Mail in ballot rejection rate:
- Georgia: 2020 (0.2%) vs 2016 (6.4%)
- Pennsylvania: 2020 (0.02%) vs 2016 (1%)
- North Carolina: 2020 (0.8%) vs 2016 (2.7%)
- Michigan: 2020 (0.1%) vs 2016 (0.5%)
The national average for all previous elections is just over 1% for a typical voter and for first time mail in voters that rejection rate is approximately 3%. But yet, we saw almost no rejection rate in any of the Battleground states. You see these four states are all under the 1% average (as was Wisconsin) and in the case of Pennsylvania only one ballot out of every 5000 were rejected, when we might have expected more like 100 ballots out of 5000 to be rejected given the number of new mail in voters.
Now many people are pointing to certain rules that would have allowed voters to "cure" ballots that would have previously been tossed out, but those rules were limited to obvious things and only available or new to some of these states. Certainly none of that explains the fact that with millions more first time mail in voters and millions of more chances to screw things up, that less people did.
To put this in perspective, in Georgia there were 1.3 million mail in votes. If the same number of votes were rejected as had happened in 2016, there would have been about 85,000 ballots rejected. Just a typical election year (not specific to Georgia) would have seen about 26,000 ballots rejected. As it were, they rejected only about 2600 ballots.
In Pennsylvania there were over 2.5 million ballots sent in by mail. Under normal circumstances you would have expected somewhere in the vicinity of 50,000 ballots rejected (based on the number of previous vs new mail in voters) and instead they only rejected about 500 ballots. That sort of insanely small rejection rate cannot be explained by instruction or otherwise being able to have people "cure" their obvious errors.
Now we don't know that "cured" ballots in this case were the deciding factor in most of these races. Trump trails in Pennsylvania by nearly 62000 votes, so it's up in the air whether or not this would have been the issue. We would have to see where these ballots were rejected and where ballots were "not" rejected before we make that sort of assumption. But it's very likely the difference maker in Georgia and quite possibly Wisconsin, where the races were closer and depended on large mail in votes from one or two specific counties (where you might otherwise expect a lot of missing information or improperly filled out ballots).
Lastly, there is going to be a philosophical debate about whether or not low ballot rejection is bad (even if it was achieved through the idea of working outside of the laws). Some will argue that the ends justifies the means in terms of simply "counting all the votes" without knowing for sure if those votes were or were not actually valid or otherwise legal. Others will argue rule of law and the idea that every fraudulent or illegal vote counted disenfranchises one vote that is legally cast. That debate will rage on longer than this election.
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Tucker Carlson said that you are full of shit
Fox News host Tucker Carlson is apologizing to viewers for mistakenly reporting that a dead person in Georgia had voted in the Nov. 3 presidential election.
“We got some good news tonight — and an apology,” Carlson said on his Friday edition of Tucker Carlson Tonight. “One of the people who voted in last week’s election isn’t dead. James Blalock is still dead; we told you about him. But it was his wife who voted. She voted as Mrs. James Blalock. It's old-fashioned and we missed it."
He continued, “A whole bunch of dead people did vote — we showed you their names, we proved it — but James Blalock was not among them. So apologies for that. Of course, we’re always going to correct when we’re wrong. And we were.”
Because the election in 2016 drew a lot of attention, the Republican attorneys general in Pennsylvania, Michigan and the Democratic attorney general in Wisconsin implemented much more security measures. And because of the pandemic they had very careful methods of counting votes. Each of the states you noted had observers from both parties watching the vote counting people.
Should we implement more secure solutions to keep both sides confident in the future elections.
But I'm still troubled by your trying to call doubt on the outcome of the election. This is the foundation of our republic.
If I saw credible evidence of fraud, I would be standing beside you.
Not one single state government have seen any fraud.
Should we implement more secure solutions to keep both sides confident in the future elections?
Absolutely!
I know you like some sites like American Greatness
But this shit should bother you!
https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/12/if-all-the-fraud-is-uncovered-trump-will-win/
He endorsed a dictatorship.
. If the Supreme Court ends up deciding this debacle, and Trump wins, and the Left goes berserk—even more berserk than they’ve gone so far in the streets of Portland and Seattle and Minneapolis and so on—then let them go berserk. Let’s see how angry Joy Behar and Rosie O’Donnell and Bette Midler can get. Let’s see how self-righteous Colbert and Kimmel and Maher can get. Let’s see how many windows the Antifa and BLM thugs can break, how many fires they can set.
Trump will still be president, and he won’t feel constrained in his response to any of them.
He just tweeted this!
.@FoxNews and the Fake News Networks aren’t showing these massive gatherings. Instead they have their reporters standing in almost empty streets. We now have SUPPRESSION BY THE PRESS. MAGA!
TWO LAWYERS WHO STILL DISAGREE ON BUSH VS. GORE, AGREE THAT BIDEN WON THIS ELECTION
Bush v. Gore Lawyers Say Biden Won
4:49 pm
David Boies and Ted Olson represented the opposing sides in Bush v. Gore in 2000 and have written a Washington Post op-ed:
“We still don’t agree about how the Supreme Court ruled, but we completely agree that nothing in that case — or in the Supreme Court’s decision — supports the challenges now being thrown about in an attempt to undermine President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.
“Yet, over the past week, we have heard repeated assertions that the outcome of this election is somehow in doubt, as it was in 2000.
“It is not. Biden will be president. There are many areas of policy on which we disagree. But no matter how you voted in this election, that is the clear outcome. The nation’s laws and shared values dictate that Americans now unite to support democracy, national security, the public trust in institutions and the urgent work of the next administration.”
Alky Triggered and angry.
Damn, when Trump won we celebrated.
The Three Socialist Stooges are so angry.
lol WE LAUGH at Ch, ever clutching at straws.
40% Still Plan Large Gatherings for Thanksgiving
4:51 pm
A new Ohio State University poll finds nearly 40% of U.S. residents plan to participate in gatherings of 10 or more people this holiday season despite concerns over the spread of COVID-19.
In addition, one-third of respondents said they wouldn’t ask attendees at holiday parties with family or friends to wear masks, and just over 25% indicated that they wouldn’t practice social distancing.
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They better start calculating how many people they're going to allow at each of the funerals.
The BBC might be fake information
BBC Reality Check
Donald Trump's supporters have claimed that thousands of votes were cast in the US election using the names of people who had died.
"I may be 72," Maria Arredondo from Michigan told us when we called her. "But I'm alive and breathing. My mind is working fine and I'm healthy."
Maria said she had voted for Joe Biden and was surprised to hear that her name had appeared on a list of supposedly dead voters in the state.
We spoke to other people in similar situations to that of Maria in Michigan and found similar stories.
There have been occasions in previous US elections of dead people having apparently voted.
This could happen through clerical errors or perhaps other family members with similar names voting with their ballots, but Trump supporters have alleged this has happened on a massive scale at this election.
We set out to find out whether there is evidence for this claim.
10,000 'dead absentee voters' in Michigan?
The story starts with a list of around 10,000 names posted on Twitter by a Trump-supporting activist.
It purports to be of people who have died, but who have also voted in the presidential election in Michigan.
Claims such as this have been repeated many times on different social-media platforms, including by Republican legislators.
The list of 10,000 contains the name, zip code, and the date a ballot was received. It then lists a full date of birth and a full date of death. Some of the people supposedly died more than 50 years ago.
Michigan has a database that lets you enter someone's name, zip code, month of birth and year of birth and allows you to see if they voted by absentee ballot this year. So you can easily check whether people on the list voted.
There are also several US websites that include databases of death records.
But there's a fundamental problem with this list of 10,000.
With an exercise like this you are going to find false matches - somebody born in January 1940 voted in Michigan in the election, and there was somebody born somewhere else in the US in January 1940 who has the same name and is now dead. This will happen a lot in a country as big as the US (328 million people), and particularly with common names.
To test the list, we picked 30 names at random. To this we added the oldest person on the list.
Of this list of 31 names, we managed to speak directly to 11 people (or to a family member, neighbour or care home worker) to confirm they were still alive.
For 17 others, there was no public record of their death, and we found clear evidence that they were alive after the alleged date of death on the list of 10,000. A clear pattern emerged - the wrong records had been joined together to create a false match.
Finally, we found that three people on the list were indeed dead. We examine these cases later.
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image captionPeople took to the streets in Detroit, Michigan, claiming the election results were fraudulent
What we discovered
The first thing we did was to check the official Michigan electoral database to see whether our 31 individuals had sent in ballots - they all had.
We then looked at the death records and quickly became suspicious on seeing that the vast majority did not die in Michigan, but elsewhere in the US.
We wondered whether we could find people of the same name currently living in Michigan.
Checking Michigan state public records, cross-referencing voter postal codes, we were able to find precise dates of birth for those who had voted - and as we had anticipated, they failed to match the dates of birth on the death records.
So we could be confident that we were dealing with two sets of people - those who had voted and those with the same name and age who had died elsewhere.
But what we really wanted to do was to speak to the voters themselves.
'I'm alive!'
We called Roberto Garcia, a retired teacher in Michigan. He told us: "I'm definitely alive and I definitely voted for Biden - I would have to have been dead to vote for Trump."
We also found a 100-year-old woman who, according to the "dead voter" list, had died in 1982. She was alive and is currently living in a nursing home in Michigan.
But the results of our search weren't always so straightforward.
When we looked for another centenarian, who according to the list had died in 1977, we found that she had still been alive when her postal ballot was returned in September. However, a neighbour told us the woman had died just a few weeks ago. We also found a matching obituary from October to confirm this.
If a voter dies before election day after submitting their ballot, the Michigan authorities say the ballot will be rejected.
We have not been able to establish whether her ballot was counted.
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image captionVotes were still being tallied as unproven claims of fraud went viral
For those we couldn't reach by phone, we wanted to use other means to confirm they were alive.
These included public records of, for example, business activities, from state and local authorities.
For one woman who was supposed to have died in 2006 we found an annual company statement signed under her name from January 2020.
Two other men on our list of 31 died some time ago, yet votes had been cast in their names - with the correct postcodes and years of birth - according to the voting database.
We found that for both men, there were sons with the same name currently registered at the same address as their deceased fathers.
In both cases, a ballot was sent in for the dead fathers.
Local election officials told us that one of the votes had been counted but there was no record of the son having voted.
In the other, it was the son who actually voted, but it had been recorded as the father's due to a clerical error.
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image captionMichigan residents came out to celebrate Joe Biden's election success
'It's simply a matter of statistics'
Our selection of 31 cases is only a small sample of the 10,000 names on the list, but it has clearly revealed the flaws in the database shared by Trump supporters.
From our investigation it's clear that in almost all of our 31 test cases, the data for genuine voters in Michigan has been combined with records of dead people with the same name and birth month and year from across the United States to yield false matches.
"If the lists are linked based on name and birth date alone, in a state the size of Michigan, you're guaranteed to get false positives," says Prof Justin Levitt, an expert on the law of democracy.
It's known as the birthday problem - the high probability that two students in the same class share the same birthday.
So if you compare millions of voters in Michigan with a database of deaths across the United States you're bound to find cross-over, particularly if the voter database doesn't include the day of the month on which a person is born.
"It's simply a matter of statistics that if you cross-reference millions of records with millions of other records, you'll get a sizable number of false positive matches. We've seen this before," says Prof Justin Levitt.
With her vote safely cast, and counted, Maria Arredondo tells us she's looking forward to the new administration.
"He was a great vice-president under Obama. I'm so pleased. A weight has lifted off my shoulders."
https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0XdFbyVh?s=a99&pd=06knAsNf&lang=en_US
The MSM has declared that Trump won North Carolina.
He has not tweeted tirade saying it was a scam!
'It's simply a matter of statistics'
Our selection of 31 cases is only a small sample of the 10,000 names on the list, but it has clearly revealed the flaws in the database shared by Trump supporters.
From our investigation it's clear that in almost all of our 31 test cases, the data for genuine voters in Michigan has been combined with records of dead people with the same name and birth month and year from across the United States to yield false matches.
"If the lists are linked based on name and birth date alone, in a state the size of Michigan, you're guaranteed to get false positives," says Prof Justin Levitt, an expert on the law of democracy.
I remember saying this
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.
Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall
Humpty Dumpty had a great fall
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again
Humpty Trumpty…
Ch doesn't want you to see this.
That's why he stopped showing in his sidebar the covid death rates per million in states with Republican governors as opposed to states with Democratic governors.
This shows you the number of cases in states during the last seven days.
On this map, the states in dark blue have had the most cases.
Notice that to a large degree, the map and the list shows "republican" red states with higher rates than "democratic"blue states.
Go to "CDC Covid data tracker"
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fcases-updates%2Fcases-in-us.html#cases_casesper100klast7days
Joe Biden isn't coming to take away your guns, he's coming take 45 away.
18 of the 19 comments on the thread from Roger and James. Boring. Im out.
Yep, too much hate from them.
Bye.
Bye, balls. Sorry you missed this good news.
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Federal Judge Says DACA Rules Invalid
6:31 pm
“A federal judge said Chad Wolf was not legally serving as acting Homeland Security secretary when he signed rules limiting DACA applications and renewals, and those rules are now invalid,” CNN reports.
“Wolf in July issued a memo saying that new applications for DACA, the Obama-era program that shields certain undocumented immigrants from deportation, would not be accepted and renewals would be limited to one year instead of two amid an ongoing review.”
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Much relief and joy among the Dreamers.
MAGA today
20,000 with an average IQ of 87
The people agreed with Scott
During Saturday's "Million MAGA March," demonstrators chanted "Fox News sucks" as they marched to the Capitol in Washington, D.C., in reaction to the network calling the election for President-elect Joe Biden rather than President Donald Trump.
In a video posted to Twitter Saturday afternoon by HuffPost editor Philip Lewis, a group of protesters can be seen waving pro-Trump flags and chanting "Fox News sucks." The video has been watched nearly 2 million times, according to Twitter.
20,000 with an average IQ of 87
I bet an 87 IQ would still do better than a 97 SAT
A mistyped word is irrelevant.
I'm a lot smarter than you can imagine
Nevada still the land of Goldwater and McStain?
Genius.............
Arizona asshole
#MAGA today
20,000 with an average IQ of 87
Opinion by the Washington Post Editorial Board
NO METHOD of blocking the spread of the coronavirus is perfect, but many of them are good. The use of cloth face masks is not a guarantee against broadcasting or receiving the virus, but when combined with other measures such as hand-washing and distancing, it can sharply reduce the spread. That’s why it is entirely wrongheaded for some Republican governors to resist the face mask mandates that President-elect Joe Biden has urged. Thirty-four states and the District have mandated face coverings in public; as the pandemic dangerously escalates, the others should join them.
South Dakota Republican Gov. Kristi L. Noem has resisted making masks mandatory. Politico quotes a spokesperson as saying Ms. Noem has given people full information about the disease and “has trusted them to exercise their personal responsibility to make the best decisions for themselves and their loved-ones.” The virtue of “personal responsibility” is hard to argue with, but what happens when personal responsibility is not enough, and people are endangering others? In Ms. Noem’s state, the test positivity rate is a calamitous 56.4 percent, and new cases are soaring. If government can mandate seat-belt usage to prevent death and injury in car accidents, is it so much more difficult to require people to wear masks that can also save lives?
Republican Gov. Kevin Stitt of Oklahoma said he would not order a mask mandate. “I’ve been very clear that I don’t think that’s the right thing to do. This is a personal responsibility, this pleading with people to do the right thing” and voluntarily wear a mask, Stitt said, adding he would support individual cities that have passed mask mandates. Tulsa Mayor G.T. Bynum said a mandate is necessary because many people would not voluntarily wear one. “We’re still debating if people should wear masks or not in our region, ridiculous,” Mr. Bynum said. “I still can’t find a good policy-based explanation for why we would not [mandate masks].” Oklahoma’s hospitalizations are at record levels for the pandemic, and its test positivity is 19.2 percent.
Republican Gov. Pete Ricketts of Nebraska said at a news briefing that if Mr. Biden “approaches me about a mask mandate, I would not be going along with a mask mandate.” But the governor has urged people to wear them — what would be wrong with taking one more step and mandating face masks? The state’s test positivity rate is 38.4 percent. Six weeks ago, there were about 200 people hospitalized with covid-19 in Nebraska, while now there are 885.
To be sure, a large number of governors and mayors have done the right thing. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has pointed to a host of studies showing that cloth masks can reduce viral transmission — not perfectly, but certainly with enough efficacy to be worth everyone’s effort until a vaccine or effective therapy arrives. The Republican governors who are holding out against mask mandates should recognize that government has a responsibility to protect lives when personal responsibility falls short.
Happy Sunday
"Those with pathological narcissism are abusive and dangerous because of their catastrophic neediness," Lee explained. "Think of a drowning person gasping for air: a survival instinct just may push you down in order to save one's own life. In the manner that the body needs oxygen, the soul needs love, and self-love is what a toxic narcissist is desperately lacking. This is why he must overcompensate, creating for himself a self-image where he is the best at everything, never wrong, better than all the experts, and a 'stable genius.'"
https://www.salon.com/2020/10/28/trump-narcissism-psychology-election-loss-pathology-personality-disorders/
Opinion by David Boies and Theodore B. Olson
November 14 at 11:31 AM PST
David Boies is chairman of the law firm Boies, Schiller & Flexner. Theodore B. Olson, a former U.S. solicitor general, is a partner of the law firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher.
Twenty years ago, we represented the opposing sides in Bush v. Gore. We still don’t agree about how the Supreme Court ruled, but we completely agree that nothing in that case — or in the Supreme Court’s decision — supports the challenges now being thrown about in an attempt to undermine President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.
Yet, over the past week, we have heard repeated assertions that the outcome of this election is somehow in doubt, as it was in 2000.
It is not. Biden will be president. There are many areas of policy on which we disagree. But no matter how you voted in this election, that is the clear outcome. The nation’s laws and shared values dictate that Americans now unite to support democracy, national security, the public trust in institutions and the urgent work of the next administration.
It is also important for the public to understand why 2020 bears no resemblance to 2000.
The presidential-election controversies currently playing out in various parts of the country are not repeats of Bush v. Gore.
By CHAUNCEY DEVEGA OCTOBER 5, 2020
The Trump regime has become the Kremlin on the Potomac, a place where the public is left to decipher the schemes and machinations of
the ruling party.
Donald Trump is not a normal president (or human being). He is a fascist authoritarian who leads a cult of personality and revels in
what he considers "alpha-male" displays of toughness and violence. He presents himself as being immortal. To his cult followers, he
functions as a type of godhead whom they love and to whom they constantly express devotion. Trumpism is a form of collective
narcissism and groupthink in which the self is subsumed by the libidinal, violent and other pathological emotions and behaviors of the
mass movement.
Elizabeth Mika, counselor and therapist, contributor to the 2017 bestseller "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and
Mental Health Experts Assess a President":
The bond between a malignantly narcissistic leader and his followers, created by a narcissistic collusion — the belief in each other's
specialness and exceptional greatness — is virtually unbreakable. To sever it, those individuals who worship and unreservedly trust
their leader would have to experience a life-shattering catastrophe for which the leader would be directly and indisputably
responsible. But even, then their need to maintain their beliefs and thus their identity would likely override reality and even
solidify their beliefs in the leader's specialness and infallibility, and, by association, their own.
We can actually see this in Trump's supporters' reactions to the pandemic in general and his own infection specifically. They deny the
reality and severity of the pandemic and act accordingly, endangering themselves and others; and when they can no longer do so, they
attribute it to nefarious plots designed to harm their leader and his plans to restore the country's — and their own — greatness.
I want to stress that those are normal defense mechanisms, commonly encountered in almost all of us, that we use in situations that
challenge our worldview and cherished opinions.
But those defense mechanisms, when fortified by narcissism, become an emotional-cognitive web that ensnares and enslaves us, and
blinds us to the reality of who we are and what the world around us is like.
Narcissism makes us part ways with reason, truth and reality itself, and instead create self-aggrandizing myths about our existence.
All cults — religious, political, technological (yes) and others — are based on individual and collective narcissism of their members.
Trumpism, with its imperviousness to facts, can be seen as a political cult, with a malignantly narcissistic leader at its center. Its
members' main function is to maintain the leader's delusion of his greatness by providing constant affirmations of it, reality be
damned. They, in turn, bask in his reflected glory, believing, erroneously, that his greatness and favors will rub off on them and
fulfill their dreams.
Of course, none of that will happen and the cult will eventually collapse, usually with the demise of its leader. But even then, true
believers will continue their worship. To this day, there are people who revere and miss some of the greatest tyrants in history. Our
human propensity for self-deception, of the kind that protects our cherished and narcissistically embellished view of ourselves, our
false self, is boundless.
Dr. Lance Dodes, former assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School; training and supervising analyst
emeritus at the Boston Psychoanalytic Society and Institute. He is also a contributor to "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump."
Interviews with Trump's most fervent supporters have repeatedly shown that they minimize or deny his lies, incompetence and absence of
morality because they share his conviction that he is (as he has suggested, himself) a godlike figure protecting them against all they
hate and fear. Like all populist tyrants, his actual characteristics and actions are, therefore, irrelevant or even praised (leading
to increased violence among those who copy his violence).
Dr. John Gartner, psychologist, psychoanalyst and former professor at the Johns Hopkins University Medical School. Gartner is the
founder of Duty to Warn, an organization working to raise awareness about the danger Trump poses to the U.S. and the world. He was
also a contributor to "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump" and is featured in the documentary "Unfit: The Psychology of Donald Trump."
Malignant narcissists feel so special and entitled, they believe they are above laws of both man and nature — and because they are
also psychopaths, they have no guilt or anxiety about the consequences of breaking those laws. What they can get away with is mind-
boggling. Trump should have been successfully impeached 30 times over by now, having crashed through almost every redline we have. Yet
thus far, he seemed to defy the laws of gravity — until he didn't.
He is like the old Warner Bros. cartoon characters who would go over a cliff, and just hang suspended in mid-air — until they suddenly
plunged.
There's a reason you don't see many retired drug dealers, and the Thousand-Year Reich ended in a bunker. Call it reality's revenge.
Ultimately, malignant narcissists are self-destructive, as they and those that follow them off the cliff learn the hard way.
The laws of nature and karma can be suspended … until they aren't.
Dr. David Reiss, psychiatrist, expert in mental fitness evaluations and contributor to "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump."
Trump and his spokespersons have consistently presented information and opinions intended to strongly impact the emotional state of
their followers. This leads vulnerable followers, who rely on their feelings to define reality rather than examining objective facts,
to strongly "feel" that the "information" they are provided is accurate.
Feeling convinced, they will not explore or consider any other information or facts; they distrust, disbelieve and (angrily) reject as
"fake" any contrary information; they disregard logical inconsistencies; and ultimately, they act decisively on the basis of the
"information" provided (in a manner that meets the purposes of the Trump cabal). Despite the total inconsistency with objective facts,
they continue to view Trump as essentially infallible, honor him with adulation, rally to his support — and project onto perceived
"enemies" blame for any negative events that befall Trump or his admirers.
This is occurring at the current time when, even at their own peril and even though medical evidence and objective facts clearly
indicate that Trump himself has dangerously ignored warnings and left himself, his administration and his followers vulnerable to
COVID infection, Trump's followers continue to maintain convoluted explanations or conspiracy theories in order to justify feeling
that they and Trump are innocent victims.
That illogical world view reinforces the belief that Trump is to be admired, adulated and held beyond reproach — particularly for
tolerating the "slings and arrows" of "deviant enemies." Whether orchestrated or spontaneous, rallies and "counter-demonstrations"
reinforce these emotions and whip followers into an irrational frenzy of Trump adulation and rage at perceived enemies.
He's a real nowhere man
Sitting in his nowhere land
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody
Doesn't have a point of view
Knows not where he's going to
Isn't he a bit like you and me?
Nowhere man please listen
You don't know what you're missing
Nowhere man, the world is at your command
He's as blind as he can be
Just sees what he wants to see
Nowhere man, can you see me at all
Nowhere man don't worry
Take your time, don't hurry
Leave it all 'til somebody else
Lends you a hand
Ah, la, la, la, la
Doesn't have a point of view
Knows not where he's going to
Isn't he a bit like you and me?
Nowhere man please listen
You don't know what you're missing
Nowhere man, The world is at your command
Ah, la, la, la, la
He's a real nowhere man
Sitting in his nowhere land
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody
good job alky. you single-handedly destroyed an entire thread.
So the last thread has 37 posts. 31 of them by Roger and James. Get a life guys.
Anonymous Myballs said...
So the last thread has 37 posts. 31 of them by Roger and James.
Seems that you and the slurpers are hiding and know you have lost the cause....Counting posts is indicative that you have nothing to do or say.....just another bitch by a longtime GOP loser!!!!!! BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!
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