Sergei Shoigu, Russia’s defence minister, reported to Putin on Sunday that Russia’s forces had “liberated” the whole of the region after capturing Lysychansk, Ukraine’s last stronghold in Luhansk, the ministry said.
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Ukraine’s general staff on Sunday evening confirmed the loss of Lysychansk, saying its troops “were forced to withdraw from their occupied positions and lines” after heavy fighting. The fall of the city leaves at most only a few minor Luhansk settlements under Kyiv’s control.This is sad, really. It was entirely preventable and now we are so far along into this that the best end result still means near total destruction of hundreds of towns and cities in Eastern and Southern Ukraine. Not to mention that thousands of Ukrainian troop and thousands of Russian troops have been killed or injured and thousands more would have to die if the Ukrainians wanted to drive the troops out. It's one thing to attack a city and drive armed militias out, but quite another to drive out military occupations.
I feel like a broken record on this subject, but we are appear to be purposely straddling a line where we give Ukraine enough firepower to keep the war going, but not enough to actually allow them to win. Not sure if this is cowardice on the part of Biden and his military team or if they see some sort of political strategic advantage in having the world watch this destruction? Either way, they are either cowards or horribly misjudging how the country and world reacts to wars like this.
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Biden has lost that War.
We and European and other allies are rushing ever more and ever more lethal armaments to Ukraine.
Why do you keep on rootin for Pootin?
Jammie, facts are what they are.
You lie about us True Patriots.
I served in the US Armed Forces , did you?
I'm not rootin for Pootin, SO----
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Zelensky vows to return to fight Russia in Lysychansk after withdrawal
Olafimihan Oshin
Sixth and current President of Ukraine
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky vowed on Sunday that Ukrainian forces would regroup and return to fight Russian troops in Lysychansk after withdrawing from the city over the weekend.
In his nightly address on Sunday, Zelensky added that the latest supply of modern weapons coming from the West would aid them greatly.
“And if the command of our army withdraws people from certain points of the front where the enemy has the greatest fire superiority, in particular this applies to Lysychansk, it means only one thing: we will return thanks to our tactics, thanks to the increase in the supply of modern weapons,”
Zelensky said in his address.
Russian armed forces took control of the city in the eastern Luhansk region as its latest victory in its assault on Ukraine’s east, having seized the neighboring Sievierdonetsk the prior week. The cities were central sites of the war in the Donbas region that began when Russia initially invaded in 2014.
Ukraine has said that it is losing 100 to 200 soldiers a day amid efforts to fend off Russia’s invasion, while Russia’s death toll is also believed to be high.
Zelensky added that Ukraine will not give up in this fight.
“Let them really evaluate what they got over this time and how much they paid for it. Because their current reports will turn into dust just as the previous ones,” Zelensky said. “We are gradually moving forward — in the Kharkiv region, in the Kherson region and at sea: Zmiinyi is a good example of this. There will be a day when we will say the same about Donbas."
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which began on February 24, has killed thousands of civilians and displaced more than 8.4 million Ukrainians.
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Yet Ch keeps rootin for Pootin.
I'm not rootin for Pootin" Jamie lies again. No one said you are.
And , no one here is , we are stating the facts .
Jammie, facts are what they are.
You lie about us True Patriots.
I served in the US Armed Forces , did you?
Lie, sadly you know it is and yet still repeatedly post it.
"Yet Ch keeps rootin for Pootin."
Facts on the ground destroy you.
Reverend....
I think everyone is beyond the point of rooting for anything. The reality is that Ukraine is looking at likely tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars worth of damage. Complete portions of cities including their infrastructure had been bombed into rubble. Some smaller towns basically no longer exist.
None of this can be just taken back because we provide some more "lethal" weapons. This war (which according to experts you and the nursing home resident Roger were quoting) was only supposed to last a week. Your idiot sources said Russia only planned for a 6 day campaign and only packed celebration gear. Your idiot sources stated that Russia could not last and would run out of ammunition within a few days....
Here we are... 110 days later and Russia is still moving forward and still bombing innocent civilians and still bombing commercial and residential areas causing billions more in damages.
Oh and our European friends are starting to crack. Some of them are starting to buy oil again from Russian. Bush I was able to get most every nation on board and even got troops from dozens of countries when Hussein invaded Kuwait. Compare that to the DISMAL HORRIBLE reaction to how we have handled Putin and his invasion.
Now granted... we had a true leader in Bush. Today we have a incompetent hack who needs a cue card to talk to the press. He couldn't organize a one car funeral procession. Most of the European leaders are only marginally better and appear interested in other things.
Bush despises Trump and Putin and you love both of them.
At home Biden continues to power down our Economy.
Ukraine
Ukraine lays out $750bn ‘recovery plan’ for postwar future
Volodymyr Zelenskiy says process of recovery will allow his country to deepen its links with Europe
Russia-Ukraine war – latest updates
Patrick Wintour Diplomatic Editor
Mon 4 Jul 2022 12.48 EDT
The eventual restoration of Ukraine through a $750bn (£620bn) recovery plan is the common task of the entire democratic world, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said on Monday at the first detailed event to map out a physical future for the country in the event it survives as a western-facing nation after the Russian invasion.
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I have been reading the maps and the Russian military is doing better than before but we just started started sending high technology anti aircraft and artillery technology that can determine where they fired them and return fire immediately. If they hold on until next winter then???
As long as it takes I don't want the U.S to quit supporting Ukrainian President and armed forces until the Russian economy collapses to the point when Putin is either murdered or dies of the diseases that have been reported.
Ukrainian forces have raised the country’s flag on Snake Island, a strategic and symbolic outpost in the Black Sea that Russian troops retreated from last week after months of heavy bombardment.
“The military operation has been concluded, and … the territory, Snake Island, has been returned to the jurisdiction of Ukraine,” Natalia Humeniuk, a spokesperson for Ukraine’s southern military command, told reporters.
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Ukraine PM: confiscated assets from Russian oligarchs should fund recovery
There is a little more here from Reuters about what Ukraine’s prime minister Denys Shmygal told the Ukraine Recovery Conference hosted by Switzerland today.
It reports he said Ukraine’s recovery plan had three phases: a first focused on fixing things that matter for people’s daily lives, such as water supply, which is ongoing; a second “fast recovery” component that will be launched as soon as fighting ends, including temporary housing, hospital and school projects; and a third that aims to transform the country over the longer term.
Shmygal also added that the Ukrainian government believed a key source of funding for the recovery plan should be assets confiscated from Russian oligarchs.
I get it Roger...
You want to watch more blood and destruction for "however long it takes" for 145 million Russian citizens fall into economic collapse so they can join the millions of displaced Ukrainians who have had their lives ruined by this war.
Seems like you entire point is to see how many people can die, how many lives can be destroyed, and how much destruction can take place...
All for what exactly?
This will never be a win for anyone, Roger.
Billions in damages, millions in displaced Ukrainians, and tens of thousands of lives lost.... and you seem proud of this for some reason?
Oh and our European friends are starting to crack. Some of them are starting to buy oil again from Russian. Bush I was able to get most every nation on board and even got troops from dozens of countries when Hussein invaded Kuwait. Compare that to the DISMAL HORRIBLE reaction to how we have handled Putin and his invasion.
Germany is out of firewood and wood burning stoves, they’ll be screaming for Ruskie oil and gas soon
They’re Not Laughing Now: Wood-burning Stoves and Firewood in Short Supply in Germany as Citizens Fear Freezing to Death Due to Gas Shortages
Roger Rootin for blood shed and bleeding the US Tax Payer.
Excellent news.
It is a primary reason.i have heated our home for 30+ years with wood.
U.S. home heating oil, natural gas and Propane are up hugely because of Bidens Attack on US πΊπΈ and Canadian π¨π¦ oil/gas.
The eventual restoration of Ukraine through a $750bn (£620bn) recovery plan is the common task of the entire democratic world, the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, said on Monday...
Will someone please put several bullets in this fucking clown?
Billions in damages, millions in displaced Ukrainians, and tens of thousands of lives lost.... and you seem proud of this for some reason?
The reason is that he's an imbecile locked away in a psychiatric hospital, trying to relive his glory days of combat - beating the living shit out of defenseless black women.
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Working on it Mr. President. In the meantime - have a Happy 4th and please make sure the WH intern who posted this tweet registers for Econ 101 for the fall semester...
President Biden
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My message to the companies running gas stations and setting prices at the pump is simple: this is a time of war and global peril.
Bring down the price you are charging at the pump to reflect the cost you’re paying for the product. And do it now.
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WTF??
What state is that AGAIN?! LOL!’ Kamala Harris being interviewed at Essence Fest ACCIDENTALLY hilarious (pic)
They don’t have people that can spell???
At least 6 dead, 24 injured after shooting at Highland Park, Illinois, Fourth of July parade
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DAVID K. LI AND MATTEO MOSCHELLA
July 4, 2022, 1:11 PM
Ch wants tyrants to triumph.
Putin for one.
Trump for another.
I hope neither manages.
All for what exactly?
Uh...preventing another Russian empire.
At least 6 dead, 24 injured after shooting at Highland Park, Illinois, July Fourth parade
Hmmmm and assault rifles are illegal there
REALITY CHECK FOR THOSE WHO ARE ROOTIN FOR POOTIN
KYIV (Reuters) - Though Russia can claim a prize with its capture of Ukraine's eastern Luhansk region, it is far from Moscow's ambitious early war aims and does not deal Kyiv a decisive military blow.
Russia says it holds all of Ukraine's Luhansk with capture of last city
Russia will focus on Ukraine's Donetsk region after taking Luhansk, regional governor says
The Russian assault will now switch its focus to the rest of the Donbas industrial heartland, but Kyiv will find it easier to defend fortified positions in Donetsk region and the battles that will shape the war's course still lie ahead, military analysts said. CH WEEPS.
"I think it's a tactical victory for Russia but at an enormous cost within the context of redefined military goals," said Neil Melvin, a London-based RUSI think tank analyst.
Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated his troops on Monday for "liberating" Luhansk region, promising medals for heroism and saying that soldiers should get some rest. Three Russian cosmonauts sent a celebratory message from space.
It is a milestone for a war machine that abandoned an assault on Kyiv in the conflict's early weeks to focus on capturing the Donbas, made up of Luhansk and Donetsk - swathes of which Kyiv still controls.
Russia says it wants to wrest the Donbas from Ukraine on behalf of Moscow-backed separatists in two self-proclaimed people's republics whose independence it recognised on the eve of the war.
The Battle for the Donbas began around mid-April and it has taken since then for Russia to drive Ukraine from just Luhansk, a large chunk of which was already held by Moscow-backed separatist proxies before the Feb. 24 invasion.
"This (the capture of Luhansk) is a redefined objective and a very small objective in a way. And Russia has put its full military force into achieving this goal and still it has taken nearly 60 days," Melvin said.
Russia's initial war aims went far beyond the Donbas and capturing Luhansk region, and likely included a change of government or at least altering ex-Soviet Ukraine's westward orientation, said Rob Lee of the U.S.-based Foreign Policy Research Institute. They also included "de-militarising" Ukraine.
"Clearly Russia had more ambitious aims at the beginning of the war," he said.
'IT HURTS A LOT'
Russia has switched its battlefield tactics, using long-range shelling to force Ukrainian forces from positions before sending in ground forces, making slow, grinding progress reminiscent of World War One, analyst say.
"This isn't a way to build momentum; they're taking relatively small amount of territory each day and in the context of modern warfare, this is very slow progress. The Russians are burning through their advanced equipment and personnel, so they are paying a price for this," said Melvin.
Ukraine's governor of Luhansk region told Reuters its capture after Ukraine withdrew from Lysychansk city was a "painful" loss, but that it had saved soldiers from being completely surrounded and pounded by artillery.
"In terms of the military, it is bad to leave positions, but there is nothing critical. We need to win the war, not the battle for Lysychansk," Governor Sergiy Gaidai said.
He predicted Donetsk region's city of Sloviansk and town of Bakhmut would be the targets of Russia's next offensive. He urged foreign powers to step up heavy weapons supplies, saying the West had "understood too late" the situation in Ukraine.
The invasion has killed thousands, displaced millions and flattened cities, particularly in Russian-speaking areas in the east and southeast of Ukraine.
Kyiv and the West say Russia is waging an unprovoked war of aggression and accuse Moscow of war crimes. Moscow denies that and calls its actions a special military operation to degrade Ukraine's military, root out dangerous nationalists in power and protect Russian speakers from Ukraine.
[by flattending their cities!]
KEY BATTLE YET TO COME
Lee said it had been hard for Ukraine to hold positions in Lysychansk and the city of Sievierodonetsk, another frontline stronghold that fell on June 25, both of which lay on Ukrainian-held land that jutted into Russian-held territory.
Kyiv was unable to send heavy artillery and air defences to cover its troops there because they would have been exposed, a disadvantage it will not have if a new defensive line takes shape near Sloviansk and nearby Kramatorsk, he said.
"That kind of line should be easier for Ukraine to defend with long range artillery and long range air defence systems, so they can use that to provide cover so they get the Ukrainian troops fighting there because they're not in this deep salient," he said.
He predicted Russia might make more small gains in the east in the meantime.
Russia, which annexed the peninsula of Crimea in 2014, captured swathes of southern Ukraine, claiming control of the strategically important Kherson region that looks out onto the Black Sea and where Ukraine says it plans a counter-offensive.
The key battle of the war is still yet to come and Ukraine likely sees its counter-offensive in Kherson as of greater strategic importance than the fight for the Donbas, said Melvin.
"The Battle in Donbas is not going to be the strategic battle for Ukraine; that battle is likely to take place in the south," he said.
I'M ROOTIN FOR UKRAINE!
Roger is at it again, attempting to make emotion and opinion into facts.
Rev. Jammie , then go fight in Ukraine.
At least 6 dead, 24 injured after shooting at Highland Park, Illinois, Fourth of July parade
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DAVID K. LI AND MATTEO MOSCHELLA
Blue states have a real problem with gun violence!
Chicago, I'll.
54 shot, 9 dead,Having a wonderful 4th.
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