Why can Joe Biden take classified documents to his private residence?
The other day while taking a few unscripted questions the President first mocked the concept that he had authority to declassify things, but then admitted that he often takes classified documents to his private residence. He suggested this was okay because "HE" had secret service with him and that "HE" had a "Secure office" at his residence where he worked on Presidential issues that involved classified documents?
Ironically in spite of all the buzz about Trump breaking the law, Presidents taking classified documents outside of the White House has been going on for as long as we have had Presidents and classified documents. What makes it okay for Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama and now Biden to take classified documents to their homes, when the Biden DOJ is suggesting that Trump doing that same thing is a crime? Keeping in mind, that he was still President when these documents were brought to his home?
There is no reason that Biden's residence in Delaware or Obama's residence in Chicago are or were anymore secure than Mar-a-Lago. As a former President, Trump still has secret service service surrounding him. In fact, it was secret service who added extra security around the Presidential records that remained in Mar-a-Lago.
There is no reason that Biden's residence in Delaware or Obama's residence in Chicago are or were anymore secure than Mar-a-Lago. As a former President, Trump still has secret service service surrounding him. In fact, it was secret service who added extra security around the Presidential records that remained in Mar-a-Lago.
There is nothing in any laws that states a President can "temporarily" declassify a document to take home, but cannot keep it there. Once he has declassified it to have it brought to his residence, then it no longer falls under the laws of classified documents (because it is no longer classified). Last time I checked these documents are not golden chariots made out of a pumpkin. They do not turn back into classified documents at the stroke of midnight.
Moreover, there is no real tangible evidence that our Secret Service is any less capable of keeping Mar-a-Lago secure than they would be keeping the private residence of Joe Biden secure? Does anyone "really" believe that the Russians or the Iranians or the Chinese are breaking into Mar-a-Lago and rummaging through a Secret Service secured storage area?
The more we know.... the more questions there are.
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Biden was referring to his residence in the White House, not in Delaware.
His residence on government property, in other words, not on private property.
Please link us to any link saying what you are saying, Ch.
This democrat double standard for everything will eventually cause another civil war.
And why don't you answer this?
Ch, keep defending Trump who after failing to turn over requested documents that he should never have taken to his home in the first place, then lied to the FBI that he had turned them all over when he had not.
Biden was referring to his residence in the White House, not in Delaware.
The reporter was not asking if he took documents to the residential wing of the White House, Reverend. The reporter was asking if he took documents to his "private residence" (as Trump did by taking them to Mar-a-Lago).
Why would a reporter ask him if he took things to a different wing of the White House (which is still in the same secured building) when the issue at hand is documents leaving the White House and moving them to a private residence.
Can you answer that Reverend?
Blogger Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...
Biden was referring to his residence in the White House, not in Delaware.
Really pedo
Q Mr. President, in simple terms, is it ever appropriate for a President to take home with them classified and top secret documents?
THE PRESIDENT: Depending on the circumstance. For example, I have, in my home, a cabined-off space that is completely secure. I’m taking home with me today today’s PDB. It’s locked. I have a person with me — military with me. I read it, I lock it back up, and give it to the military.
So he’s taking Marine One from one side of the White House to another part of the White House
Idiot!
KD
The Roger Ran Blog is him putting up a thread and then he responds to it.
Talking to himself.
Funny as F*ck.
Give us the video of that, Ch.
I don't believe the word "private" is there.
But here is the real question?
Why would the President (with the highest level of security in the country) be handing off his classified documents to members of the military?
And this totally bypasses the underlying question. The President cannot possibly make every area that a classified document goes through to get from the White House to his "highly secured private office" as a secured area for classified documents.
Which means that the only other way to avoid breaking the law...
is declassifying the documents.
I stand corrected.
So Biden is actually saying that he takes extraordinary care to make sure that any documents he takes with him to Delaware will be well protected both when they are taken and when they are returned.
He is certainly not saying he is taking them there to store or leave them there, as Trump did at Mar-A-Lago.
And Trump later claimed to have turned them all over to the FBI when he had not, as the court-countenanced raid made clear.
So Biden is actually saying that he takes extraordinary care to make sure that any documents he takes with him to Delaware will be well protected both when they are taken and when they are returned.
You don't score legal points for being careful!
Biden is doing what is perfectly legal for every President to do. His "secure" location is no more secure than Trump's Mar-a-Lago, Obama's Chicago residence, Bush's Texas Ranch, etc... In all cases the Presidents have Secret Service and such with them.
Even EX-Presidents have Secret Service... and it was the Secret Service that secured the room in Mar-a-Lago where these documents are stored.
and no, Reverend.... again.
The President MUST declassify the documents to take them out of the White House. There is nothing in the laws that allows them to take "classified" documents with them. Which is why so many Presidents have laid out their own sets of rule (through executive actions) as to how their declassification works.
Now they certainly declassify them...
Then bring them back and classify them again...
But they are NOT automatically reclassified at any point in time and a President is not "required" to do so.
Again... there seems to be a confusion as to what a President can do and what some people believe that they "should" do. There is a pretty good argument that Trump should not have taken these documents and should not have declassified them and should not have held them.
But that is different than arguing that he "cannot" do so.
The rest of Biden's Q & A, which Cali strangely omitted, in bold below:
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Q Mr. President, in simple terms, is it ever appropriate for a President to take home with them classified and top secret documents?
THE PRESIDENT: Depending on the circumstance. For example, I have, in my home, a cabined-off space that is completely secure. I’m taking home with me today today’s PDB. It’s locked. I have a person with me — military with me. I read it, I lock it back up, and give it to the military.
Q Without a specialized area in which you can declassify documents, is it ever appropriate for a president to bring classified and top secret documents home with them?
THE PRESIDENT: It depends on the document, and it depends on how secure the room is. Thank you.
Reverend...
Do you have any evidence that Biden's home in Delaware is more secure than Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate? Enough evidence to say Trump is the only President who should not have been allowed to do what other Presidents were doing?
I believe, Ch, that ample evidence is emerging that the storage areas at Mar-A-Lago were FAR from secure.
And why did Trump lie about having returned all the requested documents when he still had possession of classified, top secret, and even top secret-to-the-highest-degree documents?
I call to your attention, CH:
The affidavit said the agency believed there was likely still classified material at Mar-A-Lago, and noted agents did not believe any space at Mar-A-Lago has been authorized as secure to store classified information since Trump left office.
I believe, Ch, that ample evidence is emerging that the storage areas at Mar-A-Lago were FAR from secure.
We have seen no evidence that they are any less secure than any other Presidential residence. Moreover, if the documents being held there were declassified then it would not matter.
As people have repeated shown (and liberals ignored) Barack Obama's own executive order on declassification exempted not just himself but the Vice President from having to go through any processes. That is an executive order that I have copied and linked here in posts.
In other words, according to Obama (a constitutional law professor and President of the United States at the time) neither the President or Vice President had to follow any specific procedures to declassify a document or documents).
But it all goes back to what I constantly suggest.
Liberals never viewed Trump as a legitimate President and have always expected him to play by different rules and to (for some ungodly on illogical reasoning) to answer to the bureaucracy rather than the other way around.
I call to your attention, CH:
The affidavit said the agency believed there was likely still classified material at Mar-A-Lago, and noted agents did not believe any space at Mar-A-Lago has been authorized as secure to store classified information since Trump left office.
Well Reverend...
Since when do FBI agents have authority to make that determination? If Mar-a-Lago was considered secure and he had documents there when he was President, then what suddenly unsecured when he leaves. He still has the same personal security and ex-Presidents have secret service (who worked with the FBI to secure the storage area according to many documents).
Which is all sort of irrelevant if the documents were declassified anyways.
Moreover... I still believe this is a difference between what people believe the former President "should have done" rather than what he was legally able to do.
Ch, one reason the judge approved the FBI raid was given in the affidavit, namely, that agents did not believe any space at Mar-A-Lago has been authorized as secure to store classified information since Trump left office.
Neither you nor Trump can wiggle out of this.
Here is another question...
When the FBI came to Mar-a-Lago in January and took documents with them. Why were they willing to leave the rest there and why did they work with the Secret Service to install new locks and surveillance if they felt that the arrangement was some national security concern?
Also... if this was an illegal arrangement. Why did they not arrest him and charge him back in January over the first 150 documents that had classified markings?
Just curious if you have any sort of answer to that?
My answer?
The raid was conveniently timed to be one day before their own moratorium on political actions before an election. They are not supposed to make any moves within 90 days of the election.
After taking documents in Jan - further securing the location. Letting it sit for six months. They started thinking about another warrant, they secured it, then still waited....
Until 91 days before the election?
Do you believe that was a coincidence?
DisHonest, indecent, untruthfuland ignorant Rev. said...
Biden was referring to his residence in the White House, not in Delaware.
His residence on government property, in other words, not on private property.
I see some things never change
well he finally admitted he was "wrong"
not a "lie" because in his heart he was right
Even if he knew while saying it he really didn't know, just acted like he did.
Guess we now understand why Biden was spending all that money recently to put a fence around his Delaware residence, was way less secure than Mar-a-Lago
Guess he figured no one would notice
ROFLMFO !!!
Biden Crime Family
Banana Republic
Reverend...
I believe that a Special Master reviewing this material is a huge blow to the DOJ and FBI here if people like McCarthy and others are correct about the underlying inspiration for the raid.
If (as most people suspect) they do not want to charge Trump for mishandling documents or "espionage" as it were... and if they did want to charge him then they certainly "could have" back in January when they first recovered documents marked as "classified".
Then their real intention was to gather as much as they could in order to "find" something else... possibly in relations to the Jan 6th investigation.
But if the warrant was about gathering documents with classified information and a Special Master gets serious about this, then most everything else they gathered will have to be either given back (or at the very least the FBI would not be allowed access or use to it).
It seems like McCarthy's logic is reinforced by the DOJ pushing back so hard in the idea of a Special Master (which would in fact prevent them from just using the raid as a larger fishing exhibition).
When one says, I stand corrected, one is admitting he was wrong.
When did any of you ever do that?
There are those saying the special master could work against Trump, not for Trump.
Even if there may have been some political motivation in what the FBI did, if Trump broke the law, Trump broke the law.
The investigaion of Nixon certainly started out politically motivated, but finally even the Republicans were politically demanding that Nixon be removed or be impeached and found guilty, and removed from office.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/26/politics/trump-special-master-request-mar-a-lago-doj-search/index.html
This is from yesterday, but seems to me Trump's request is hitting some heavy sledding.
Could you link us to DOJ opposition to a special master? So far I see mostly "no comment."
Reverend...
It is literally impossible for a Special Master to work "against" Trump.
Right now the FBI has nobody telling them what they can and cannot look at and the only direction a Special Master can go is to restrict (which works against the FBI). Trump (and most every reasonable person in America) called for this
Did someone (anyone) really make this suggestion?
DisHonest, indecent, untruthful and ignorant Rev. said...
There are those saying the special master could work against Trump, not for Trump.
C.H. Truth said...
Reverend...
It is literally impossible for a Special Master to work "against" Trump.
Did someone (anyone) really make this suggestion?
looks like the "pastor" lied again
well at least he is consistent
ROFLMFAO !!!
Apparently the Judge herself has doubts:
Cannon, a Trump appointee, was not alone in finding that the original Monday motion lacked certain legal elements one would expect with a request like the one the Trump was making.
Several legal experts questioned the seriousness of Trump's effort in court after Monday's initial filing.
For one, Trump waited two weeks after the August 8 Mar-a-Lago search was executed to formally ask a court to step in. And his Monday filing lacked the kind of motion -- such as a preliminary injunction motion or a temporary restraining order request -- that would prompt quick action from the court.
The discussion of Trump's legal arguments for why the judge had the authority to grant his request was thin. Much of the Monday filing instead was filled with politically charged rhetoric. Among other things, the Monday complaint boasted about Trump's 2024 polling numbers, rehashed his gripes with the FBI's 2020 Trump-Russia probe, and repeated the full text of a "message" Trump supposedly sought to deliver through his lawyers to Attorney General Merrick Garland about "angry" mood the country was in after the raid.
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Politically charged rhetoric doesn't go well before a judge.
IOW, if Trump's arguments are all shot down, it will hurt him.
The judge has already issued a ruling providing her "intent" to appoint a Special Master... which there is literally no good argument against. Almost every legal expert suggested that the DOJ should have appointed one on their own.
The fact that Trump has to ask the DOJ (and was denied) and then had to take it to a Judge to get an order... well that suggests that the DOJ has something to hide here.
well that suggests that the DOJ has something to hide here.
BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! And I suggest you are full of shit again......just like the judge is a trump appointee....sad that everything trump touches is corrupt!!!!!!! BTW ,,,,,,Trump's MO if you haven't figured out yet is to delay obfuscate and sue everyone for his who life....His thief daddy taught him well!!!!
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