Saturday, April 10, 2021

More objective than one might think?

This is from the local Star Tribune

Literally describing the competing testimony in their headlines

From the NY Times:
In most murder cases, the local medical examiner who performed the autopsy is a star prosecution witness, the most authoritative voice on the victim’s cause of death. But in the trial of Mr. Chauvin, prosecutors have regarded Dr. Baker as perhaps their most problematic witness — and possibly one who could help the defense raise reasonable doubt in the minds of jurors.
Throughout the investigation Dr. Baker has made statements that the prosecutors regarded as minimizing the impact of Mr. Chauvin’s use of force. He has said that if Mr. Floyd’s body had been found at home, his death could have been attributed to a drug overdose, and that he was unable to say whether Mr. Floyd would have died were it not for his encounter with the police.
Mr. Chauvin’s lawyer, Eric J. Nelson, seemed to score some points for the argument that he had been advancing throughout the trial, that Mr. Floyd's poor health, drug use and resistance to arrest led to his death.
Even the Washington Post got in on the act
Eric Nelson, Chauvin’s attorney, asked whether the placement of his client’s knee would have “anatomically cut off” Floyd’s airway. Baker responded, “In my opinion, it would not.”
At one point, Baker discussed a video call he had with law enforcement officials from the Justice Department, recounting that he told them: “It was the stress of that interaction [with police] that tipped him over the edge.”

Now granted, you had to read the whole story to get to these portions and the NYT and WaPo headlines were certainly written in a manner that pushes the narrative that the case is going well for the prosecution, but the stories themselves at least offered some of what might be considered favorable to the defense. Much of what I am reading on Yahoo or AP is offering almost nothing but the reason the prosecution called on a witness. As if the just the existence of a witness and an intention to help the prosecution is all you need.

But all in all, the Star and Tribune is at least offering to readers that the prosecution's case has some disagreement between their witnesses, and both the NYT and WaPo stories offered up some of the testimony that was actually quite harmful for the prosecution. Certainly the medical examiner was always going to be a problem, because ultimately he is the one who actually got to examine the body first hand (prior to watching any videos) and that makes his opinion the most objective. None of the other witnesses that the State can put forward will have that same perspective. They are basically guessing and guessing based almost entirely on what Baker has already written. 

So when the original medical examiner states that the underlying health conditions that he saw in his autopsy were major contributing factors in the death, as was the Fentanyl; that undercuts several of the States witnesses who are making a different assessment.  When the medical examiner who examined the body says there was no signs of any part of Floyd's airways being cut off, and that his opinion is that the Chauvin knee did not cut any air supply off, that is the most qualified person to understand his own autopsy disagreeing with another "expert" who is working off a theory. 

Bottom line: The Medical examiner is the man who examined the body first hand, and he is disagreeing with those who did not complete any personal examinations of Floyd. I mean, who should you believe? The man who based his conclusions on a direct examination or the people basing conclusions by reading what he wrote?

Make no mistake, these disagreements coming from the Medical examiner are very damaging. 


54 comments:

anonymous said...

WaPo headlines were certainly written in a manner that pushes the narrative


You mean like you are guilty of with most of your threads?????? BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!!! Defense had an awful week and I am wondering how the defense will counter what happened!!!! Will the cop testify?????? That will be entertaining to say the least!!!!!!!

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The medical examiner also said that the airway system partially restricted and again contributed to the lack of oxygen into his lungs, and compression on his neck and shoulders, and prevented his legs from raising his torso and impacting his ability to breathe.

It's not a slam dunk for the defense team. Coupled with the videos, sewing reasonable doubt, we shall see. Nine minutes and twenty nine seconds. Far beyond the usual time, and again the blue wall is crumbling. The testimony of police officers is impossible to ignore .

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The actual Washington Post headline was not posted, systematic exclusion for a reason?

Medical examiner says police restraint, neck compression ‘more than Mr. Floyd could take’

anonymous said...

How trump looked out for his best interest while raising a middle finger even to the slurpers here!!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!


Health
Trump officials celebrated efforts to change CDC reports on coronavirus, emails show
Political appointees also tried to blunt scientific findings they deemed unfavorable to Trump, according to new documents from House probe.

By
Dan Diamond
April 9, 2021 at 10:00 a.m. EDT


Trump appointees in the Department of Health and Human Services last year privately touted their efforts to block or alter scientists’ reports on the coronavirus to more closely align with President Donald Trump’s more optimistic messages about the outbreak, according to newly released documents from congressional investigators.
The documents provide further insight into how senior Trump officials approached last year’s explosion of coronavirus cases in the United States. Even as career government scientists worked to combat the virus, a cadre of Trump appointees was attempting to blunt the scientists’ messages, edit their findings and equip the president with an alternate set of talking points.

Science adviser Paul Alexander wrote to HHS public affairs chief Michael Caputo on Sept. 9, touting two examples of where he said officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had bowed to his pressure and changed language in their reports, according to an email obtained by the House’s select subcommittee on the coronavirus outbreak.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The "cancel culture "?

WASHINGTON — One young soldier said that for the first four months after he joined his Army unit, a flag representing the right-wing militia the Three Percenters hung in the entry hall of his barracks.

A Black Marine described feeling sick when he saw the iconic red-and-gold flag of his military service being waved by rioters during the Jan. 6 Capitol attack.

A white brigadier general fretted privately about whether service members could get in trouble for supporting former President Donald J. Trump. A Black Army sergeant described having no one to talk to in his office after the death of George Floyd in police custody.

The Pentagon last week concluded its 60-day “stand down” to address extremism in the military. With a handful of exceptions, every unit in the armed forces has now had some sort of discussion about why white supremacy and extremism — laid bare by the number of veterans who took part in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot — have no place in the American military.

But as the Pentagon on Friday presented its path forward — a working group will be set up to examine how to better vet recruits and how to better educate service members who may be targeted by extremist organizations — senior Defense Department officials acknowledged that one thing is clear: Rooting out extremist views from a military of 1.3 million active-duty troops drawn from Alaska to Florida will be an uphill slog.

“The vast majority of those who serve in uniform and their civilian colleagues do so with great honor and integrity, but any extremist behavior in the force can have an outsized impact,” Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III said in a memo on Friday.

The Pentagon is directing all of the military services to ask recruits a standardized set of questions about extremism in its screening questionnaires to help weed out those who might take part in extremist organizations. But that, by itself, will be difficult to enforce — because the Pentagon does not specifically ban membership in many of those groups.

Mr. Austin’s memo says that the updated screening questionnaires will nonetheless better enable officials to “clarify that any demonstrably false answers provided in response could form the basis for punitive action for fraudulent enlistment.” A Defense Department official said the Pentagon was still trying to figure out how to avoid running afoul of the First Amendment protections of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

After Capitol Riot, Pentagon Announces New Efforts to Weed Out Extremism Among Troops. The non Insurrection? By current and former military personnel?


https://nyti.ms/39ZI1ED

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

We need a 9/11 commission on the "terrorist " attack that has killed over one half million Americans infected by the "Chinese virus" that was hidden by the former for his personal political agenda.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Thecoldheartedtruth should not systematically exclusion of evidence.

Medical examiner says police restraint, neck compression ‘more than Mr. Floyd could take’

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Exclude

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The fake news New York times headline.

Dr. Andrew Baker, who performed the official autopsy of George Floyd, said that fentanyl and heart disease had contributed to his death, but that the officers’ actions were the main cause.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Reasonable doubt?

rrb said...


A Black Marine described feeling sick when he saw the iconic red-and-gold flag of his military service being waved by rioters during the Jan. 6 Capitol attack.

A white brigadier general fretted privately about whether service members could get in trouble for supporting former President Donald J. Trump. A Black Army sergeant described having no one to talk to in his office after the death of George Floyd in police custody.


Well alky, it looks like the left's job of transforming our military into a pack of whining pussies is just about complete.

Nicely done.

Free tampons for everyone!


anonymous said...


Well alky, it looks like the left's job of transforming our military into a pack of whining pussies


BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! So says the chickenshit NY whiner who has never served or told us what town his hovel is in!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Roger AmickApril 10, 2021 at 7:04 AM

Reasonable doubt?"

Answer :Yes

Anonymous said...

82 % of Woman in the Military fail the current P.T. test.

rrb said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...

Thecoldheartedtruth should not systematically exclusion of evidence.


WHA???

Alky,

If you had actually read the autopsy and attached toxicology report you would know that Junkie Floyd had a fucking smorgasbord of illegal drugs in his system. Those combined with his fucking train wreck of a heart that you said was "fine" would've killed the guy anyway had he not committed the crime that got him arrested.

Anonymous said...

When are the Blue States going to join in the Recovery from the unnecessary shutdown. We never had a true economic recession.

It was politically caused not Economically Caused.

rrb said...



I told you BLM was a fucking grift and a con:

Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Khan-Cullors reportedly purchased a compound in Topanga Canyon, California near Malibu for $1.4 million that included a “2,400 square feet, 3 bedrooms, 2 bathroom” main house and a “1-bed/1-bath guesthouse”

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/04/09/black-lives-matter-co-founder-buys-1-4-million-2-house-compound-in-topanga-canyon/

And she's fleecing the left just like I knew she would.

LOL.


Anonymous said...

BLM , she just wanted a big bank roll and a luxury home like Alky dreams of.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Broke-it Biden is doing such a poor job that US Gun Sales are spiking.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Make no mistake, Ch/Scottie's attempts to spin what is really happening in the trial are obvious.

rrb said...

Blogger KansasDemocrat said...

Mr. Broke-it Biden is doing such a poor job that US Gun Sales are spiking.


Up here the sales are so brisk the dealers barely have a chance to display them and they're sold. Ironically, it's the only part of the economy that Slow Joe an da Ho can truly take credit for.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

MORE IMPORTANT:

THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTS THAT THE
GOP Dances Around Trump’s Lingering Presence

“The first spring donor retreat after a defeat for a political party is typically a moment of reflection and renewal as officials chart a new direction forward. But with former President Donald Trump determined to keep his grip on the Republican Party and the party’s base as adhered to him as ever, the coming together of the Republican National Committee’s top donors in South Florida this weekend is less a moment of reset and more a reminder of the continuing tensions and schisms roiling the G.O.P.”

Associated Press:
Trump will be addressing the GOP even as his power to shape national debate wanes.
______

from that AP article:

“I think he lost all momentum when he got pulled from the platforms. Politics is about momentum and he has none now,” said presidential historian Douglas Brinkley.

"While Trump has tried to inject himself into news coverage, Brinkley said his comments are largely treated as add-ons to coverage focused on other matters. 'Where it used to be he was shooting tweets like Zeus, they were like thunderbolts from up high, and now it’s little squeaks from the mouse of Mar-a-Lago,' he said."
______

Little squeaks, LOL

rrb said...



It's nice to see that the left is still completely consumed by Stage IV TDS.

LOL.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Red States are Vaccinating at a Lower Rate Than Blue States
Harry Enten:
“The top 10 states on this metric are New Hampshire, New Mexico, South Dakota, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maine, Vermont, Alaska, and Minnesota and Rhode Island tied. Nearly all of these are states won by President Joe Biden last November, with Alaska and South Dakota as the exceptions.

“Now look at the bottom 10 states on this metric: Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Georgia, Louisiana, Indiana, Wyoming, Missouri, Arkansas and Idaho. Former President Donald Trump won all of these states last year, except for Georgia.

“Right now, 46% of those 18 and older in the average state Biden won have had at least one dose of the vaccine. That drops to 41% in the average state Trump won.”

link at politicalwire.com

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTS:
STAND IN LINE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, MICHIGAN

Biden Administration Rebuffs Michigan Officials

“Amid Michigan’s worst-in-the-nation coronavirus surge, scientists and public health officials are urging the Biden administration to flood the state with additional vaccine doses.

“So far, though, their plea has fallen on deaf ears. Instead, the federal government is sticking to a vaccine-allocation strategy that largely awards doses to states and territories based on their population.”
_______

As it should be, not playing politics.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I didn't mention the former because he is just a golfer who cheats to win!

anonymous said...

is doing such a poor job that US Gun Sales are spiking.


BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!! Same thing happened when trump lost.....geezus christ you fucking morons wasting money on guns!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Jamie, point out verbatim what you see as spin.

C.H. Truth said...

Hey the obsessed Reverend is here today!

To talk about Trump!

Anyone want to join in?

I thought not!

rrb said...

Blogger C.H. Truth said...

Hey the obsessed Reverend is here today!

To talk about Trump!

Anyone want to join in?

I thought not!



The thought that Trump continues to live rent-free in the heads of ten's of millions of liberals is hilarious.


rrb said...


New York Times Director of Cinematography and visual journalist erased his entire Twitter history following a National Pulse exposé that unearthed posts where he admitted to “working” for the Chinese Communist Party.

Kessel, a former creative director at the state-run outlet China Daily and freelancer with clients including China’s Ministry of Information, also insisted working for the communist “regime” had its benefits.

Kessel’s verified account now displays “0 tweets.” As of late 2020, Kessel had over 23,000 posts on the platform.

Among the now-deleted tweets, which have been archived by The National Pulse, are posts where Kessel describes himself as “psyched” to redesign China Daily.

While working for China Daily, Kessel tweeted several times about he was “working for” and “getting paid” by the Chinese Communist Party.

“Sometimes working for the PRC has its benefits :),” he tweeted in July 2010.

And in November 2009 he tweeted “you know you work for the PRC when the first word that comes to your mind when asked to describe your work place is ‘harmonious.’



https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/nyt-journo-erases-twitter-after-national-pulse-report/

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

rrb said...

New York Times Director of Cinematography and visual journalist erased his entire Twitter history


I saw where Biden's "AFT" nominee has locked his twitter account.

Transparency.

America last

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The prosecution is putting forth its witnesses, framing the issues the way they want them framed, asking the scope of questions the way they want them scoped—every day should make the prosecution look just awesome.

The turnaround on that perception really ought not be expected until the defense has their turn at bat, gets to present their own witnesses, to frame the issues the way they want them framed, ask the scope of questions the way them want them scoped—and the state finds itself bound by all the constraints that so far have limited only the defense.

This is also why I urge all of you to not make day-to-day judgments about how the trial is going, at least not in the sense of expecting any day’s events to predict the likely outcome of the trial.   A football game is not decided in the first half, and a criminal prosecution ought not be expected to be a wrap when only the state’s version of the narrative has been fleshed out in court.

That said, the state got done what it needed to get done today with its expert witnesses, who unambiguously told the jury that Floyd’s death was the direct result of the police restraint used to hold him for EMS, period, and that nothing else mattered. Not Floyd’s fentanyl level, not Floyd’s substantial co-morbidities. Not Floyd’s poorly made decision to fight four police officers against lawful arrest.


____________

Unless the defense team can cause doubt on the explosive testimony yesterday, the cause of death is very clear, despite the images of a drug using African American struggling to breathe and stay I can't breathe and just stopped inhaling oxygen into his lungs.

The compression of his body is very difficult to prove it didn't cause his death of asphyxiation.


Scott I used your source.

The link will follow

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...

Catturd ™
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1380874436434362372


Send every illegal crossing the border directly to Washington D.C.

- then watch how fast they close the border.



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/live-chauvin-trial-day-10-chief-medical-examiner-in-the-hot-seat/

Commander-in-Thief Biden said...



Guess roger didn't read this part which he copied and highlighted. or at least did not comprehend:

This is also why I urge all of you to not make day-to-day judgments about how the trial is going, at least not in the sense of expecting any day’s events to predict the likely outcome of the trial.

That's all he does, even later in that very posting.

Copy/pasting and comprehending are mutually exclusive for the alky.

THWAP !!!

Anonymous said...

"The obsessed Reverend"
Came here to sin.

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour"

Anonymous said...

Jamie in your Blue Socialist States vs Red Blooded Freedom Loving States, which have higher deaths?

Stand your ground Jamie.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Another thread is the Great Replacement Theory. GRT #GRT

It didn't start even under Hitler.

They are afraid that the Mexicans immigrants and other non white ethnic people will replace the white country that was founded by some slave owners.

Tucker Carlson made it very apparent.

On Thursday night, Carlson moved even closer to white supremacist ideology by explicitly endorsing the Great Replacement theory, which holds that shadowy elites are orchestrating a plot to replace native-born White people with immigrants of color. The New Zealand shooter’s manifesto was literally headlined “The Great Replacement,” and the neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville chanted “Jews will not replace us.”
Carlson knows exactly how toxic the word “replacement” is when used in the context of immigration, but he nevertheless put his imprimatur on it: “Now, I know that the left and all the little gatekeepers on Twitter become literally hysterical if you use the term ‘replacement,’ if you suggest that the Democratic Party is trying to replace the current electorate, the voters now casting ballots, with new people, more obedient voters from the Third World. But they become hysterical because that’s what’s happening actually. Let’s just say it: That’s true.”
It is certainly accurate, as Media Matters writes, that “every Fox News advertiser bears responsibility for the beaming of this vile rhetoric to millions of people.” I would add that cable systems also have responsibility for beaming out this bigotry. But do you know who else bears responsibility? The top management and the directors at Fox. Ironically, many of those individuals are immigrants themselves.
The founder and co-chairman of Fox Corp. is, of course, Rupert Murdoch, a mogul who was born in Australia and now spends a lot of time in both the United States and the United Kingdom. The co-chairman and CEO is his son, Lachlan Murdoch, who was born in London and now lives in Australia. The person who is often said to be the most powerful day-to-day executive at Fox is Viet Dinh, a Vietnamese refugee born in Ho Chi Minh City who is now the corporation’s chief legal and policy officer. The lead outside director is Jacques Nasser, a former Ford CEO who was born in Lebanon and grew up in Australia. Another Fox director is Anne Dias-Griffin, the founder and chief executive of Aragon Global Holdings, who was born and educated in France.
With one exception they are a caucasian with European heritage, like me!

Let's go back to when Chinese immigrants were brought here to help construct the railway system. The racist of that time are still here, thanks to the " Chinese Virus " rhetoric.

Commander-in-Thief Biden uses the same rhetoric every single day.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You hate Mat Boot because he's a RINO.

How do the immigrants who run Fox feel about Tucker Carlson’s anti-immigrant rants?
Opinion by Max Boot

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/04/09/how-do-immigrants-who-run-fox-feel-about-tucker-carlsons-anti-immigrant-rants/

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...
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Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

California has the 4th from the bottom lowest infection rate because we wore masks and again social distancing.

A great restaurant and bar in Fullerton is getting back quickly. I have known the owner since the late 90s.

The only thing I miss about not drinking alcohol is that I can't drink a great German lager.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

the state got done what it needed to get done today with its expert witnesses, who unambiguously told the jury that Floyd’s death was the direct result of the police restraint used to hold him for EMS, period, and that nothing else mattered. Not Floyd’s fentanyl level, not Floyd’s substantial co-morbidities. Not Floyd’s poorly made decision to fight four police officers against lawful arrest.

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C.H. Truth said...

Roger...

Just curious... how many times are you going to post the L-I review of Thursday's testimony? Is this the fourth or fifth time you are posting a review of testimony from two days ago.

As McCarthy points out in his article today, even if the State proves "causation" (which he believes they have) "Prosecutors still have a heavy lift in establishing Chauvin's intent if they are to convict him on either of the two murder charges".

What, so far, has the prosecution done to show anyone a motive for murder or any intent to kill someone? Which witness and testimony can you point to that establishes that.

Perhaps the State has these witnesses out there. Those who will testify that Chauvin had motive to harm Floyd or that he told one of the other police officers that he intended to kill him. But I strongly suspect that motive and intent are something they want the jury to forget about or simply assume.


(I have a post coming out on this later this morning).

C.H. Truth said...

. Not Floyd’s fentanyl level, not Floyd’s substantial co-morbidities. Not Floyd’s poorly made decision to fight four police officers against lawful arrest.

Roger...

Then on Friday the State introduced more medical experts (including the actual official medical examiner) who all suggested that not only did Floyd's conditions play a part in his death, but two of them admitted that the Fentanyl alone would be enough to rule the cause of death to be an overdose absent of other things.


So what do you do here Roger?

You have multiple medical experts from the State and all but one say that his medical conditions and drugs played a part. Two of them say there was enough Fentanyl to cause an Overdose.

Are you going to ignore these Multiple state witnesses (including the man who actually did the autopsy) in favor of the single solitary one who is on his own in arguing that the drugs "could not" have played a part?

The state even called a witness that provided a Chart showing that over half of all Fentanyl overdoses take place with less Fentanyl than Floyd had in his body?


Seems to me that you are literally cherry picking out one witness and ignoring all of the other witnesses.

I mean you cannot even take into account the State Witnesses that don't say exactly what they are supposed to... how can we believe you will accept ANYTHING that the defense puts foward.

Too emotionally attached to the case Roger. Just can't think clearly can you?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I'm getting sick and tired of your bullshit.

The defense team has not provided any evidence yet. They will do that next week, I will watch it live and again, depending open what they provide I will come to a conclusion.

Unlike you I don't know if they can provide reasonable doubt about his guilt.

You and my ex wife Lydia have the same behavior, neither one of you can admit errors.

I am very objective, you are incapable of being objective. And judge me, as too emotional. Because you can't comprehend how your mind works.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

They had a part, is not necessarily a concussion of reasonable doubt.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...
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Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The defense team will present their experts next week. The prosecution has built a big wall of evidence.

We shall see, jerk. I bet you were a bully boy in grade school.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Scott, you are literally cherry picking out one witness and ignoring all of the other witnesses. In your posts. Instead of being Thecoldheartedtruth

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...


(I have a post coming out on this later this morning). literally cherry picking out one witness and ignoring all of the other witnesses.

My prediction!


Lolololololololololol

C.H. Truth said...


I am very objective, you are incapable of being objective. And judge me, as too emotional. Because you can't comprehend how your mind works.


Why are you ignoring the testimony of Baker, Thomas and the States own witnesses?

I will ask you straight Roger...

Do you only believe the portions of the Tobin or Smock testimony that demand that no other factors other than the prone position restraint was responsible for the death...

Because it fits what you want to believe...

Or do you really consider the States two use of force experts who said that under normal circumstances that Chauvin's restraint was not lethal, or the other medical witnesses that the State provided that disagreed and admitted that drugs and medical conditions played a part.

Are you throwing the chief medical examiner or Doctor Thomas under the bus because they both admitted that there was enough Fentanyl in his system that it could have been ruled an overdose?



Because you seem to "not" be considering everything Roger when you literally have to go back over and over and over and over to Thursday's testimony (arguably the only good day the prosecution has had so far) while ignoring everything else?


Tell me what you "really" believe.

I tell you mine. I assume him to be innocent and nothing has convinced me that he had motive, intention to kill him, and the totality of the medical and use of force witnesses are suggesting that what the police did would not have killed a healthy person who was not on drugs.

My opinion IS taking into accounts "all" of the witnesses as well as the degree of credibility that they have. For instance, I do trust the Hennepin County Medical examiner because he is the only objective witness so far as well as the only one who examined the body before watching the tape providing him with the only objective examination.

I will continue to trust him "more" than I will trust professional witnesses who testify at trials as part of their jobs. They are there specifically to help a case, not to tell the truth.

C.H. Truth said...

btw Roger...

My assumption of innocence is not a bug or a flaw.

It is the required manner for Jurist to view criminal trials.

So I would suggest that is the best way for any American to view criminal trials.