This brings us back to the deeply flawed January 6 committee structure and practice. There are no committee members with perspectives that counter the panel’s single-minded determination to nail Trump. There is no cross-examination, which is the tried-and-true way to test the credibility of witnesses and decide which ones are more reliable.
Another critical point. Let’s pretend this were a trial (which requires a lot of pretending because of the committee’s lack of due process). If a dispute about potentially contradictory evidence arose, the judge would order the committee, in the role of prosecutor, to disclose the deposition testimony of Ornato and Engel. And it is easy to understand why.
There is the obvious question of whether Ornato and/or Engel gave testimony that contradicted Hutchinson’s account. If so, the judge would demand to know why the prosecutor, in publicizing Hutchinson’s version of events, not only failed to confront Hutchinson with questions based on the contradictory information, but kept the contradictory testimony under wraps.
The committee claims to be conducting an investigation, not orchestrating a smear. But grand-jury and other law-enforcement investigations are done in secret precisely to avoid prejudicing the jury pool this way. The government is not supposed to speak until it is ready formally to file charges — until, that is, it has weighed all the contradictions, settled on a version of events, and now takes on the legal obligation of disclosing any contradictory evidence to the defense so that it can be aired out at a trial that is governed by due-process rules.
So let's be clear here folks... McCarthy is suggesting (among other things) that by allowing this sort of one sided commission and hearings, that the "Government" is quite literally tainting a potential jury pool with the manner in which this is being conducted.
Now I am still in the camp (as is McCarthy, Turley, and others) that Garland would be unwise to and will likely not charge Trump with any crimes. But either way this whole dog and pony show does loom large in terms of whether or not Trump could get a "fair" trial under the circumstances.
Lastly, I have none of McCarthy's faith that the commission is not holding back evidence or that they will do what is right in this situation. I still believe it more likely than not that they are being very dishonest and one-sided in all of this.
52 comments:
If this is true it won't matter.
Politico has found out that the next hearings will be provided by the SPLC Their analysts have met with Jan. 6 Select Committee staff and submitted nearly 40 pages of written testimony and research to document the involvement of extremists in the planning and preparation for the insurrection,” said Michael Lieberman, a senior policy counsel on hate and extremism at the SPLC, in a statement to POLITICO. “Our work has helped to document coordination between Trump, his allies and two extremist groups we’ve tracked for years.”.
If they have found a direct connection between The Proud Boys etc.
Even more actual Republicans will condemn him.
It would be sedition.
The hearing: The select panel had originally planned to hold its extremism hearing, which is being led by Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), in June, but investigators reshuffled the schedule, citing a flood of new evidence.
Evidence that’s gathered in the select panel’s investigation, like the expert testimony, might not all be presented in its public hearings but could play a role in their final report, which is expected to be released this fall and will include their legislative recommendations.
“We will be releasing at the end of this whole process a bunch of recommendations about how to safeguard the integrity of our government and the separation of powers and how to make sure that elections don't come under attack in this way,” Raskin told reporters Tuesday.
— Nicholas Wu
Remember they have used Republicans to testify under oath.
And two Republicans on the panel interrogate them.
Good point, Roger.
Who gives a flip about whether Trump lost his cool in the SUV upon being informed he would not be going to the Capitol -- secret service agents have corroborated that he became VERY angry.
More important is his losing his cool because arms bearing protesters/ insurrectionists/ election deniers/ Trump supporters would not be allowed onto the Ellipse without passing through weapons detectors.
Yep. That's the biggie, for his prepared remarks indicated he would soon be sending THEM to march to the Capitol.
https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/07-1-2022/splc-aiding-jan-6-panel/
Everything McCarthy complains about can be addressed when formal charges are brought. There'll be plenty of opportunities for cross examination then.
If they find that he was involved with extremists in the planning and preparation for the insurrection, formal charges will happen.
Sure looks like it's heading that way.
Some news that will take all the wind out of Lil Schitty's sails hoping that a recession will guarantee a GOP landslide.....,.OOOPS.......seens to me Scot has once again ejaculated prematurely like a juvenile >>>>>> LOLOLOLOLOL
WASHINGTON (AP) — A new poll finds a growing percentage of Americans calling out abortion or women’s rights as priorities for the government in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, especially among Democrats and those who support abortion access.
With midterm elections looming, President Joe Biden and Democrats will seek to capitalize on that shift.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in remarks immediately after the decision that “reproductive freedom is on the ballot in November.” But with pervasive pessimism and a myriad of crises facing the nation, it’s not clear whether the ruling will break through to motivate those voters — or just disappoint them.
If it goes beyond prepared remarks indicated he would soon be sending THEM to march to the Capitol.
If they found a direct connection to the leaders of The Proud Boys etc
The metal detectors are irrelevant right now anyway.
You are beginning to see π
The THIRD IDIOT to post the AP Norcross
Keep up fatty
Agents Confirm Trump Angrily Demanded to Go to Capitol
July 1, 2022 at 3:40 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 79 Comments
“Then-President Donald Trump angrily demanded to go to the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, and berated his protective detail when he didn’t get his way, according to two Secret Service sources who say they heard about the incident from multiple agents, including the driver of the presidential SUV where it occurred,” CNN reports.
“The sources tell CNN that stories circulated about the incident
— including details that are similar to how former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson described it to the House select committee investigating January 6 —
in the months immediately afterward the US Capitol attack and before she testified this week.”
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When the gossip gets that good, agents will talk.
Anyone for a cross examination?
Norc fyac
My 3:44 connects to my 3:18 and 3:22 above.
Wow...
Angrily demanded, huh?
I assume a President of the United States making a demand is a violation of Federal law, probably a felony. Doing it while angered is likely a First class felony, huh?
Now they got em! Charges for sure!
You know the real definition of assume is .....Lil Schitty?????????BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Your BS is getting weaker by the day as trumps grip on your testicles is fading like the GOP!!!!!!!
Anonymous Caliphate4vr said...
Nor fyac
BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! At you again shorty.......just because you can't see a trend if it bit you on the ass, does not mean the trend does not exist!!!!!!! Sorry sport.....the idiot is short in stature and intellect!!!
Angrily demanded is what he did and angrily demanded is what Cassidy Hutchinson said he did.
It has to do with her credibility, not with any kind of charges being brought against Trump for that or for his throwing ketchup up against walls.
But that part about him wanting to let weapons bearing insurrectionists onto the Ellipse -- oh now, THAT needs to be considered and looked into further.
:-)
There one of those words again
IF
MAY
MIGHT
COULD
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POSSIBLY
you idiots keep posting your wishful thinking . You're not impressing anyone
Angrily demanded is what he did and angrily demanded is what Cassidy Hutchinson said he did.
Actually nobody would be surprised if Trump "angrily" requested something... would YOU be surprised if he "angrily" asked the Secret Service to do something. It would be normal day in the life of President Trump to be angry at someone...
at least based on six years of anonymous sources.
You know like President Grampa getting mad at a citizen and challenging him to a push up contest. Some people (like Trump and Biden) are hot headed.
but what had everyone talking was the story that he attempted grab the wheel, had his arm held back, and then lunged with his other arm at the wheel.
That would be above and beyond the President just getting angry.
As far as I know... nobody had corroborated that and the committee is admitting that they never vetted or corroborated the story.
Funny how neither the Reverend or Roger the accuser is even bothering to address the subject of the post and McCarthy's points.
Almost like they have trouble reading...
Hey fatboi
From that poll
Still, more than 7 in 10 Americans did not mention either abortion or women’s rights as one of their top five priorities.
That’s a sure winner
The nationwide poll was conducted June 23-27, 2022 using the AmeriSpeak® Panel, the probability-based panel of NORC at the University of Chicago. Online and telephone interviews using landlines and cell phones were conducted with 1,053 adults. The margin of sampling error is +/- 4.0 percentage points.
LMAO at fatass again
71 % Don't want Biden to run in 2024.
Come on Roger, you can do it.
Roger, Please Answer.
C.H. TruthJuly 1, 2022 at 2:04 PM
It is likely but most of them think it will be fixed soon after.
Most of "who" ???
Are you referring to the same people who said there was no inflation, inflation was good, inflation was transitory, and now suggest that a recession is not likely, and seem to not acknowledge that we already had a full quarter of negative GDP growth?
These same people who are wrong all the time?
"Nobody said Trump assaulted him; they said he tried to lunge over the seat -- for what reason, nobody had any idea."
The source says the story has been circulating since February of last year. Other stories about Trump breaking and throwing things during fits of anger circulated as well.
In a blockbuster appearance before the House committee investigating last year's attack on the US Capitol, Hutchinson delivered what opponents hope will be the evidence needed to run Trump out of town.
"This is the smoking gun," Sol Wisenberg, a former deputy to Bill Clinton impeachment investigator Ken Starr, told The New York Times of Hutchinson's testimony.
"There isn't any question this establishes a prima facie case for his criminal culpability on seditious conspiracy charges.
Secret Service stories about Trump demanding to go to the Capitol on Jan. 6 have been circulating for over a year: report.
Secret Service stories about Trump demanding to go to the Capitol on Jan. 6 have been circulating for over a year: report.
The source says the story has been circulating since February of last year. Other stories about Trump breaking and throwing things during fits of anger circulated as well.
In a blockbuster appearance before the House committee investigating last year's attack on the US Capitol, Hutchinson delivered what opponents hope will be the evidence needed to run Trump out of town.
"This is the smoking gun," Sol Wisenberg, a former deputy to Bill Clinton impeachment investigator Ken Starr, told The New York Times of Hutchinson's testimony.
"There isn't any question this establishes a prima facie case for his criminal culpability on seditious conspiracy charges.
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Even worse..
Toward the end of 2020, then-President Donald Trump began raising a new idea with aides: that he would personally lead a march to the Capitol on the following Jan. 6.
Trump brought it up repeatedly with key advisers in the Oval Office, according to a person who talked with him about it. The president told others he wanted a dramatic, made-for-TV moment that could pressure Republican lawmakers to support his demand to throw out the electoral college results showing that Joe Biden had defeated him, the person said.
The excursion that almost happened came into clearer focus this week, as the House committee investigating the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021 presented explosive testimony and records detailing Trump’s fervent demands to lead his supporters mobbing the seat of government. Though Trump’s trip was ultimately thwarted by his own security officers, the new evidence cuts closer to the critical question of what he knew about the violence in store for that day.
He was planning to go to the insurrection in November of December of 2020.
Several stories
about influencing Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony have emerged.
One of them did so at the behest of former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.
It gets dirtier every hour.
The former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson received at least one message tacitly warning her not to cooperate with the House January 6 select committee from an associate of former chief of staff Mark Meadows, according to two sources familiar with the matter.
Even worse
‘Beyond reprehensible’: Former GOP governor blasts Donald Trump on CNN
Bob Brigham
July 01, 2022
Tuesday's breathtaking testimony from Cassidy Hutchinson before the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol is a turning point in how Donald Trump is viewed by Republicans, a former GOP governor explained on CNN.
Wolf Blitzer interviewed former two-term Ohio Gov. John Kasich about the latest developments from the House Select Committee Investigating the Jan. 6 Attack on the U.S. Capitol.
Kasich also served nine terms in Congress, rising to chair the Budget Committee before he vacated his seat to unsuccessfully run for president in 2000.
"Gov. Kasich, does this feel from your perspective like a potential turning point, at least for some Republicans?" Blitzer asked.
"Oh yeah. he's taking on water," Kasich said, suggesting the imagery of a sinking ship.
"And he shrinking," he continued. "You know, I said the other day he reminds me of the Wicked Witch of the West, when they threw a bucket of water on her she started melting."
"And I feel that he's melting, he is losing influence and there are people beginning to say, 'You know what? Whether I believe all these details or not, this is not our guy.' The other thing I think needs to be made clear is in regards to this woman's testimony, Cassidy Hutchinson, if people are going to take shots at her, they should be forced do it under oath," he said. "If they don't agree with her story, with what she's been able to recount, fine. Testify under oath."
"The other thing is, Gloria [Borger], can you believe this guy trying to go to the Capitol to overturn the election? It is beyond reprehensible. It's hard for me to believe in our country we would've had somebody doing this, but this guy has done so much. I never felt he was fit for the office and it's all proven out to be true, unfortunately," he said.
"There isn't any question this establishes a prima facie case for his criminal culpability on seditious conspiracy charges.
Prima facie is generally associated with civil trials... not criminal and throwing things has nothing do to with seditious conspiracies..
Literally the dumbest thing I have read today...
and that includes stuff you wrote.
Just because this guy should be smarter.
PUBLIC TELEVISION
Judy Woodruff:
Let's talk about...the January 6 Committee.
David, the last time you were on the program, it was early June. You said the committee — I looked it up to just get the exact David Brooks…
(LAUGHTER)
You said the committee was fundamentally ill-pointed, that it should have been focused on preventing another one.
David Brooks:
Let me revise my remarks.
(LAUGHTER)
I mean, the point I was trying to make is, we need a committee to focus on the future January 6's.
But what happened this week was — I mean, it's amazing we're talking about this possible indictment of a former president...
(LAUGHTER)
Judy Woodruff:
Yes. When it happens, it'll be the lead.
(LAUGHTER)
David Brooks:
Yes, right. And so this is what we really saw, something I did not think we would see, which was that there really could be a case made against Donald Trump for inciting an insurrection. And what we saw today — and, to me, the crucial — of Cassidy Hutchinson's comments, the crucial one was, take out the magnetometers. Take out the metal detectors.
That is clearly a guy who knows there's violence, that there's armed people capable of violence, and he wants to make it easy for them. That's a pretty — if other people testify that he said that, that's a pretty damning thing.
Ruth Marcus:
Very damning.
And I think it's always been critical that we look both forward to prevent another January 6, but also backward to find out what precisely went on, not just that day, though the testimony about that day was riveting, but also in the lead-up to that day.
Is it — is it — Ruth — let me stay with you on — is what the committee is finding going to have a material effect on the former president and what he's — and his political standing?
I mean, David's saying he may be in legal jeopardy. But he's — he may also be running for president.
(LAUGHTER)
Ruth Marcus:
Yes, pretty amazing. He may be in legal jeopardy.
The political jeopardy, minds are pretty well made up. There is a core of people who are Trump supporters, Trump true believers who will not be shaken by anything Cassidy Hutchinson or anybody else has to say. There's a group of Republicans, though, the sort of remaining rational Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, who are going to be shaken by this and think, do we need to stick with this guy, or can't we get somebody who's like Trump without all that baggage?
And they're increasingly being presented with more options, Ron DeSantis, maybe the governor of Virginia, Glenn Youngkin. And then there's a group of people like me who watched the hearings who have been extraordinarily squeamish — I still am — about the notion of indicting a former present, this president's chief political opponent.
But look at this testimony and say, how can we close our eyes to this?
Judy Woodruff:
David, how are you looking at that?
David Brooks:
Yes, I do think there's going to be a lot of Republicans, or at least some, who say, Donald Trump, I support you, thank you for your service, let's go to the next chapter.
And there was a poll in New Hampshire a couple of weeks ago now that Ron DeSantis was leading Donald Trump. That certainly is a significant poll. So, I do think it's an excuse for people to say, nice job, Donald. Let's move on.
So I do think it weakens his grip on the party a bit.
Judy Woodruff:
It does still raise questions about the number of Republicans who are still defending him, who are saying that: We don't believe the election was legitimate. We think it's still an open question.
David Brooks:
The Republican Party should have more 26-year-old young women who have guts.
Ruth Marcus:
Twenty-five.
David Brooks:
Twenty-five.
(LAUGHTER)
Ruth Marcus:
But what a witness.
Judy Woodruff:
Yes.
David Brooks:
Yes.
Judy Woodruff:
Well, she — and, and she is one of a number of others who could come forward, but who haven't. I mean, we're still waiting to hear Pat Cipollone, the White — Cipollone, the White House former chief — former legal counsel and others.
David Brooks:
Yes.
Ruth Marcus:
We need to hear — there — one of the things that this testimony underscored was the degree to which we need to hear testimony from others, from Mark Meadows, from Pat Cipollone, from some of the members of Congress, from the people who were at the Willard Hotel plotting the insurrection in the days leading up to it.
We need to hear that testimony either compelled by the committee or by the Justice Department.
We're waiting to hear from the committee to see what they do when they come back.
Ruth Marcus, thank you. David Brooks, thank you.
END
Prima facie is generally associated with civil trials... not criminal and throwing things has nothing do to with seditious conspiracies..
How about trying to get metal detectors turned off so armed people can come on to the Ellipse with Trump and then be sent by him to march armed to the Capitol?
And then later Trump tries to say there was not a gun among them?????
Insidious evil coupled with narcissistic insanity.
Or, as David Brooks put it, for the first time he now thinks
"there really could be a case made against Donald Trump for inciting an insurrection. And what we saw today — and, to me, the crucial — of Cassidy Hutchinson's comments -- the crucial one was, take out the magnetometers. Take out the metal detectors.
That is clearly a guy who knows there's violence, that there's armed people capable of violence, and he wants to make it easy for them. That's a pretty — if other people testify that he said that, that's a pretty damning thing.
And he didn't say that in private.
Do you ever get the feeling that you are trying to defend what is in no way defensible, Ch?
Are you still stable enough to recognize that?
Still stable enough?
Still sane enough?
Still honest enough?
Or are you now too far over the cliff?
Biden
"Liberal World Order"
Does everyone feel that James is working to "Unite" us?
Sometimes real unity can come only after guilt is admitted and renounced.
Germany could unite only by admitting Hitler and the Nazis were wrong, Japan by admitting that Japanese imperialism was wrong.
America will unite only as more an more of us agree with what is already a majority of us that Trump's totally self centered, misguided, and unstable attempt at sedition was as unAmerican and treasonous to our Constitution and our democratic way of life as it could possibly be.
Biden administration official defending high gas prices and inflation as necessary to defending the "liberal world order."
So higher gasoline and food prices is j u s t. Joe giving the USA πΊπΈ a new " Liberal World Order " .
Always Great when the Truth is Spoken openly.
Unity,
Biden's new Liberal World Order.
Meadows Intermediary Tried to Influence Hutchinson
July 1, 2022 at 4:52 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 299 Comments
“One of people who may have been trying to influence Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony did so at the behest of former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows,”
CNN reports.[LINK]
“Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY), the vice chairwoman of the committee, brought up two examples of possible witness intimidation at a hearing featuring Hutchinson, who was an aide to Meadows in the Trump White House, earlier this week, without naming a witness or who made contact.”
“Sources now tell CNN that both instances recounted by Cheney were directed at Hutchinson, and that Hutchinson believes the messages were intended to impact her testimony.”
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Click on the link at politicalwire.com for more info from the CNN article.
Trump very well knew that he was sending armed people to the Capitol to “fight like hell” or “you won’t have a country anymore.”
Newsweek:
Russia admits it's running out of weapons in Ukraine war
SIOUX CENTER, Iowa (AP) — Stunning new revelations about former President Donald Trump’s fight to overturn the 2020 election have exposed growing political vulnerabilities just as he eyes another presidential bid.
A former White House aide this week described Trump as an unhinged leader with no regard for the safety of elected officials in either party as he clung to power on Jan. 6, 2021. The testimony from the congressional panel investigating the Capitol attack provided a roadmap for prosecutors to potentially charge Trump with a crime, some legal experts say.
Republican voters — and Trump’s would-be rivals in the 2024 presidential race — took notice.
Here in Iowa, the state expected to host the first presidential nominating contest in roughly 18 months, several voters signaled Thursday that they were open to another presidential candidate even if Trump were to run again. At the same time, some conservative media outlets issued scathing rebukes of the former president. Aides for multiple GOP presidential prospects also indicated, publicly and privately, that they felt increasingly emboldened to challenge Trump in 2024 following the explosive new testimony.
Nikki Haley, Trump’s ambassador to the United Nations, drew roughly 350 conservative activists to a congressional fundraising barbecue on Thursday in Sioux County, where Trump won 82% of the vote in 2020.
And there was ample evidence of Trump fatigue. Interviews with a dozen attendees revealed strong interest in a 2024 alternative, even if Trump is on the ballot.
“You’d be hard-pressed to find people in this area who support the idea that people aren’t looking for someone else,” said Dave Van Wyk, a transportation company owner. “To presume that conservative America is 100% behind Donald Trump is simply not the case.”
For some Republican voters, that was the feeling even before this week’s stunning new testimony.
Former White House staffer Cassidy Hutchinson on Tuesday offered previously unknown details about the extent of Trump’s rage in his final weeks of office, his awareness that some supporters had brought weapons to the city on Jan. 6 and his ambivalence as rioters later laid siege to the Capitol.
Upset at the size of the crowd at his “Stop the Steal” rally — many supporters avoided entering because they were armed and didn’t want to go through metal detectors — Trump said words to the effect of, “I don’t care that they have weapons. They’re not here to hurt me,” according to Hutchinson. She recalled hearing about a separate incident after the rally in which Trump tried to grab at the steering wheel of the presidential vehicle to go to the Capitol to join his supporters.
That detail has caused some pushback. The agent who was driving the vehicle and another official were reportedly prepared to testify under oath that Trump never lunged for the wheel.
But the renewed concern was evident,
The conservative Washington Examiner’s editorial board said Hutchinson’s testimony “ought to ring the death knell” for Trump’s political career. “Trump is unfit to be anywhere near power ever again.”
Unacceptable???
Trump's Twitter would incite MAGA base to send 'bloodcurdling' threats: Georgia Lt. Gov.
Bob Brigham
July 01, 2022
Georgia Lt. Governor Geoff Duncan described a pattern of intimidation that he received immediately after being targeted on Twitter by Donald Trump.
Duncan was interviewed for a CNN documentary titled, "Trumping democracy: an American coup" that aired on Friday evening.
"There was an interesting timeline that started to happen, a pattern is a better way to put it," Duncan told CNN's Jake Tapper.
"So I would go on TV, I would speak the truth and within minutes he would send a tweet out that would say something derogatory or inflammatory," he explained.
On-screen were Trump tweets calling him a "puppet" and falsely claiming a "RINO Never Trumper...Too dumb or corrupt to recognize massive evidence of fraud in GA & should be replaced!"
Duncan explained how the pattern worked.
"And within minutes after that, me or my wife would start to get threats which would show up on our phone. I mean bloodcurdling threats from the most awful sounding individuals. And deep meaning, that they know things about you and your family," he said.
"They intentionally were trying scare us and intimidate us," Duncan said.
Geezer
the list of staffers and advisors who have turned on Trump has been growing for years, ranging from loyalists (like Michael Cohen, Omarosa, and former press secretary Stephanie Grisham) to mainstream establishment figures brought in to make the operation more professional (like Barr, Gen. James Mattis, and former National Security Advisor John Bolton) and many staffers in between (like Olivia Troye, Miles Taylor, and Alyssa Farrah).
“The public is watching bonafide Republicans ask bonafide Republicans who worked for Trump to describe just how erratic and criminal his presidency was.”
I don’t think there has ever been a past president who has engendered such little loyalty from his inner circle (yes, I’m counting Richard Nixon). But never mind presidents. How many people have you worked with who think you’re unfit and unstable?
I’m guessing that number does not even approach Trump’s.
America does not want mob boss rule.
Nor do many upstanding, principled Republicans.
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