Either Biden wins early or we see another potential 2016
Scenario One: The polls are correct and Biden wins
Under this scenario we are simply giving Joe Biden the states that he has a lead of three or more points and leaving the states polling under 3 points as toss ups. We use polling exclusively and assume that there is no grave polling problems like we have seen in the past couple of elections. Under this scenario all of the states Biden would expect to win all fall into place without issue. Biden would have more than enough Electoral College votes to win the election before even looking at the closer states. The only question is the margin.
Scenario Two: Trump overperforms the polls in battleground states by a 1-2%
This one is also fairly simple. We give Trump any state that he is leading. We also give him any state he won in 2016, where he has some polls showing him in the lead, and where the average polling margin is within approximately one point (Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Georgia, Iowa, Arizona). We then put the states were there polling is favoring Biden, but Trump has some polls in his favor (Pennsylvania, Michigan) in a toss up category. We will call this the Trafalgar theory that suggests if there may be a systemic polling issue that is undercounting Trump voters in these states by approximately 2-3 points. Under this scenario, there is a domino effect that suggests if some of these states goes Trump, then they likely all go Trump.
However, under this scenario, Trump is still would need to win either Pennsylvania or Michigan to get to the needed ECV. So even under the best of assumptions for Trump, it would require him to pick up a state that would be considered an upset.
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Up until 2016, I lived and died by polling. It was informative, it made sense, and it was generally accurate in a macro setting (taking averages of several pollsters). It was easily the most consistent way to project elections prior to 2016. But if you did nothing but look at polling in 2016 and 2018, you would have had your ass handed to you as a projectionist, because polling has not been good. And by not good, it's basically to the point where every time the polling is wrong it has been favoring a Democrat that has lost. There has become a legitimate concern that polling is not just inaccurate, but generally biased. If Biden were to pull off the win, that might help solve some of the practical problems pollsters have had with distrust and criticism.
But I also believe there are legitimate reasons to believe that Trump should win states like Iowa (+9.5), Ohio (+8.1), Georgia (+5.1), simply because those were states he won by fairly healthy margins in 2016. Even North Carolina (+3.7) and Arizona (+3.5) were comfortable victories in 2016. Florida (+1.2) was the closest of those states in 2016, but there is evidence that Trump is doing quite well in early voting. The GOP has also done well in many of these states in new voter registration as well. In other words, there really are legitimate reasons to suggest that Trump could win all six of those states in a block, rather than treat them all as a coin toss (the Nate Silver 538 method).
Ultimately it really does come down to Pennsylvania and Michigan. Unless Trump pulls off something in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nevada, or New Hampshire (and he would need more than one of those) he will still need to win one of those two great lake states to get to 269/270. That was the blue wall firewall that Clinton and the Democrats were counting on in 2016. If it holds in 2020, then it's all but certain that Biden is going to be President. But if it cracks again... well.
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NEW YORK TIMES:
Trump Never Got His October Surprise
4:00 pm EST
“President Trump began the fall campaign rooting for, and trying to orchestrate, a last-minute surprise that would vault him ahead of Joe Biden:
“A coronavirus vaccine.
"A dramatic economic rebound.
"A blockbuster Justice Department investigation.
"A grievous misstep by a rival he portrayed as faltering.
"A scandal involving Mr. Biden and his son Hunter.”
[None of that worked out] and “as the campaign nears an end, and with most national and battleground-state polls showing Mr. Trump struggling,
the cavalry of an October surprise that helped him overtake Hillary Clinton in 2016 HAS NOT ARRIVED.”
PA and MN have a good chance to go to Trump.
You said there is evidence that Trump is doing quite well in early voting
Everything I have seen, says the opposite.
I depend upon the MSM, but I still check out the right wing side and they don't say that either.
Maybe because you have quit reading the MSM, you don't see the reality show!
IF Joe wins, what will be the reason he leaves office in the first year?
😂 @I depend upon the MSM🤣
Roger, I checked, Audi A8 production is fine, so when do they deliver one to you @ the Home?
When you decided the polls are incorrect because they hate you Orange Monster.
I've been watching you change to a more partisan non analytical person.
Myballs said...
PA and MN have a good chance to go to Trump.
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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/
places Pennsylvania among the close states, and says
Biden is "favored to win" there
Minnesota is not placed among the close states and 538 says
Biden is "strongly favored to win" there.
No that's not why. I've been posting why for months. But you've been too much of a coward to address it.
Even More Battleground State Polls
4:38 pm EST
From Reuters/Ipsos:
ARIZONA:
Biden 48%, Trump 46%
FLORIDA:
Biden 49%, Trump 47%
MICHIGAN:
Biden 52%, Trump 42%
NORTH CAROLINA:
Biden 49%, Trump 48%
PENNSYLVANIA:
Biden 51%, Trump 44%
WISCONSIN:
Biden 53%, Trump 43%
From Mitchell Communications:
MICHIGAN:
Biden 52%, Trump 45%
From St. Cloud State University:
MINNESOTA:
Biden 54%, Trump 39%
From Emerson College:
ARIZONA:
Biden 48%, Trump 46%
MAINE 2:
Biden 50%, Trump 47%
PENNSYLVANIA:
Biden 52%, Trump 47%
538? So what? He completely missed 2016.
Democrats hold a significant advantage in early voting due to their embrace of mail balloting, which Republicans have historically cast in large numbers but have shunned amid repeated and unfounded attacks by Trump, who says the system is prone to widespread fraud.
Experts have predicted turnout will easily surpass the 138 million who voted in the 2016 presidential election that Trump won. Only 47 million votes came before Election Day in 2016.
In 20 states that report party registration data, 18.2 million registered Democrats have already voted, compared with 11.5 million Republicans and 8.8 million with no party affiliation. The data does not show for whom the votes were cast.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-early-voting-idUSKBN27E37U
He has pointed out that it was not as complete as is often thought, and that he and other pollsters are aware of what they did wrong and have sought to correct it.
If there is one thing a pollster REALLY hates, it is being wrong in a prognostication.
Even CBS this morning was discussing the enthusiasm for Trump. But you just keep repeating what you want to be true.
Axios
16 hours ago
WH accuses Fauci of playing politics over bleak coronavirus assessment
NIAID director Anthony Fauci praised the Biden campaign's coronavirus stance, criticized White House adviser Scott Atlas and offered a bleak assessment of the U.S. pandemic response in an interview with the Washington Post, published Saturday.
Why it matters:
Fauci's comments are perhaps his most frank yet and come as COVID-19 cases surge across the U.S.
The White House called Fauci's remarks three days out from the election "unacceptable."
Atlas publicly responded to his fellow coronavirus task force member in a tweet late Saturday.
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3 hours ago -
Trump adviser Scott Atlas apologizes for appearing on RT
President Trump's favorite coronavirus adviser Scott Atlas apologized on Twitter for appearing Saturday on Russia’s state-controlled RT network, where he insisted that the U.S. is turning the corner on the pandemic and that lockdowns are actually “killing people.”
Why it matters: RT, formerly known as RUSSIA TODAY, is a Russian state-owned media outlet registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. This means that all of its content is labeled as propaganda attempting to influence U.S. public opinion, policy and laws.
Atlas appeared on RT just hours after the Washington Post released an interview with Anthony Fauci, who criticized Atlas for his controversial views on the pandemic.
“I have real problems with that guy,” Fauci told the Post. “He’s a smart guy who’s talking about things that I believe he doesn’t have any real insight or knowledge or experience in. He keeps talking about things that when you dissect it out and parse it out, it doesn’t make any sense.”
The big picture:
Atlas, a radiologist, has drawn criticism for reportedly promoting "herd immunity" as a COVID-19 strategy and for casting doubt on the effectiveness of masks, which studies show can help slow the spread of the coronavirus.
“The public health leadership … they’re killing people with their fear-inducing shutdown policies,” Atlas said on RT.
He also described lockdowns as an “epic failure of public policy by people who refuse to accept they were wrong.”
Driving the news: "I recently did an interview with RT and was unaware they are a registered foreign agent," Atlas tweeted.
"I regret doing the interview and apologize for allowing myself to be taken advantage of. I especially apologize to the national security community who is working hard to defend us."
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There's a difference between a scientist and a propagandist.
But you just keep repeating what you want to be true.
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We both do that, but I happen to think my allusions are based on a greater objectivity.
Scott and balls. This election is much different than from 2016.
Trump is the incumbent President and Biden is a moderate Democrat, who is much more likeable than Hillary Clinton.
Trump's mishandled the covid-19 pandemic. That is the most important issue to the majority of the voters.
If we get a record turnout, and I mean a real large turnout, the Democrats will get the Senate majority and the White House.
The polls close at 7:00 eastern time.
Florida has already been counting the early voting ballot. If it looks like Biden has a strong majority, the drinking will get crazy across the country.
I will have a Coke and smile.
Unlike Scott I have been reading the MSM and the MSNBC story. The Democrats are still nervous, but I'm not.
Trump draws crowds totaling 350,000 in last days of Campaigning.
Biden drew BIG "Mike" and a Cuckold name Barrack.
Ha. You think you're objective? Getting all your information from political wire? You're not fooling anyone.
Agree my allusions are based on a greater objectivity.
Roger said,
The Democrats are still nervous, but I'm not.
JamesNewLeaf says,
I am, but still quite hopeful.
:-)
This is 1996 repeated. Biden is a mediocre uninspiring candidate who has bern in DC far too long.
Politicalwire publishes numerous points of view, not all to my liking. I also draw heavily from RealClearPoltics (commentary as well as polling), and other news sources (AOL being one).
This is 2016 repeated and trump still does not have the chops to lead the country!!!!!!!!
Blogger KansasDemocrat said...
Trump draws crowds totaling 350,000
Proving 350k of america does not give a shit about their well being and worshiping a false idol!!!!!!!!!
Biden isn't a mediocre candidate.
The final days of the 2020 election are finally upon us. President Trump and former Vice President Biden are making their closing arguments in a historic election that will determine who will lead the country amid a global pandemic that has killed more than 227,000 Americans and a recession that has taken millions of American jobs.
Which candidate’s closing argument will voters find more compelling?
Biden’s vision offers real plans and action on big, complex problems. In fact, Biden is already giving voters a glimpse of what a competent president should be doing right now, and what he would do in his first term.
Trump, in contrast, has been unwilling or unable to articulate what a second term would look like. And he’s recklessly exposing Americans to danger with no regard for the well-being of his most ardent supporters.
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The President doesn't have a platform! The RNC declined to write an agenda. Trump just calls the Democrats socialist and communist party and AOJ represents the democratic party.
Biden has a very detailed agenda.
Part of this is from The Hill.
Unless there is an October surprise or the President will not accept the request of the election we could see a historic constitutional crisis or an epic change.
Because I trust the people, we will move forward.
Bill Clinton had a strong economy and no pandemic. Trump will be a one term President
Everything I have seen, says the opposite.
Well I have a feeling, Roger, that you haven't actually seen any raw or actual numbers coming out of the battleground states. You seem to believe that just because early turnout is up, that it automatically favors Biden.
I think you also don't understand that early voting nearly always favors Democrats (Republicans are notorious election day voters). So the fact that they will lead isn't as important as by "how much" they lead.
But just a couple of things I read today from the Southeast states:
- In Georgia, the top four performing districts (in comparison to 2016) are heavy Trump districts. Districts that he won by anywhere from 58-15 points. The worst performing districts (in comparison to 2016) were won by Clinton.
- In Florida, Democrats have an early voting advantage of about 95.4K which compares to 96.4K in 2016. So Democrats are doing worse than they did in 2016 when they lost the final vote by 113K.
- In North Carolina the Democratic early voting lead from 2016 has been cut by 55K in 2020. North Carolina is a state Democrats lost by 173K.
So on paper, the Democrats probably lead all of these states in early voting, but they were expected to. So you have to hope that either Republicans fail to turn out on election day or Democrats overperform previous election days.
But if you want to really look at it... If you were Joe Biden and you were reading about how Democrats were going to mail in and early vote en-mass this year, you should probably be disappointed that they are not outperforming 2016.
You can also watch a Biden rally vs a Trump rally and realize where there is a real fear of crowds among Democrats, there is no such fear for Republicans.
Biden could be done in by Democrats being afraid of Covid and providing the casual Democratic voter with just enough extra incentive to stay home.
I don't buy into the idea that there are two worlds.
Right now, the Republicans believe that the President is perfect. He has 95% approval rating.
And the rest of the world is in a conspiracy that establishment is trying to destroy the President.
The New York times reported
Joseph R. Biden Jr. holds a clear advantage over President Trump across four of the most important presidential swing states, a new poll shows, bolstered by the support of voters who did not participate in the 2016 election and who now appear to be turning out in large numbers to cast their ballots, mainly for the Democrat.
Yes, that just one sample. But other sources say the same thing. The Biden campaign has an early lead.
But two things. One is the turnout looks like a record high turnout. High turnout has favored the Democrats in the last election in 2018.
The second is the President depends upon high turnout among white, non college educated voters. He has an advantage. But the other people who will vote on November 3rd is usually older voters, who are no longer as supportive of the President.
And third in response, I don't believe that they are afraid of covid, because they believe that his response was an epic failure. The people want the end of his chaotic behavior. The Democratic party has a huge movement of people going door to door and recruiting voters
I know this is somewhat speculative but in my experience and my faith in the American people will turnout in historic levels.
We shall see!
You said
no such fear for Republican . Why not?,,
The evidence is the super spreader at the Rose Garden event
In his closing message, Mr. Trump has repeatedly argued that the nation is “turning the corner” on the virus and has focused on economic revival, arguing that Mr. Biden’s policies will hamper recovery and public safety. On Saturday in Newtown, Pa., he declared that “we will defeat the virus and emerge stronger and more unified than ever before.”
For his part, Mr. Biden has criticized the president’s pandemic response, casting himself as a leader who will better listen to scientific experts. In Flint, he said: “Imagine where we’d be if we had a president who wore a mask instead of mocking it.” He is framing the election as a referendum on the President.
Despite the pandemic, Mr. Trump has continued to hold large campaign rallies, mostly outdoors attended often by thousands of people with little mask-wearing or social distancing. Mr. Biden hasn’t held large rallies, instead favoring smaller events or distanced rallies where people can remain in or near their cars.
I think that the voters will deny the President a second term
Intel Committee Senators Fear Constitutional Crisis
5:51 pm
Top lawmakers on the Senate Intelligence Committee tell Axios their biggest fear in the immediate days after Tuesday’s election is a “perception hack” that throws the country into a constitutional crisis.
Quote of the Day
6:24 pm
“I don’t think it’s fair that we have to wait for a long period of time after the election… We’re going in the night of — as soon as the election is over — we’re going in with our lawyers.”
— President Trump, quoted by CNN.
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First, it ain't over till it's over.
Second, I don't think it's fair for a President to be elected by anything other than the votes cast.
Part of my post
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-frames-presidential-race-as-referendum-while-trump-presents-it-as-a-choice-11604239707?mod=mhp
There is no evidence that Trump is doing quite well in early voting.
GOP Is Destroying Itself on Altar of Trump
7:00 pm
Benjamin Ginsburg:
“These are painful words for me to write. I spent four decades in the Republican trenches, representing GOP presidential and congressional campaigns, working on Election Day operations, recounts, redistricting and other issues, including trying to lift the consent decree.
“Nearly every Election Day since 1984 I’ve worked with Republican poll watchers, observers and lawyers to record and litigate any fraud or election irregularities discovered.
“The truth is that over all those years Republicans found only isolated incidents of fraud. Proof of systematic fraud has become the Loch Ness Monster of the Republican Party. People have spent a lot of time looking for it, but it doesn’t exist.”
Roger...
If Republicans are beating or even just matching the Dem vs GOP break down from 2016... I would argue this is a good result for them. Very early numbers were much better for Democrats, but now you have people like Nate Silver discounting early voting (as the GOP caught up).
If it was good for the Democrats, then you would be reading story after story about unprecedented advantages.
It could be all red herring if Democrats come out on election day in big numbers.
But most expected Biden would win by banking large early vote advantages. But they are average at best.
Trump Supporters Clog America’s Highways
7:57 pm
“In a show of support of questionable political value, pro-Trump demonstrators clogged freeways Sunday across the country, from blue states like New Jersey, New York, and Washington state, to red-leaning Texas and purple Arizona,” the Daily Beast reports.
“‘WHOOO! We shut it down baby! We shut it down!’ says one pro-Trump videographer as he pans the camera nearly 360 degrees, showing viewers the group of cars that had brought traffic to a complete standstill along the northbound Garden State Parkway in New Jersey.”
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1322957092412686343?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1322957092412686343%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_2&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Ftrump-supporters-spend-weekend-clogging-blue-state-highways
Trump Supporters Spend Weekend Clogging America’s Highways
Cars and trucks carrying Trump 2020 flags swamped freeways from New Jersey to Texas on Sunday as supporters posted #TrumpTrain videos on Twitter.
In a show of support of questionable political value, pro-Trump demonstrators clogged freeways Sunday across the country, from blue states like New Jersey, New York, and Washington state, to red-leaning Texas and purple Arizona. “WHOOO! We shut it down baby! We shut it down!” says one pro-Trump videographer as he pans the camera nearly 360 degrees, showing viewers the group of cars that had brought traffic to a complete standstill along the northbound Garden State Parkway in New Jersey.
“You suck, you suck, everyone on the right lane sucks,” nearby driver Maddy Pryor says in another video capturing the incident, which Pryor posted to Twitter. Another user named @kabryant17 claimed the stoppage caused emergency personnel to take a delayed route to the hospital, as the pro-Trump demonstration blocked an entire freeway exit.
In neighboring New York, Trump supporter Abigail Marone captured a line of cars and trucks with pro-Trump and at least one pro-law enforcement Thin Blue Line flag on the route between Seaford and Montauk in Long Island. Using the hashtag #TrumpTrain, users also captured Trump supporters driving along New York State Route 25 and claimed to see a similar lineup on Route 106 in Hicksville.
🤯🤯 Trump Train from Seaford to Montauk, Long Island NY pic.twitter.com/X9hzsC9He2
— Abigail Marone 🇺🇸 (@abigailmarone) November 1, 2020
In Maryland, The Daily Beast witnessed another line of cars carrying pro-Trump flags on Sunday. Reports of a pro-Trump caravan in another historically blue state also emerged early Sunday afternoon when business reporter Lauren Arevalo-Downes spotted a line of pro-Trump drivers in the Los Angeles suburb of Pasadena.
Throughout the day, the president’s supporters uploaded videos of caravans of vehicles flying large ‘Trump 2020’ flags under the hashtag #MAGADragTheInterstate on Sunday. At least one Texas car sported a flag with a Rambo-esque Trump cradling an assault rifle, while another displayed the Gadsden “Don’t Tread On Me’ banner, which has historically been linked to Confederate nostalgia and the Klan.
On the ground in Virginia, Daily News-Record journalist Ian Munro captured a pro-Trump caravan in a Richmond roundabout where a shot rang out, injuring a counter-protester on foot who was later assessed by emergency technicians. Counter-protesters burned Confederate flags they had taken from pro-Trump vehicles in the roundabout, which houses a statue of Robert E. Lee, late Sunday afternoon as police closed the thoroughfare.
The injured counter-protester was later identified as Frank Hunt, who declined to comment if he had helped take Trump 2020 signs from cars. Hunt described how a person rolled their windows down and fired a gun at him. “This shit grazed me by my ear, dog,” Hunt told Munro, explaining that his injured hand, visibly bandaged in the video, was from falling as a result. “To the driver, to the passengers, to everybody who tried to kill me: I forgive you, but I'll never forget it. We gonna kill you love with hate, and that’s how we gonna ride.”
Trump supporters also ambushed a Biden-Harris campaign event Friday in Austin, Texas, surrounding one campaign bus and allegedly attempting to drive it off the road. The president praised the Texas drivers after the disturbing incident, tweeting the video and remarking, “I LOVE TEXAS!”
Oh if only they would burn doen a city and loot a bunch of businesses. Then James would like them.
I never approved of that kind of violence. Do you approve of this?
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-supporters-spend-weekend-clogging-201629986.html
Lincoln Project targets 3 deep red states with million-dollar ad buy as election map ‘turning against’ Trump
yahoo News
WASHINGTON — With just two days left until the election, President Trump’s enemies are seeing new opportunities in staunchly red states. The Lincoln Project, a conservative-led political action committee dedicated to eroding President Trump’s support among Republicans, announced on Saturday that it is buying over $1 million of ads in Georgia, Montana and South Carolina in the final days of the presidential race.
Ron Steslow, a veteran GOP consultant and Lincoln Project co-founder, said the fact that these states could go against Trump shows “just how badly the president is doing all over the country.”
“These states never should have been on the map. They never should have been in play for Democrats in the first place,” Steslow said. “This just speaks to the massive coalition of voters that is coming together to repudiate Trumpism ... the country is turning against him.”
The ad buy, first reported by Yahoo News, will include a mix of digital and television commercials.
Trump is trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in national polls and many key swing states. However, the three states being targeted by the Lincoln Project are far from traditional presidential battlegrounds. Georgia and Montana have not backed a Democratic presidential candidate since 1992, when they both went for Bill Clinton. South Carolina hasn’t gone blue in a presidential race since 1976.
Polls currently show Trump’s Democratic Party opponent ahead by an average of less than 1 percentage point in Georgia. Trump is leading in South Carolina, where polls this month have him ahead by an average of 7.5 points, and in Montana, where he’s averaging an 8-point lead this month.
All three states are playing host to competitive Senate races. In South Carolina, polls have shown Democrat Jaime Harrison an average of 4.5 points behind Republican incumbent Lindsey Graham this month. The Palmetto State has not had a Democratic senator since 2005.
In Georgia, a spate of polls this month have shown Democrat Jon Ossoff with a razor-thin lead over Republican incumbent David Perdue. Georgia also has not had a Democratic senator in over 15 years.
Montana’s Senate delegation is currently split, and Republican incumbent Steve Daines is leading the state’s Democratic governor, Steve Bullock, by an average of just over 2 points this month.
Steslow, the Lincoln Project co-founder, attributed the tight races to the fact that “Trump has become a drag on his own Republican Senate candidates.”
“I think it speaks to the trajectory of, not just the presidential race, but the trajectory of the American people and their attitudes towards Trump and what he stands for,” said Steslow.
Tim Murtaugh, a spokesperson for the Trump campaign, dismissed the Lincoln Project’s spending in the three red states with three words: “Waste of money.”
In South Carolina, the Lincoln Project will air an ad painting Graham as “Donald Trump’s sycophant.” The group’s ad in Montana doesn’t mention Trump and frames Bullock as “the right choice” for the state’s Senate seat. In Georgia, the Lincoln Project is airing two of its anti-Trump ads that blast his response to the coronavirus pandemic. A spokesperson for the group said the blitz in the three states is specifically targeting rural voters and seniors online.
Images of Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner are seen alongside messages about coronavirus disease (COVID-19) infections and deaths on billboards sponsored by The Lincoln Project above Times Square in New York City, U.S. October 24, 2020. Trump and Kushner's lawyer Marc Kasowitz has demanded that the billboards be removed, threatening a lawsuit.
The Lincoln Project’s ads, which have featured blunt criticisms of the president, have drawn substantial attention — including the ire of Trump himself — during the race. Despite its efforts to take on Trump, the group has also sparked criticism from liberals who argue it is an attempt to earn conservatives influence in the event of a Biden victory.
While the numbers do look positive for Biden, progressives and other Trump opponents remain worried about the outcome of the race as the president and his allies have undertaken efforts to undermine and curtail the counting of the record numbers of mail-in ballots that have been cast as voters stayed home due to the pandemic.
Trump has also raised concerns by repeatedly refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power should he lose. Steslow echoed these fears as he assessed the race in its final days.
“We are cautiously optimistic that Biden will win, that we will vote, that Donald Trump will lose and that he will go,” said Steslow. “But we are not taking our foot off the gas pedal and we are not going to rest until Joe Biden is sworn in on Jan. 20th.”
Ch said,
Very early numbers were much better for Democrats, but now you have people like Nate Silver discounting early voting (as the GOP caught up).
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Can you supply a link to him saying that?
The Joe, closing point.
The USA sucks.
She advocated for full on Socialist, redistribution and making everyone equally broke and dependent upon government.
“I think it is fair to say that in many ways the Democratic Party has become a party of the coastal elites, folks who have a lot of money, upper-middle-class people who are good people, who believe in social justice in many respects,” Sanders
Democrat Govenors/Mayors demand Idetification be present to dine in at a Restaurant and then that info be forwarded to the State.
Odd.
I'd required to order a sandwich in a restaurant but not to vote. Odd.
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