Tuesday, April 6, 2021

Chauvin trial - where are we at?

By pretty much all accounts, the prosecution had a rough day. When it appears that the entire team of State attorneys got out-maneuvered and out-smarted by Chauvin's one man team, that says something. Perhaps Court TV will start to revive the idea that the State is purposely throwing the case. 


But after seven days of statements and testimony, where are we at? What has the prosecution proved or attempted to prove so far.
  • We have seen a bunch of witnesses to testified as to how the whole ordeal made them feel. We even had a nine year old girl provide testimony that was identical to two additional minors who testified. We also had one self proclaimed nosey older gentleman who broke down crying on the stand. If nothing else, the state has made a good case that most everyone there was upset by what transpired.
  • We have seen a whole lot of police officers and such tell us that what Officer Chauvin did was not by the book. But to pretty much a person, they admitted under cross examination that the actual neck restraint is actually a known police move and that the degree of how it is used is generally fluid. The best qualified of the bunch (a trainer) admitted that he has had occasion in the past to hold a suspect down for as long as necessary and that that time might even push upwards of ten minutes depending. On top of that we had a bystander with some MMA training who suggested that Chauvin's knee to the neck was a "blood choke hold". He even claimed to have seen some variant of the move in MMA matches. File that under things that make you go hmmm.
  • We have had several medical personnel testify under oath that Floyd died of asphyxiation with implication that it was due to some form of strangulation or choke. Under direct they downplayed the idea that Floyd could have been suffering from a drug overdose, but under cross examination they seemed unable to draw any reasonable medical certainty to that opinion. At least one of them admitted that they never received any information or indication that there was drug use at the time they examined Floyd, so they hadn't considered it. This particular witness even admitted that much of what he saw in the examination was consistent with a possible opioid overdose.
Now, we are only in the infancy of this trial and one has to figure that the prosecution has better witnesses in their back pocket. Certainly would want to save their best for last as they say. But I think it's fair to say that they are a long way from proving their case beyond a reasonable doubt. One might even suggest that an honest judge would have to consider if the state met any part of it's burden if they rested tomorrow. They have spent more time trying to prove that Chauvin was acting out of line with proper procedure than actually trying to prove that he committed the sort of assault necessary to convict, much less that that assault actually murdered someone. They seem highly motivated to appeal to the emotions of the jury, without appealing much to any logic. 

What does the prosecution need (in my humble opinion) to start to push towards proof beyond reasonable doubt. The first would be more tangible evidence and less opinions. Let's see the medical evidence that points to strangulation, rather than clearly well rehearsed opinions. Let's see some objective third party medical research that shows that not only can someone safely ingest the amount of drugs that Floyd took, but that it's unlikely beyond any reasonable association to have caused his problems. Let's see some other known examples of this knee to the neck restraint resulting in strangulation or death. This cannot possibly be the very first knee to the neck strangulation murder every committed or tried, can it? 

Again, we have a long ways to go. But so far this is more O.J. Simpson, George Zimmerman, than anything else. Which is to say that there are ton of people convinced he is guilty, but it's very possible that the members of the jury who are actually paying close attention to the details are not necessarily drawing that same conclusion. 

54 comments:

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The police chief said Chauvin should have stopped restraining Floyd as soon as he had stopped resisting and “certainly once when he was in distress and trying to verbalize.”

Videos showed Floyd crying out multiple times that he could not breathe and that he was going to die. Several bystanders testified last week about seeing Floyd become unconscious and “limp” as Chauvin continued to dig his knee into his neck.

According to Arradondo, Chauvin also violated department policies by not rendering medical aid to Floyd when officers could not find a pulse as well by failing to deescalate the situation.

“That action is not deescalation,” Arradondo said. “When we talk about our framework of the sanctity of life and the principles and values of life, that action goes contrary to what we’re talking about.”

His statements echoed what two other department officials testified as witnesses for the prosecution last week.

Zimmerman, the head of the department's homicide division and the most senior officer on the force, testified on Friday that the force Chauvin used on Floyd was "totally unnecessary" and “uncalled for.”

He said that in more than 30 years of training at the department, he had never been trained to press his knee against the neck of a subject to restrain him.

“That would be considered top-tier deadly force because of the fact that if you kneel on a person’s neck that can kill him,” Zimmerman told the jury.

Legalinsurrectium said...

Indeed, unlike Floyd, the officers could have no clear idea of exactly what Floyd had shoved into his mouth an ingested, what drugs he might have taken and still have in his system shortly before contact by police, how frequently and recently Floyd had been using or been “clean,” what Floyd’s tolerance to any given dose of drug might be, what co-morbidities—such as severe hypertension, cardiac disease, and cardiac artery occlusion—Floyd might be suffering from, and other factors that played as decisive a role, or a greater role, in Floyd’s demise than anything any of the officers did in the course of making Floyd’s lawful arrest.

At some point the prosecution is going to have to present evidence of the precise mechanism by which they believe Chauvin killed Floyd,  that this purported mechanism of death was not otherwise lawful conduct by Chauvin, and that this purported mechanism of death is proven beyond a reasonable doubt despite the presence of perfectly obvious and evidence-supported alternative explanations for Floyd’s death that place no fault on the officers.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

LMAO

 (in my humble opinion) 

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Another right wing terrorist According to law professor and celebrity legal commentator Jonathan Turley,


the prosecution of former police officer Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd is descending into a farce.

I previously wrote that the key to conviction in the Derek Chauvin trial (and avoiding a cascading failure in all four cases) is the autopsy findings and the role of drugs (including fentanyl) in the body of George Floyd. Prosecutors are now asking the jury to effectively dismiss the findings of the only official autopsy in the case and insist, contrary to those findings, that Floyd died from asphyxia, or, lack of oxygen. Some new disclosures may make that claim more difficult for the prosecution.

Last week, special prosecutor Jerry Blackwell admitted to jurors that Hennepin County Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Andrew Baker pointed to cardiac arrest as Floyd’s cause of death. However, he insisted that the state would prove that “was … not a fatal heart event,” but asphyxiation.

It is a bold move since it could invite reasonable doubt on the cause of death.  The question is whether a case of manslaughter could have been advanced without the need of opposing the state’s own coroner on such findings. The failure of Chauvin to respond to a medical emergency speaks more to manslaughter than murder but it could be framed consistently with these findings. Instead, the prosecution has asked the jury to effectively reject the coroner’s findings — a risky maneuver.

Consider that for a moment. The prosecutor is asking the jury to ignore the findings of the Hennepin (MN) County medical examiner and to, of their own volition, rule that the cause of death in Floyd’s case was some form of asphyxiation caused by Floyd’s encounter with Chauvin and three other Minneapolis police officers. 



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Hill

During his cross-examination, Chauvin defense attorney Eric Nelson displayed image captures from former officer Thomas Lane’s body camera while Chauvin was kneeling on Floyd. Mercil acknowledged that at times in the images it appears that Chauvin’s knee and leg are more on Floyd’s neck and shoulders than just his neck. In those images, Mercil said, Chauvin didn’t appear to have Floyd in a neck restraint.

However, in response to questions from the prosecutor on redirect, Mercil agreed with Schleicher that Chauvin’s conduct became inappropriate once Floyd, who was already handcuffed before being taken to the ground, stopped resisting.

“If there was really no need for immediate first aid, maybe like a small cut or abrasion, you know, it would be appropriate to just wait for EMS to arrive, but if it's a critical situation … you have to do both,” 

He should have quit kneeling on his neck and shoulder, and perhaps performed CPR.

Scott, you want him to be proven innocent.

I don't care either way yet because he is innocent until proven guilty.

The defense had a pretty good day but he's still in serious trouble now.

Caliphate4vr said...

I don't care either way yet because he is innocent until proven guilty.

You fucking hack you made your mind on the day, junkie Floyd died

THWAP!!

Anonymous said...

Roger , it is ok to lie to yourself.

But not to us , we see right thru you.


There will be riots, looting , injuries and more no matter the verdict.

Caliphate4vr said...

A Dementia President that has no idea of what he’s doing.

This is pathetic

Whoops!

Well anyway, it seems that word may have finally gotten back to Uncle Joe that there hasn’t been much rejoicing over the MLB’s decision, because here’s what he had to say when asked about the Masters Tournament in Augusta, Georgia

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Johnny Mercil, a lieutenant who has worked in patrol and on the community response team, said that officers are trained to use the "least amount of force necessary" to subdue a suspect, and that a knee on the neck would not be authorized against a suspect who is "under control and handcuffed."

Why it matters: The testimony challenges the defense's argument that Chauvin's actions were necessary in order to subdue George Floyd, and comes one day after MPD chief Medaria Arradondo testified that Chauvin "absolutely" violated department policy when he kneeled on Floyd's neck for over nine minutes.

It does weakened the defense team.



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You idiots can't comprehend me.

I thought it was terrible news



But I can separate my feelings about this situation.

I'm looking at the evidence.

Caliphate4vr said...

We can’t comprehend you, because you’re a doddering old, angry, brain addled addict

Remember Rog when it’s everyone else that’s “the problem” it might be you

THWAP!

Caliphate4vr said...

Snort an oxy and listen to this tonight

C.H. Truth said...

So Roger...

If you are inclined to either believe he is guilty or otherwise not sure.

Then you could not be a juror on this trial.


You have to go into the trial assuming (as I do) that he is innocent. You must then wait for actual evidence that shows you beyond a reasonable doubt that your assumption of innocence has been proven wrong.

You are not allowed to go in and keep score and believe that if the prosecution provides you with 51% belief that Officer Chauvin is guilty to 49% belief that he is not guilty... that you can convict.

That is now how a criminal trial jury goes. It must be overwhelming to the degree that you simply cannot see the argument that Floyd died of something other than the killer knee as having any reasonable validity. You have bet your farm that the knee was the killer.


As someone who goes into this assuming innocence - I have yet to see anything that proves to me that the drugs that Floyd took are not the reason that he died. In fact, I would argue at this point that it is way more likely than not that the drugs (and not some mysterious death knee) that killed Floyd. More to the point, I have never heard of a knee restraint killing anyone else... ever. People die of drug overdoses every day.

To believe that the once in a lifetime deadly knee is the culprit while the extremely plausible and everyday occurrence of a drug addict swallowing too many drugs and dying is not even a reasonable possibility.

It would take a lot more. By a lot more, I means a whole lot more than they have provided so far.



And contrary to what you keep attempting to argue. The fact that I assume his innocence makes me exactly the correct person with the correct attitude to view this. That is not a hinderance or otherwise any sort of flaw as you seem to suggest.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger...

When you read Turley

What portions of his bullet points did you find to be factually incorrect?

I am betting none of them.

I am betting everything he stated is 100% and you simply don't like it.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/george-floyd-friend-invokes-fifth-amendment-in-derek-chauvin-trial-11617722416?st=b4i425m2jz62cpw&reflink=share_mobilewebshare

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Prosecutors in the trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin continued on Tuesday to focus on police training and tactics in an effort to show Mr. Chauvin used excessive force in his restraint of George Floyd.

Mr. Chauvin faces charges of second- and third-degree murder and manslaughter for kneeling on Mr. Floyd’s neck for more than nine minutes. He has pleaded not guilty. The Hennepin County medical examiner ruled Mr. Floyd’s death last year a homicide. Mr. Chauvin’s defense lawyer, Eric Nelson, says Mr. Floyd died from a combination of a drug overdose and a heart condition.

Mr. Floyd was handcuffed and face down during the arrest, as Mr. Chauvin knelt on his neck, while two other officers restrained his back and legs. A fourth officer kept bystanders away. Mr. Floyd cried out several times that he couldn’t breathe and eventually appeared to lose consciousness.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The simple fact is that he was killed by Officer Chauvin.

anonymous said...

Where do R's who have come out of their coma go??????? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Chelsey Cox, USA TODAY
Wed, April 7, 2021, 4:30 AM
More Americans identify as Democrats than Republicans by a margin that hasn't been seen in a decade, according to a report released by Gallup on Wednesday.

An average of 49% of adults age 18 and older reported Democratic Party affiliation or said they are independent with Democratic leanings throughout the first quarter of 2021, the pollster reported. The survey was conducted by phone from January-March.

In comparison, 40% of adults identified as Republican or Republican-leaning. The 9% difference is the Democrats' largest advantage since the fourth quarter of 2012, according to the report.

The remaining 11% of respondents were political independents with no partisan leanings.

Why does Lil Schitty insist chauvin is not a killer????? Why does he hate America??????

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Turley.

 ignore the findings of the Hennepin (MN)
The second report said it was not a drug overdose.

Turley ignored that, because like you the findings of the second report were made because of political correctness.

It's always a conspiracy.

rrb said...



Blogger Roger Amick said...

The simple fact is that he was killed by Officer Chauvin.



Alky, while 'simple' like you, that is about as far from 'fact' as one can get.

What you're touting as 'simple fact' is more accurately described as your 'desired outcome.' The same desired outcome you've clung to since Junkie Floyd overdosed under Chauvin's procedurally approved-placed knee.

As with every single time you asshats took on Trump, you should be prepared to LOSE this one. Now, since this is a show trial and nothing more, you just might get your desired outcome. But if true justice prevails, Chauvin rightfully walks.

And then Minneapolis and other cities around the country will burn, while those city's leaders, along with police and firefighters stand by and watch, as another not so spontaneous african-american street festival rages.



anonymous said...

Another douche nozzle that the likes of Lil Schitty and mouth of the south admire and vote for!!!!!!!!!! Why the GOP is in the midst of a train wreck that will end badly for the party of NO!!!!

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Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) speaks at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Orlando on Feb. 26. (John Raoux/AP)
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rrb said...


The second report said it was not a drug overdose.

Turley ignored that, because like you the findings of the second report were made because of political correctness.


The second report was conducted to achieve a desired outcome. Period. Conducted by a celebrity pathologist - Baden, and a racialist hack with an axe to grind - Wilson.

Once again:

NECK:

Layer by layer dissection of the anterior strap muscles of the neck discloses no areas of contusion or hemorrhage within the musculature.

The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone are intact.

The larynx is lined by intact mucosa.

The thyroid is symmetric and red-brown, without cystic or nodular change.

The tongue is free of bite marks, hemorrhage, or other injuries.

The cervical spinal column is palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.


That was from the first autopsy. So we have zero trauma or visible damage, yet we are to believe that it was trauma to the neck that killed Junkie.



So alky...

As my dad used to say: "shit in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first."

Your only hope for a Chavin conviction is that factual evidence is completely thrown out the window and the verdict is 100% emotionally charged.

You don't seek justice. You seek revenge for a fucking loser who doesn't even deserve it. Now that's fucking pathetic.

anonymous said...

Where have all the leakers gone???? All those anonymous sources you all complained about seem to have disappeared into the ether of trumps fat ass!!!!!! BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!

The Trump White House provided reporters with a gusher of leaks. With Biden, everything’s changed.
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By
Paul Farhi
April 6, 2021 at 1:28 p.m. EDT

Add to list
After two and a half months of Joe Biden’s presidency, something is missing from the news coverage of his administration: leaks.
Juicy details about the president’s behind-the-scenes conduct and decision-making? No one seems able to dig up anything interesting.
Early forecasts of major policy proposals on the horizon, a.k.a. the grand tradition of the Washington trial balloon? A story we’re not getting to read these days.
Insider accounts of West Wing rivalries, analyses of who wields influence with the president, detailed lists of Oval Office visitors? No such thing anymore.
Reporters drank lustily from the fire hose of leaks that emanated from the West Wing during the past four years. President Donald Trump’s inexperience and chaotic management style begot “West Side Story”-level infighting among subordinates, which translated into the drip-drip-drip of insider accounts, sometimes on a near-daily basis. The leaks were pooled into detailed narratives, featuring multiple sources. Despite periodic vows of a crackdown, the leaks ran nearly unplugged for four years, including during Trump’s final, desperate days in office.

anonymous said...

The second report was conducted to achieve a desired outcome. Period.

BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Your ignorance and bias is once again noted and laughed at!!!!!!!!!! You are a dumb fuck PERIOD who would not know reality if trump sat on your fat head!!!!!!!!!

Caliphate4vr said...

Roger Amick said...
You idiots can't comprehend me.

I thought it was terrible news



But I can separate my feelings about this situation.

I'm looking at the evidence.


April 6, 2021 at 8:57 PM

Blogger Roger Amick said...
The simple fact is that he was killed by Officer Chauvin.

April 7, 2021 at 5:57 AM


That didn’t take long

C.H. Truth said...

The simple fact is that he was killed by Officer Chauvin.

Well there you have it. The admission from Roger that he already knows for a fact that Floyd was killed by Chauvin.


Thank you for finally admitting that you've been lying about any assumption of innocence. That you have been lying about any sort of objectivity. That you have been lying about actually watching the trial with any degree of objectivity.


Thank you for finally admitting that every thing you've been saying is a lie.

C.H. Truth said...

Turley ignored that, because like you the findings of the second report were made because of political correctness.

The second autopsy was literally bought and paid for Roger.

The family "paid" a guy who specifically writes autopsies for criminal and civil cases that assist in court cases. It is quite literally his job to look at an existing autopsy and change it to something that a family can sue for.


But let's provide everyone the benefit of the doubt Roger.

The Hennepin County Medical examiner writes objective autopsies for a living. It's what he does. His findings are consistent with the medical finding, the toxicology reports, and everything else.

Even if you were to apply equal weight to both reports, then you have already created doubt as to why he died.

It isn't my job to disprove the second report.

It's your job to disprove the first and do so from a standpoint of what the toxicology and underlying medical examination shows. None of it is consistent with strangulation of any sort. Actually none of it. Absolutely none.


So explain to me what evidence you have that the toxicology, original medical examination, and subsequent autopsy performed by the Hennepin County medical examiner is 100% wrong.

Caliphate4vr said...



Andy Ngô
@MrAndyNgo
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The Ontario Police Department in California made an arrest over the hate crime felony assault of an Asian couple. Tuvorius Mencer is also facing a charge for assaulting an officer. Police are looking for his friend, a suspect who got away. #StopAsianHate https://foxla.com/news/police-investigating-anti-asian-hate-crime-at-ontario-mills-mall


Not a white supremacist

anonymous said...

BTW Lil LLSchitty I too believe chauvin murdered Floyd by chocking him with his knee!!!! Me thinks the Chief of Police thinks the same thing as well as the 27 million dollar settlement given to the family out of the kindness of their heart!!!!! Why do you keep defending the dirty cop?????? He is a cold blooded killer who has shown no REMORSE or compassion to what he has done....Just another smug white killer!!~!!!!!!!!!!

anonymous said...

Not a white supremacist


And the fucking dumb ass loser applauds that it is a black supremacist in this instance....God you are a fucking dumb ass!!!!! Yeah america burns and the bigot of Ga asks for another!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

rrb said...



"Tuvorious"?

Good God, the fucking assclownery they apply to the English language in ever more absurd ways is without end.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Upon further examination, the subsequent autopsy performed by the Hennepin County medical examiner was based upon further analysis of evidence. You believe it was based upon political bias.

Try to get the judge to admit it into the trial and it would be denied as hearsay.

rrb said...


The second autopsy was literally bought and paid for Roger.

The family "paid" a guy who specifically writes autopsies for criminal and civil cases that assist in court cases. It is quite literally his job to look at an existing autopsy and change it to something that a family can sue for.



What's interesting is how Baden has evolved, as those of us in NY have had a ring side seat to his career. He was the chief forensic pathologist with the NY State Police and was highly regarded and respected as a scientist with a singular focus on the truth. It seems that fame and celebrity has corrupted him.


rrb said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

Upon further examination, the subsequent autopsy performed by the Hennepin County medical examiner was based upon further analysis of evidence. You believe it was based upon political bias.


A LIE.

The Hennepin County ME performed once autopsy.

The "subsequent autopsy" to which you refer was the second autopsy performed by Dr.'s Baden and Wilson, performed at the request of and paid for by Junkie's family.

You know, the same family that picked up the check for $27 MILLION; the payment timed to influence the outcome of the trial.


rrb said...


*once = one*

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The subsequent autopsy performed by the Hennepin County medical examiner was not paid for by anyone except the city of Minneapolis taxpayers.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The subsequent autopsy performed by the Hennepin County medical examiner was not paid for by anyone except the city of Minneapolis taxpayers.

rrb said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

The subsequent autopsy performed by the Hennepin County medical examiner was not paid for by anyone except the city of Minneapolis taxpayers.





Floyd’s family paid for a second autopsy conducted by Dr. Michael Baden, a former chief medical examiner of New York City, and Dr. Allecia Wilson of the University of Michigan. While their full report hasn’t been released, Baden and Wilson said at a news conference that they determined that Floyd died of asphyxia, caused when the police restraints cut off blood and oxygen to his brain.


https://www.startribune.com/floyd-s-autopsy-makes-medical-examiner-a-rare-target-of-anger/571343522/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CBut%20it%20doesn't%20change,of%20the%20University%20of%20Michigan.


Floyd’s family paid for a second autopsy conducted by Dr. Michael Baden, a former chief medical examiner of New York City, and Dr. Allecia Wilson of the University of Michigan.

Floyd’s family paid for a second autopsy conducted by Dr. Michael Baden, a former chief medical examiner of New York City, and Dr. Allecia Wilson of the University of Michigan.

Floyd’s family paid for a second autopsy conducted by Dr. Michael Baden, a former chief medical examiner of New York City, and Dr. Allecia Wilson of the University of Michigan.


THWAP!!!

THWAP!!!

THWAP!!!


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Hennepin County Medical Examiner, who conducted the autopsy, issued a press release stating the cause of death was “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression,” and the manner of death was “homicide.”


rrb said...


They point out that the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, who conducted the autopsy, issued a press release stating the cause of death was “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression,” and the manner of death was “homicide.”

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/chauvin-trial-drugs-heart-george-floyd-death/507-79911bcd-3cbe-44ee-8e44-30e00baf8010


Show your PLAGIARISM, alky.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

What I can can verify is that autopsies, including the official one conducted by Hennepin County, showed Floyd was killed because Chauvin kept pressure on Floyd’s neck that prevented him from breathing, and the death was ruled a homicide. Now the jury will decide whether Chauvin is guilty of murder or manslaughter. 

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/chauvin-trial-drugs-heart-george-floyd-death/507-79911bcd-3cbe-44ee-8e44-30e00baf8010

The George Floyd family didn't pay for either report by the Hennepin County examiner.

THWAP THWAP THWAP THWAP THWAP THWAP THWAP THWAP THWAP THWAP THWAP THWAP THWAP THWAP

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Irrelevant

Floyd’s family paid for a second autopsy conducted by Dr. Michael Baden, a former chief medical examiner of New York City, and Dr. Allecia Wil
son of the University of Michigan.

The racist rodent bastard is a crazy mothrf***r

Caliphate4vr said...

The Four Pillars of the Branch Covidian Faith

By Faith Alone

Like all religious cults, the Branch Covidians believe by faith. They don’t have a particular catechism or central document they use to indoctrinate their pupils. This is because most everything to which they bend the knee is theory. It changes day by day.

Separate from the deity of the virus itself, the Branch Covidians do have clergy that is quick to preach a sermon in a moment’s notice, especially if there are TV cameras around. That clergy is led by “America’s Doctor” Pope Anthony Fauci, M.D. And Branch Covidian converts are quick to repeat the COVID-19 law when given the orders from the pulpit.

A staple liturgical mantra of Branch Covidian doctrine has been to “follow the science.” Unfortunately, this has resembled divination more than it has bona fide “science.”

Although they do not have a holy book to disseminate or specific houses of worship to attend, they do have the four pillars of the COVID faith.

These must be strictly followed if eternal life is desired. Those who do not comply will be cast to an eternal place of damnation. It is an area of scorn constructed specifically for all heathens who fail to comply with the Covidian faith.

Pillar of Faith No. 1: Lockdowns

Data are not on the side of the Branch Covidian Cult when it comes to lockdowns. But Covidians strongly believe that lockdowns work.

Pillar of Faith No. 2: Masks

If there was one pillar of the faith to be placed above all others, this is it.

Masking is an inerrant sacrament of the faith.

The mask is the holy water of the Branch Covidians. An infallible bullet-proof vest for your face according to the diocese.

Pillar of Faith No. 3: Social Distancing

Social distancing saves lives. Six feet of distancing to be exact. Not two, four, or five, but six feet.

Apparently, the coronavirus cannot jump the synapse from 5-foot-11-inch to the six-foot marker.

We can’t go to a grocery store, restaurant, or coffee shop without having to stand on the tape circles six-feet from the next patron.

Pillar of Faith No. 4: Hand Washing

Of the four pillars, this one has some legitimate science behind it. But even the science behind hand washing is mind-boggling.

The bishops at the CDC recommend hand washing for 20 seconds. Not five, 10, or 30 seconds, but 20. Studies have shown better bacterial cleansing at 20 seconds than at 30, 10, or 5 seconds.

C.H. Truth said...

Hennepin County Medical Examiner, who conducted the autopsy, issued a press release stating the cause of death was “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression,” and the manner of death was “homicide.”

It's a murky cause of death, Roger... and "homicide" in medical terms does not mean murder as it does in criminal terms.

If that autopsy provided the ammunition to charge Officer Chauvin with murder, then they would have used it. But when taken all together with the underlying report (including the toxicology reports) the Coroner found that Floyd died from a number of causes and that the police actions were only a part of that reason.

What he failed to do is point to the specific neck restraint as the main cause of death which is why the prosecution is using the "second" autopsy report (Which as has been pointed out, was bought and paid for).

They sort of need a specific "action" that can provide them with the means to charge murder. Just saying that Floyd died because of a number of events (drug use, excited delirium, being restraint, etc...) can only provide a prosecution with arguing some sort of negligence rather than something that was intended to harm. The Knee to the neck is their "Assault" charge that allows them to argue murder without intent.

To argue that the police were careless, didn't follow procedure, and someone died is not murder. It could arguably (depending on the degree of carelessness) be considered manslaughter. But even the second degree charge they are bringing requires a conscious decision on the part of the police to do something that they know could cause death. So they still need to prove some intention to harm or hurt (therefor the focus being on the knee to the neck).


At this point the prosecution seems like they are arguing an involuntary manslaughter case more than they are arguing a murder charge. They are only pointing to behavior that they are attempting to show is not within procedure. But even if they prove that, they only have the involuntary manslaughter charge. They need an intent to harm (an assault) to justify the murder charge.

rrb said...



The George Floyd family didn't pay for either report by the Hennepin County examiner.

The Hennepin County ME only made ONE report, liar.

LOL.

Good gawd alky, you can't even keep your PLAGIARIZED bullshit straight.

C.H. Truth said...

What I can can verify is that autopsies, including the official one conducted by Hennepin County, showed Floyd was killed because Chauvin kept pressure on Floyd’s neck that prevented him from breathing, and the death was ruled a homicide. Now the jury will decide whether Chauvin is guilty of murder or manslaughter.

The first autopsy listed several reasons for the underlying cause of death which was cardiac arrest.


But Roger... you need to understand that the prosecution cannot treat murder like a plate of spaghetti that they throw at a wall and see what sticks. They have made their "choice" that they will prove death by strangulation, meaning that another autopsy claiming he died by heart attack does more to harm their case than help it (even if the autopsy also suggests that the knee to the neck was a factor).


A prosecution cannot just say.. he put a knee on the neck of this guy and he then died... well maybe due to strangulation or maybe it was a heart attack or maybe it was an overdose that the cop didn't react well to... but no matter what it was the damned knee so convict him.

They have to put two and two together. The knee and the cause of death. One cause. Not multiple possibilities.


Now if I was prone to do so, I might offer a thwap, but I figure someone else might do it for me.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

In a prone position

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You keep trying to discredit the official one conducted by Hennepin County, showed Floyd was killed because Chauvin kept pressure on Floyd’s neck that prevented him from breathing, and the death was ruled a homicide. Now the jury will decide whether Chauvin is guilty of murder or manslaughter.

Not upon the evidence, but your personal bias.

You won't have been on the jury.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

A police sergeant said he was In a prone position after being removed from the police car.

rrb said...


A prosecution cannot just say.. he put a knee on the neck of this guy and he then died... well maybe due to strangulation or maybe it was a heart attack or maybe it was an overdose that the cop didn't react well to... but no matter what it was the damned knee so convict him.


The alky's fundamental problem with this case is that he's working from a starting point of GUILTY!!! and wandering through not only the actual facts in evidence, but all the rhetoric, subjective nonsense, hearsay, and innuendo, in order to "back into" his desired result.

Fuck.

We might as well throw Chauvin into a lake to see if he sinks or floats.



rrb said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

A police sergeant said he was In a prone position after being removed from the police car.



AND???

I was in a prone position this morning. Then the alarm clock went off, I got up and put the fucking coffee on.


LOL.

anonymous said...

The fundamental problem rat you dumb fuck....is Chauvin had a prisoner die in HIS custody!!!!!! Now you think he died of a heart attack of overdose which means the cop gets off scott free....However?? Did the brutal force of being choked bring on the attack or enhance the drugs effects????? The videos show George to be very much in control of himself in the store....joking and interacting with others....5 minutes later he is dead by a cops hands who are trying to blame the crowd and the victim for his killing....Amazing how not a single cop has come to the defense and all have thrown him under the bus.....27 million settlement also speaks volumes to what the city actually thinks.....sorry sport all you got is a prayer!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

C.H. Truth said...

You keep trying to discredit the official one conducted by Hennepin County, showed Floyd was killed because Chauvin kept pressure on Floyd’s neck that prevented him from breathing, and the death was ruled a homicide. Now the jury will decide whether Chauvin is guilty of murder or manslaughter.


Actually Roger... it's the prosecution that will attempt to discredit it. They plan on even calling the coroner's supervisor to explain how he got it wrong.

Again... as much as you think that the two autopsies both suggested that the restraint was part of the reason he died helps the prosecution, it actually doesn't.

They can only argue one cause of death, not multiple possibilities. If they cannot go to a jury and say with a reasonable amount of confidence how someone died, they certainly cannot prove murder (as much as you seem to like the logic that they can blame the knee and let the jury decide why it killed him).

Proving murder requires that they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt of a particular cause of death. In this case, strangulation.

You have to understand that the other autopsy undermines strangulation by claiming heart attack. Moreover, the defense will be providing their own experts to go over the same information and they will say it points to a drug overdose just as at least one of the Prosecutions own witnesses (the ER doctor) had to admit was consistent with what he saw.


Whether or not you would like to understand this. You cannot just say the cause of death is Knee to the neck. They will have to prove strangulation over heart attack and over drug overdose. They will have to prove it was strangulation beyond a reasonable doubt.


By all accounts, everyone already has stipulated to the idea that the knee was on the neck. The fact it was held there for nine minutes means zero at this point.

The only thing that matters if the State can prove that it was strangulation that killed him.

And every time you bring up the first autopsy it undercuts that argument.

Caliphate4vr said...

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