Concerned about rioting and personal safety
I did not want to go through rioting and destruction again and I was concerned about people coming to my house if they were not happy with the verdict.
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She discussed that Tobin was the medical expert that she trusted because he broke it down to a level she understood and walked them through the process. For me, the manner in which Tobin walked through the process without ever explaining how he could possibly "know" much of what he claimed (levels of Oxygen, CO, heart rate, etc...) made me actually less trustful of his testimony. So ironically the very thing that made him believable to this juror (and one would assume other jurors) was what made me suspicious.
Moreover, there was no explanation in her notes as to why she felt Fowler was not believable, but she did mention in her interview that the experts collectively were basically saying the same thing, so it would appear that she found Fowler to be "outnumbered" and therefore not believable. This, of course, is why cumulative testimony is generally not allowed and why Nelson objected to many of these witnesses as duplicate or cumulative. The fact that the Judge continued to allow such cumulative testimony would generally be grounds for an appeal. But there is no way that any Minnesota court will uphold an appeal and force the state to go through another trial.
It also makes you wonder if the problems with some of the other defense witnesses played a part in that. At least one of these witnesses apparently backed out because he feared for his own safety. Something that was not without merit considering Barry Brood's old house (his address on file) was decorated with a combination of pig blood and pig head. Both Eric Nelson the defense attorney and Eric Nelson the local family law attorney have received death threats.
Ultimately the juror referred to the video and repeated the debunked rhetoric that Chauvin's knee was "on the neck" for so long. That was not even an argument made by the prosecution's own use of force witnesses, who admitted that the bulk of the weight of Chauvin was on the back. But it tells you how powerful first impressions and ad nauseum media and politically driven narratives are almost impossible to overcome. Or in this case literally impossible.
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But it tells you how powerful first impressions and ad nauseum media and politically driven narratives are almost impossible to overcome. Or in this case literally impossible.
In jury selection, Christensen, a White woman in her 50s, said she worked until recently in customer service in a suburban business that was damaged in the civil unrest after Floyd’s death. She said she had a “somewhat negative” view of Chauvin, but generally trusts police and believes people who follow their instructions have nothing to fear.
The evil MSM caused fear of violence was the reason why they decided that there was no reasonable doubt on their decision to convict Officer Chauvin.
As usual for you Scott
the manner in which Tobin walked through the process without ever explaining how he could possibly "know" much of what he claimed (levels of Oxygen, CO, heart rate, etc...) made me actually less trustful of his testimony.
Tobin is one of the respected and experienced expert in the country. You want to believe differently.
Objective thinking seems to be a difficult task Scott.
My emotions don't make think about almost anything but my personal life. When it comes to a matter of judgment on the law, I do my best to be honest and again objective.
Tobin didn't intend to convict officer Chauvin.
"Helsinki syndrome."
Leave to Roger to get it so Spectacularly wrong.
Roger, 70 Birthday, well happy Birthday.
Thanks
I'm not saying anything but that we need reform of the police system in the United States of America, for the good of the people.
ELIZABETH CITY, N.C. (AP) — Seven North Carolina deputies have been placed on leave in the aftermath of a Black man being shot and killed by members of their department serving drug-related search and arrest warrants, authorities said Friday.
The disclosure comes as calls increase for the release of deputy body camera footage amid signs, including emergency scanner traffic, that Andrew Brown Jr. was shot in the back and killed as he was trying to drive away.
Pasquotank County Sheriff’s Office Maj. Aaron Wallio confirmed the number of deputies on leave due to the shooting in an email Friday. Sheriff Tommy Wooten II has previously said that multiple deputies fired shots and were placed on leave after Brown was killed Wednesday morning.
Wallio’s email also said that another three deputies have recently resigned, but he later clarified that the resignations were unrelated to the shooting. He said the department has about 55 total sworn deputies.
Democratic Gov. Roy Cooper joined calls for the swift release of the body camera footage, saying that initial reports of what happened “are tragic and extremely concerning.”
The body camera videos have not been released to the family of Andrew Brown.
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/triangle-sandhills/news/2021/04/24/7-deputies-on-leave-after-fatal-shooting-of-black-man
Roger Amick said...
I'm not saying anything but that we need reform of the police system in the United States of America, for the good of the people.
Trump and the Republicans tried to but the Democrats filibustered it just last year.
They've done that a lot on civil rights issues in the past.
Maybe to unite people the dems can bring it back.
I wonder if it's just a coincidence that the Washington Post puts out a hit piece on Scott at the time police reform is back on the front burner ?
He is the black Republican Senator who was thwarted by obviously racist democrats with his police reform bill.
Of course the hit piece has boomeranged.
And now people are clamoring for it.
Why didn't Joe support it last year while he was campaigning.
Or couldn't he support it because it was sponsored by a black republican?
Joe does share some traits of that Washington Post "fact-checker"
https://www.newamericanjournal.net/2021/04/earth-day-2021-ineffectual-response-to-coronavirus-pandemic-shows-the-world-is-not-prepared-to-deal-with-threats-from-nuclear-weapons-or-climate-change/
The very conservative website says that we need a Civilian Conservation Corps
Roger Amick said...
The very conservative website
from their website:
This is a battle for the soul of America. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris can beat Trump, but need your help.
and links to actblue...
Look you don't have any credibility, you don't need to make it worse.
They probably suffer from “Helsinki Syndrome”
Just like you do shorty......bWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
Contributor...
Robert Reich is Chancellor’s Professor of Public Policy at the University of California at Berkeley and Senior Fellow at the Blum Center for Developing Economies.
Well at least he's working for someone from the Sierra Club, a noted conservative organization.
You do understand what conservative means and are not confusing it with conservationist right ???
THWAP !!!
ROFLMFAO !!!
https://www.cafepress.com/newamericanjournalnet
Hey alky, you can buy their gear, Trump being chased by a "watchdog" on ALL their merchandise.
Very conservative of them.
Are you really this fucked up ???
THWAP !!!
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10165570381155647&id=890775646
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TWAP!
I probably blocked you on Facebook because you're a fucking joke
The author is Glynn Wilson not Reich PhD
It worked for me asshole like kputz's asshole
I’ve never looked for you on FB Alky so I doubt you’ve blocked me.
You always post broken links, it’s your dementia and delusional belief of your life
You are a Republican not a RINO if you believe.
Do you believe that no person, especially a black person has the right to complain about Police Brutality?
Do you believe that anyone who stormed the Capitol on January 6th was a HERO?
Can the Republican Party still consider themselves the Party of Family Values after supporting Donald Trump, who cheated on all of his wives, paid hush money to porn stars and playboy models, and approved of men grabbing women by the pussies?
Should Ron Johnson, Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, and the rest of the Republican party continue to spread the “BIG LIE” about the election being rigged?Should men, and only men decide what a woman can and can not do with her own body?
If Republican Jim Jordan is found guilty of covering up Sexual Abuses at Ohio State, should he be allowed to remain in Congress?Should the Republican Party continue to use the “BIG LIE“ as a reason to make it more difficult for people to VOTE?
If you agree you are a truther troll squad asshole like Cali the alcoholic troll squad asshole
https://www.facebook.com/roger.amick
Check that out
An alternate juror in Derek Chauvin’s trial told reporters Thursday that Dr. Martin Tobin, the soft-spoken doctor who explained how George Floyd died, convinced her of the former police officer’s guilt.
“Dr. Tobin was like the turning point for me,” said Lisa Christensen. “I appreciate him explaining it in the way that all of us could understand it. I understood what he was saying. I thought it was very powerful — probably the most important witness they had.”
Tobin, a pulmonologist who studies the physiology of breathing, testified that Floyd died of low oxygen due to Chauvin’s restraint. Christensen praised the way he narrated key, specific moments in the video that might have otherwise been missed.
“I feel like he could actually point out, going through the video, saying, ‘Hey at this instance right here is where Mr. Floyd lost his life,’ ” she said.
As an alternate juror, Christensen sat through the entire trial but was dismissed prior to deliberations, so she was not one of the 12 jurors who voted to convict Chauvin on two counts of murder and one count of manslaughter.
Still, her comments are the first public indication of what jurors in court every day felt and thought of the case against the former Minneapolis Police officer. Her analysis also fits neatly with what court viewers and legal analysts said of the most powerful witnesses.
In a press conference as well as in an interview on “CBS This Morning,” she said she believed Chauvin was guilty.
“I didn’t know if he was going to be guilty on all counts, but I would have said guilty,” she told CBS.
Sympathy and praise for 17-year-old bystander
In the CBS interview, she also praised Darnella Frazier, the teenage bystander who took clear and intimate video of Floyd’s final moments. At the trial, Frazier testified she lost sleep at night apologizing to Floyd for not doing more to save him.
“She feels responsible in a way, and I feel really bad for her, but I commend her for taking the video because without her I don’t think this would have been possible,” Christensen said.
By contrast, she didn’t think the defense witnesses had a good impact and she had negative views of defense attorney Eric Nelson.
“I think he over-promised in the beginning and didn’t live up to what he said he was going to do,” she said.
Nelson has not commented to CNN since the verdict.
Christenson also expressed discomfort with Chauvin himself, who appeared in court every day but did not testify.
“We locked eyes quite a few times and I was pretty uncomfortable,” she said.
Christensen said watching the video of Floyd’s death, which she hadn’t seen in full before, left her in tears a couple times. And she expressed her continued confusion about how a suspected fake $20 bill got so out of hand.
“I just don’t understand how it got from a counterfeit $20 bill to a death,” she said. “It kind of shocks me.”
The jurors in the high-profile case were unnamed and unseen on camera to protect their identity.
In jury selection, Christensen, a White woman in her 50s, said she worked until recently in customer service in a suburban business that was damaged in the civil unrest after Floyd’s death. She said she had a “somewhat negative” view of Chauvin, but generally trusts police and believes people who follow their instructions have nothing to fear.
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