Wouldn't Trump need to be ahead to declare victory?
There have been several articles written regarding the buzz that the President will somehow attempt to declare some sort of "early victory". Today there is an article suggesting that the Biden camp actually "warns" the Trump camp not to do it.
The reality is that if Biden is the 90% favorite that Silver and others suggest he is, then there is absolutely zero reason to believe that Trump will be ahead at any time during election night. Moreover, the idea of the election being delayed for long periods of time counting mail in ballots has become much more unlikely based on the simple fact that while there were a record amount of mail in and absentee ballots requested, the vast majority of them have been returned. Most states (such as Minnesota) are encouraging late mail in ballots to be dropped off or that the voter otherwise vote in person.
Barring some razor thin margin of victory, late arriving mail in ballots are very unlikely to change the results of any states. In fact, the laws on mail in ballots have not fundamentally changed, and most of the attempts to change them (with a couple of exceptions) have been shot down by the courts. Objective history suggests that we have never before had late arriving mail in ballots change the same day counts in any Presidential election, and there is not much more reason to believe that we will see this in 2020.
What this appears to be is a suggestion that if the unspeakable happens again, and Trump has appeared to win enough states to get to 270 ECV, that the Biden team and DNC are planning to use the courts to overturn those results, as they have attempted in every Presidential election they have lost since 2000. The idea of the President declaring a victory would obviously make those attempts to go to court less popular among a lot of Americans.
What it also means is that the Biden team and Democrats as a whole are quite literally preparing for the idea that Trump might be ahead after election night. What do they know, that the rest of the pollsters do not?
On the flip side, if there is no question that if Biden is leading on election night in enough states to get to 270 electoral college votes, that nobody on the left will have issues with "him" declaring victory.
57 comments:
Will Biden even be up to concede ???
If he is up will he even be coherent ???
And will anyone be able to hear him over the dismayed shrieks of the news anchors ???
Authorities have uncovered an attempt to register dozens of dead people as Democratic voters in Broward County.
Though officials said no mail-in ballots were requested or cast under the falsified voter IDs, the scheme exposes weaknesses in Florida’s voter registration process, which relies partially on the honor system.
An unknown person in Columbia, S.C., submitted at least 54 new voter applications in July in the same neat handwriting to the Broward elections office, several in each of 19 envelopes. Many of the voters were elderly, and had recently died in the Northeast.
Almost all of them were flagged by Broward elections office staff as suspicious, and turned over to the Broward State Attorney’s Office. Prosecutors have been watching since August, in a sting operation to catch the culprit, internal correspondence shows.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/fl-ne-voter-id-fraud-broward-florida-20201030-rfwqzhgfq5fypl4632dspgla7i-story.html
Mary Vought
@MaryVought
D.C is boarded up as if they’re getting a category 5 hurricane.
Left-wing violence is what everyone is preparing for but no one wants to talk about.
https://twitter.com/MaryVought/status/1323263332296630275
https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/01/white-house-fence-election-night-protests/
Radical lefties must be stopped
It's the real election of our lifetime
The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) is requiring restaurants, barbershops, tattoo parlors, recreational facilities, and entertainment establishments to record the names, contact information, and visit times of all customers to “aid with contact tracing.” Any establishment that does not comply is threatened with a maximum $200 fine and a misdemeanor charge punishable with up to six months in prison.
The order, announced Friday, comes as Michigan’s Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and her administration began backtracking on the state’s latest reopening plan and tightening COVID-19 restrictions, citing rising hospitalizations and deaths. Other states including New York have implemented similar contact tracing rules, requiring restaurants to record diners’ information in the case of an outbreak.
“I don’t think it’s fair that we have to wait for a long period of time after the election…
We’re going in the night of — as soon as the election is over — we’re going in with our lawyers.”
— President Trump, quoted by CNN.
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I don't think it's fair to suggest that we don't have to wait for however long it takes to see who really has the most votes.
And no matter what this President himself wants to believe, it ain't over till it's over.
If he is not suggesting that he is going to try to get his lawyers to declare that he won the election ahead of the counting of all the votes, someone please explain to us exactly what he IS saying.
slug life
@Isthishell1
Biden is campaigning with Obama now.
"You didn't build that.
"
"And we'll burn it down."
Even sounds like a crime family
democrats - the party of tolerance and inclusion...
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - When lifelong Democrat Mayra Gomez told her 21-year-old son five months ago that she was voting for Donald Trump in Tuesday's presidential election, he cut her out of his life.
"He specifically told me, 'You are no longer my mother, because you are voting for Trump'," Gomez, 41, a personal care worker in Milwaukee, told Reuters. Their last conversation was so bitter that she is not sure they can reconcile, even if Trump loses his re-election bid.
"The damage is done. In people's minds, Trump is a monster. It's sad. There are people not talking to me anymore, and I'm not sure that will change," said Gomez, who is a fan of Trump's crackdown on illegal immigrants and handling of the economy.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-longer-mother-divided-america-110905675.html
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Home Depot $271
Bbbwwwaaaaa
The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services (MDHHS) is requiring restaurants, barbershops, tattoo parlors, recreational facilities, and entertainment establishments to record the names, contact information, and visit times of all customers to “aid with contact tracing.” Any establishment that does not comply is threatened with a maximum $200 fine and a misdemeanor charge punishable with up to six months in prison.
so commerce in MI is going to come to a standstill.
brilliant.
Cali , Michigan Governor is not Alone.
California is doing the same, locking down and driving businesses out and workers to welfare.
Josh Shapiro
@JoshShapiroPA
If all the votes are added up in PA, Trump is going to lose. That’s why he’s working overtime to subtract as many votes as possible from this process.
For the record, he’s 0-6 against us in court. We’ve protected voting rights. Now, ignore the noise—vote!
https://twitter.com/JoshShapiroPA/status/1322640510637477889
That's the Pennsylvania DA.
Imagine if Barr had said "If all the votes are added up in PA, Biden is going to lose."
Democrat DA's are now just activists, many Soros bought and delivered ...
Biden is ahead
Wis.+10 Biden+4+1
Mich.+8 Biden+4+1
Pa.+6 Biden+1+7
Ariz.+3 Biden+2+2
Fla.+2 Biden<1+4
N.C.+2 Biden
Waiting for an explanation of what Trump really is saying in my 8:49 post.
The states declare the winner not the President or the media.
It's pretty horrible that someone should suggest that all PA's votes should be added up.
The President is behind in the last poll.
The people will vote for one of the candidates and they will choose the President.
thebradfordfile™
@thebradfordfile
Democrats forgot how much voters actually love America.
Trump has never doubted it.
Trump needs another term to find someone w the balls to prosecute the crimes of the Obama cartel.
Let's be honest. President Trump is the greatest ever.
He won't have a phony "peaceful transition of power" from Obama to impede him.
Still waiting for an explanation of what Trump really is saying in my 8:49 post.
Got any ideas, Ch?
Anybody?
Can you tell us in a few short sentences what he intended to say, without a lot of obscurantist verbiage?
Covid cases are setting record high
James, CH is getting incresingly incoherent
JamesNewLeaf said...
It's pretty horrible that someone should suggest that all PA's votes should be added up.
No, but it is horrible for the man in charge to say those votes will elect Biden before they are even counted.
This is an example
Barring some razor thin margin of victory, late arriving mail in ballots are very unlikely to change the results of any states.
Millions of mail ballots can change the results of the election.
😂The people will vote for one of the candidates and they will choose the President.😆
Four years later and still too stupid.
Zvika Klein
@ZvikaKlein
#BREAKING Top Israeli Religious Zionist Rabbis: "Vote for @realDonaldTrump, to you it is a ballot, to us it is a question of life itself". Among the Rabbis: Elder Rav Chaim Druckman, Shmuel Eliyahu, Dov Lior, Yehoshua Shapira and more.
https://makorrishon.co.il/news/278641/
Not just breaking, the dam is breaking !!!
Roger, on FB you hoped you would own a real single family home.
Did that come true?
IF NOT,why not?
Millions of mail ballots can change the results of the election.
And millions of fraudulent ballots can change the result of an election.
Which is why democrats don't want election integrity and measures that make it easy and safe to commit fraud
No, but it is horrible for the man in charge to say those votes will elect Biden before they are even counted.
Was that not an opinion intended to counter an attempt to keep all the votes from being counted?
Solution? Simple: Count them all.
and WANT measures that make it easy and safe to commit fraud
On Joe Biden
"A modest man, who has much to be modest about."
Twitter Names Seven Media Outlets to Call Races
10:02 am
“Twitter provided more details about its policies around tweets that declare election results, and named the seven outlets it will lean on to help it determine whether a race is officially called."
The list includes ABC News, AP, CNN, CBS News, Decision Desk HQ, Fox News and NBC News — all outlets that experts agree have verified, unbiased decision desks calling elections.
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Gasp! You mean we aren't just going to let Donald Trump and his lawyers call this election?
James is cowarding in a corner.
Biden has a combined five-point edge among registered voters across the 12 most competitive battleground states, according to a poll conducted Sunday for NBC News and the Wall Street Journal.
In 2016, Trump won those same states by a combined two-point margin over Democrat Hillary Clinton, 49 percent to 47 percent.
In the new NBC-WSJ poll, Biden draws the support of 51 percent while Trump draws the support of 46 percent of those voters in Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
Election 2020 live updates: Trump to stage another five rallies; Biden focusing heavily on Pennsylvania - The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/02/trump-biden-live-updates/#link-PNMJYSQPLRGQDKUTF74QIJ2MRA
James, doesn't read halfBaked's posts.
Was that not an opinion intended to counter an attempt to keep all the votes from being counted?
No, he said a Biden victory would result.
If so why even hold a sham "election"
After all, he is in charge
And we don't want to count fraudulent votes
Why would anyone in a true democracy
More Battleground State Polls
10:13 am
From Public Policy Polling:
IOWA:
Biden 49%, Trump 48%
From Research & Co.
MICHIGAN:
Biden 50%, Trump 43%
MINNESOTA:
Biden 52%, Trump 43%
OHIO:
Biden 47%, Trump 47%
PENNSYLVANIA:
Biden 50%, Trump 44%
WISCONSIN:
Biden 50%, Trump 42%
From Frederick Polls:
FLORIDA:
Biden 51%, Trump 49%
NORTH CAROLINA:
Biden 51%, Trump 49%
PENNSYLVANIA:
Biden 52%, Trump 48%
Scott asshole all of the votes will not be counted on the evening of the election day
US Supreme Justice Amy Barrett will hear her first Case today.
Man, that freaking rocks.
So historic.
I LOVE the smell of liberal fear the day before an election !!!
That's my "poll"
ROFLMFAO !!!
Biden is ahead
Something I learned is that the polls are not the same thing as the actual election.
OH BOY!
Political Wire
Swing State Poll Finds No Late Shift to Trump
10:18 am EST
Support for President Trump and Joe Biden in a group of battleground states has remained unchanged in recent days, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, finding little evidence of the kind of last-minute shift toward Mr. Trump that helped him win four years ago.
The poll, conducted on Sunday in 12 states in which the election is most competitive, finds Mr. Biden leading, 51% to 46%, essentially unchanged from a survey late last week.
First Read has important context:
Trump won these same states by a combined 2 points in 2016, 49% to 47%.
In August, Hillary Clinton said Democrats would try to steal the election:
“We’ve got to have a massive legal operation, I know the Biden campaign is working on that… Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances”
VIDEO:
https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1323066785558573057
That's why we need a Trump landslide... Biden has a massive legal team assembled to challenge the election results everywhere with a chance of being important.
LORI HENDRY
@Lrihendry
What is it called when the people doing the fact checking are controlled by the same people doing the lying?
Gov. Mike Huckabee
@GovMikeHuckabee
It's called "main stream media" (MSM) commonly known as FAKE NEWS. Alley-way drug dealers have more cred than today's "journalists." Spot-on observation by @Lrihendry!
Same people who put out the fake polls, totally circular.
Any why real news gets no MSM reporting...
VOTE !!!
That's why we need a Trump landslide... Biden has a massive legal team assembled to challenge the election results everywhere with a chance of being important.
lol We need a Biden landslide for the same reason. :-)
Biden Camp Gearing Up For Post-Election Legal Battle With Trump Over Race Results.
Democratic candidate Joe Biden’s campaign is gathering donation funds in preparation for a court battle with President Donald Trump over the outcome of Tuesday’s election.
Politico reported on Monday that campaign staffers recently told donors on the Biden’s Lawyers Committee in a call that Biden needed funds specifically aimed at fighting the legal challenge that Trump has vowed to bring on immediately after Election Day.
One of the lawyers who participated in the call, Joe Cotchett, emphasized in an interview with Politico that potential post-election suits “are going to cost money.”
“Some of it is pro bono legal work,” he said. “But there are the filing fees, the service fees. You need money for all of that.”
There was another call last week in which lawyers helping the former vice president’s campaign told donors that the expected court battle would need “a fundraising apparatus like never before,” according to Politico.
Biden campaign press secretary TJ Ducklo said that “we can leave no doubt on Tuesday that Joe Biden will be the 46th President of the United States” if “Americans continue to show up in overwhelming numbers to make their voices heard.”
“We have also assembled the largest voter protection team in presidential campaign history to ensure every vote is counted,” he said in a statement. “We are prepared for all scenarios, and part of being prepared means having the resources necessary to continue the fight.”
On Sunday, Trump baldly admitted that he and his legal team would contest the election results as soon as Tuesday night.
“We’re going to go in the night of, as soon as that election is over, we’re going in with our lawyers,” he said.
The President is following his feelings, instead of the facts.
He will campaign in Michigan, but he's behind 10%!
Biden is Taking Hillary's Advise.
"“Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances".
Not even IF he losses.
The President is lawyering up!
President Donald Trump said Sunday that he's sending in his lawyers as soon as the election ends Tuesday, his latest attack on the legitimacy of this week's unprecedented vote count.
After landing in North Carolina on Sunday evening, Trump was asked about a report published Sunday in Axios that said he could try to prematurely declare victory on Election Day. Trump denied that he would do so, but he lamented Supreme Court rulings that allowed for Pennsylvania and North Carolina to count absentee ballots that are postmarked before Election Day but arrive shortly after Tuesday.
"I think it was a terrible decision for our country. And I think it was a very dangerous decision for our country," Trump said. "Because you're going to have one or two or three states, depending on how it ends up, where they're tabulating ballots and the rest of the world is waiting to find out. And I think there's great danger to it, and I think a lot of fraud and misuse can take place. I think it's a terrible decision by the Supreme Court. A terrible decision."
He appointed a justice he wanted to ensure his victory
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I hope that they don't find my father!
If Florida is announced for Biden on Tuesday night, the President can't declare victory.
I'm not going to make a prediction yet.
My record isn't very good.
Kerry in a landslide!
Clinton will become the President!
A lot more people in Florida who were going to vote by mail, have decided to vote in person because they don't trust the post office.
They are younger. They might swing Florida blue.
A lot more people in Florida who were going to vote by mail, have decided to vote in person because they don't trust the post office.
smart, seeing as how the parasite postal workers union has endorsed Joe Lid.
Vote suppression
ELECTIONSUndelivered ballots were found at one Miami-Dade post office. Now others being searched
BY AARON LEIBOWITZ AND
ROB WILE
NOVEMBER 01, 2020 06:39 PM,
UPDATED 7 HOURS 2 MINUTES AGO
Play Video
Duration 3:43
Backlogged election mail discovered in a U.S. Postal Service Office in Princeton, Florida
Florida House of Representatives Democratic Leader Kionne L. McGhee addresses reports that special agents with the U.S. Postal Service Office of Inspector General discovered backlogged election mail sitting inside the Princeton post office. BY MATIAS J. OCNER
Two days after inspectors found dozens of undelivered ballots sitting in a post office in South Miami-Dade County, the U.S. Postal Service Office of Inspector General is preparing to sweep other mail facilities in Miami-Dade for ballots that haven’t reached their destination ahead of the Nov. 3 election.
Scott Pierce, the special agent in charge for the USPS Inspector General’s Southern Area Field Office, confirmed to the Miami Herald on Sunday afternoon that special agents “will be busy over the next couple of days conducting several station visits” at mail distribution centers in Miami-Dade.
Pierce wouldn’t disclose which locations or how many would be searched.
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“Our investigation continues and, at this time, we aren’t releasing any additional statements,” he said.
On Friday night, agents discovered 48 ballots in the Princeton post office near Homestead after State Rep. Kionne McGhee tweeted a video that showed a backlog of undelivered mail piling up at the facility. McGhee said the video was shared with him anonymously by a concerned USPS employee.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article246877307.html
It would have been fun to try and keep up with me on a construction job.
The skilled trades required a four year apprenticeship program. Construction is very complex.
"6 figure income " Roger
Nope. A huge lie.
Joe will not cooperate with FBI in the Hunter Criminal Investigation.
It would have been fun to try and keep up with me on a construction job.
fun? not really.
easy? most definitely.
alky, every farmer in America possesses not only a high degree of competency in carpentry, but at least a dozen other trades as well. from agonomy to veterinary medicine, there was never enough $$$ to hire a specialist every time, so you learned the skill and did it yourself.
get over yourself, champ.
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