Seventeen states are now part of the lawsuit originally filed by Texas
Make no mistake, the changes of this lawsuit succeeding is about the same as our favorite senile nursing home resident's chances of "actually" objectively winning a statistical or legal debate with anyone at anytime. Which is to say that the chances are "slim to none" and reports are that "slim was seen a while back leaving the building".
That doesn't mean that technically the case doesn't have legal merit. After all, nothing the lawsuit states can really be argued. These states "did" in fact change their election laws by executive decree in a manner that was not consistent with the laws that their legislature put forward. By all constitutional accounts, this is a clear violation. Black and white.
But the time to litigate these changes was "before" the election and the feckless Justice Roberts cast the deciding vote (4-4) in many of these cases that allowed these changes to take place. It would be one thing had the courts ruled against these states and they went ahead with their proposed changes anyways. But that is not what happened.
As it were, the states did in fact run their elections in a manner that might be unconstitutional (and probably would have been ruled so if we had a full court back when this was all being litigated). But the fact that the USSC already ruled sort of trumps the underlying concept that those 4-4 rulings were probably wrong.
At this point the elections were held and those citizens voted within the guidelines (right or wrong) that were supposed to follow. You cannot punish voters or states for following the court rulings in these situations, which is what this lawsuit aims to do.
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Thank you for acknowledging that I have out thought you for years, since soars!
CNBC
“Joe Biden is the President-Elect.”
Paxton, a Republican who remains under indictment for state felony securities fraud charges, is asking the high court for permission to sue the four states to block their certification of Biden’s wins in them.
Paxton argues that a block is warranted because of supposedly improper changes to voting procedures there in the past year, purportedly different treatment of voters in Democratic-heavy areas, and voting “irregularities.”
The four swing-state defendants are set to file their replies in opposition to Paxton’s requests of the court by 3 p.m. on Thursday.
The effort comes as all states have certified their individual presidential election results, which show that Biden easily won the national popular vote.
Biden is projected to win the Electoral College when it meets Monday with 36 more votes than the 270-vote minimum needed to clinch the White House.
Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel on Tuesday said Paxton’s filing “is a publicity stunt, not a serious legal pleading.”
“The erosion of confidence in our democratic system isn’t attributable to the good people of Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia or Pennsylvania but rather to partisan officials, like Mr. Paxton, who place loyalty to a person over loyalty to their country,” Nessel said in a statement.
“The Michigan issues raised in this complaint have already been thoroughly litigated and roundly rejected in both state and federal courts – by judges appointed from both political parties. Mr. Paxton’s actions are beneath the dignity of the office of Attorney General and the people of the great state of Texas.”
Trump has refused to concede the election to Biden, claiming without evidence that he was the victim of widespread ballot fraud.
Trump and his campaign, as well as their political allies, have repeatedly failed in their legal attempts to invalidate votes for Biden.
The Supreme Court on Tuesday declined to hear a separate bid from Trump-allied Republicans challenging Biden’s win in Pennsylvania.
Election law experts saw that apparently unanimous rejection as a signal that the remaining efforts to overturn Biden’s win were all but doomed at the Supreme Court.
But the GOP plaintiffs in that case plan to petition the high court for a formal appeal, The Hill reported Wednesday.
The president and his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, recently have pushed for legislatures in battleground states whose popular elections were won by Biden to overrule their citizens, and to appoint a slate of electors for Trump to the Electoral College.
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Basically they don't have standing to discredit the popular vote in the four states they are trying to overturn.
We are a federal nation and each state has the right to conduct their elections.
The use of executive decrees or executive orders, is an issue we may agree.
We haven't declared war since 1942. Executive power troubled the founding fathers. The King of England and his authority troubled them. That's why the executive branch is the weakest branch.
The Congress can tax and determine how it is spent. Trump took money from the defense department to pay for the wall.
He's not the first person to do that.
feckless Justice Roberts will go down in history as one of best.
He's a conservative, but he swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United states. I don't agree with original intent. Decisions made hundreds of years ago were based upon various beliefs that science and racial views that have changed.
There are different opinions but I don't think that absolute truth exists. We are just advanced apes!
Why do stupid GOP slurpers have such aversion for mask wearing for the good of the country?????? Why are officials fearing for their lives for doing their jobs??? Why does the GOP hate elections????? Why did Lil Schitty turn into an idiot??????
I said this on Facebook in regards to this horror story
This is the most dangerous moment in the history of the United States.
They want to overturn the election. If they succeed the American dream is over.
I have faith in the Supreme Court, despite a conservative majority the President stacked, will deny the President's attempt to become a dictator.
Why did the GOP in Az ask members if they would die for trump??????? Rat and Lil Schitty raised their hands!!!!!!
You have been here long enough to remember Indy!
He's not a Democrat or a Republican.
He told me that Scott lost his mind five years ago when he became a Trumpist.
I have been checking out on psychologist websites and how people like Trump draft them!
The party's official Twitter account on Monday night shared a post from Ali Alexander, an activist with an organization called "Stop the Steal" that has protested election results.
"I am willing to give my life for this fight," Alexander wrote. When sharing his comment, the GOP asked followers: "He is. Are you?"
The party then posted a clip from the movie "Rambo", highlighting the quote: “This is what we do, who we are. Live for nothing, or die for something.”
Scott, probably believes that the election was stolen. He knows that the suit has about a zero percent chance of winning.
But the underlying problem is that he's calling our election invalid. I think that he's putting his political beliefs over the fundamental rights Reserved to the people to choose our leaders.
That kind of thinking led to facism in Germany and Adolf Hitler.
Trump's legacy.
Since last February, more than a quarter of a million Americans have died from COVID-19—a fifth of the world’s deaths from the disease, the highest number of any country. In the three years before the pandemic, 2.3 million Americans lost their health insurance, accounting for up to 10,000 “excess deaths”; millions more lost coverage during the pandemic. The United States’ score on the human-rights organization Freedom House’s annual index dropped from 90 out of 100 under President Barack Obama to 86 under Trump, below that of Greece and Mauritius. Trump withdrew the U.S. from 13 international organizations, agreements, and treaties. The number of refugees admitted into the country annually fell from 85,000 to 12,000. About 400 miles of barrier were built along the southern border. The whereabouts of the parents of 666 children seized at the border by U.S. officials remain unknown.
Trump reversed 80 environmental rules and regulations. He appointed more than 220 judges to the federal bench, including three to the Supreme Court—24 percent female, 4 percent Black, and 100 percent conservative, with more rated “not qualified” by the American Bar Association than under any other president in the past half century. The national debt increased by $7 trillion, or 37 percent. In Trump’s last year, the trade deficit was on track to exceed $600 billion, the largest gap since 2008. Trump signed just one major piece of legislation, the 2017 tax law, which, according to one study, for the first time brought the total tax rate of the wealthiest 400 Americans below that of every other income group. In Trump’s first year as president, he paid $750 in taxes. While he was in office, taxpayers and campaign donors handed over at least $8 million to his family business.
BREAKING: The following 18 states have joined Texas's lawsuit to demand that SCOTUS overturn the election. They have made it crystal clear they don't actually care for the Constitution.
•Alabama
•Arkansas
•Florida
•Indiana
•Kansas
•Louisiana
•Mississippi
•Missouri
•Montana
•Nebraska
•North Dakota
•Oklahoma
•South Carolina
•South Dakota
•Tennessee
•Texas
•Utah
•West Virginia
The fact that GOP politicians continue to support this violation of basic justice is not remarkable at this point. They're 1-53 in the courts and continue to decay at our democracy. But the American people must stand up for justice & reject this unjust behavior. What an utter travesty for our nation.
FLORIDIANS: it’s time to ask for the resignation’s of Matt Gaetz, Marco Rubio, Rick Scott, and Ron DeSantis.
We have lost more than 3,000 people today!
Our President is trying to steal the election and become a dictator!
Not ONE Republican legislators have said anything !
Scott asshole defends the President!
Kansas is Govenor is a Leftist Democrat.
Alky painted her as Anti Constitutional.
Roger, CA Gov. Newsome pocket $3 million in Relief money.
13 posts von this thread and 10 of them from Roger. And they all dumbass spam. Get a life dude.
The Secretary of state in Kansas filed on. Not the governor kputz
George Orwell wrote in his masterpiece 1984.
[Winston Smith’s] heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right. The obvious, the silly, and the true had got to be defended. Truisms are true, hold on to that! The solid world exists, its laws do not change. Stones are hard, water is wet, objects unsupported fall towards the earth’s center. With the feeling he was speaking to O’Brien, and also that he was setting forth an important axiom, he wrote: Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two makes four. If that is granted, all else follows.
Roger, stick to what you have a half ass chance of getting right, .CA. politics.
Kansas Socialist Democrat Governor Machine Gun Kelly has the power to Stop the. KS AG.
She didn't, so suck on it dumb panhandler.
Kputz's head is up Trump's asshole.
In mid-November, as President Donald Trump railed against the election results, his wife, first lady Melania Trump publicly agreed with his sentiments. But privately, a handful of days after the final state tally, the first lady tasked an emissary with discreetly finding out what was available to her in terms of budget and staff allocation for post-White House life.
While the President is busy figuring out a way to stay in the White House, the first lady is determining what to put in storage, what goes to Trump's New York City digs, and what should be tagged for shipment to Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach, Florida.
"She just wants to go home," said another source familiar with Melania Trump's state of mind. Asked how the first lady feels about rumors her husband might announce a 2024 bid, the source added: "That might not go over well."
Federal law provides a procedure under which, on January 6, Congress will convene to count the electoral votes. If Texas’s elected representatives, or those of any other state, object to the counting any state’s electoral votes, Congress will hear, debate, and vote on those objections at that point — mindful of what such disputes may portend for comity between the states. There is, however, no way the Supreme Court is going to entertain Texas’s lawsuit. There is also no way, I suspect, that Paxton doesn’t know that.
Trump's New Lawyer Has Promoted Birther Conspiracy Theories About Kamala Harris' Citizenship.
Joe Walsh
I cover breaking news for Forbes.
As promised, President Donald Trump asked to join Texas’ longshot Supreme Court bid to overturn his electoral losses on Wednesday, but the president’s motion was not signed by a member of his campaign’s fabled “elite strike force” of public-facing lawyers — instead, the attorney of record is John C. Eastman, a conservative law professor best-known for dubiously arguing that Vice President-elect Kamala Harris might not be a native-born U.S. citizen.
Real lawyers won't work for the lame duck President.
I had the unfortunate opportunity to view what appeared to be a screen shot of a website post that Trumpers are using as evidence of voter fraud. Some Chinese guy who "swears to God" he saw illegal ballots being printed in China and SAW them packed into a shipment of prescription drugs to be smuggled into Canada then across the border to be distributed to Democratic voters in the states where Trump lost. The screen shot included photos of stacks of paper (you couldn't see what, if anything, was written on them) in what looked like a warehouse. He swears to God it's all true and there was a bunch of writing within the paragraphs in Chinese (guess that made it authentic). I not sure how Democrats used these "ballots" to commit fraud and didn't really get an answer when I asked the person posting this info why they didn't just send a bogus ballot as a pdf email attachment to be printed in the U.S. or even why Democrats needed the Chinese at all since there are so many software programs that can be use to duplicate or edit a real ballot, or how these fake ballots would pass the voter ID and registration test for each state but....they believe what they want to believe and they SWEAR TO GOD it's true and this evidence will be presented to the US Supreme Court and Donald Trump will be president forever and ever. Amen.
The hot news today has been Eric Swalwell.
As part of what seems to be a fairly extensive counterintelligence investigation into the degree to which Chinese intelligence has acquired influence in US politics, it appears that they’ve discovered that the California branch of the Democrat party could easily be mistaken for a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Chinese government. In my recent post, Jim Sciutto Gives Eric Swalwell a Tongue Bath (NTTAWWT) Instead of Holding Him Accountable for His Compromise by Chinese Intelligence, I detail how Dianne Feinstein kept a Chinese intelligence agent on her personal staff for over 20 years. READ: How the FBI Let a Chinese Spy Skate to Protect This Powerful Democrat. I also link to our post about senior Chinese officials feeling so comfortable and confident about their penetration of the Democrat Party that they actually bragged about their influence and their ability to shape American policy toward China;
We have a troll squad
Mitt Romney - ""It's just simply madness -- the idea of supplanting the vote of the people with partisan legislators is so completely out of our national character that it's simply mad,"
RINO
😷We have a troll squad😃
Members are:, Alky, Jane and Dennys.
AKA, The Three Socialist Stooges of CHT.
They Locked Down, Masked Up and gave in to unbridled Socialism.
And yet, California death rate from Covid is at a new record daily high.
The GOP.....their bedrock of being to remain in power.....VIOLENCE AND IDIOTS WHO FOLLOW TRUMP BLINDLY!!!!!!!!
3K DEAD IN ONE DAY... And trump whines like a little girl that lost her dolly......BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
ras/Bloomberg)
Opinion by Editorial Board
Dec. 9, 2020 at 5:21 p.m. EST
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PRESIDENT TRUMP’S lying about the election has become dangerous — and not just in the sense that it damages democratic norms. It also increasingly threatens to spur physical violence against Americans who have done their duty to oversee a free and fair vote.
Officials in Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Kentucky, Minnesota, Vermont and Wisconsin have reported receiving threats or harassment. The Arizona Republican Party asked its Twitter followers Tuesday if they were willing to give their lives to overturn the election and “die for something.”
Armed “protesters” menaced Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson (D) and her family in their home over the weekend. “Someone’s going to get killed,” said Gabriel Sterling, a senior Georgia election official, as he detailed last week the death threats he and others have received. Yet, Mr. Trump continues to pour gasoline on the fire, tweeting Wednesday that “We will soon be learning about the word ‘courage’, and saving our Country.” Kim Ward, the majority leader of the Pennsylvania state Senate, told the New York Times that if she refused to cooperate with efforts to challenge the election result, “I’d get my house bombed tonight.”
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The MAGA march on D.C. showed Trump supporters are not a monolith, but their dedication to the president is singular. (Joy Sharon Yi, Kate Woodsome/The Washington Post)
A silver lining in Mr. Trump’s post-election tantrum has been witnessing mostly state-level Republicans stand up for the democratic process against extreme pressure from the president and his supporters. Yet in many of these cases, the officials involved had no legal option to do otherwise. And even some of those who did the right thing when the law demanded it have turned around and attacked others caught between official responsibilities and partisan pressure — in an attempt to pass the buck onto some other official who does not have the luxury of denying the truth.
Pennsylvania House Speaker Bryan Cutler (R) has reportedly refused Mr. Trump’s requests to have the state legislature award Pennsylvania’s electors to the president, a move state law barred him from taking. But he sought to placate Trumpers by signing a letter demanding that Pennsylvania’s members of Congress move to reject the state’s pro-Biden electoral votes. The goal is to focus angry base voters on congressional Republicans, forcing them to cast the hard vote to accept the election
“I nominate Xavier Bawk-ah-ria.”
https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1336462985741656065
i think that's the beaner version of diarrhea.
LOL.
Twitter.....the bastion of idiots and morons!!!!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Great catch you dumb fuck......Trump never mis pronounced anything!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL
According to the kputz and ballsless and the racist rodent bastard believe that the lame duck President is the best ever elected
Initial jobless claims soared to 853,000 last week, as the surge in coronavirus cases pushed more businesses to implement stricter measures on social distancing, forcing more people out of their job.
More than 3,000 Covid-related deaths were recorded across the country Wednesday,
By Pete Williams
President Donald Trump calls it "the big one," but the Texas lawsuit seeking to invalidate President-elect Joe Biden's election victory at the Supreme Court has several problems that doom it, according to experts on election law.
To cite a glaring one, the lawsuit, which Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton filed Monday, calls on the court to delay the electoral vote in the four targeted states, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, to allow investigations of voting issues to continue. That would be unconstitutional, said Edward Foley of the Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University. He points out that Article II, Section 4, says that Congress can choose the day the electors meet to vote but that it also says the day "shall be the same throughout the United States." This year, it's Dec. 14, five days from now.
The second hurdle is that Texas has no legal right to claim that officials elsewhere didn't follow the rules set by their own legislatures. The United States doesn't have a national election for president. It has a series of state elections, and one state has no legal standing to challenge how another state conducts its elections any more than Texas could challenge how Georgia elects its senators, legal experts said.
fang fang fucky fucky eric shartwell long time.
LOL.
just your friendly reminder that everything the left accuses the right of doing THEY ARE DOING themselves.
From last night:
Trump Pressures Congressional GOP to Overturn Election
8:52 pm EST
“President Trump is shifting his focus to Congress after the courts roundly rejected his bid to overturn the results of the election, pressuring congressional Republicans into taking a final stand tokeep him in power,” the Washington Post reports.
“Trump’s push is part of a multipronged approach as he also seeks to lobby state and federal lawmakers to give him cover for his unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud, as well as rally support for a last-gasp legal challenge in the Supreme Court that election law experts almost universally dismiss.”
HEADLINES, ETC. from this morning at politicalwire.com.
Web topic items boldfaced
U.S. Sent Bombers to Persian Gulf
Sexual Misconduct Shakes FBI’s Senior Ranks
Jobless Claims Rise Sharply to 853,000
People Connected to White House, Trump Get Covid Treatments Unavailable to Most
*include Ben Carson, Chris Christie and Rudy Giuliani.
Deborah Birx Seeks Role In Biden Government
Biden to Campaign In Atlanta Next Week
President-elect Joe Biden will campaign in Georgia on Tuesday for Senate runoff candidates Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports.
A Trump Comeback Is Not Going to Happen
John Harris: “For now, Trump dominates conversations about both present and future. His outlandish claims that he won the election except for comprehensive fraud have helped raise more than $200 million since Election Day. Many of his partisans share his dream of recapturing the presidency in 2024. For those who despise him, to paraphrase a famous Democratic speech, it seems clear the work goes on, the cause endures, the fear still lives, and the nightmare shall never die. Except it will die — most likely with more speed and force than looks possible today.”
Taegan Goddard says:
No, Trump Won’t Be a Shadow President.
Biden Explores Doug Jones for Attorney General
Biden’s Win Is Sealed
6:33 am EST
Associated Press: “Biden’s victory was essentially locked in Tuesday by the so-called safe harbor deadline set by federal law for states to finish their certifications and resolve legal disputes. It’s an insurance policy to guard against Congress trying to manipulate the electoral votes that will be cast next week and sent to the Capitol for counting on Jan. 6.”
GOP Senators Ready to Acknowledge Biden Won
6:31 am
“A growing number of Senate Republicans are ready to publicly acknowledge what’s been widely known for weeks but what they’ve refused to say: Joe Biden won the presidency and will be sworn in on January 20,” CNN reports.
“What they’re less certain about: What President Donald Trump will do after the Electoral College votes on Monday and how they plan to respond if he won’t concede after Biden is the official winner.”
and more:
Hunter Biden Probe Broader Than Indicated
Feinstein’s Missteps Raise a Painful Age Question [Is she really losing it? her short-term memory has grown so poor that she often forgets she has been briefed on a topic, accusing her staff of failing to do so just after they have. They describe Feinstein as forgetting what she has said and getting upset when she can’t keep up.”]
Minnesota Town Allows White Supremacist Church
Biden Will Disinfect White House After Trump Leaves
Obamacare Approval Ties All Time High
9:53 pm
A new Gallup poll finds Americans’ support for the 2010 Affordable Care Act has increased to a record-tying high of 55% after averaging 51% from 2017 through 2019.
U.S. Daily Deaths from Virus Top 3,000
9:22 pm EST
“Just one week after the United States broke a daily record for coronavirus deaths, it did so again on Wednesday, when officials across the country reported at least 3,011 new fatalities,” the New York Times reports.
so...
it could be that Slow Joe names lil Petey Butt Plug our ambassador to China.
fitting, as America will be taking it up the ass from Chi-coms under a Slow Joe an da Ho's "America Last" administration.
btw, has Cum-Allah resigned her senate seat yet?
LOL.
Roger Amick said...
The second hurdle is that Texas has no legal right to claim that officials elsewhere didn't follow the rules set by their own legislatures. The United States doesn't have a national election for president. It has a series of state elections, and one state has no legal standing to challenge how another state conducts its elections any more than Texas could challenge how Georgia elects its senators, legal experts said.
leave it to nbc and the alky to miss the point entirely and to introduce a flaming straw man to prove it.
the issue is the fact that election laws were changed by the judicial and/or executive branches in each of the states in direct contravention of the Constitution and violation of state laws; only the states' legislative branches have the authority to do so.
PA being the most flagrant example imho. their supreme court (5 D's, 2 R's) arbitrarily took it upon themselves to ease voting rules, granting 3 days of additional time AFTER election day, coupled with NO signature and NO postmark requirement.
flatly in violation of PA law. and since the outcome of one state DOES impact the others, the 18 states (and counting) who are challenging this are will with their rights to do so.
He's a conservative, but he swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United states.
Obviously you didn't read any of these decisions. Roberts specifically admitted in his own rulings that addressing Covid as an "emergency" was more important than whatever "constitutional issues" arose.
This was a very big back and forth in the most recent 5-4 ruling regarding the religious liberty issues. Gorsuch and Alito both took shots at Roberts and his argument that the "constitution is put on hold" during medical emergencies. Robert's response was weak and "feckless" in his defense of why he decided to not limit executive power in these situations.
In fact, Roberts actually at one point referred to the whole "listening to the experts" argument and not putting constitutional restrictions on leaders attempting to fight the virus.
You can choose to agree or disagree with Roberts (and the three liberals). But you cannot argue that their overriding concern was "the constitution". It wasn't and they admitted such.
GOP Lawmaker Solicits Republicans to Overturn Vote
10:06 am EST
Rep. Mike Johnson (R-LA) circulated an email, obtained by CBS News, from his personal account to GOP members Wednesday that asked them to sign on to a brief with the Supreme Court in support of a long-shot lawsuit filed by Texas seeking to delay certification of presidential electors in four battleground states won by President-elect Joe Biden.
White House Repeatedly Turned Down More Vaccine
9:59 am
The Trump administration repeatedly turned down the chance to order tens of millions of additional doses of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine — even once we understood its effectiveness, The Daily reports.
Michael Barbaro:
“Warning: you will be mad by the end of the episode.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/10/podcasts/the-daily/pfizer-vaccine-us.html
Scott, you have become an absolute Trump toady.
In your world, an election is not a fair and legitimate election unless Trump SAYS it is.
Worth repeating:
Biden’s Win Is Sealed
6:33 am EST
Associated Press:
“Biden’s victory was essentially locked in Tuesday by the so-called safe harbor deadline set by federal law for states to finish their certifications and resolve legal disputes. It’s an insurance policy to guard against Congress trying to manipulate the electoral votes that will be cast next week and sent to the Capitol for counting on Jan. 6.”
In your world, an election is not a fair and legitimate election unless Trump SAYS it is.
Did you even "read" my post?
I state flat out that the lawsuit is wrong and won't succeed and provide reasons why for both.
The fact is that you and Roger are both in your own little worlds and still blame literally "everything" that you don't agree with on the "bad orange man".
What the hell are you going to do when he is no longer President and you cannot make these asinine arguments anymore?
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