Friday, April 16, 2021

Let's get some opinions about the Chauvin Trial

Would you convict or acquit on these charges:

Second degree murder (caused death while committing felony)

According to Minnesota Statute 609.19, second-degree murder can be intentional or unintentional. An intentional murder would be a drive-by shooting or to intentionally cause a death, but not plan it. An unintentional second-degree murder would be when someone is killed during another felony, like robbing a convenience store.

Third degree murder (depraved mind)

Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

Second degree manslaughter (gross negligence)

A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is  by the person’s culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another

Felony third degree assault (Aggravated with serious injury)

Felony Assault is the act of intentionally committing bodily harm. The Office of the Revisor of Statutes defines two of the key findings for bringing charges of third-degree assault, namely bodily harm or substantial bodily harm. Substantial bodily harm is significant, as the term implies, and may include the following:

  •  Fractures
  •  Non-permanent, deleterious impact on organ function
  •  Bodily member suffering temporary impairment or loss of function
  •  Significant, temporary disfigurement

Note: Obviously the second degree murder and third degree assault go hand in hand. If you feel he is guilty of felony assault, then he is by proxy guilty of the second degree murder. If you do not feel he is guilty of the assault, then he cannot be found guilty of second degree murder (as charged by the prosecution).

Note II: For purposes of the third degree assault question, you must believe that absent of Floyd dying, that Chauvin would still be guilty of felony assault as described by the law.


87 comments:

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.

A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

(2) by shooting another with a firearm or other dangerous weapon as a result of negligently believing the other to be a deer or other animal; or

(3) by setting a spring gun, pit fall, deadfall, snare, or other like dangerous weapon or device; or

(4) by negligently or intentionally permitting any animal, known by the person to have vicious propensities or to have caused great or substantial bodily harm in the past, to run uncontrolled off the owner's premises, or negligently failing to keep it properly confined; or

(5) by committing or attempting to commit a violation of section 609.378 (neglect or endangerment of a child), and murder in the first, second, or third degree is not committed thereby.

If proven by a preponderance of the evidence, it shall be an affirmative defense to criminal liability under clause (4) that the victim provoked the animal to cause the victim's death.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It's almost a slam dunk for.

(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or


consciously is the critical word in my non lawyer opinion is a matter of judgment.

The nine minutes and twenty nine seconds exhibits consciousness of the great bodily harm.

I can't breathe.

I can't breathe.

For approximately six minutes until he quit breathing.

To me it creates reasonable doubt to his innocence.

But it only takes one jurors opinion to get change the verdict.

On Monday, the closing arguments, are critical for both sides.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The defense will probably try to prove evidence about the risk that George Floyd posed to the officer. But without another witness,...? The prosecution provided evidence that he didn't pose a risk to the defendant. He was handcuffed and pinned under the vehicle.

anonymous said...

Sad commentary to the state of our union!!!!! A murder charge is warranted!!!! His actions caused floods death!!!!! The victim was a victim no matter how you cut the cheese!!!! The only truth here is that Lil Schitty and his minions....no lives matter but their own pathetic existence sad keeping power to run everything!!!!!!! Only 8 more dead overnight in Indy!!!!!! The GOP demands more guns!!!!

rrb said...



But it only takes one jurors opinion to get change the verdict.

On Monday, the closing arguments, are critical for both sides.



Thank you Captain Fucking Obvious.



Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

Roger Amick said...

To me it creates reasonable doubt to his innocence.


Well to find him guilty you have to find beyond a reasonable doubt of guilt so you would have to find him not guilty.

And that's from someone who obviously is very invested in the outcome by his stream of postings while the trial progressed.

From what I've read this should not have even been brought to trial. And definitely not in the smoldering ruins of a city stoked by a corrupt media, DA, and city council.

It sure is a sharp contrast to the murder in the capital where the murderer has not even been identified after 3 long months.

The scales of justice are now pointing north and south.

C.H. Truth said...

Denny the fool!

Someone is driving down the street and a person jumps out from behind a parked car and runs directly into the path of the car, there is no time to react, the driver was not speeding, not breaking any driving laws, but was unable to stop in time and he pedestrian dies.

The driver of the car is going to be considered the substantial portion of the cause of death, yet is it not murder.

The reason it is not murder is because there was no malice or intent in the driver's actions to harm anyone, much less kill anyone. This person was otherwise behaving properly and would not (and should not) be charged with any crime.


To get to that murder charge you have to prove malice and intent. The second degree (for the purposes of the Chauvin trial) requires the prosecution prove that Chauvin at least meant to assault him and that there was substantial bodily damage done (and no the fact that he dies of arrest as the official death certificate states is not bodily damage).

The third degree (in theory) would be even harder to prove given the circumstances. Depraved mind would be someone doing something so recklessly dangerous without regard for human life that they are said to have a depraved mind. But generally those actions are not aimed specifically at one induvial. You shoot a gun into a crowd and randomly kill someone that is third degree. You take aim at one person because you want one person dead that his second. You preplanned that shooting, then it is first degree.


Those are your murder charges.


That being said, many on the jury could be as much of a simpleton as Denny and simply refuse to follow the law and rather decide on their own what constitutes "murder". Bad racist cop kills unarmed black man = murder every time.

rrb said...



That being said, many on the jury could be as much of a simpleton as Denny and simply refuse to follow the law and rather decide on their own what constitutes "murder". Bad racist cop kills unarmed black man = murder every time.

You've just distilled the prosecution's case perfectly.

Ellison is counting on 12 BWAA's and alky's to bring this thing home.


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rrb said...



Fuck off pederast.

Go rape another toddler.


C.H. Truth said...

To a person, pretty much every legal analyst is suggesting that the prosecution didn't even come within the ball-park of proving the second degree murder. The second degree was brought as non-intentional - meaning in Minnesota law, Chauvin has to be guilty of another felony and that the death was in relation to him committing that other felony crime.

They tossed third degree assault out there, but as far as I have witnessed, they have made no real attempts to show that Chauvin committed that level of assault. Which again would mean that absent of Floyd dying that the prone position knee restraint would have still been seen as felony assault. That's not reasonable by any stretch of the imagination.

Third degree is possible but:


The courts have basically "changed" the definition of third degree murder from what it had been (an depraved act that endangered "others" - but was not specifically aimed at anyone in particular) - to almost being another form of manslaughter (just with more malice and intent and the so called depraved mind).

Moreover, from what I can gather, this change (by court decision) took place "since" the murder, meaning it was not the law at the time of death. Seems like I would be nervous if I was the prosecution that if Chauvin was found guilty of that, that it could be appealed on those grounds. Allowing a law to be changed (even by the courts) after the act is committed seems unconstitutional.

Manslaughter seems to be the popular choice among many pundits. Most believe that under "normal" circumstances that reasonable doubt was been created. But given the enormous political ramification and the sheer force of volume of the prosecution's case (13 expert witnesses vs 2) - that the jury will want to convict on "something".

anonymous said...

of a simpleton as Denny and simply refuse


BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Our resident asshole and expert on jerking trump off speaks....LOLOLOLOLOL Yeah....dead is still fucking dead and your idiotic opinion once again is noted and Laughed at by its absurdity!!!!!!!! The funny thing is you let opinion trump reality.....and I certainly can't fix stupid that deeply imbedded in your bias!!!!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

But given the enormous political ramification and the sheer force of volume of the prosecution's case (13 expert witnesses vs 2) - that the jury will want to convict on "something".

You continue to believe that politics was the entire motivation to try Officer Chauvin was political agenda, not law and order.

The jurors should never consider the politics of the trial of Officer Chauvin.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

If your "opinion" is true, the entire case would be overturned by the higher court.


The second degree was brought as non-intentional - meaning in Minnesota law, Chauvin has to be guilty of another felony and that the death was in relation to him committing that other felony crime.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

But given the enormous political ramification.

rrb said...


You continue to believe that politics was the entire motivation to try Officer Chauvin was political agenda, not law and order.


That's because an objective review of the facts MINUS drama queen emotion and Ellison's racist agenda leads one to the only verdict that can be drawn.: Not Guilty.




Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Lynda Williams, a former deputy director of the Secret Service and president of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, said the Chauvin trial must be viewed as part of a long history of police using their power against Black and brown people disproportionately. The trial can play a part in helping the country, and policing, finally come to terms with that and spur reform, she said.

“This is almost like our American way of policing is on trial,” she said.

Lou Dekmar, the police chief in LaGrange, Georgia, said the Chauvin trial has illustrated the importance of police and elected leaders improving the training and supervision of officers and holding accountable those who violate department policies or use excessive force.

“I hope it’s a wakeup call for police leaders who don’t follow this stuff,” Dekmar, who is white, said. “I hope it’s a wakeup call that agencies that hold officers accountable in the long run are saving officers’ careers. That’s what I hope the message of this trial is.”

anonymous said...

een emotion and Ellison's racist agenda leads


MORE DUMBASS OPINION EVEN DUMBER THAN LIL SCHITTY'S MY SHIT DON'T STINK POSTS.....BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Commonsense said...

Would convict on second degree manslaughter.

Commonsense said...

The trial can play a part in helping the country, and policing, finally come to terms with that and spur reform, she said.

That's not the purpose of a trial. Using a trial for politics is just as wrong now as it was in the days of Jim Crow.

C.H. Truth said...

You continue to believe that politics was the entire motivation to try Officer Chauvin was political agenda, not law and order.

Given that the Capital Police officer who blatantly shot the unarmed military vet is not being charged with anything... Nothing. Free to go. No charges. No Trial. Nada. Have a nice day.

While a white cop is fighting with four prosecutors, 13 expert witnesses, on four felony charges for what everyone agrees at this point in time to be at worst that he "held a black man down too long" and "didn't roll him on his side" and didn't "administer CPR".

The City spent more on this trial than they do on any ten other trials put together....


And you believe that politics had "nothing" to do with it?

If not for politics, Roger. If not for rioting, chance of more rioting, national exposure (all being politics) - can you tell me why the city is otherwise throwing everything (including the kitchen) at a cop...

Whom even you agree did not even commit murder?

C.H. Truth said...

Lynda Williams, a former deputy director of the Secret Service and president of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, said the Chauvin trial must be viewed as part of a long history of police using their power against Black and brown people disproportionately. The trial can play a part in helping the country, and policing, finally come to terms with that and spur reform, she said.

In other words... politics.

anonymous said...

not being charged with anything


And you equate that act to Floyd??????? BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! Keep praying Lil Schitty......as you and the GOP assholes are heading to perdition in a hurry!!!!!!!

rrb said...



Lynda Williams, a former deputy director of the Secret Service and president of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives, said the Chauvin trial must be viewed as part of a long history of police using their power against Black and brown people disproportionately.


So what did the President of the National Organization of WHITE Law Enforcement Executives have to say on this, alky?

Of course this is politically driven. Orgs that exists solely on the basis of race exist to the service of politics by definition.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You confirm the case by Indy is right about you every day.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

A side comment about the outside events, not the trial itself.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The African American Minnesota State Attorney General Ellison is the target of the racist rodent bastard,s anger crisis.

Like Scott, you believe that this entire case was politically motivated, not the laws of the state of Minnesota.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

In your opinions.

The pussy grabbing rapist was qualified to be the President of the United states of America.

The Insurrection of 100 days ago was just a political demonstration, because they were white supremacists because of their first time rights to overturn the election in November of 2020. And the death of officer Sicknick was just an physical disorder, not being pepper sprayed by guess what?? White people.

Racism exists only when people of color demonstrating for their equal rights under the law. And the unfortunate property damage crimes are proof that they are traitors and communists.



Myballs said...

Pussy grabbing rapist president - what's bill clinton have to do with anything?

rrb said...



The pussy grabbing rapist was qualified to be the President of the United states of America.


What in the ever loving fuck does Stinkfinger Hospice Joe have to do with the Chauvin trial, alky?

C.H. Truth said...

You confirm the case by Indy is right about you every day.

You confirm that Lydia was right about you Roger!

Difference is that your opinion about Indy's opinion is 100% irrelevant to my life. It makes no real difference to me! Indy can spend the rest of his life avoiding this blog and chatting to himself on Twitter. You can continue to bring this same thing up every time you lose an argument.

Whereas you are living alone in a room with a T.V. based on the fact that Lydia was right about.

C.H. Truth said...

Like Scott, you believe that this entire case was politically motivated, not the laws of the state of Minnesota.

That is the generally the consensus with most legal experts.

- That the facts did not warrant third degree assault.
- That the facts did not warrant second degree murder
- That the facts did not warrant third degree murder (under Minnesota law).

But they still charged him with second degree murder and got the third degree murder charges reinstated based on a Minnesota Supreme Court ruling (that took place since the murder) that basically refined the law (without any legislative reason).

Almost every legal analysts believed that the only legitimate charge based on the facts would have been the manslaughter and even that was iffy.


None of this has anything to do with what a Minneapolis Jury ultimately decides to do, knowing that their decisions will have an impact on not only the entire city, but possibly even impact their own and their family's safety. People are already trying to dig up dirt on the jurist and doxing of these jurors is a fore-gone conclusion if the verdict does not come back with a guilty for murder.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

 14, 2021 at 8:31 p.m. EDT

A U.S. Capitol Police officer has been cleared of criminal wrongdoing for fatally shooting Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt as she attempted to breach a set of doors deep in the Capitol during the January siege, federal prosecutors in D.C. announced Wednesday.



Authorities determined that there was insufficient evidence to prove Babbitt’s civil rights were violated, and that it was reasonable for the officer to believe he was firing in self-defense or in defense of members of Congress and aides who were fleeing the House chamber. Prosecutors did not identify the officer.
------

You keep trying to draw a parallel between the Insurrection demonstrations and the small crowd of people talking videos of the death of George Floyd.

The Capitol Police officer was defending the United States of America.

The prosecution of George Floyd was not politically motivated, it is law and order. An innocent man was killed for using a counterfeit $20.00 bill to buy a pack up cigarettes.



Commonsense said...

The Capitol Police officer was defending the United States of America.

Against a citizen of the United States who had yet to commit a crime.

C.H. Truth said...

Correction:

It was a court of appeals (not the Minnesota Supreme Court) that was the basis for reinstating the third degree murder. The Minnesota Supreme Court has not heard the challenge yet.

Leaving open the possibly that the MSC could overrule the appeals court and if Chauvin is found guilty of that charge, that verdict could be overturned in an appeal.

(I keep hearing it both ways - but was able to confirm that the MSC has not ruled on it yet)

Caliphate4vr said...

An innocent man was killed for using a counterfeit $20.00 bill to buy a pack up cigarettes.

Read that real slowly

THWAP!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You don't know anything about Lydia.

We never lived together until we were married.

I found out that she has some problems with her behavior, but because I swore to love her forever, through good times and bad.

I'm not a perfect person, but she's incapable of accepting her husband's personality, even if I was wrong about anything but her self centered attitude.

I have moved on.

I never hit her. Ever.

Divorce proceedings get ugly.

In the nearly 20 year relationship, she said "I'm sorry" three or four times.

She couldn't accept me as I am.

I have been sober for almost nine years now and the racist rodent bastard keeps saying alky etc.

This personal discussion is over so leave my personal life out of this blog asshole

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

My non lawyer view murder charges were not sufficiently accurate.

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...


Authorities determined

Watch the video of the shooting

No warning

Arm just extends out among other officers and a single shot is fired at an unarmed woman without any imminent danger.

Officer never identified although obviously immediately known.

Rumored to be a black officer active in BLM.

No trial.

No transparent investigation

The CNN paid cameraman who obviously did everything listed as Ashli Babbitt having done (and even more as he can be heard encouraging and cheering people breaching the capitol) is walking around free. Although he had been active in Portland or Utah (I forget) antifa activities before


Banana Republic

Joe Biden's America

1984

FAKE NEWS

FAKE JUSTICE

rrb said...



A U.S. Capitol Police officer has been cleared of criminal wrongdoing for fatally shooting Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt


After ruling her death a HOMICIDE just last week.

Nothing political with THAT maneuver, nope, not at all.

Chauvin should be found not guilty predicated upon this alone.

Babbitt was a veteran and a patriot.

Floyd was a junkie, violent criminal, piece of SHIT.


C.H. Truth said...

The prosecution of George Floyd was not politically motivated, it is law and order. An innocent man was killed for using a counterfeit $20.00 bill to buy a pack up cigarettes.

Law and order suggests that police officers respond to complaints made by store owners that inebriated people are using counterfeit bills to pay for cigarettes.

If you have a problem here, take it up with the clerk who called the police over the $20. Not the police (who are obligated to respond). Had that been all it was, and Floyd would have cooperated (rather than violently resist) - then none of this would have happened.


In fact, the only reason Chauvin was called was because of the escalation of the situation and the violent resisting of arrest by Floyd.


So you cannot blame Chauvin for the situation being a $20.00 counterfeit claim. He had nothing to do with any of that, and by the time he got there the $20.00 was moot. It was now a guy high on drugs resisting arrest and medical assistance was necessary and on the way.



You act as if Chauvin had a choice to just let him go.

Law and order suggests he didn't.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger...

It's just so easy to get you from being reasonable about this to going off the deep and, becoming all emotional and angry in a split second.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Since January 6th I have to chosen, every day, to keep the faith in the American project, the American dream. To keep the faith in a system of government that a handful of ambitious idealists believed in several centuries ago, so much so that they built the Capitol dome not just as a monument but a living place. A deeply flawed one, to be sure, but one that at least strove to form a better, more perfect union.

One hundred days after our Capitol was invaded by a violent mob intent on destroying the foundation of our democracy, I am choosing to believe in something so much bigger, so much more enduring, despite all of its flaws.



Myballs said...

FWIW...

9 years sober is a difficult thing and should be commended. I know a couple professional people who could have saved their careers if they had tried it. This is why I've not even once in all these years called Roger 'Alky'.

Horse's ass, sure. But not Alky.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I am capable of multi tasking.

I admit character flaws, you are not capable of doing that.

C.H. Truth said...

It's just so easy to get you from being reasonable about this to going off the deep and, becoming all emotional and angry in a split second.

I wonder if that is what happened with Lydia?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

She's bi-polar. One minute she was being friendly and affectionate, and ten seconds later she would bring up events from years ago and get angry at me.

I accepted her behavior because I swore to be there through good times and bad.

And yes sometimes I get emotional but I have gotten much better, actually because I got help from mental health professionals at Kaiser medical.

Enough of this, move on to Thecoldheartedtruth about politics

Caliphate4vr said...

Why We Black Leaders Support Voter ID Laws

America is a country of over 300 million people. We are comprised of every shape, size, nationality, and opinion. This diversity has proven to be one of our greatest strengths.

However, if you listened to largely white liberal media personalities and elite CEOs, you wouldn’t know this. According to liberal orthodoxy, all Blacks think alike, and all Blacks support Black Lives Matter, and all Blacks oppose the recently enacted Georgia Election Integrity Act.

To the contrary, a recent Rasmussen Reports poll found that 69% of Blacks and 82% of nonwhite minorities support voter ID. Another poll taken even more recently by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution found that a full two-thirds of Blacks in Georgia support voter ID. The data seems clear: A majority of Black Americans support voter ID laws.

This shouldn’t be surprising. Blacks know the value of the right to vote. We struggled to win that right in a country that for too long treated us as second-class citizens. We shed our blood so we could partake in American elections just like every other American citizen. We want to make sure that sacred right to vote, and the integrity of those elections, are protected.

It’s clear that most Blacks support voter ID, and it’s obvious why we do so.

Why then do opportunistic activists like Stacey Abrams pretend the entire Black community stands behind them and the radical Democrat Party? Why do they pretend that Black people are either opposed to voter ID or, even more offensively, that Blacks are incapable of obtaining IDs? The answer is in part because the elites, most of whom are white, have enabled them, taking it upon themselves to determine who the “leaders” of the Black community are and ignoring anyone else who suggests differently.

These elites are totally oblivious to the real Black leaders, such as civil rights legend Robert Woodson and Richard Finley; younger leaders like Wall Street wizard John Burnett; National Black Chamber of Commerce founders Harry and Kay Alford; Michael Murphy, political operative extraordinaire from Georgia; business and football legend Herschel Walker; Texas state Rep. James White; 21-year-old West Virginia state Rep. Caleb Hanna; former Florida Lt. Gov. Jennifer S. Carroll; former ambassador to the U.N. Human Rights Commission Ken Blackwell; and U.S. Congressmen Byron Donalds and Burgess Owens, to name a few.

What do all these people have in common? They are all Republican, therefore white liberal elites don’t deem them to be Black because they come from a conservative perspective.

If corporate America wants to be truly woke, they must wake up to the fact that activists like Stacey Abrams -- and Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton before her -- absolutely do not represent the Black community; they represent the membership of their radical activist organizations and the interests of white elites, who are eager to open our borders wide and send more jobs overseas regardless of the effects these disastrous policies have on the Black community.

To add insult to this patronizing injury, the very same liberal elites who blast voter ID laws that most Blacks support run corporations that practice similar ID policies. If every other ethnicity is required to show an ID to vote, why is the Black race considered incapable of doing so. This notion is absolutely insulting.

You can’t board a plane without an ID. You can’t pick up a package from a UPS distribution center without an ID. You can’t buy alcohol without an ID. And you definitely can’t visit President Biden in the White House without an ID. Is that racist? Of course it isn’t.

We don’t need media-appointed Black leaders chosen for us. We definitely don’t need media-appointed Black leaders who care more about the Democrat Party and radical left-wing policy projects than they do the real needs and opinions of the Black community.

Caliphate4vr said...

And yes sometimes I get emotional but I have gotten much better, actually because I got help from mental health professionals at Kaiser medical.

Kaiser runs a looney bin?

rrb said...


LMAO:

One hundred days after our Capitol was invaded by a violent mob intent on destroying the foundation of our democracy, I am choosing to believe in something so much bigger, so much more enduring, despite all of its flaws.

MSDNC's Kasie Hunt.

LOL.

The next thing you know Ralph Maddow will come out parading around wearing a red, white, and blue strap-on singing "Hail to the Thief."


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Kaiser Permanente, covers everything including mental health services.

They saved my life three times.

I worked for Kaiser Permanente facility services for about 20 years.

It's a great organization.

It's the largest not profit HMO in the U.S..

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Convictions of police officers for on-duty killings are exceedingly rare. But Mr. Nelson faced a daunting task given the harrowing video that showed Mr. Floyd, who was Black, pleading for his life, then losing consciousness under the knee of Mr. Chauvin, a white officer, as bystanders shouted out that he was dying.

“Let’s put it this way, Eric Nelson had one hell of a case to defend,” said Joe Friedberg, a prominent Minneapolis criminal defense lawyer.

The defense had two main arguments: that the true cause of death was not Mr. Chauvin’s actions but Mr. Floyd’s underlying health conditions and his use of illicit drugs, and that Mr. Chauvin’s actions were reasonable in the face of Mr. Floyd’s resistance and what it framed as an angry, threatening crowd of onlookers.

It is common for the defense portion of a trial to be much shorter because the burden of proof is on the prosecution, and that proved to be the case here. Mr. Nelson presented seven witnesses in two days, compared with 38 for the prosecution over 11 days.

Mr. Nelson was stymied in some of his attempts to introduce evidence about Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl and methamphetamine.

One potential witness, Morries Lester Hall, an associate of Mr. Floyd’s who was in the car with him on the day of his death and may have sold him drugs, declined to testify on the grounds that he did not want to incriminate himself. On Thursday, Mr. Nelson said without explanation that he would not call a toxicologist who had been expected to testify.

Evidence that Mr. Nelson had wanted to present about a 2019 arrest of Mr. Floyd was strictly limited by the judge, Peter A. Cahill.

The judge repeatedly said that neither Mr. Floyd’s past actions nor his state of mind were relevant to the case.

Derek Chauvin Declines to Testify as His Defense Ends After 2 Days https://nyti.ms/2ORbdGz

If the jury disregards his drug abuse and looks at the evidence, second degree manslaughter is probably going to happen.



Commonsense said...

I worked for Kaiser Permanente facility services for about 20 years.

You were a janitor.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The people who are janitors work for Environmental Services EVS.

I worked as a construction estimator for Kaiser Permanente facility services. They are one of the largest construction organizations in the country.

You have no idea about hospital construction and how complex projects are. Saving lives is the core.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The shooter in the FedEx was probably using an Ar-15 semiautomatic large capacity weapon.

rrb said...



I worked as a construction estimator for Kaiser Permanente facility services. They are one of the largest construction organizations in the country.

You have no idea about hospital construction and how complex projects are. Saving lives is the core.



Yeah, you 'Tab A' into 'Slot B' guys are real fucking super hero's.

LOL.

"Saving lives"

LOL.

Anonymous said...

Remember , Roger does not talk about his personal life.

RRB, Said about Roger and I paraphrase, We know more about Roger then any one else here, that we have never met in person.

Anonymous said...

"Estimator"

Given The frequent displays by Roger being spectacularly wrong on math, can you ever imagine a company hiring for that job?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

"Gun violence is an epidemic in America. But we should not accept it. We must act," Biden said in a statement, noting that the Indianapolis shooting occurred the night before 14th anniversary of the shooting at Virginia Tech that killed 32 people.

"Too many Americans are dying every single day from gun violence. It stains our character and pierces the very soul of our nation."

Anonymous said...

Roger blames Lydia.

Anonymous said...

Roger is for saving lives, but only the political correct ones.

Anonymous said...

BLM is a Racist criminal enterprise.
"Patrisse Cullors, a co-founder of Black Lives Matter, told interviewer Marc Lamont Hill on Thursday that there is no contradiction between her radical left-wing politics and owning four homes because she is providing for her extended family.

In the interview, on Black News Tonight, Hill"



rrb said...

"Patrisse Cullors, a co-founder of Black Lives Matter, told interviewer Marc Lamont Hill on Thursday that there is no contradiction between her radical left-wing politics and owning four homes because she is providing for her extended family.


“In a famous Soviet joke, then-leader Leonid Brezhnev shows his mother his luxury apartment, his limousine, his fancy country house and his helicopter only to have her object: ‘But what if the communists come back?'”

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/444608/

C.H. Truth said...

Actually I am going to really surprise people by agreeing with Roger in principle that people with mental health issues such as Bi-Polar who are not properly medicated can be a daunting task.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Her doctor said she should take medication to help her out.

But like alcoholics, she refused to take the medication for her mental stability.

But it's in the past.

She's very intelligent. Like I said she came to the United States in 1970 and didn't speak English

But four years later she had her BSN bachelor's degree in nursing. With a 3.2 grade score.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Like Scott I learned to use Excel before Windows 1. You had to use DOS tools to print spreadsheets.

You don't have to be a mathematician to use mathematics. Spreadsheets do the math after you enter the data.

Because I can think and see in three dimensions, construction blue prints were easy to use and build the structures with the lumber and assembled them quickly.

That came in handy for estimating the cost of construction. Including the structural steel and the electrical, mechanical and plumbing system etc.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Actually I blame myself.

rrb said...



Actually I am going to really surprise people by agreeing with Roger in principle that people with mental health issues such as Bi-Polar who are not properly medicated can be a daunting task.


I agree in principle too. That's a no brainer. My issue is with believing him when he claims Lydia was bi-polar. The alky is the most prolific liar this blog has ever seen. Every liberal lie to come down the pike in recent memory - Russian/Afghan bounties, 'fine people on both sides', etc. he repeated ad nauseam.

So yeah, bi-polar disorder is tragic for all involved. But with the alky being the liar that he is and the asshole that he is, I would never trust his claim that Lydia was bi-polar. And considering his addiction to psychological projection, the odds are high that the one who's bi-polar is HIM.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Jimmy Hitler will call him a traitor now

DOJ/Criminal Complaint

A heavy metal guitarist and self-described “founding” member of the Oath Keepers who stormed the U.S. Capitol armed with bear spray has become the first Jan. 6 insurrectionist to plead guilty and cooperate with the feds, prosecutors said Friday.

Jon Ryan Schaffer, a 53-year-old from Indiana, pleaded guilty to obstruction of an official proceeding and entering a restricted building with a deadly or dangerous weapon during a Friday hearing. During the hearing, Judge Amit Mehta also revealed that Schaffer will be sponsored for witness protection.

“The defendant in this case admits forcing his way into the U.S. Capitol on January 6 for the express purpose of stopping or delaying congressional proceedings essential to our democratic process. These actions are disgraceful and unacceptable,” FBI Deputy Director Paul M. Abbate said in a statement.

The plea, which requires his full cooperation with federal prosecutors in their ongoing investigation, marks the first time a rioter has copped to his crimes on Jan. 6. It’s been exactly 100 days since thousands of MAGA rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol to prevent Joe Biden's electoral certification. So far, 400 individuals have been charged in connection to the riots.


The Daisy beast


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Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

36 Assistant Estimator Salaries

Assistant Estimators earn $48,000 annually on average, or $23 per hour, which is 32% less than the national average for all working Americans. Our data indicates that the best paid Assistant Estimators work for Kaiser Permanente at $74,000 annually.

When I retired I was making $74,000 per year and benefits included pension benefits for life

Anonymous said...

Roger, I count no less then 4 times on this thread you blamed Lydia for your actions.

Very typical of your ilk.

How is it you caused such tragedy in her personal finances?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

“Other times and in this particular case, when Mr. Floyd was initially saying that he couldn’t breathe, he was actively resisting arrest initially when he was in the back seat of the vehicle, right?” he continued.

The admission by the MPD officer was significant in the defense showing that the use of force was reasonable. But WaPo readers would not know that, certainly not the majority who read only the headline and opening paragraph. That is just a small example of how the media distorts the case and the trial to fit its narrative. This distorted narrative will lead to an even larger explosion of violence if there is a not guilty verdict.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/derek-chauvin-trial-prosecution-problems-ignored-or-misrepresented-in-mainstream-media-open-thread/

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

She probably has $300,000 equity on her home.

I never tried to get her money.


Dumbshit kputz

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

More than 150 years after D.C. emancipation, 712,000+ residents of Washington D.C. are still denied their full civil rights.

They are required to pay taxes, and yet they have no representation in Congress or voice on important issues that affect their communities.

The time for D.C. statehood is now.

Caliphate4vr said...

Name one person residing in DC that didn’t know this..

It’s like people that move into neighborhoods by airports and bitch about the noise

Caliphate4vr said...

I’m 2 miles from PDK p, second busiest airport in GA, 7th busiest general aviation in the US

And we have people bitching about the noise, the airport was there when you decided to move here.

Shut up

rrb said...

Blogger Caliphate4vr said...

Name one person residing in DC that didn’t know this..



A quick glance at the demographics reflects that 90% of them are probably too fucking stupid to know or understand.

They elected and re-elected Marion Barry for fuck's sake.

I find myself reaching for my copy of Charles Murray's "The Bell Curve" almost daily these days.

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...


Why should a city suddenly need to be a state ?

oh, politics

And what really needs to be done is move a lot of the government out of Washington DC and spread it around the country.

No city that is 96% democrat should have such an influence on things like grand jury's that impact national matters and legislation for the country.

Break it up.

Anonymous said...

A LEO was shot multiple times and is fighting for his life.

Why don't the Three Specialist Stooges bring these stories here?

Anonymous said...

Roger, is your story again changing.

When you were married to Lydia you never were "scammed" out of money?

Anonymous said...

"She probably has $300,000 equity on her home." Roger

Partly because she never put your name on the deed of "Her" home.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/secret-facebook-groups-america-s-best-warriors-share-racist-jabs-n1263985

Anonymous said...

D.C. as a State?

Ok.

Pack the Court?
Ok

Socialism is on the March.

Anonymous said...

"San Antonio police officer shot on a traffic stop"

Great news, the LEO scored two kills and one wounded dirt bags.