Chief among them: If Donald Trump wanted to incite violence that fateful day, as his critics suggest, then why did he order the Pentagon to have a large military force ready to quell a disturbance? And why did a Democrat-led Congress turn down the assistance of pop National Guard troops in the face of intelligence warnings about violence?
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By their own admission, Democrats set up the hearings to evade such scrutiny. They declared any questions about what House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knew about the potential for Jan. 6 violence and when she knew it were off limits.
Secret Service agents were never called to testify in public about whether former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson's story about Trump trying to force his limousine to go to the Capitol were true. And questions about how those in charge of Capitol security responded to FBI and Homeland Security pre-event warnings about potential violence were never asked, much less answered.
"Legal scholars are very troubled by the way these hearings are being conducted," Sullivan said. "There is no due process. For people who don’t have an agenda to promote, these [hearings] are Stalinist. And I hate using that term."Not just liars. But cheap disgusting whores!
The good news? Everyone is starting to realize that the ENTIRE Jan 6th committee and their hearings are another TDS hoax put forth by people blinded by their own hatred of the bad orange man! Well, those Americans who are also suffering from TDS and have a blinded hatred of the bad orange man still might be able to convince themselves with bias confirmation and cognitive dissonance that things are going swimmingly. These are the same people who probably still believe Trump colluded with Putin and that the 2020 election was the "most secure evah".
But that number is dwindling quickly.
I mean this is a commission that has put forth audio of the President's speech where he calls on people to march to the capitol... but over and over and over they edit out the part where he uses the term "peacefully and patriotically" to describe how he wanted this march to play out. That is not just dishonest, but unethical and quite literally the DEFINITION of CORRUPTION! There is literally no defense of that sort of action.
None.
What.
So.
Ever!
At the end of the day what the President stated on camera. What the "documents" show! What all the actual true physical and first hand (verifiable Trump statements) show is that he wanted a peaceful rally. Only hearsay, third hand stories, speculation, and poorly put together edited circumstantial suggestions are available to the committee to push.
I guess the commission would rather be dishonest than follow the country's wishes and let it go.
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What is worse??
The fact that the United States of America is now running Kangaroo courts were lies are outwardly told, statements are dishonestly edited and then played as evidence, and anything that does not play into a narrative is censored and not allowed to be presented...
Or the fact that there are actually Americans SO CONSUMED WITH HATE that they believe that this sort of third world dictator kangaroo court is just perfectly fine with them?
Disgusting.
No other fn word for it.
From the beginning of this dumb thread:
CAPS ADDED:
If Donald Trump DID NOT WANT to incite violence that fateful day, as his critics suggest HE DID, then why did he REMAIN SIENT FOR THREE HOURS AND SEVEN MINUTES WHILE VIOLENCE WAS TAKING PLACE AT AND INSIDE THE CAPITOL BUILDING?
SILENT
Reverend...
Why did Schumer and Pelosi REMAIN SILENT PRIOR TO, DURING, AND AFTER?
Capitol security WAS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY
It was not Trump's...
It would seem to me that the people who wanted to see violence were those who refused to take National Guard (because of optics) refused to do anything during the riots, and did what liberals always do WHEN THEY FUCK UP!
Point fingers!
Why are you pointing fingers at a person NOT RESPONSIBLE for THEIR security?
Why?
Why?
Answer Revered?
I dare ya!
Why didn't YOU DO SOMETHING Reverend!
Why did you sit on your ass complaining?
You must have WANTED THE RIOT!
You are guilty of a crime!
Since we can just "blame" whoever we want...
Even if it was not their responsibility!
You blame Trump!
I blame you!
If you ask me another question without answering mine...
I may just have to delete your sorry old dishonest hypocritical ass!
CH says:
...but over and over and over they edit out the part where he uses the term "peacefully and patriotically" to describe how he wanted this march to play out.
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Yes, but over and over YOU edit out the fact that, although he did mention those words in his speech, he had a short timer earlier raised hell over the fact that the Secret Service would not allow armed people onto the Ellipse so he he send them armed along with the others marching to the Capitol to "fight like hell" to stop and reverse the electoral vote.
He WANTED armed people included in the crowd at the Ellipse and among those who would march because, he said, they "are not here to hurt me."
Who then DID he want them to hurt?
Mike Pence, who he later said "deserved" to be hanged?
Just so we understand the logic...
A person not responsible for Capitol security...
without authority over the Capitol police or local national guard...
Is a criminal because he didn't do something?
But the people who "were" actually responsible for the Capitol security? THe people who are on record (documented requests) as turning down extra security, not doing anything when the shit broke out ON THEIR WATCH...
are running hearings blaming someone else.
And you are falling for it?
Ch, calm down. I just this minute read posts 11:48, 11:50, and 11:51.
And now 11:55.
What you don't recognize that he tried to stage a coup and because people who have worked for him for years refused to cooperate with him.
Unfortunately too many people like you can't or don't even care about it because you are loyal to him.
History is filled with people like him, who remain loyal to them no matter how dangerous they are.
After the first world War the same thing happened in Germany and Italy.
The Greatest Generation saved the world from Hitler and Mousolini and The Japanese kingdom.
People like Truman and Eisenhower created the cold war, that eventually destroyed Communism in 1991, when President George HW Bush stared at the Berlin Wall. Ronald Reagan would despise him
It's impossible to get you to realize how dangerous he is.
But the fact is that the very best people who worked for him understood him.
He will be charged in Georgia 🇬🇪 fairly soon
And ✔️ after the election day, Attorney General Merrick Garland will follow the law.
Just The News
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I can actually listen to his speech Reverend.
We can all hear the words.
All of the rest of these allegations... they really cannot actually provide those statements for anyone to listen to, now can we?
Cannot hear them to know how Pelosi and Cheney dishonestly edited them? Which we HAVE TO ASSUME they did.
Even what we can hear and can verify... they edit and we know they are editing it. In fact, they know we know. But do it anyways because people like you will still fall for it.
But you want me to "TRUST" that the rest of the hearsay is honest and complete?
Not in a million years Reverend.
The Hutchinson testimony is all irrelevant. Likely wouldn't be able to even call this witness in any real hearing because there are first hand witnesses than can be called instead. Most of the rest of the nonsense is equally inadmissible.
What a court or real hearing would look at however! Is the Documented prove that he called for security, that he did what HE could do in his power as President (which was just to suggest it).
Ever stop to think why the President only suggested extra security rather than order it? Do you realize that he COULD NOT order it himself. THat it was not under his jurisdiction?
You know... separation of powers and such. EQUAL branches and such?
Congress is AS responsible for the Capital as the executive branch is for the White House. Could you imagine a President blaming Congress because there was a breach of the White House? Yet no more RIDICULOUS than what we are seeing here.
McCarthyism 1952.
"Legal scholars are very troubled by the way these hearings are being conducted," Sullivan said. "There is no due process. For people who don’t have an agenda to promote, these [hearings] are Stalinist. And I hate using that term."
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I will answer your question with a counter question that seems like a good answer to me:
When we SAW the violence begin breaking out at the Capitol directed at the Capitol police as the Capitol Building itself was illegally breached, why was it Vice President Pence, and not President Trump, who called for additional troops to quell the violence?
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I quote:
Members of the commission investigating the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, on Thursday asserted that President Donald Trump made no efforts to stop rioters even as Vice President Mike Pence attempted to order National Guard troops to quell the violence.
“Not only did President Trump
refuse to tell the mob to leave the Capitol,
he placed no call to any element of the United States government to instruct that the Capitol be defended,” said Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., during the panel’s wide-ranging Thursday night hearing on the event.
“He did not call his secretary of defense on Jan. 6.
He did not talk to his Attorney General.
He did not talk to the Department of Homeland Security,” Cheney added.
“President Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard that day.
And he made no effort to work with the Department of Justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets.”
The statements were backed up with testimony from Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, who said that Pence told Pentagon leaders to “get the Guard down here, put down this situation.”
James, indy was absolutely amazing and correct about Scott IED.
But fortunately I'm not crazy 😜
It seems to me that even if a number of our government officials should better have seen this coming, that pales in comparison to the failure of Trump to act even AFTER it actually began happening.
CH,
12:04 is a lot of your usual word salad compared to what I said. It fails to answer my far better and more pertinent question.
Well Roger...
What you do not realize is that the Jan 6th hearings now actually appear to be galvanizing the Trump support. At the end of the day, what could have been a legitimate set of hearings have turned into a stage political hit piece...
and for many Americans it quite literally is making Trump out to be the victim of dishonest attacks disguised as something real and official.
Most Americans place American principals ahead of partisan politics. The Bill of rights is dominated by the prevention of the sort of things these Trump haters are doing right now. THis is not a "hearing" - it's a trial being staged without a Judge and with a Defense. Just a prosecution.
Trump is not being given a fair trial as everyone has the right to. He has been given no opportunity to confront his accusers. There is no judge. No Jury. Just a team of prosecutors who are openly lying... and people know they are lying.
And no.... it doesn't matter one bit how this came to be and whether you want to blame Republicans for not allowing Pelosi to hand pick more Republicans. The commission is what is is... a bunch of Trump haters willing to lie in front of Americans.
And Americans are justifiably turning against it.
again... 2-1 Americans wanted a commission.
now... by 2-1 they believe this is partisan and we should move on.
And Trump's popularity is starting to climb again.
They literally turned him into a martyr.
How stupid of them!
The first January 6th man who attempted to obstruct the certification process.
Paul Hodgkins, 39, appeared before U.S District Judge Randolph Moss on Friday for a re-entry progress hearing. He was sentenced in July of 2021 to eight months in prison after being the first Jan. 6 defendant to plead guilty to a felony.
Hodgkins was seen inside the Senate chamber during the Capitol siege, carrying a flag bearing Donald Trump‘s name, wearing goggles and a “Trump 2020” shirt, and saluting people who were standing on the dais. He had entered the Capitol at 2:50 p.m., a little more than 30 minutes after rioters first breached the building.
In June of 2021, Hodgkins pleaded guilty to one count of obstruction an official proceeding of Congress, a felony that carries a potential 20-year prison sentence and a fine of up to $250,000.
That's the same law that Attorney is Merrick Garland will change your hero after the election day I'm November 2022.
It seems to me that even if a number of our government officials should better have seen this coming, that pales in comparison to the failure of Trump to act even AFTER it actually began happening.
So again...
We seem to agree that Trump did what he "could" prior to the rally to make sure it was peaceful... but that Pelosi and Congress refused to heed his warnings (due to optics concerns - all documented and provable btw).
We agree that Trump called on his rally goers to be peaceful and patriotic as they marched as a rally to the Capitol. We have to agree because we can both listen to the speech!
Where we apparently fundamentally still disagree is simple
I have the understanding that Capital security is under the jurisdiction of the Capitol police (who answer to Congress - not the President) and that local Guardsmen are under the authority of the Virginia Governor and DC Mayor. I understand this because it is a fact.
But you seem to believe that Pelosi and Schumer, the Capitol police, the DC Mayor the Virginia Governor were responsible for nothing. That even though security was "their responsibility" by all legal standards... that somehow Trump is responsible for their failure?
You just have never even tried to explain why you believe it?
I tend to believe that the reason is simple. If you accepted the reality of responsibility here... the entire commission allegation house of cards falls down into giant heap.
Unless you care to explain where you get the idea that Capitol Security is not the responsibility of those I state?
His word salads are more evidence of IED
.
Tick tock...
Tick tock...
Wait for Roger or Reverend to change the subject now with a cut and paste!
Trump’s plotting was foiled by Republicans in the states that mattered, conservative aides, bureaucrats and loyalists-to-a-point who ultimately said no, no, no.
When Trump demanded to be taken to the Capitol on Jan. 6, the committee was told, his Secret Service detail said no.
and
When Trump pressed his vice president to derail the certification of Joe Biden’s election, four years of supplication and admiring glances by Pence came to an end. He said no.
The Republican election official in Georgia said no to cooking armthe results to deliver Trump the state, never losing his cool on the phone with the president. The Republican House speaker in Arizona, pressed to appoint fake electors, invoked his oath and said no way.
Loyalty to your hero is irrelevant 💯
The Commander in Chief could have called the National Guard forces the minute after he sat down and watched Fox News coverage of the armed forces broke into the Capital building
Instead he watched it for three hours and cheered 🍻
No, Ch, we do NOT agree.
What Trump did is FAR, FAR, FAR more egregious than any failure on the part of our government agencies to foresee a coming problem.
He SAW it and failed to act.
Conservatives after conservatives who have any sense of propriety and responsibility admit that.
See the editorials in the conservative Murdoch newspapers THE WALL STREET JOURNAL and THE NEW YORK POST. They strongly say that as well.
Better,
he SAW IT ACTUALLY HAPPENING
and failed to act.
NEW YORK (AP) — An estimated 17.7 million viewers watched Thursday night’s hearing of the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.
The Nielsen Company said that is second to the 20 million who saw the first committee hearing on June 9, the only other one of the eight sessions held in prime time.
Ten networks aired this past week’s hearing live, down from the 11 that showed the June 9 session. The conservative network Newsmax dropped out this time.
The six daytime hearings average 11.2 million viewers, with a peak audience of 13.2 million on June 28, when ex-White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson testified about former President Donald Trump’s behavior.
An estimated 13.6 million of Thursday’s viewers, or 77 percent, were age 55 and older, Nielsen said. Only 705,000 viewers were 18 to 34.
MSNBC said the 4.7 million people who watched its coverage represented the network’s biggest prime-time audience since the night of the event that the committee is investigating.
Public hearings are expected to resume in September.
Loyalists like you are incapable of objective thinking about people like him.
Older people often vote Republican but look at the numbers
And Trump only decided to act and send the rioters home when it became clear that his insanely dishonest attempt to overthrow the election would not and could not succeed.
By then, Pence had made it clear that he would not allow the Secret Service to spirit him away from the Capitol Building to some other location.
Pence was determined to remain and fulfill his Constutionally mandated duty.
Like a true patriot.
Reverend...
You didn't answer my question,
It's simple.
Where do you get the idea that Trump (not Pelosi and Schumer) was Responsible for the Capitol Security...
and how is that you can "disagree" with a speech that Trump gave and can be listened to at any time to literally distinguish EXACTLY what he stated?
and how is it that you can disagree with the literal physical memos provided where Trump recommends more security - along with memos showing that Congress turned it down due to concerns of optics?
I would like you to specifically tell my why you disagree.
These seem to be facts! Not opinions or questionable third hand accounts.
No matter your views of the Jan. 6 special committee, the facts it is laying out in hearings are sobering. The most horrifying to date came Thursday in a hearing on President Trump’s conduct as the riot raged and he sat watching TV, posting inflammatory tweets and refusing to send help.
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Shortly after Mr. Trump urged protesters to march on the Capitol, he was told violence was breaking out. At about 1:30 p.m. he went to the dining room, where he stayed until 4 p.m. There is no official record of what he did, and the photographer was told no pictures.
All of MAGA world was texting Chief of Staff Mark Meadows that Mr. Trump needed to call off his supporters. White House Counsel Pat Cipollone testified that he argued internally “there needs to be a public announcement, fast, that they need to leave the Capitol.” He added that Mr. Meadows joined those calls throughout the day, as did Ivanka Trump.
By 2:13 the Capitol was breached. The committee played radio traffic from Vice President Mike Pence’s security detail. “I’ve got public about five feet from me down here below,” one voice said. Another warned: “If we lose any more time, we may lose the ability to leave.”
Roger
200 million Americans watched Watergate
40-50 million Americans watch a typical SOTU address and more watch the Presidential debates.
Again...
Trump's popularity is rising!
He is more popular than Biden and beats him in head to head match ups!
How badly does that chap your ass Roger?
How frustrating is that for you!
LOL!!! must really suck being a liberal and losing so much!
Trump was told about this. Scott he was The Commander in Chief. Using Pelosi as an excuse is not relevant.
Because he didn't do anything for three hours and ten minutes after they attacked the Capital building
You have lost your mind Scott....
Why did this get deeted, Ch.
And the only reaons Trump finally called on the rioters to go home was when he saw that there was not way his insanely dishonest attempt to overthrow the election would not succeed.
By then, Pence had made it clear that he would not allow the Secret Service to spirit him away to some other location.
He refused to get into the limo because, he said, he did not truth the driver, and he was determined to remain at the Capitol an fulfill his Constitutionaly mandated duty.
Like a true patriot.
No matter your views of the Jan. 6 special committee, the facts it is laying out in hearings are sobering. The most horrifying to date came Thursday in a hearing on President Trump’s conduct as the riot raged and he sat watching TV, posting inflammatory tweets and refusing to send help.
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Shortly after Mr. Trump urged protesters to march on the Capitol, he was told violence was breaking out. At about 1:30 p.m. he went to the dining room, where he stayed until 4 p.m. There is no official record of what he did, and the photographer was told no pictures.
All of MAGA world was texting Chief of Staff Mark Meadows that Mr. Trump needed to call off his supporters. White House Counsel Pat Cipollone testified that he argued internally “there needs to be a public announcement, fast, that they need to leave the Capitol.” He added that Mr. Meadows joined those calls throughout the day, as did Ivanka Trump.
By 2:13 the Capitol was breached. The committee played radio traffic from Vice President Mike Pence’s security detail. “I’ve got public about five feet from me down here below,” one voice said. Another warned: “If we lose any more time, we may lose the ability to leave.”
So for sake of argument....
18-19 million Americans on average watching the primetime and 12 million watching the daytime hearings...
That would be around 5.5% of Americans watching the primetime and 3.5% watching the daytime.
So 94.5% and 96.5% of the public are not watching....
Reverend...
Still not answering my question
Until you explain why you believe Trump was responsible for Pelosi and Schumer's job...
Not a single portion of "why didn't he do something" is relevant.
You really don't grasp that do you?
This is cognitive dissonance at its finest!
Simply will not allow yourself to address it.
Can
Not
Think
About
The
Truth
or your whole existence falls apart!
The committee’s critics are right that it lacks political balance. It is trying to make a criminal case that might be hard to prove and might tear the country apart. It undermines its argument by not releasing full transcripts of testimony. Why rely on what Ms. Matthews said that Ms. McEnany said that Mr. Trump said? The committee interviewed Ms. McEnany.
Still, the brute facts remain: Mr. Trump took an oath to defend the Constitution, and he had a duty as Commander in Chief to protect the Capitol from a mob attacking it in his name. He refused. He didn’t call the military to send help. He didn’t call Mr. Pence to check on the safety of his loyal VP. Instead he fed the mob’s anger and let the riot play out.
In the 18 months since, Mr. Trump has shown not an iota of regret. On Thursday he claimed to be vindicated by a bill to clarify the Electoral Count Act. “Mike Pence told me, and everybody else, there was nothing he could do,” Mr. Trump wrote. “If so, how come the Democrats and RINOs are working so hard to make sure there is nothing a VP can do.”
Character is revealed in a crisis, and Mr. Pence passed his Jan. 6 trial. Mr. Trump utterly failed his.
Pence will go down in history as the savior of The Constitution of the United States of America and for which it stands.
You grandchildren will see you as a crazy person 😜
I feel sorry for you Roger...
You must feel so helpless not being able to come up with anything on your own. Probably blaming it on age...
and then having to cut and paste again... knowing nobody cares.
Such a sorry state!
As Trende once said... I let you ruin my blog.
Scott, Trump he had a duty as Commander in Chief to protect the Capitol from a mob attacking it in his name. He refused.
Sorry WSJ...
The President does not have a "duty" to provide Capitol ground security. That is a blatant lie!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-president-who-stood-still-donald-trump-jan-6-committee-mike-pence-capitol-riot-11658528548?st=3ec3pdhb9ot8poo&reflink=share_mobilewebshare
What you say is so weak compared to Trump's failue to act so strongly condemned by the WSJ and the New York Post tht it really merits no answer.
Alright.... Done here.
Have fun with your circle jerk.
Obviously neither of you want a serious debate.
No, you are the one who dances all about. Always.
You really are gone.
Mr. Trump took an oath to defend the Constitution and he refused.
Even the very conservative wsj said that you have lost your mind Scott .
When people debate about things, they revert to insults and like now.
Alright.... Done here.
Have fun with your circle jerk.
Obviously neither of you want a serious debate.
Because we proved him wrong
You said he was not responsible???
You have never understood the Constitution. After the Civil War
He could be prosecuted for “dereliction of duty” for his refusal to intervene to stop the attack on the Capitol. He could be prosecuted for “inciting an insurrection.” Section 3 of the 14th amendment which was passed after the Civil War to keep Confederates out of office could be used to keep him from ever running for office again. It provides: “No person shall … hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath … to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same.”
No you didn’t Alky, all you posted was blather that is disproven
But you did prove the only people interested in this farce are geriatrics locked down
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