After announcing that they had stopped counting in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia, and after poll watchers, the media, and other onlookers were sent home... several counties in all four states apparently went back to counting.
When we woke up the next morning and checked the counts:
- Biden had gained about 110,000 votes in Wisconsin and pulled ahead
- Biden had gained over 300,000 votes in Michigan and had pulled ahead
- Biden had gained several hundred thousand votes in Pennsylvania
- The NYT Georgia needle went from Trump up by 4% to Biden up by 0.1%
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| NYT needle from late election night |
Again... this all happened after officials in all these states determined that they were halting their counting until morning, and by most accounts this massive overnight counting was done without poll watchers present. This massive overnight counting included pretty much all of the talked about irregularities that nobody has ever really explained.
Oh, and to say that it's unusual for the NYT to have their needle off by over four points is an understatement. The needle is determined by the known number of votes left in the various areas of the State and how they believe those demographics will be counted. The NYT needles have been incredibly accurate for the past few elections.
In this case, Florida ended up 3.3% for Trump, when the needle had it at 3.2%. While North Carolina ended at 1.4% for Trump, which was exactly where the needle had it.
Only Georgia was off (massively) and the miss was the equivalent of about 220,00 votes. This isn't a matter of incorrectly figuring who was voting for who. This was a matter of approximately 220,000 ballots (in Biden's favor) that didn't appear to exist at 1:00 AM EST (when I last captured the needle). Again, no explanation for this was ever presented by NYT or anyone else. Seems everyone is vigilantly incurious about these things.
Does any of this "prove" fraud or voter tampering? I suppose that's a matter of opinion.
But it certainly proves that there were election officials willing to basically mislead and manipulate poll watchers and other onlookers into going home in order for them to continue their counting without them there. If there is an "honest" reason to do so, I cannot think of it. The fact that so many unusual things seem to happen in the middle of the night when no-one was paying attention feeds into the concept that fraud or tampering took place.
Everyone (Republican, Democrat, Independent) should be suspicious of the motivations for this and call on this type of partisan behavior to stop. We are partisan enough as a country, but that should end when it comes to counting votes. If we remain partisan while counting votes, then the way around that is to eliminate both Parties from the process (other than as onlookers) and require all counties in all states to be counted by independent accounting firms agreed upon by everyone in advance.
Everyone (Republican, Democrat, Independent) should be suspicious of the motivations for this and call on this type of partisan behavior to stop. We are partisan enough as a country, but that should end when it comes to counting votes. If we remain partisan while counting votes, then the way around that is to eliminate both Parties from the process (other than as onlookers) and require all counties in all states to be counted by independent accounting firms agreed upon by everyone in advance.
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(CNN)Members of the Michigan state legislature's Republican leadership who met with President Donald Trump at the White House Friday afternoon said they haven't seen any evidence that would change the fact that President-elect Joe Biden won their state.
It was a blow to Trump, who had invited the lawmakers to the White House this week, as he seeks to subvert the will of voters in a long-shot effort to overturn the results of an election he lost
Again... this all happened after officials in all these states determined that they were halting their counting until morning, and by most accounts this massive overnight counting was done without poll watchers present.
Fake news, poll watchers were present
This is a bizarre story of unproven allegations that would not be admissible in any court hearing.
You look like Rudy Giuliani Ghosted and makeup rolling down your face.
This looks like a Quan page of bizarre fake news robotics
In poll watcher affidavits, Trump campaign offers no evidence of fraud in Detroit ballot-counting.
CNN
Prove them wrong again.
And U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Tyler, who appeared in Philadelphia on Friday, raised the possibility, without presenting any evidence, of “manufactured” votes and said “the election is in the process of being stolen.”
The claims from Cruz and Cloud about election watchers are not true. In a court hearing Thursday, a lawyer for Trump acknowledged that the team’s observers were being allowed in the room, according to WHYY in Philadelphia. When the judge asked if Trump observers were allowed in the room, a Trump attorney answered, “There's a non-zero number of people in the room.”
The judge in the case, a Republican appointee, dismissed a lawsuit seeking an end to the count after urging both sides to come to an agreement on how many observers from each party could be in the room where the ballots were being counted.
The counting has been done in the presence of election watchers representing both parties. But Trump has continued to claim, with no evidence, that he is being cheated. Texas politicians and conservative figures have spread falsehoods that have further sowed confusion about those claims.
The vote counting in Philadelphia is taking place at its sprawling convention center. Philadelphia magazine reported that early in the count, observers had to watch the proceedings from distances ranging from approximately 15-105 feet away — making the ability to see the count difficult, according to a Republican observer’s testimony. Most notably, one observer was photographed watching the counting with the aid of binoculars. City officials argued that counters needed space to maintain social distancing, security and privacy protections while handling ballots.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/06/texas-republicans-trump-results/
Indy is right, you lost your mind 5 years ago
On November 12, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency issued a statement calling this year's election "the most secure in American history."
Like I posted yesterday about Lil Schitty's danish study of masks being ineffective....Let me repeat....the science was the biggest piece of shit I have ever read.....seems like others with more creds have come to the same conclusion!!!!!!! GOP science deniers are a special breed of idiots with an idiot gene!!!!!!!! Rat would not know real science if it was sucking on his dick!!!!!!
By
Meryl Kornfield
November 20, 2020 at 5:06 p.m. EST
Public health experts are raising alarms about a study that some conservatives claim reveals that masks are ineffective at preventing the spread of the novel coronavirus.
Even the lead researcher argues that such an assertion is misconstruing science, while other public health experts assert that the study has serious design flaws.
Mask-wearing has remained a hot-button political issue even as more states, including those with Republican governors who long resisted such measures, are adopting mask mandates as case numbers rise across the United States. Numerous studies have found that masks, and perhaps even the mandates, reduce the risk of transmission.
“Masks have been shown to protect others and, despite the reported results of this study, probably protect the wearer,” former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Tom Frieden wrote in an editorial that laid out what he sees as the various limitations of the study.
Now I know where lil schitty got the idea that donnie got no cooperation from Obama in the transition!!!!! The blond cross wearing mouth piece said yesterday that the prior administration did nothing to help !!!!!!!! The little bitch lies with a straight face like the fat fuck Sarah!!!!! The gall these people show thinking everyone is an idiot like the goat fucker or rat is telling!!!!!
Scott, each state count the vote per county. The lower population rural counties favored Trump.
The higher population counties take much longer to count millions of ballots. In every state, the Secretary of state has stated that the count was correctly calculated. And they complied with the rules, including observers from both parties.
This was the cleanest and most secure in history.
When is the fat assed white bitch at the GSA going to sign the paperwork to free the transition??????? Can you imagine the out rage you fucking idiots would be having if a low level D did that??????????? BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!! She needs to be dipped in flour to find her wet spot!!!!!
Why are the R senators sitting on the collective asses and not pushing for a smooth transition??? Even Lankford who said would do something last friday was all talk, no action....Reminds me of the UGA mouth of the south.....all tough talk and nothing else!!!!
Donald Trump and his enablers have been making claims of widespread voter fraud, alleging millions of people are voting illegally in order to rig our elections.
Baloney. Let’s look at the facts and debunk their myths once and for all.
They claim millions of Americans are voting twice, using multiple registrations in different districts.
So how often does double voting really occur? An analysis of the 2012 presidential election found that out of 129 million votes cast, 0.02 percent—that’s two one hundredths of one percent—were double votes—which were likely the result of measurement error. This is a far cry from Donald Trump’s claims that millions of people were registered in two different states in the 2016 presidential election.
Trump and his enablers claim non-citizens are voting in droves. Trump himself said that thousands of undocumented immigrants voted in 2016.
Another lie. According to the non-partisan Brennan Center for Justice, of 23.5 million votes cast in districts with high populations of non-citizens only 30—I repeat, thirty—possible incidents of improper non-citizen voting were referred for further investigation.
They claim voter impersonation is rampant at the polls.
False. A 12-year study of election data found only 10 cases of voter impersonation out of 146 million registered voters. Ten.
So if voter fraud really isn’t a problem, why do Trump, Republicans in Congress, and their allies at Fox News keep perpetuating this myth? For one simple reason: To enact restrictive voting laws intended to keep voters from the polls.
How did that 17 year old killer come up with 2 million dollars of bail money.....I bet idiots like rat et al made it possible by a go fund me because they think killing is OK!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Burning your money seems to be the latest R hobby!!!!!!
To enact restrictive voting laws intended to keep voters from the polls.
WHICH IS THE WHOLE AGENDA OF THE DYING GOP AS THEIR PARTY DISAPPEARS AS THE DEMOGRAPHICS CHANGE AND THEY DON'T!!!!!! JOWLS MCCONNELL IS THE POSTER BOY OF THAT DYING BREED ESPECIALLY WITH THAT ASS GROWING UNDER HIS CHIN!!!!!
The nation's leading GOP election attorney throws cold water on election fraud claims
JONATHAN H. ADLER | 9.9.2020 7:51 AM
Republican election attorney Benjamin Ginsberg spent his career helping Republican candidates get elected. As part of those efforts, he was on the lookout for voter fraud. As he details in a Washington Post op-ed, such fraud is very hard to find.
The truth is that after decades of looking for illegal voting, there's no proof of widespread fraud. At most, there are isolated incidents — by both Democrats and Republicans. Elections are not rigged. Absentee ballots use the same process as mail-in ballots — different states use different labels for the same process.
The Trump 2016 campaign, of which I was not a part, could produce no hard evidence of systemic fraud. Trump established a Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity in 2017 to expose all the fraud he maintains permeates our elections. He named the most vociferous hunters of Democratic election fraud to run the commission. It disbanded without finding anything.
The Heritage Foundation Election Fraud Database has compiled every instance of any kind of voter fraud it could find since 1982. It contains 1,296 incidents, a minuscule percentage of the votes cast. A study of results in three states where all voters are mailed actual ballots, a practice at the apex of the president's outrage, found just 372 possible cases of illegal voting of 14.6 million cast in the 2016 and 2018 general elections — 0.0025 percent.
If anything, Ginsberg goes easy on those who make broad election fraud allegations.
When Kris Kobach was Kansas Secretary of State, he pushed election law reforms premised on the need to root out election fraud and, in particular, prevent voting by non-citizens. When these restrictions were challenged in court, his case crumbled. Given the opportunity to present evidence and expert testimony, Kobach was unable to substantiate his fears of stolen elections. Kobach was eventually held in contempt and sanctioned by the court.
The evidence of widespread election fraud is woefully thin. When it happens, it may affect local races (where the total vote counts are much smaller). It is impossible to prove election fraud is not happening, as it is impossible to prove a negative. (To those convinced we have a problem, the lack of evidence only shows that those stealing elections are even more devious than we thought!) While election administration in parts of the country may be rickety and inefficient, there is no reason to think national elections are compromised, let alone that the Presidential race could be stolen.
That said, when efforts to subvert election laws are uncovered, they should be prosecuted aggressively. Election law violations should be taken seriously. With that in mind, here's more from Ginsberg's op-ed:
Legions of Republican lawyers have searched in vain over four decades for fraudulent double voting. At long last, they have a blatant example of a major politician urging his supporters to illegally vote twice.
The only hitch is that the candidate is President Trump. And his enablers Scott *****e.
Since The 2016 election the Socialist Democrats convinced us the election of Trump was illegitimate, stolen.
But, now, that they pulled off the greatest theft in the history of the Republic,
“The Justice for Black Farmers Act
The transfer of 32 million acres to only blacks , that may or may not farm/ranch has expanded to 100 million acres.
Who will be forced of their lands for this land grab.
Sen. Cory Booker knows, right?
"Also sponsoring the bill were Sens. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Kirsten Gillibrand of New York."
e 2016 election the Socialist Democrats convinced us the election of Trump was illegitimate, stolen.
And I am convinced the goat fucker is a mentally disabled dumb fuck who can't find his old white ass in the dark.......BWWWWAAAAAAAAAA The only thing stolen from you was your lunch money as a kid by the local R bully!!!!!
Trump is committing negligent homicide.
James Fallows: “More than a year ago, I argued in these pages that if Donald Trump held virtually any other position of responsibility in modern society, he would already have been removed from that role… If any of them had demonstrated the impulsiveness, the irrationality, the vindictiveness, the ceaseless need for glorification that all distinguish Trump, responsible authorities would long ago have suspended them. The stakes—in lives, legal exposure, dollars and cents, war and peace—would be too great to do otherwise.”
“At the time of that comparison, the main case against Trump involved his temperamental, intellectual, and moral unfitness for the job. But since then we’ve moved into the realm of manslaughter. Yesterday nearly 2,000 Americans died of COVID-19. By Thanksgiving Day, another 10,000 to 15,000 will have perished. By year’s end, who knows? And meanwhile the person in charge of guiding the national response does nothing.”
Trump is making himself a laughingstock.
Ch is joining right in with him.
The World Moves on as Trump [SUPPORTED BY OUT OF HIS MIND CH] Keeps Fighting
7:36 am EST
New York Times: “It is as if the vast machinery of diplomacy, business and lobbying has suddenly been recalibrated for the Biden era. Mr. Trump, by far the dominant world figure for the past four years, is increasingly treated as irrelevant.
“Bank trade groups have begun meeting with Biden aides in anticipation of new fights over regulation. Foreign diplomats assuming a sharp turn in American foreign policy are retooling their agendas. Corporate executives, who are usually allergic to political statements, are saying out loud what most of Mr. Trump’s supporters have so far refused to acknowledge.”
GOP Enables Trump’s Risky Endgame
7:24 am
“Republicans in Congress are engaged in a risky but calculated bet that once President Trump has exhausted his legal challenges to the election, he will come to grips with his loss to President-elect Joe Biden,” the AP reports.
“But the opposite is happening.
“As one Trump court case after another falls by the wayside, Trump is doubling down on efforts to disrupt the election outcome. Rather than accept the reality of the vote, the president is using the weight of his office to try to squash it. He summoned Michigan state lawmakers to the White House on Friday after personally reaching out to GOP officials ahead of next week’s deadline to certify election results. Others from Pennsylvania may similarly be invited in.”
Washington Post:
Trump suffers twin defeats in effort to reverse Biden’s victory in key states.
Blackburn Called Biden ‘President-Elect’
11:50 pm
Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), a stalwart supporter of President Trump, on Friday referred to Joe Biden as the country’s “president-elect,” a comment her staff later said was a mistake, the Tennessean reports.
She was asked whether she had been in contact with Biden to congratulate him, as president-elect, on his victory.
Said Blackburn: “I have not spoken with the president-elect. We did have the vice president come to the floor, the vice president-elect come to the floor this week to cast a vote. I was presiding at the time. Didn’t get to speak with her.”
SO IT'S NOE A "MISTAKE" TO SPEAK THE TRUTH?
Trump’s Indifference Amounts to Negligent Homicide
10:00 pm
James Fallows:
“More than a year ago, I argued in these pages that if Donald Trump held virtually any other position of responsibility in modern society, he would already have been removed from that role… If any of them had demonstrated the impulsiveness, the irrationality, the vindictiveness, the ceaseless need for glorification that all distinguish Trump, responsible authorities would long ago have suspended them. The stakes—in lives, legal exposure, dollars and cents, war and peace—would be too great to do otherwise.
“At the time of that comparison, the main case against Trump involved his temperamental, intellectual, and moral unfitness for the job. But since then we’ve moved into the realm of manslaughter. Yesterday nearly 2,000 Americans died of COVID-19. By Thanksgiving Day, another 10,000 to 15,000 will have perished. By year’s end, who knows? And meanwhile the person in charge of guiding the national response does nothing.”
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History will put him where he deserves to be put, and he will remain a stain on the GOP long, long into the future.
I didn't realize I was repeating Roger's citation of James Fallows, but it bears repeating.
Trump is committing negligent homicide.
SO IS THE ENTIRE GOP FOR ABETTING TRUMPS LACK OF EMPATHY!!!!!!!
What fun it is yo watch the Three Socialist melt down.
Thanks to each of you.
Keep melting snowflakes.
ATLANTA — President Trump’s attempt to undo the election results was undercut twice by fellow Republicans on Friday, as Georgia became the first contested state to certify Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory and Michigan lawmakers — after meeting with the president — said they would not intervene in their state’s election certification process.
After steady complaints by Mr. Trump about the Georgia vote count and a methodical hand recount, Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, bluntly declared on Friday, “I live by the motto that numbers don’t lie,” and made official the final tally showing Mr. Biden had defeated Mr. Trump by 12,670 votes, out of roughly five million cast. Gov. Brian Kemp, also a Republican, tersely stated that he would sign the certification.
Hours later, a delegation of seven Michigan Republicans, who had met with Mr. Trump at the White House at his request, said they had no information “that would change the outcome of the election in Michigan.” Mr. Biden beat Mr. Trump in the state by nearly three percentage points.
“We will follow the law and follow the normal process regarding Michigan’s electors, just as we have said throughout this election,” the state’s top two Republican leaders said in a statement issued by the State Legislature.
The Republicans are not anti Trumpets, they are Americans!
THIS is GREAT FUN. All the way from Ch's weaker than water thread article to everything else coming in today.
We just hit 12 million Americans infected with the COVID-45 virus.
No original Thoughts.
Now they copy me.
12 million successful tests.
The free land to Blacks without skills is modeled after South Africa model.
Sen. Warren, Booker and Kirsten Gillibrand, learned well.
Exception, they failed to learn the greatest lesson of the failed experience.
Free land for blacks......BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!
They should be sponsoring a mental help bill for idiots like you goat fucker.....you really need help. Energy independence....>>BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
BY THE FARM REPORT NOVEMBER 20, 2020 AG FEATURES
(AG Insider) Black-owned farmland could expand sevenfold under a bill filed by three Democratic senators on Thursday to reverse decades of discriminatory practices by the Agriculture Department, sometimes called “the last plantation.” The Justice for Black Farmers Act would enable Black farmers to acquire up to 160 acres apiece at no charge through a USDA system of land grants.
Under the bill, an Equity Commission would study the legacy of discrimination at the USDA and suggest reforms that could reach the farmer-elected county committees that help guide operations at local USDA offices. An independent board would hear appeals of civil rights complaints decided by USDA officials.
“The Justice for Black Farmers Act is the most ambitious legislative proposal ever developed to address historic and ongoing discrimination against Black farmers,” said John Boyd, president of the National Black Farmers Association, and Scott Faber of the Environmental Working Group, two of the six dozen local and national groups that endorsed the bill. “Black farmers have been systemically denied access to land, subsidies, loans, and other critical tools through government and private discrimination, and the institutional racism that has driven Black land loss is being reinforced through the USDA’s broken policies.”
Copying my post.
Wow, you three know so very little.
The Free Land for blacks plan has an acre going for $600 per acre.
What are they buying , it is not productive row crop of hay ground or pasture .
Anonymous in blue,
you bother to pay attention to KD
That only encourages him.
Nobody cares what he says.
Roger and I ignore him.
That only encourages him.
Yes it does and I get great enjoyment out of him twisting in the wind like the dummy he is!!!
It upsets him far, far more when we just ignore him.
I find it difficult to believe, but apparently Trump actually thought that Rudy's farce of a press conference with Sydney Powell's claim of a massive cybernetic vote steal that was so outrageously flawed and lacking in anything resembling evidence that even Tucker Carlson was forced to debunk her--
apparently Trump actually thought these things would convince the Michigan lawmakers he had flown to Washington and they would suddenly agree with him that a massive election fraud really had taken place.
Michigan Lawmakers Not Persuaded by Trump
6:52 pm EST yesterday
Michigan’s top Republican lawmakers said Friday after a meeting with President Trump at the White House that they have not seen any information that would change President-Elect Joe Biden’s victory in the state, a blow to the president’s efforts to undermine the election results, the Washington Post reports.
In a statement, they vowed not to interfere with the certification process that is expected to be finalized on Monday.
THE SINKING OF THE S.S. TRUMPANTIC.
So now maybe Ch would like to argue that Rudy and Sydney Powell were right.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
We just hit 12 million Americans infected with the COVID-45 virus.
BFD, alky.
the 0linsky record is 60 MILLION infections.
let us know when we break THAT record.
Kyle Rittenhouse Released on Bail Thanks to Donations From Thousands of Real Americans
https://redstate.com/streiff/2020/11/20/kyle-rittenhouse-released-on-bail-thanks-to-donations-from-thousands-of-real-americans-n282885
Kyle Rittenhouse Released on
REAL RED STATE DUMB FUCK AMERICANS!!!!!!! THE KID IS A MURDERER AND YOU CONDON IT!!!
the 0linsky record is 60 MILLION infections.
BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Because 1/2 the population was too fucking stupid to get the available vaccine that he provided!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!! How many more times are you going to post that stupid lie????????
Dennis, you're a smart guy and it shows.
Biden, policies and apponties take center stage.
So far he has taken this moment to further radicalize the Socialist Democrats of America Party.
I want him to be true to his promises.
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump sought to leverage the power of the Oval Office on Friday in an extraordinary attempt to block President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, but his pleas to Michigan lawmakers to overturn the will of their constituents appeared to have left them unswayed.
Trump summoned a delegation of the battleground state’s Republican leadership, including the Senate majority leader and House speaker, in an apparent extension of his efforts to persuade judges and election officials to set aside Biden’s 154,000-vote margin of victory and grant Trump the state’s electors. It came amid mounting criticism that Trump’s futile efforts to subvert the results of the 2020 election could do long-lasting damage to democratic traditions.
That is unpatriotic behavior.
Two top Michigan state lawmakers said following a meeting with President Trump on Friday that they had not seen anything that would change the election outcome in their state and pledged to follow the normal process amid a push from the president and his allies to overturn the result.
“We have not yet been made aware of any information that would change the outcome of the election in Michigan and as legislative leaders, we will follow the law and follow the normal process regarding Michigan’s electors, just as we have said throughout this election,” Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirley and Speaker of the Michigan statehouse Lee Chatfield, both Republicans, said in a joint statement.
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