Trump got spring grand jury subpoena, gathered documents, turned them over and allowed agents to search storage locker the FBI later raided.
Two months before his Florida home was raided by the FBI, former President Donald Trump secretly received a grand jury subpoena for classified documents belonging to the National Archives, and voluntarily cooperated by turning over responsive evidence, surrendering security surveillance footage and allowing federal agents and a senior Justice Department lawyer to tour his private storage locker, according to a half dozen people familiar with the incident.
While the cooperation was mostly arranged by his lawyers, Trump personally surprised the DOJ National Security Division prosecutor and three FBI agents who came to his Mar-a-Lago compound on June 3, greeting them as they came to pick up a small number of documents compliant with the subpoena, the sources told Just the News, speaking only on condition of anonymity because the visit was covered by grand jury secrecy.
Trump signaled his full cooperation, telling the agents and prosecutor, "Look, whatever you need let us know," according to two eyewitnesses. The federal team was surprised by the president's invitation and asked for an immediate favor: to see the 6-foot-by-10-foot storage locker where his clothes, shoes, documents and mementos from his presidency were stored at the compound.
Given Trump's instruction, the president's lawyers complied and allowed the search by the FBI before the entourage left cordially. Five days later, DOJ officials sent a letter to Trump's lawyers asking them to secure the storage locker with more than the lock they had seen. The Secret Service installed a more robust security lock to comply.
Around the same time, the Trump Organization, which owns Mar-a-Lago, received a request for surveillance video footage covering the locker and volunteered the footage to federal authorities, sources disclosed.
Turley has a good article today on this situation. He points out several examples of this supposed law getting broken without consequence, including James Comey admittedly removing a secured document and leaking it to a friend in the press. Comey was never charged. While this removing classified information is technically a crime, it has never been used against a former President in a National Archives situation and it has rarely been charges even when people did it with malice and the intent to use that information (such as Comey).
Those who have been charged were given slaps. General Petraeus & Sandy Berger were a couple he pointed out. The fact that this law is rarely charged and never used in a Presidential Archives situation, makes the law a dubious reasoning for a full scale raid with 30 agents sporting guns.
Turley also points out that these sorts of raids are predicated on an unwillingness for the person to otherwise cooperate. There seems to be zero evidence of any such unwillingness by Trump or anyone associated with Trump. They have already searched his residence once and he let them in. In fact they had already searched the area that was assumed to be their target. To justify this raid, the FBI would need to show just cause that they believed that he would not have cooperated had they made a second request. Seems highly unlikely that they have such a justification.
So based on what we know... the raid seems unjustified on both fronts. The potential crime does not fit the situation and his previous cooperation undermines the need. They better have something more than what is assumed.
63 comments:
KD.
1.4 million Americans have taken a 2nd Full time job since Bidenomics struck.
Do you suppose that, after Trump had assured the FBI that he had given them everything that was relevant,
a tip off from an insider providing specific inormation
1) about certain documents Trump was continuing to keep hidden
and
2) exactly where those documents were being kept hidden
~~~do you suppose that this would convince a judge* that the FBI had sufficient reason to mount a raid to determine whether this the tip off was true?
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*And, when the affadavit is unsealed, the rest of us
James, blamed President Trump for not releasing the Biden/Garland created Raid Warrant.
James, show us where President Trump was given a copy of the warrant and a full return which show all itemized items Siezed.
Thank you in advance .
And looking here, remember Bubba meeting on the tarmac with Lynch re Cankles private server?
The guy who broke the story has Arkancided
Total distrust under Democrats.
Total opposite
the raid seems unjustified on both fronts.
Garland is a very qualified man who should be on the Supreme Court...
Wray was appointed by Trump
Scott he knew in advance
Former President Donald J. Trump received a subpoena this spring in search of documents that federal investigators believed he had failed to turn over earlier in the year, when he returned boxes of material he had improperly taken with him upon moving out of the White House, three people familiar with the matter said.
The existence of the subpoena helps to flesh out the sequence of events that led to the search of Mr. Trump’s Florida home on Monday by F.B.I. agents seeking classified material they believed might still be there, even after efforts by the National Archives and the Justice Department to ensure that it had been returned.
The subpoena suggests that the Justice Department tried methods short of a search warrant to account for the material before taking the politically explosive step of sending F.B.I. agents unannounced to Mar-a-Lago, Mr. Trump’s home and members-only club.
Two people briefed on the classified documents that investigators believe remained at Mar-a-Lago indicated that they were so sensitive in nature, and related to national security, that the Justice Department had to act.
No need to "Do you suppose "
Release the Raid Warrant and all items seized.
Simply be transparent to We the People.
Ask Trump himself to show us the warrant with all that it specifies.
He has it.
Why is he not releasing it?
Why is he keeping it hidden?
He also has the listing of all the items the FBI took.
He can release that too.
Don't get me wrong, however.
Trump has the RIGHT not to release all that.
Just as he has the RIGHT to take he fifth.
It is to protect his legal RIGHTS that the FBI and DOJ remain so quiet.
Roger did you read cold’s post, if so, you obviously didn’t comprehend it?
Roger...
Did you read the fucking post?
Trump cooperated with that subpoena 100% and offered his cooperation in the future. He even put a different lock on the storage locker in question.
That fact that he was previously subpoenaed, that he cooperated, and was still cooperating...
Is more reason that he should NOT have been raided.
Man oh man... you are like a fucking child who needs everything explained to you in small simple words. The least intelligent person I have dealt with.
We can avoid the f word, Ch.
You used to list obscenity as one of the things you discouraged.
Reverend...
It is not Trump's responsibility to release anything and according to his legal team, they have nothing to release. They are currently looking at a legal move to require the FBI to turn over the full copy of the warrant and affidavit along with an inventory of what they took... They say they were given none of that.
Here we have Trump.
Being nice, fully cooperating with everything. Agreeing to every demand and agreeing to cooperate with anything in the future.
And you have the Biden/Garland hit order to have 30 FBI agents with guns go raid his place when he was 1000 miles away. Kick his attorneys off the grounds, rummage through wardrobes and such for 9 hours. Tell the Trump people to turn off the surveillance cameras (why?)
and not tell ANYONE including Trump why?
and you fucking want to blame Trump!
and wonder why this sort of blatant stupidity creates the need to use a profanity or two.
I mean really Reverend.
Show us you can be a little objective here... like most Newspapers, some of your more adult Democrats, and pretty much every other country in the fucking world who wonder why Biden is trying to turn the US into a banana republic.
You don't like the use of a profanity...
well then... go away!
The polling coming out on this is very bad news for Biden, Garland, the DOJ, and the FBI...
Less than 40% of the public believe that this was motivated by impartial reasoning (versus just under 50% who believe it was politically motivated). Personally I am shocked that the number of people who believe this is on the up and up is that high, but I guess people "want" to believe that the Justice system is fair.
Moreover, Republicans and Independents are more motivated by this to vote than Democrats... which makes perfect sense.
The FBI putting Wray up to a podium to basically tell us nothing does not help. Oh... he wants to denounce threats (but had nothing to say when the threats were aimed at USSC justices). But he refuses to answer questions about why they raided Trump's residence when he was fully cooperating by all accounts.
Now the FBI has a rule... one that has not always been followed (Clinton email), but it is generally the case that they make no moves that might be seen as political within 90 days of an election.
Coincidence that this raid came 91 days before the election?
What that probably means is that we will hear nothing more about this till after the midterms... which is not going to sit well with people. If we are 60 days from now and the FBI has neither explained their actions or took any new action against Trump... this is going to look awful bad for them.
Meanwhile...
I have about 10 comments from Roger...
Explaining to me exactly what I put in my post here... as if I didn't actually understand what I wrote and needed him to explain it to me....
or that everyone needs Roger to reaffirm (mostly through cut and pastes) what I wrote because otherwise nobody will get it?
"They say they have none of that."
Then they must be lying.
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Forgive the C and P, but I just now saw this:
Subpoena Preceded Trump Search Warrant
August 11, 2022 at 1:08 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 98 Comments
“The FBI search at Mar-a-Lago this week came months after federal investigators served an earlier grand jury subpoena and took away sensitive national security documents from former President Donald Trump’s property during a June meeting,” CNN reports.
“Investigators executed Monday’s search in part because they had developed evidence, including from at least one witness, that there were potentially classified documents still remaining at the Palm Beach, Florida, property months after the National Archives arranged for the retrieval of 15 boxes of documents that included classified information in January of this year.
“Authorities also believed the documents remaining at Mar-a-Lago had national security implications.”
New York Times:
Subpoena preceded search warrant to retrieve material from Trump.
Taegan Goddard comments:
That suggests the material withheld was intentionally withheld.
Also this C & P:
Trump Allies Worry More Damaging News Is Coming
August 11, 2022 at 1:37 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 44 Comments
New York Times:
“Some senior Republicans have been warned by allies of Mr. Trump not to continue to be aggressive in criticizing the Justice Department and the F.B.I. over the matter because it is possible that more damaging information about Mr. Trump related to the search will eventually become public.”
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Taegan Goddard speculates that this would be
"An explanation for why Fox & Friends changed their tune this morning."
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Well now THAT'S interesting.
Can anybody tell us just HOW Fox & Friends "changed their tune this morning" ?
;-)
Reverend...
The underlying issue was that certain documents were boxed up with other personal belongings. There is no evidence that anything was done maliciously by anyone.
Moreover...
You really don't seem to understand that the fact that Trump had been previously subpoenaed, allowed the Archives and FBI to search his residence cooperatively prior...
Is the main reasoning for NOT ordering a raid.
You would have to believe that he would not have let them back in after letting them in the first time, agreeing to further secure the area where the boxes were, and basically agreeing that they could come back again.
So if he was cooperating and was not doing anything to prevent them from coming back again cooperatively...
Then why the need for 30 armed agents?
oh... and btw... the fact that the source supposed claimed there was stuff in Trump's personal safe, only to find out nothing was in there should be the first clue that their source was not a good source or one worthy of a 30 agent armed raid.
Man... even prominent Democrats are upset over this.
Other countries are ACCURATELY describing how if "they" had done this to a political opponent that the US and everyone else would have called them out over it.
Sad when third world countries with dictatorships can justifiably call out the Biden administration on their hypocrisy.
Scott he knew about it long before he went crazy.
He knew
Two months before his Florida home was raided by the FBI, former President Donald Trump secretly received a grand jury subpoena for classified documents belonging to the National Archives, and voluntarily cooperated by turning over responsive evidence, surrendering security surveillance footage and allowing federal agents and a senior Justice Department lawyer to tour his private storage locker, according to a half dozen people familiar with the incident.
Trump announced the raid on Monday. In a lengthy statement, he accused the Justice Department and the FBI of "prosecutorial misconduct" and "political persecution," adding: "They even broke into my safe!"
It was initially unclear what the search warrant related to, but ABC News later cited sources saying it was related to 15 boxes of documents that Trump had taken to Mar-a-Lago upon leaving office. He returned them to the archives in January after being told to give them back, but the agency asked the Justice Department in February to investigate if Trump broke the law when he initially moved the documents.
Bobb told The Washington Post that the search warrant, which has not been publicly released, indicated that investigators are examining if there were any violations of laws around classified materials.
Gene Rossi, a longtime former federal prosecutor, also told Insider this week that he would be "shocked" if the affidavit supporting the warrant didn't include probable cause suggesting Trump violated other laws including statutes against obstruction, insurrection, sedition, and more.
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He knew they had probable cause.
Why didn't he say that months ago
I read it earlier
James, I was hoping better from you.
Darn shame.
Biden/Garland has not allowed We the People to see the Raid warrant nor the itemized list of items seized.
Delete that. I see it appeared.
Because he knew in advance that he might have destroyed evidence, and if they could prove that he had destroyed evidence that they knew he had , then could charge him for destruction of evidence.
The only real justification for a raid would be that they had evidence that Trump was destroying something, that he was not going to be willing to cooperate with a subpoena.
That would be the ONLY justification...
Given they had already brought 15 boxes of stuff back to the Archives during a cooperative search based on a simple subpoena.
He was cooperating. Period.
And no... despite the idiot droning of fake legal Trump hating analysts the fact that he might have had classified documents in his possession would not be a crime. It would only be a crime if they could prove he intended to do so and that he was malicious in that intent (in other words, he was planning on selling it to the Russians or Chinese or something).
We got that lesson from the Hillary Clinton investigation... furthermore she had to also get passed the "negligence" portion of it since she did expose classified materials through that server and through her use of an unsecured blackberry.
Possible hard copies of classified documents sitting in Donald Trump's residences in a locked storage locker that the FBI was already aware of... is not something that qualifies as negligence or a danger.
CH SAID:
The underlying issue was that certain documents were boxed up with other personal belongings. There is no evidence that anything was done maliciously by anyone.
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Well, we'll just have to see what the underlying issue really is. Seems to me it involves an insider who blew the whistle on stuff Trump was still wanting to keep hidden.
It that's the case, it should become clear as time goes on.
They figured him out
Scott the search warrant, which has not been publicly released, indicated that investigators are examining if there were any violations of laws around classified materials.
If he had violated the law around classified materials, the law he provided would help convicted him.
The irony is good 👍 news
Oh boy.
I just saw this:
Merrick Garland to Speak About FBI Search
August 11, 2022 at 2:17 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 41 Comments
Attoney General Merrick Garland is set to deliver a statement to the media this afternoon on the FBI search of Donald Trump’s home at Mar-a-Lago.
Scott.
I like the new format here.
For the reason you stated.
"Man oh man... you are like a fucking child who needs everything explained to you in small simple words. The least intelligent person I have dealt with."
I wonder Roger...
If these same people were shocked when they found out that the FBI and CIA had determined that all of the evidence provided in affidavits to garner warrants against Trump back in 2016....
had been debunked by their own analysts PRIOR to them using them as evidence to ask for warrants?
If you think "malicious intent" does not include trying to keep documents hidden from the FBI, the Justice Department, the American people, and from future historians, you have bats in your belfry.
President Joe Failure can't see his recession/stagflation.
"Compared with a year ago, consumer food prices are up 15.8 percent, the highest year-to-year rate of inflation since 1974."
Tell me again how MAGA isn't winning. If the sun were really setting on MAGA, would the left and its servants in the Deep State be acting like this? Desperation is never a sign of strength or confidence!
One thing is certain: Merrick Garland just took a sledgehammer to Pandora's box. I suspect we'll learn what the contents are in a few months. I'm guessing that Pandora has a better Election Day surprise for conservatives than liberals, but we'll see.
We live in interesting times. Our generation will be witness to either the rebirth or the death of a great nation. The way it goes depends on us.
Hey Roger...
Your last comment was literally my last post! I am done having you repeat everything ten times like people need to see it again and again. Just give us an opinion now and again that does not have to do with your belief that "I" am the one we should all feel sorry for.
Bottom line:
Please read the blog if you want to comment on it.
If you think "malicious intent" does not include trying to keep documents hidden from the FBI, the Justice Department, the American people, and from future historians, you have bats in your belfry.
Trump let them search the boxes, they took 15 boxes worth of stuff. He agreed to lock up the remaining stuff (the secret service put on new locks) in the storage unit AND offered the FBI the surveillance feed.
Explain to me how that is trying to keep anything "hidden".
The FBI knew where these boxes were. They had previously searched them.
Bats in the belfray?
Consider your own belfray Reverend.
But you know what...
This has been explained multiple times on these thread and you are just like Roger. You pretend like it hasn't been?
I swear you simply do not read anything that anyone else writes and you just come here to cut and paste over everything to disrupt things.
Garland said that he approved the warrant and defend the brave FBI agents
Anonymous Caliphate4vr said...
Roger did you read cold’s post, if so, you obviously didn’t comprehend it?
He's an imbecile, and a mentally ill imbecile at that.
By the way, I see the copy/paste/plagiarisms are still making it past the comment moderation.
Garland was clever to say that the warrant and itemized list would be made public... but he did not tell us that the "sealed affidavit" was going to be made public.
The "only" thing that really matters is the "sealed affidavit".
I suspect that this will satisfy nobody.... and we will hear nothing more till after the midterms.
Garland spoke, very, bery briefly, and GAVE THE LIE to your thread article which earlier implied that he had not approved the raid, which you never corrected..
Let me repeat: gave the lie to your implication that Garland had not approved the raid.
Now I fully expect you to say I did not understand what you implied and never corrected.
No matter how directly you are shown to be wrong, you always claim not to be wrong.
We are all wrong at times.
Rat
Will let an occasional cut and paste through if it is new and relevant. But still amazed at how often the same cut and pastes are added to the comment moderation...
Like Roger literally creating a comment under this thread that was the exact same block quote I had from the previous post.
Roger is getting about 5% of his comments through moderation. That should tell you all you need to know.
Reverend...
I was just passing along what I saw...
and my thread was aptly named "opps" with a question mark, since it was just an unnamed source.
But it is just more proof that you cannot trust any unnamed source, huh?
Which is why I take 99% of what is put out there with a grain of salt.
You will notice that I made no "Personal" comments on whether I believed that headline to be true or false.
How many times have you added comments believing something from Goddard was true when it turned out to be spectacularly wrong?
All that being said Reverend...
Do you believe that if this raid did take place without Garland's approval that he would actually get up there and admit as much? That would make him look like quite the fool, huh?
But they appear to be still claiming that the President was unaware of it. As if this was above his pay grade.
LOL Biden was not aware of it. The entire White House was taken by surprise.
You can't rewrite history, Ch.
I suspect that they will reduce calling him corrupt because he releases the warrant.
Scott doesn't believe him for this
He said he personally approved the search warrant and “the department does not take such a decision lightly.”
Roger is getting about 5% of his comments through moderation. That should tell you all you need to know.
In the words of the great Daniel Tosh:
"And for that I thank you."
Pure guessing.
"Scott the search warrant, which has not been publicly released, indicated... "
James , so Biden/Garland will, at an unspecified time and date release the warrant and the itemized list of property seized.
“Let me address recent unfounded attacks on the professionalism of the FBI and Justice Department agents and prosecutors. I will not stand by silently when their integrity is unfairly attacked. The men and women of the FBI and the Justice Department are dedicated patriotic public servants,”
KD.
Every Day as a former LEO I thank God that ass 🤡 Garland never got that USSC Seat.
James, did AG Garland take Questions ?
He works for WE the People.
Garland just wanted to put the lie to the rightwing claim that he had not approved the raid and knew nothing about it.
That lie took off because, unlike Trump who wanted others to put loyalty to him above loyalty to the Constitution and the laws, Garland largely keeps silent BECAUSE he is completely committed to the independence of the Justice Department and the FBI as they seek to follow the Constituion and the laws above all else.
If ANYone in the White House had not been completely taken by surprise, do you think that could be covered up?
KD.
Scott , as a experiment put up an open topic thread (* no post review( and let's see how well James and Roger can control themselves.
Hey again....
Did he say he was releasing the sealed affidavit?
Or just the warrant which will not provide the underlying reasons provided to the Judge?
Just curious...
I mean are people that stupid?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
KD.
1.4 million Americans have taken a 2nd Full time job since Bidenomics struck.
EVEN SADDER YOU CAN'T FIND 1 !!!!!!!!!! LOL
Did he say he was releasing the sealed affidavit?
WHICH VERY WELL COULD DISPARAGE TRUMP AND EMBARRASS HIM???? That's what you want?????? LOLOLOLOLO. Are you really that inane Scotty????
The men and women of the FBI and the Justice Department are dedicated patriotic public servants,”
"The men and women of the FBI and the Justice Department are corrupt pieces of shit."
Fixed it for you alky.
The Next President Must Prioritize Destroying the Deep State |
If the delegating of that broad legislative authority were not unconstitutional, then the devising and implementing of policy that impacts virtually every aspect of our lives by bureaucrats is almost certainly unconstitutional. Welcome to the fourth branch of government. As such, the existential threat to the republic is that America is no longer governed by elected officials, but rather by the Deep State—an entity of literally unmeasurable proportions that is almost entirely unresponsive to the will of the people.
Let's begin with simple math. The federal bureaucracy consists of well over two million civil servants. Once in office, a successful presidential candidate has the opportunity to fill roughly 4,000 "political" appointments, as detailed in The Plum Book. That means a president's picks represent just about 0.002% of the total number of federal public servants at any given moment. For Democratic presidents, this isn't a problem because the civil service leans markedly left. For Republican presidents, however, 4,000 political appointments are a drop in an ocean—one in which basically every square inch is filled with either a bloodthirsty shark or razor-sharp coral that impedes nearly all movement.
Conservatives have thus long fallen for a progressive trap—an emphasis upon top-down, centralized power—by placing such tremendous weight on capturing the presidency. Seeking the White House is very much a worthwhile pursuit for the Left. But without a clear plan, it is increasingly a fool's errand for the Right.
The American civil service was formally established with the Pendleton Act of 1883. The people responsible for its creation—and, even more so, who ensured its expansion—were progressives obsessed with "rationalism." They were also, in turn, deeply opposed to popular government. The governance of a great nation, they believed, was a duty too important to be left to uninformed and impulsive citizens. It instead ought to be the task of "professionals" capable of weathering the storms of elections and other messy democratic processes. Only today, the members of that permanent class are beholden to someone else: other elites in think tanks, lobbying firms, and academia.
The civil service explicitly sought to annihilate the "spoils system," and it wildly succeeded—to the detriment of representative democracy. But if to the victor the spoils do not belong, then what's the point of an election? That is the crucial question.
President Trump is right: The only solution for genuine, lasting change is for Congress to reassume its constitutional duties. Congress alone controls the purse, and, therefore, has the sole capacity to starve the Deep State. That's obviously a generational undertaking, so we must also consider a complementary near-term strategy.
First, the next Republican president needs to grasp that winning the election means almost nothing, in terms of change. He must be ready to bust out the wrecking ball on Day 1. He needs to reimplement Schedule F and arm himself with a comprehensive playbook, filled with executive orders and innovative legal strategies. That, short of Congress rediscovering and embracing its proper role in our constitutional structure, is the best shot we have at returning the power to the people not only quickly, but also in a principled manner.
The truth is that there can be no restoration without revolution. If the next Republican president truly desires a return to the principles of the American Founding, he must be oriented toward disruption rather than business as usual. That person must be in favor of the spoils system, the one and only constitutional system of governance, rather than our current extra-constitutional system of technocratic rule.
To be clear, there is room for career civil servants in non-policymaking roles (e.g., mail carriers and meteorologists). Yet the tens of thousands of civil servants who devise and implement policy—those acting as all-powerful legislators—must either be forced out or made answerable to the commander-in-chief, who is, after all, the head of the executive branch. The executive branch was not designed to be a check and a balance against itself.
So, if like the vast majority of your fellow citizens you're sick and tired of inflation and high gas and grocery prices, the beginning of the fix isn't voting out your representatives in Congress. Rather, it's supporting a presidential candidate who will, from the outset of his administration, eliminate the large swaths of the federal bureaucracy that reign over our national affairs and constantly muck things up from behind the curtain without consequence.
Biden/Garland haven't released the Warrant / Affidavit, nor the return , which gives an itemized list of all items seized.
What a coward , so the FBI is shaking in thier collective silk panties.
Time to stop being victims , lordie.
Well Denny...
It if would embarrass Trump...
Then why wouldn't they release it?
One has to assume it would embarrass someone?
If they refuse to release... I can guess who it embarrasses!
Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...
Garland just wanted to put the lie to the rightwing claim that he had not approved the raid and knew nothing about it.
good to see Newsweek who broke that is now considered right-wing
or more likely the POS "pastor" is still actively lying
I want to thank Dopie for confirming.
1.4 million Americans have taken a 2nd Full time job since Bidenomics struck.
The scam in the Day Light.
Former White House COVID response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx said she "knew" that COVID-19 vaccines "were not going to protect against infection"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I want to thank Dopie for confirming.
bwaaaaaaaaa!!!!! AND YOU CAN'T FIND ONE!!!!! Lets see if Scotty is man enough to post this!!!!
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