Well all know that there are competing concepts of how Floyd died
- That he died of cardiac arrest
- That he died of strangulation
- That he died of an Opioid overdose
- and the newly introduced death by positional asphyxia
But ultimately the prosecution must actually pick one and prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to get the conviction that they want (at least if the jury plays by the rules). In their case, they rejected the original autopsy by the Hennepin County medical examiner that suggested cardiac arrest, obviously rejected the toxicology reports that point to a drug overdoes, and settled in on the strangulation aspect.
At least that is what they argued in their opening statement.
But they were hit hard when their first use of force witness Johnny Mercil declared under oath that the knee restraint based on the position on Floyd's body was not "lethal".
In layman's terms, that means that what Chauvin did could not have actually strangled or killed Floyd. At least not according to the witnesses own expert opinion. Yeah, that expert also said Chauvin didn't play by it by the book, was excessive in his use of force, could have done things differently, yada, yada, yada, but on the question of whether or not he killed him?
Apparently this witness couldn't testify that Chauvin did kill him.
In fact, the question was not even flat out asked of him. Isn't that strange? That in a murder trial, you don't ask your star witness in use of force whether the use of force caused the death? Rather that question, ultimately, was asked by the defense. File that under things that make you go hmmmm.
Their next use of force witness (a paid prosecution mercenary from California named Jody Stiger) also made the same observation under sworn cross examination testimony in regards to the knee position. But while Mercil seemed caught off guard, Stiger seemed prepared. In fact the state sort of abandoned their position that the knee was resting on the neck of Floyd, and referred to the knee being on the "neck area". So by the time the defense got around to asking about the position of the knee and questioning whether it could cause strangulation, it seemed almost anti-climatic.
But, of course, that would seem to be giving away a key element of proving strangulation if your star use of force witnesses are admitting that the knee (as positioned) would not cause strangulation. However, it appears that the prosecution might be attempting to shift into plan b so to speak, and the term "positional asphyxia" is starting to get tossed around.
Obviously we are in the early infancy of the "positional asphyxia" theory at this point. But I will be curious to see if this is really the direction that the prosecution is going to go. I am not an attorney or legal expert per sea, but I generally believe that it's bad protocol to change your position on cause of death in a murder trial. It might not technically even be allowed. So we'll see where this all ends up.
One thing is for sure. The prosecution have to get around to calling someone who will actually say that Chauvin killed Floyd. Because so far, not only has nobody really flat out testified that he did, but two of the prosecutions own expert witnesses have basically stated under oath that while he may have done some things wrong, he did not actually use lethal force.
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When Chauvin continued to pin Floyd to the ground, Stiger said, it turned into “deadly force.”
MINNEAPOLIS — Derek Chauvin had one knee on George Floyd’s neck and another on his back and was pressing down with most of his body weight for the entirety of the nine minutes and 29 seconds the Black man was restrained, handcuffed and facedown on a street, a use-of-force expert testified Wednesday.
Jody Stiger, a longtime Los Angeles Police Department sergeant and prosecution witness, said Chauvin never moved, according to his review of police body-camera footage, and also appeared to be gripping Floyd’s hand in an effort to inflict pain on the man, even though he was no longer resisting.
During his second day of testimony at the former officer’s murder trial, Stiger told the jury that Chauvin appeared to be using a “pain compliance” technique on Floyd’s hand, “squeezing fingers or bringing knuckles together” and pulling his wrist into his handcuffs — an effort usually deployed by officers trying to gain control of a suspect. But because Floyd stopped resisting the moment officers placed him in a prone position on the ground, “at that point, it was just pain,” Stiger said.
Stiger, a paid expert witness who has been a use-of-force trainer with the LAPD, said he never saw Chauvin ease up in his use of force, even as Floyd appeared to be in “distress” and ultimately stopped moving. He reiterated his view that officers initially responded with “reasonable force” when Floyd resisted as they struggled to place him inside a squad car.
But Stiger said the force should have stopped once Floyd was on the ground and not resisting. When Chauvin continued to pin Floyd to the ground, Stiger said, it turned into “deadly force.”
The Hennepin County medical examiner ruled Floyd’s death a homicide, as did a private autopsy. The county called the cause of his death “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdued, restraint, and neck compression.”
Seems pretty clear to me....But I am not the great legal scholar like Lil Schitty who thinks a killer cop should be set free!!!!!
Obviously we are in the early infancy of the "positional asphyxia" theory at this point. But I will be curious to see if this is really the direction that the prosecution is going to go. I am not an attorney or legal expert per sea, but I generally believe that it's bad protocol to change your position on cause of death in a murder trial. It might not technically even be allowed. So we'll see where this all ends up.
But Stiger said the force should have stopped once Floyd was on the ground and not resisting. When Chauvin continued to pin Floyd to the ground, Stiger said, it turned into “deadly force.”
Derek Chauvin used his body weight to pin George Floyd’s neck and never moved, use-of-force expert says
By Holly Bailey
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/07/derek-chauvin-trial-2/
The prosecution has already moved in that direction.
I'm not a lawyer either, but I have two eyes and two ears.
The international use of “deadly force.” by a police officer who has been trained in the use of restraints that was contrary to his training manual.
Obviously we are in the early infancy of the "positional asphyxia" theory at this point. But I will be curious to see if this is really the direction that the prosecution is going to go.
The prosecution is flailing at this point. When the "positional asphyxia" theory turns to shit they might just end up at a nasty hemorrhoid flare-up and the heartbreak of psoriasis as the cause of death. How they pin those on Chauvin will be hilarious to watch.
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Apparently this witness couldn't testify that Chauvin did kill him.
When Chauvin continued to pin Floyd to the ground, Stiger said, it turned into “deadly force.”
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From today's Post
“Two autopsies of George Floyd differ on exactly what caused his death,” The Washington Post noted in a deep look into the case last year, “but they agree on this much: The 46-year-old African American man was a victim of homicide.”
Experts did note the high level of fentanyl in Floyd’s body, which Coulter, who specializes in nastiness, claimed was “enough to bump off an entire team of Budweiser Clydesdales.”
Fox’s bigfoot prime-time host, Tucker Carlson, has been on board with this campaign for months.
When Chauvin continued to pin Floyd to the ground, Stiger said, it turned into “deadly force.”
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Welcome to our ongoing coverage of the Minnesota murder trial of Derek Chauvin, over the in-custody death of George Floyd. I am not an attorney or legal expert per sea, but I generally believe that it's bad protocol to change your position on cause of death in a murder trial. I am providing guest commentary and analysis of this trial for Legal Insurrection.
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Flailing, flailing, flailing...
LOL.
Next up -
"positional fucktardedness and situational asshattery" use of farce expert says.
Bombshell
The walls are closing in
Beginning of the end
We really got him THIS time!
THWAP!!!
Joe Manchin continues to stop Schumer and Pelosi from ramming their destructive liberal agenda through Congress. Not only is he a firm no on eliminating the filibuster. Now he is also saying hell no to Schumer using reconciliation to do it. He is demanding that Republicans be part 9f the process and thst regular order compromise is how the Senate should continue to operate.
Not all democrats are partisan assholes.
Weren't the Budweiser Clydesdales strong, beautiful and majestic?
LMAO:
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene raised a stunning $3.2 million in her first 3 months in office
- The size of her haul is almost unheard of for a first-term congresswoman.
https://news.yahoo.com/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-raised-151819384.html
Lance Armstrong's son is facing 20 years for sexual assault of a 16 year old. He's probably a democrat.
What matters.
Dr. Andrew Baker may be one of the most important witnesses to be called in the murder trial of Derek Chauvin. It was his duty to determine why George Floyd died.
Dr. Baker, the Hennepin County medical examiner, conducted Mr. Floyd’s initial autopsy and determined ultimately that his heart and lungs stopped functioning while he was being subdued, restrained and compressed by police officers.
The manner of Mr. Floyd’s death, Dr. Baker concluded, was homicide. And in the months since, almost everything he said in the autopsy report has been parsed and pored over by experts and laypeople alike.
positional fucktardedness and situational asshattery" use of farce expert says.
When Chauvin continued to pin Floyd to the ground, Stiger said, it turned into “deadly force.”
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I'm not a lawyer either, but I have two eyes and two ears.
And yellow teeth
Blogger Roger Amick said...
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Link it up liar
Catturd ™
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1379933565769629700
The DC Chief Medical Examiner on Wednesday announced the cause death of the four people who died during January 6 riot at US Capitol.
Two men died of natural causes and one woman’s death was ruled an accident.
Ashli Babbitt’s death was ruled a homicide.
THE MEDIA LIED !!!!
and after 3 months they still haven't released the results from officer Sicknick and it still is officially "pending".
FAKE NEWS
FAKE "insurrection"
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Roger - Stiger under cross examination admitted that Chauvin could have used higher levels of force, and that using body weight to control someone is generally considered to be lesser force (compared to tasers, batons, or even a gun) that can be used to subdue someone.
He also admitted that the knee to the back was not considered to be "lethal" force... as did Mercil.
Btw... Roger. Can you remind us again?
Are we assuming he is innocent or are we assuming he is guilty?
Does the prosecution have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt or does the defense have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt?
If the same witness contradicts his own testimony during his examination by using the term "deadly force" in direct, but then admitting under cross-examination that the knee restraint as used was not considered (by police documents) as lethal force... one side or the other has a problem.
That would be the side that needs certainty.
Which side is that, Roger?
John Cardillo
https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1379997448890941442
The feckless @GOP has allowed the left to own a false and dangerous narrative about 1/6/21
Only a small handful of people entered the Capitol.
Thousands never did, lawfully assembling outside exercising their 1A right to petition govt.
Exercising rights isn't insurrection.
Many more people interfered with the Kavanaugh hearing than the January protest.
No talk of "insurrection". No widespread FBI search. No hunt for people who went to Washington DC during the hearings.
If the same witness contradicts his own testimony during his examination by using the term "deadly force" in direct, but then admitting under cross-examination that the knee restraint as used was not considered (by police documents) as lethal force... one side or the other has a problem.
That would be the side that needs certainty.
Which side is that, Roger?
I'm certain that roger has considered Chauvin guilty from day one. And the Washington Post and NYT has told him so.
There is no justice in rogers mind unless they find him guilty.
Even if there is substantial evidence of doubt.
My god this is pathetic
Yesterday, Biden continued, “We’re going to talk about commercial aircraft flying at subsonic speeds — supersonic speeds. To be able, figuratively, if you may, if we decide to do it, traverse the world in about an hour, travel 21,000 miles an hour. So much is changing, and we have got to lead it.”
The first part of this vision is relatively realistic. The old, retired Concorde plane had a maximum speed of 1,354 mph, more than twice the speed of sound. In fact, the Concorde was the second supersonic passenger airplane. The Soviet version of the Concorde, the Tupolev Tu-144, had a top speed of 1,600 miles per hour, and that sounds really appealing, as long as you can overlook the fact that 12.5 percent of all the Tu-144s ever built crashed.
The crash of a Concorde jet just outside the Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport in 2000 didn’t help, but what really forced the retirement of supersonic passenger jets was that it wasn’t cost-effective. The fuel costs would often exceed the revenue from the passengers — and flying on the Concorde was not cheap! — and supersonic flight over U.S. land is currently banned because the sonic booms can break windows. (By the way, a strong jet stream can add to a plane’s speed enormously; early last year, a British Airways Boeing 747 hit 825 miles per hour crossing the Atlantic.)
But Biden’s vision of a passenger aircraft that can “traverse the world in about an hour, travel 21,000 miles an hour” is a strong argument for mandatory drug testing in the White House. The fastest jet in the world is the SR-71 Blackbird, perhaps the most famous spy plane in the world, and it travels at 2,100 mph.
It is hard for us laymen to grasp the engineering challenges of designing something to fly that fast and keeping it functioning at that speed. My favorite anecdote about the SR-71 is that it was deliberately designed to leak fuel on the ground before takeoff:
I caught a snippet of him talking about high speed trains travelling nearly as fast as planes coast-to-coast.
I guess he envisioned 20,000 mph trains.
Be careful when crossing the tracks, trains are closer than they appear...
Has he announced his cure for cancer yet?
He apparently has held back over his 47 years in office and now is ready to let loose all his acquired "knowledge".
Did you hear he has mastered Mario Kart ?
impressive.
Breaking911
https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1380158810371846145
BREAKING: D.C. district judge challenges prosecutors’ allegations that the Proud Boys planned the Jan. 6 Capitol breach, says he hasn’t seen any evidence of an “invocation to violence” in their communications
Oh and while this collapses we still don't know who fired the gun that killed the protester which was ruled a homicide...
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Anonymous Caliphate4vr said...
My god this is pathetic
Just like you and the loser GOP is!!!!! The party of no slip sliding to the abyss of history!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAA!!! BTW asshole....they have been talking about that type of speed for years.....you just have not been paying attention which is nothing new for you.....Will it ever happen.......DOUBTFUL......!!!!!!
Fatty he’s also going to have trains going over 500mph and let me know when they’ve ever proposed putting a scramjet in commercial airliner
Fucking idiot
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