Not only does this bill not have the votes to pass, but if Schumer did put it to a vote it is likely he would lose several Democrats in the process. While polling "might" suggest that Roe v Wade is popular and should not be overturned, codifying abortion without restrictions along with Government funding would offer radical expansions on what is currently happening in our society.
Democrats seem to think this is an issue that can help them in November. But it certainly would not help if vulnerable Democrats had to comes out in favor of an abortion bill that allowed second and even third trimester abortions, required all doctors to perform them, and made taxpayers responsible for paying for it. That position is deeply unpopular and I am actually a bit shocked that this is what is being pushed. It seems that Schumer is looking for a "no" as an answer here.
Other bills are out there for the offering. Murkowski and Collins are sponsoring a bill that would basically codify Roe and Casey as it stands. Using the undue burden language, making viability the drop dead point, and otherwise taking a status quo position. However, both are adamantly against making any moves to undermine the filibuster or to carve out and exception for this issue. So while it might get more votes, it is also doomed for failure.
I might offer that if you tempered this some more, perhaps leaving certain things in the hands of the states (how to run abortion clinics for instance) and moving the timing from "viability" to what has become the more popular first term (14-15 weeks), that you might actually start to get to 60 votes in the Senate. It would seem almost "radical" at that point to vote against it for either reason (too easy or too hard).
If someone like Schumer was truly more interested in Abortion rights than trying to make an issue out of this, they could probably get something passed. As it stands, there is a good possibility that abortion will become much more restricted if left to the states. Eventually there will most likely end up being a Federal compromise. That seems almost certain at some point. I don't see the House and Senate leaving this alone when you have one state that will allow it with no exceptions and possibly another state banning it all together.
But I think that will take a more functional Congress with more responsible leadership. I doubt it can happen before this decision is released or before the midterms.
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Far more important is that even Moscow Mitch McConnell, Pence and several other Republicans stopped Trump from destroying our country.
Former President Donald Trump has made it clear that after his time in the White House, he hates Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY). But in the final months of the Trump term, it was McConnell who still had enough sway to stop the White House from a damaging purge of Defense Department officials they'd deemed disloyal.
Paranoia or power had run amok, particularly in 2020, former Defense Secretary Mark Esper wrote in his new book, A Sacred Oath. After Trump lost the election.
He was putting unqualified people in the Defense Department. I will provide the link.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-defense-staff-purge-esper/
He had been planning it for months before the election day
The President is changing his path and is addressing inflation soon from the bully pulpit
I doubt it can happen before this decision is released or before the midterms.
I agree 👍, but unless the Democrats keep the Senate majority???
The federal government could forbid abortion for rape or incest laws that forbid abortion for children who have been raped by their fathers and other men.
There it is. Change the subject yet again. No one gives a damn about your Trump issues.
Abortion bill pushed by Schumer and Democrats would have support of very few Americans
Seems par for the course these days as I cannot remember the least time the democrats gave a shit about what Americans support.
85-90% of Americans loved their health insurance and democrats shoved 0linsky-care up our ass anyway.
As it stands, there is a good possibility that abortion will become much more restricted if left to the states.
Fine by me. The only problem I have with that is retarded states like mine here in NY are offering to pay for anyone who comes here seeking an abortion. They're talking about setting aside $50 MILLION in taxpayer money to start. And we don't have a pot to piss in as it is. Fucking assholes.
Biden says Rick Scott's controversial tax plan is 'extreme, as most MAGA things are'
President Joe Biden laid into Sen. Rick Scott's controversial economic policy today
"Let me tell you about this ultra-MAGA agenda," Biden said. "It's extreme, as most MAGA things are."
Biden pointed to Scott's tax provisions, which would require all Americans to pay some income tax so they "have skin in the game." The Tax Policy Center found that the plan would raise taxes on mostly lower-income households. Households that make below $54,000 would pay for over 80% of such a tax increase. Under a plan with a minimum tax of $100, the lowest-earning Americans would have paid nearly $1,000 more in taxes in 2022, according to the analysis.
Biden also pushed back against Scott's proposals for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other social programs. The Florida Republican's plan would require Congress to reauthorize such programs every five years. Biden said seniors have paid into Social Security for "their whole life. And it has to be reauthorized?"
The President said that the deficit will decrease rapidly
This pathetic president and his shitty AG have nothing to say about leftists threatening federal judges and their families. But have no issue accusing parents of domestic terrorism just for attending school board meetings.
Sen. Robert Casey (D-PA) said that “he would support legislation that would codify Roe v. Wade into law, a dramatic shift for one of the few remaining Democrats in Congress with relatively conservative views on abortion rights,” the Washington Post reports.
Said Casey: “In light of the leaked Supreme Court decision draft overturning Roe v. Wade, and subsequent reports that Republicans in the U.S. House and Senate will introduce legislation to enact a nationwide six-week ban, the real question of the moment is: do you support a categorical ban on abortion? During my time in public office, I have never voted for — nor do I support — such a ban.”
Casey Will Vote ‘Yes’ on Democrats’ Abortion Bill
May 10, 2022 at 12:39 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment
Sen. Robert Casey (D-PA) said that “he would support legislation that would codify Roe v. Wade into law, a dramatic shift for one of the few remaining Democrats in Congress with relatively conservative views on abortion rights,”
the Washington Post reports.
Said Casey: “In light of the leaked Supreme Court decision draft overturning Roe v. Wade, and subsequent reports that Republicans in the U.S. House and Senate will introduce legislation to enact a nationwide six-week ban, the real question of the moment is: do you support a categorical ban on abortion? During my time in public office, I have never voted for — nor do I support — such a ban.”
Biden Vows to Confront Inflation
May 10, 2022 at 12:36 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 4 Comments
“President Biden on Tuesday sought to reassure Americans the administration has a viable plan to fight inflation as gas prices Tuesday surged to a new high despite White House efforts to stabilize them,” the Washington Post reports.
Said Biden: “I know families all across America are hurting because of inflation. I want every American to know that I am taking inflation very seriously.”
"Let me tell you about this ultra-MAGA agenda," Biden said. "It's extreme, as most MAGA things are."
Says the drooling dementia fuck who gave his installation speech on uniting the country.
Whoever is doing the actual presidenting is making poor Sloppy Joe look like an absolute fool.
Under a plan with a minimum tax of $100, the lowest-earning Americans would have paid nearly $1,000 more in taxes in 2022, according to the analysis.
Yeah, $1000.00 more than zero. As it should be. Those who consume the most government SHOULD have some skin in the game.
The Florida Republican's plan would require Congress to reauthorize such programs every five years. Biden said seniors have paid into Social Security for "their whole life. And it has to be reauthorized?"
Every five years is generous. Considering how poorly it's been managed sine LBJ rolled the SS lock box into the general fund in the 60's we should have to re-authorize it every election cycle.
We've become accustomed to only caring about entitlement programs to the point where all we think about is the entitlement part. The SS Ponzi scheme has been fucked for a while now. Simpson-Bowles addressed it, but 0linsky couldn't be bothered. And now we desperately need to send $40 BILLION to Ukraine because shut up.
The democrat party must be destroyed in it's entirety. Root and branch. Crushed. And salt the earth upon which it stood.
“Democrats have to cheat because their message has become more toxic than the gift shop at Chernobyl.”
https://www.floppingaces.net/2022/05/07/why-democrats-cheat/
FROM THE LAST THREAD:
CH SAID:
Sorry Roger...
When exactly did Trump order troops to shoot protesters?
That seemed to escape the reality of the situation.
Here is a hint...
You will never, ever, ever, never ever, ever never, not once, not ever, ever, never...
ever...
never...
Change my mind about Trump by bringing up crap that DID NOT actually happen.
How long will it take you to get that through the thick skull of yours?
Either something happened or it didn't happen.
Either we had troops under order to shoot protesters...
or we didn't.
Pretty simple.
Stick to what actually happened.
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Here's what actually happened, Ch:
TRUMP WANTED AUTHORITIES TO SHOOT PROTESTERS AND ASKED IF IT COULD BE DONE:
Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper says that former President Trump asked authorities if they could shoot protesters in the legs amid the demonstrations that filled the streets of Washington following the murder of George Floyd.
“Can’t you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?” Esper says Trump said.
THAT REALLY HAPPENED, CH. AND MANY PEOPLE HEARD IT.
The Real Halfbaked Soars Pundit said...
NBC News
WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden will outline his efforts to fight inflation.."
Can you give 5 things he is going to do?
Don't cut in paste, if , you know the subject you can do this in your own hand.
So...
...Dementia Boy plans to fight inflation (LOL) by pissing away $40 BILLION to Ukraine, and $20 BILLION for more Chinese Sneeze funding.
Like, serious guys...
Said Biden: “I know families all across America are hurting because of inflation. I want every American to know that I am taking inflation very seriously.”
“Can’t you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?” Esper says Trump said.
THAT REALLY HAPPENED, CH. AND MANY PEOPLE HEARD IT.
Many people. Yet we only heard about it from one incompetent assclown with a book to sell. Curious that.
If we need to shoot protestors, let's shoot the ones harassing the Justices. And we can call them really, really, really, REALLY late term abortions.
Reverend...
Were you there?
Have you heard a recording?
Seen an official transcript of the meeting?
Were protesters shot?
Unless you can say "yes" to one of those questions..
Shut the fuck up!
Nobody but Roger and possibly Denny will fall for it.
The Real Halfbaked Soars Pundit said...
NBC News
WASHINGTON — President Joe Biden will outline his efforts to fight inflation.."
Can you give 5 things he is going to do?
Don't cut in paste, if , you know the subject you can do this in your own hand.
SAN FRANCISCO — Elon Musk said he would reverse Twitter’s ban on former president Donald Trump.
Musk, the Tesla CEO who is soon to own Twitter, said it was a mistake for the website to ban the former president.
He was approved by the senate and you chose to believe Trump instead of a highly qualified Defense Secretary
Read it before you call him a RINO
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-defense-staff-purge-esper/
Or
Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper reveals in his new book that former President Donald Trump was insistent about trying to meet directly with the Taliban at Camp David, despite resistance from every major national security official.
In a new book excerpt published by Politico, Esper details how Trump, back in 2019, thought bringing Taliban leadership to Camp David to close out a deal to end the war in Afghanistan would have made him seem like "an extraordinary diplomat and businessman who could close any deal."
Republican lunatics because of Trump
HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — With six days until Pennsylvania’s primary, Republicans are openly worrying that a leading candidate in the crowded GOP field for governor is unelectable in the fall general election and will fumble away an opportunity for the party to take over the battleground state’s executive suite.
Doug Mastriano, 58, a state senator since 2019 and a retired U.S. Army colonel, is running to the right of the nine-person Republican field and against the party’s establishment in a state still roiled by former President Donald Trump’s baseless conspiracy theories that Democrats stole the 2020 election there.
Mastriano is a prominent peddler of the unsubstantiated claims that widespread fraud marred the 2020 election and that Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf was responsible for thousands of COVID-19 deaths in nursing homes. During the pandemic, he belittled efforts to contain the virus and spread conspiracy theories about the COVID-19 vaccine.
Again, Roger can't answer policy questions.
What are Bidens inflation defeating policies?
Worthless spam.
Step one eliminate
The US tariffs on China hit a wide range of Chinese-made goods and duties, making it more expensive for American businesses to import these goods from China. Many of these goods are not manufactured in the US at a pace that meets demand.
We are already doing that on weapons
Reduce the deficit in recode numbers like Clinton and Obama
Taxes My plan attacks inflation and grows the economy by lowering costs for working families, giving workers well-deserved raises, reducing the deficit by historic levels and making big corporations and the wealthiest Americans pay their fair share.
The Republican plan raises Taxes on middle class and Social Security benefits
The other path is the ultra-MAGA plan put forward by congressional Republicans to raise taxes on working families, lower the income of American workers, threaten the sacred programs Americans count on like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and give break after break to big corporations and billionaires just like they did the last time they were in power,” Biden added.
MAGA refers to former President Donald Trump’s slogan, Make America Great Again. The plan mentioned comes from GOP Sen. Rick Scott of Florida, who chairs the National Republican Senate Committee.
He was approved by the senate and you chose to believe Trump instead of a highly qualified Defense Secretary
Well how bout this...
I believe what actually happened.
Did Trump order troops to shoot protesters?
Simple question Roger
Axios
President Biden said Tuesday that addressing inflation is his "top domestic priority" as midterm elections loom.
Driving the news: "I want everyone to know that I'm taking inflation very seriously and it's my top domestic priority," Biden said in remarks, where he also blasted Republicans' plans to combat inflation.
Biden slammed GOP plans, including those from Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), which Biden said would raise taxes on 75 million American families."The bottom line is this: Americans have a choice right now between two paths, reflecting two very different sets of values," Biden said.Biden also said that the administration is discussing "right now" potentially lowering some of former President Trump's tariffs against China as a way to slow inflation.
What he's saying: "I plan to tax inflation and grow the economy by lowering costs for working families, giving workers well-deserved raises, reducing the deficit by historic levels, making big corporations and the very wealthiest Americans pay their fair share," Biden said.
He added that a "once-in-a-century pandemic" and "Mr. Putin's war in Ukraine" are the leading causes of inflation."The bottom line is easing these bottlenecks and making our supply chain more secure, is a major focus of my economic strategy," he said.
“Can’t you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?” Esper says Trump said.
THAT REALLY HAPPENED, CH. AND MANY PEOPLE HEARD IT.
The gunshots or him saying it?
So this is something Esper thinks was so insignificant he never bothered to bring it up before.
Nor anyone else of the "many" the "pastor" claimed were there
Sounds like a BIG LIE by both the "pastor" and Esper
How about some names of the "many" who were there and links to their quotes
Would be real relevant also if the quotes were from back when it supposedly occurred.
Funny I never recall hearing about it.
Trump has had more lies told about him than any president ever.
And a lot come from the lying POS "pastor" who claims he "never lies"
I call that the Lie of the Year
ROFLMFAO !!!
C.H. Truth said...
He was approved by the senate and you chose to believe Trump instead of a highly qualified Defense Secretary
Well how bout this...
I believe what actually happened.
Did Trump order troops to shoot protesters?
Simple question Roger
I think alky must have missed your question
or his reply got censored
He was talked out of it by the Secretary of Defense and Mitch McConnell and the top General Merrick
Ch, I NEVER SAID THAT TRUMP GAVE THE ORDER TO SHOOT PROTESTERS.
I NEVER SAID THAT.
IF ROGER SAID HE DID, ROGER IS WRONG.
What I said is that Trump asked whether that could be done, as I expressed it at 11:57.
And no, there is no recording of him saying that, but apparently there are several witnesses who heard him say it.
Former Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said President Donald Trump inquired about shooting protesters amid the unrest that took place after George Floyd's murder in 2020. He recounts that incident, and many others, in a wide-ranging interview with NPR's Michel Martin on All Things Considered.
I never said that he actually ordered it
Former Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said President Donald Trump inquired about shooting protesters amid the unrest that took place after George Floyd's murder in 2020.
Dishonest, indecent, untruthful Rev. said...
“Can’t you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?” Esper says Trump said.
THAT REALLY HAPPENED, CH. AND MANY PEOPLE HEARD IT.
many people heard it says the "pastor"
as he tries to weasel out of what he actually said
when you lie a lot you rely on weaseling a lot
The account of National Guard Maj. Adam DeMarco challenges the Trump administration’s explanation that vicious attacks by protesters led federal forces to turn on what appeared to be a largely peaceful crowd June 1 in the square in front of the White House. Law enforcement and security officers that night clubbed and punched protesters and unleashed mounted officers and chemical agents against them in one of the most controversial confrontations at the height of this year’s nationwide protests over the killing of Black people at the hands of police.
The forceful clearing of Lafayette Square, long one of the nation’s most prominent venues for demonstrations, came minutes before President Trump appeared in the area without notice, on his way to stage a photo event in front of a historic church nearby.
many is now down to several still unnamed ones
ROFLMFAO !!!
* "apparently"
The Guardian
Biden: inflation is 'my top domestic priority'
Speaking from the White House, Joe Biden laid the blame for rising costs on two key factors: a “once-in-a-century pandemic” that shut down the global economy and snarled supply chains and Russian leader Vladimir Putin, who invaded Ukraine and sent the cost of gas and food soaring.
“I want every American to know that I’m taking inflation very seriously and it’s my top domestic priority,” Biden said.
Republicans and some economists have accused the White House of being slow to recognize the urgency of inflation, which Biden once suggested would be temporary. But as costs continue to climb, Biden has re-oriented his agenda to address inflation, which he said was the nation’s “top economic challenge right now.”
Biden is now assailing Republicans for their economic agenda, which he said is making inflation worse. He blamed them for being “extreme” and more interested in protecting large corporations than working families.
“In this moment of peril, with the war overseas and inflation surging around the world, the last thing we should be thinking about is rewarding companies for exploiting the situation,” Biden said.
The president is now pulling from Scott’s aforementioned 11-point plan, warning that Republicans are a threat to beloved social-safety net programs like social security and Medicare.
Even if Republicans don’t ultimately want to end those programs, Biden said they would use the threat as a “hostage” to get their way on other issues.
Not only that, but it is not just in Esper's book and concerning Floyd that Trump said that sort of thing:
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Border Wars:
Inside Trump's Assault on Immigration, by reporters Michael Shear and Julie Davis, and based on interviews with more than a dozen unnamed officials - was published by the New York Times.
According to an excerpt, the president privately suggested to aides that soldiers shoot migrants in the legs, but he was told it would be illegal.
Previously, Mr Trump had made a public statement suggesting soldiers shoot migrants who throw rocks.
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Ch, you will have a tough time debunking all the reports by people, including former Trump supporters, who say they heard him say those things.
The same thing i have a saying for months
two key factors: a “once-in-a-century pandemic” that shut down the global economy and snarled supply chains
Ch will not debunk he will call it fake news as of course TDS
Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper says that former President Trump asked authorities if they could shoot protesters in the legs amid the demonstrations that filled the streets of Washington following the murder of George Floyd.
“Can’t you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?” Esper says Trump said.
THAT REALLY HAPPENED, CH. AND MANY PEOPLE HEARD IT.
you were talking about Trump saying that to Esper regarding the George Floyd riots
now you say it was at migrants at the border with who knows who.
But rather than avoiding what you brought up who else was in the room with Esper, you know the MANY people who you say verify that
Or just admit you are lying
as you regularly do
and weaseling
LOL
I'm saying it was BOTH with regard to Floyd AND with regard to migrants, as my exact words at the beginning of 1:49 make clear.
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
Mark Esper
Virginia Chamlee
Fri, May 6, 2022, 3:55 PM·4 min read
In this article:
Donald Trump
Donald Trump
45th President of the United States
Mark Esper
27th United States Secretary of Defense
"Among the many revelations from former Defense Secretary Mark Esper's forthcoming memoir, A Sacred Oath, are a slew of claims concerning former President Donald Trump.
Among them,
according to various excerpts and reports on the book, is that
Trump once proposed launching missiles into Mexico
and that he questioned why those protesting in the wake of George Floyd's murder couldn't be shot in the legs.
Esper, who was fired by Trump after the 2020 election, made headlines back in June 2020, when he split with the then-president over invoking the Insurrection Act, which would have allowed the former president to send the military into states in response to protests and unrest.
Trump had threatened earlier that, if the turmoil wasn't quelled around the country to his satisfaction, he would send the military into states. Behind the scenes, Esper alleges in his new book, Trump had other ideas about how to stop the protests.
"Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?" Trump said, according to Esper's book, which was excerpted by Axios. (Spokespeople for Trump did not respond to a request for comment on Friday.)
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"Did not respond."
Why not? Because there are too many witnesses that he DID say that?
I hope this President doesn't have the same problem spot that Biden is in, one that Jimmy Carter learned a president can’t explain his way out of. When the country is in a bad mood, it doesn’t matter that 8.3 million jobs have been filled or that America’s GDP grew 5.5 percent in 2021 after it dropped 3.4 percent the year before. There’s no policy cure for bad vibes that Biden can reach for here.
We are facing a man in Russia who should give us all reason to unite and support our present foreign policy.
Here is the entire content posted by the weasel in response to CHT:
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Here's what actually happened, Ch:
TRUMP WANTED AUTHORITIES TO SHOOT PROTESTERS AND ASKED IF IT COULD BE DONE:
Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper says that former President Trump asked authorities if they could shoot protesters in the legs amid the demonstrations that filled the streets of Washington following the murder of George Floyd.
“Can’t you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?” Esper says Trump said.
THAT REALLY HAPPENED, CH. AND MANY PEOPLE HEARD IT.
May 10, 2022 at 11:57 AM
Now he is weaseling around and misdirecting
He was talking specifically about Esper
He said many people heard it
Now he can't produce even a single one
He just keeps digging a bigger hole
and lying more
"Did not respond."
Why not? Because there are too many witnesses that he DID say that?
Trump actually responded directly and publicly
Still haven't been able to find that "pastor"?
Just as I had surmised before
As expected, Roger does his best spamming and parroting.
No real original thought.
So boring.
The plan just isn't.
It was like Roger getting married on May 7th, 2022.
A pipe dream.
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