing—that Democrats were stealing the vote, that the media had deliberately released “phony polls” to suppress Republican turnout, that “corrupt” officials in Detroit and Philadelphia were finding Democratic ballots to whittle away his supposed lead.

They were shocking things for a sitting president to say. He promised “a lot of litigation” and held out hope that the Supreme Court, now with a 6–3 conservative majority thanks to his appointments, would save him. But despite his fighting words, his body language betrayed a far different tone. He read from a prepared statement on his lectern, barely looking up at the cameras, his voice a flat monotone devoid of the verve he deploys to whip thousands of people into a frenzy at his rallies. The president’s most devout loyalists respond best to his energy, to the high-decibel passion, and occasionally indignant anger, that he brings to the stump. This speech contained none of that. Trump is a showman who prizes presentation above everything else, who watches his interviews with the sound off, who critiques appearances with precision, who famously mocks his opponents as “sleepy” and “low energy.” When Trump goes back to watch his performance tonight, he’ll see a salesman who wasn’t selling.

What matters, of course, is not what Trump says, or how he says it, but what he does—and what his supporters do at his behest.

Trump gave the speech his opponents had been fearing, one that signaled he might use the considerable tools at his disposal—the machinery of government, willing Republican allies, compliant conservative courts—to hold on to power and thwart the will of the voters. Trump might well pursue that course, but his argument was largely nonsensical, and his complaints about the late counting of mail-in ballots—as stale as they are at this point—stem from dynamics his own allies created. The health risk of the pandemic led to the surge in interest in voting by mail, and Trump’s attacks on the practice’s integrity resulted in a huge partisan skew in the people who availed themselves of that option. In states such as Pennsylvania, Democrats begged the Republicans who control the legislature to allow county officials to begin counting those early ballots before Election Day to ensure a prompt result, as they do in GOP-led states such as Florida, which Trump won. But those lawmakers refused.

On Fox News, John Roberts described Trump’s remarks as the words of a man who was losing and trying to hold on to power. Even the loyal New York Post described the president as “downcast” and his charges as “baseless.” The talkers on CNN were even more withering: Jake Tapper deemed the appearance a disgrace. “We knew the president wasn’t going to lose gracefully, if he lost,” he told viewers. “But frankly, watching him flail like this is just pathetic.” Trump’s lone nominal defender on the network, former Senator Rick Santorum, said the president’s accusations were without merit and “dangerous.” Anderson Cooper likened the president to “an obese turtle on his back, flailing in the hot sun.”

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...


GOP lawmakers weren’t buying it either. Senator Mitt Romney of Utah, the lone Republican to vote to remove the president from office earlier this year, tweeted, “Counting every vote is at the heart of democracy.” The soon-to-be governor of his state, Spencer Cox, urged Americans not to believe “unfounded allegations that destroy trust in the process.” Representative Will Hurd of Texas said the president’s speech was “not only dangerous and wrong, it undermines the very foundation this nation was built upon.”

Despite Trump’s lack of punch, there was—as Santorum noted—still danger in his message. If the election has demonstrated anything, it is that there are millions of Americans who hang on to the president’s every word, and who, even if he eventually vacates the White House, will believe that his defeat was fraudulent. Among conservatives, there is already talk of asking Republicans in the Pennsylvania state legislature to overrule the popular will and submit their own electors on Trump’s behalf. (A top GOP lawmaker in the state has reiterated, through a spokesman, that they will not do that.) Asked whether Republicans in the state should “invalidate” the election, Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina replied: “I think everything should be on the table.” TRAITOR! Trump’s supporters haven’t stormed the streets en masse, but they have gathered outside election offices in Detroit, Philadelphia, and elsewhere to protest the counting of legitimate ballots. The registrar of Clark County, Nevada, Joe Gloria, told reporters today that he was “concerned for the safety of my staff.”

The president gave no indication that he cared about any of that. As he was speaking tonight, the tallies that could spell his defeat kept coming in—another few thousand votes for Joe Biden in Georgia and, shortly thereafter, a few thousand shaved off Trump’s shrinking lead in Pennsylvania. The president seemed to know the end was coming. As he slunk away, a reporter shouted after him: “Are you being a sore loser?” Trump ignored him and left the room.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Chicago probably stole the election in 1960. Nixon didn't dispute

Anonymous said...

Noticing the intolerance of the Socialist Democrats.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Ch agreed with Romney

But Trump “is wrong to say the election was rigged, corrupt and stolen,″ Romney said on Twitter. Trump’s claim ”damages the cause of freedom here and around the world ... and recklessly inflames destructive and dangerous passions,″ Romney said.

Romney's comments came as GOP Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania — whose state is a key battleground in the presidential election, where votes are still being tallied — called Trump's claim of fraud “very disturbing.”

"There’s simply no evidence anyone has shown me of any widespread corruption or fraud," Toomey told "CBS This Morning."

“The president’s speech last night was very disturbing to me because he made very, very serious allegations without any evidence to support it," said Toomey.

Anonymous said...

"a reporter shouted"

Jim Accousta

JamesNewLeaf's Fucking Daddy said...


and yeah... when was the last time you saw a precinct report 23,000 votes for a Republican and none for a Democrat?

Is the unit of measure for that a trunk full ?

My guess is if Biden holds on and assumes the presidency the next day AOC or one of her operatives suddenly discovers there is a scandal with the Bidens foreign money stream and demands he step down or is investigated. Or something else found on Hunter's laptops...

You know the knives will be coming out to get him to step aside... Unless he serves a better purpose for China.

C.H. Truth said...

Is anyone asking what the hell is taking Alaska so damn long to count votes? They're only at 50%.

They are using Malamutes for their sled dogs rather than Huskies... much slower process of delivering the ballots to the proper places.

Anonymous said...




ah yes...

i am SO looking forward to an endless stream of this shit 24/7/365 all across America.and all with the tacit approval of Preezy Joe an da Ho:


Protests in Portland once again turned violent Thursday night as protesters targeted a city commissioner's home and then set fire to the Portland City Hall, according to the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office.

A group of around 60 people gathered at a North Portland park Thursday night and then left the area around 8:45 p.m. local time, marching toward the home of Portland City Commissioner Dan Ryan.

Once there, authorities said protesters broke a window, threw burning flares and paint-filled balloons at the home and broke potted plants. Police then moved to disperse the crowd.


https://www.yahoo.com/gma/protesters-portland-target-city-commissioners-111319678.html


Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

The View from Latin America
3:52 pm
The lead story from Colombia’s Publimetro newspaper on the U.S. presidential election is headlined: “Who’s the banana republic now?”
________

Trump will leave us with a lot to live down for years and years.


AXIOS/FairVote:
It’s Nearly Impossible for Trump to Win Thru Recounts
3:50 pm
“The Trump campaign says it will seek recounts in several key states, but that’s highly unlikely to change the outcome.

“Statewide recounts have historically only changed electoral margins by an average 430 votes, according to the nonpartisan election reform group FairVote. Joe Biden’s lead in several states is thin, but it’s not that thin.”

Anonymous said...



and yeah... when was the last time you saw a precinct report 23,000 votes for a Republican and none for a Democrat?


oh c'mon man!

you mean to tell me you've never flipped a coin 23,000 times and gotten heads every time???

LOL.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The last time the Republicans stole the election was in 2000.

Media organizations[3][4][5] later analyzed the ballots and found that, under any considered criteria, the originally pursued, limited county-based recounts would have confirmed a Bush victory, whereas a state-wide recount would have revealed a Gore victory. 

You also said that
 a precinct report 23,000 was for a precinct that was not the entire number of votes in the precinct.
I proved it then.


Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

QAnon Follower Already Fighting with GOP Colleague

Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), the QAnon follower who is now a newly-elected member of Congress, is already fighting with Rep. Ben Crenshaw (R-TX) after she took a whack at his tweet that she felt was not supportive enough of President Trump.

Crenshaw responded: “Did you even read past the first sentence? Or are you just purposely lying so you can talk tough? No one said give up. I literally said investigate every irregularity and use the courts. You’re a member of Congress now, Marjorie. Start acting like one.”

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Use the courts! So say I to all you Ch Truthers! If you can't even get the courts to take up your cases, pipe down, roll up your sleeves, and start helping us restore America to her previous greatness.

Anonymous said...



The lead story from Colombia’s Publimetro newspaper on the U.S. presidential election is headlined: “Who’s the banana republic now?”

LOL!

absolutely perfect!

and we've even got our own mentally ill dictator-elect and his imelda fucking marcos.

LOL.

saturday night live had better not even TRY to out-funny what's coming.

Anonymous said...



Media organizations[3][4][5] later analyzed the ballots and found that, under any considered criteria, the originally pursued, limited county-based recounts would have confirmed a Bush victory, whereas a state-wide recount would have revealed a Gore victory.

two things alky -

one, "media organizations" are fucking meaningless and worthless to this conversation. as much as truckers, diesel mechanics, or professional poker players.

the media is scum. and they certainly had no set of skills that made them experts in the world of hanging fucking chads.

two, gore didn't want a state-wide recount. he wanted a cherry picking al franken type of "oh look marge! there's yet ANOTHER box o' ballots in the trunk of that car!" recount.

also, winning his home state solves the whole problem before it even IS a problem, but those of his home state thought him to be just as big a fucking asshole as the rest of us thought him to be.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The rrb said that Democrats are socialist and communis . That is not true.

But the soon to be ex President has some serious lunatics who love him.


Armed QAnon follower arrested in alleged Philly convention center threat linked to far-right Va. senator



Philadelphia police say they are investigating an alleged plot to attack the Pennsylvania Convention Center in Philadelphia connected to a Hummer parked nearby.

The men arrested over an alleged threat to Philly’s ballot counting center have been linked to a far-right group that provided security to Virginia state Senator Amanda Chase, a Republican Trump supporter and challenger in next year’s gubernatorial election.

Philadelphia police arrested the two individuals Thursday night outside the Pennsylvania Convention Center after receiving a tip, according to a press release.

Charges against the suspects are not yet known, but at least two armed men were detained outside the facility after police determined they did not hold valid Pennsylvania gun licenses. District Attorney Larry Krasner described potential firearms violations and said more detail would be released Friday afternoon.

Also Thursday night, the PPD impounded a distinctive silver Hummer with Virginia plates and decals promoting the right-wing conspiracy theory known as QAnon.



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/whyy.org/articles/armed-qanon-follower-arrested-in-alleged-philly-convention-center-threat-linked-to-far-right-va-senator/amp/

C.H. Truth said...

Media organizations[3][4][5] later analyzed the ballots and found that, under any considered criteria, the originally pursued, limited county-based recounts would have confirmed a Bush victory, whereas a state-wide recount would have revealed a Gore victory.

Well there were several studies... and under the order that was provided by the FSSC to do the recount, each county had their own set of rules to abide by. Under those circumstances, Bush actually would have gained votes (as Gore had already requested and asked for recounts in his main counties, Dade, Broward, etc).

Pretty much under every circumstance but one... where a standardized statewide recount counting everything that possibly might have been counted (even those that were legally not valid)... Bush still won. But the hacks continue to suggest that their own personal review of ballots (the one manner that Gore won) is a legitimate manner to determine a winner.

Sorry... not how it works.


Count every LEGAL ballot. Throw out every ILLEGAL ballot.

Easy enough for most people.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

The rrb said that Democrats are socialist and communis . That is not true.


it IS true. and i didn't say it. Bernie, AOC, et. al SAID IT. and boy, are they ever going to be feeling emboldened NOW. LOL.

Armed QAnon follower arrested in alleged Philly convention center threat linked to far-right Va. senator


ooh.

ONE guy. ONE GUY???

LOL.

tens of thousands of antifa black LIES matter scumbags can burn loot and murder their way through city after city across America, but one guy with that spooky alleged 'Q' (LOL) association is public fucking enemy number one.

hey alky, have you guys found 'umbrella man' yet?

LOL.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You represent the Trump era alternate reality universe.

Most journalists are good honest people. You, for example completely trust Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh to be honest,non partisan reporters.

In  terms of this sort of election type situation, emotions and anger, your conservative beliefs have removed your ability to make rational decisions

Myballs said...

Ya know, the truth is, many gop Washington insiders really don't mind if Biden gets in. It will be much easier for them to run for president if Trump is not the 8 year incumbent. And Biden is not likely to run for a 2nd term. I think that is why so few Republicans have had anything to say about the presidential election.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Your own personal opinions affect your judgment on politics.

We will never know what the recount would have revealed.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Communism is there are no private businesses, stores or restaurants or religious organizations.

The liberal Democrats don't support anything like that. Your ignorance is of epic proportions .

C.H. Truth said...

Most journalists are good honest people. You, for example completely trust Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh to be honest,non partisan reporters.

Nobody in their right mind believes that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are anything but entertainers. They are both as partisan as it gets, and I take EVERYTHING they say with a grain of salt.

The fact that you actually believe there is such a thing as an independent non-partisan journalist who covers politics without a personal bias... is on you. Don't project that on other people.

Most of us are smart enough to understand that while Hannity, Carlson, Limbaugh and gang make plenty of good points, it's all designed to get viewers or listeners as much as anything else.


Unlike you Rog.... I make up my own mind, without having to have a journalist tell me how to think.

Caliphate4vr said...

Well some good news, kid was just selected for USA Rugby South to go to New Orleans next week and play their pro team NOLA Gold.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

"Throw out every ILLEGAL ballot."

Trump wants that to be every mailed in ballot.

Tucker Carlson said...

I am formally proclaiming my intention to run for President in 2024.

I chose this location because the people here will say, think or do that I tell them what to do .

God Bless America and I promise you to guarantee the safety of the Mexican Border to keep the beaners from raping and killing caucasian people!

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

The fact that you actually believe there is such a thing as an independent non-partisan journalist who covers politics without a personal bias...

True, every journalist has biases. We all do. But there are journalists who are interested in reporting things that, objectively considered and examined, are demonstrably true and fact-based, not based on lies and distortions.

Most of us are smart enough to understand that while Hannity, Carlson, Limbaugh and gang make plenty of good points, it's all designed to get viewers or listeners as much as anything else.

Not everyone is smart enough to understand that Hannity, Carlson, Limbaugh and gang knowingly skew and distort the truth and tell plenty of out and out lies in their commitment to certain political figures and ideologies.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

3:45 To whoever wrote that: thumbs up!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scott, I don't demand journalist to make up my mind.

If I believe that they are credible I might use the information to make up my mind about issues and policies. But they don't tell me what to think.

C.H. Truth said...

True, every journalist has biases. We all do. But there are journalists who are interested in reporting things that, objectively considered and examined, are demonstrably true and fact-based, not based on lies and distortions.

Actually every journalist uses lies and distortion.

If you believe differently, then you are simply falling for it... or more likely you just really really really want to believe the lies and distortions. You know like the old "good people on both sides" lie/distortion.

How many times have you defended that?

anonymous said...


Nobody in their right mind believes that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are anything but entertainers

Tell that to the millions of R's who hang on every one of their words and think they are gods.....just you saying you think they are entertainers don't mean shit to the believers!!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

James, no, they don't actually believe there is such a thing as an independent non-partisan journalist who covers politics without a personal bias.

Dictators have discredited journalists, by claiming that non of them provide information, without personal beliefs.

In their minds that even Bob Woodward is credible. That is what leads them to believe the President about everything, even like medicine and science.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scott, seriously do you really believe
Actually every journalist uses lies and distortion.


I don't believe that good people lie and,or distort. Good people don't lie and distort. That's the major reason why I don't like the President.

C.H. Truth said...

If I believe that they are credible I might use the information to make up my mind about issues and policies.

If you did enough research to make any real attempt to fact check their credibility, then you would already have your answer and not have to use their information (because you would know it better).

Sounds more like you simply pick and choose who you trust and then you listen to those people.

anonymous said...

Very interesting NY Post piece of the first lady.........BWAAAAAAAAAAAQA!!!!

https://nypost.com/2016/08/01/melania-trumps-girl-on-girl-photos-from-racy-shoot-revealed/

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scott, Actually every journalist uses lies and distortion. is why you trust the President about everything.

That kind of thinking leads people to follow dictators in history.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scott, you simply pick and choose who you trust and then you listen to those people.

If I find a person who I trust, doesn't make up my mind. I make my own decisions.

Maybe you really can't get it.

You have decided to believe that there is a deep state conspiracy, in government and the free press, to destroy the Orange Monster! That is satire kind of.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

We all come to decisions. Human beings have created the civilised world. But we are not perfect.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

My prediction.

BIDEN 338
TRUMP 213
Mr. President Trump
YOU'RE
FIRED
πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ

Unless Arizona goes to President

anonymous said...

Seems like a landslide to me....!!!!!!

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