Monday’s unannounced Federal Bureau of Investigation search of Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home isn’t a moment for anyone to cheer. The Justice Department is unleashing political furies it can’t control and may not understand, and the risks for the department and the country are as great as they are for Mr. Trump.
The WSJ is no friend to Donald Trump, but even they understand the dire nature of what just happened. Oddly, there are many people who do openly cheer. These are people who couldn't give a bigger rip about the rule of law, equal handling of justice, or anything other than their own personal hatred of the bad orange man.
As everyone knows by now, an FBI law-enforcement action of this kind against a former American President is unprecedented. Monday’s search needed a judicial warrant in service of probable cause in a criminal probe. The Justice Department has provided few details beyond what has been leaked to reporters, so it is hard to judge what the FBI was looking for.
The media leaks say the search is related to potential mishandling of classified documents or violations of the Presidential Records Act. If that is true, then the raid looks like prosecutorial overkill and a bad mistake. Document disputes are typically settled in negotiation, and that is how Mr. Trump’s disagreement with the National Archives had been proceeding.
FBI and DOJ overreach against Trump and his allies have been going on non-stop. Remember that two year hoax of a Russian Collusion investigation based on opposition research that was found to be completely lacking in ANY merit by the FBI and CIA analysts? How many times have Biden political opponents been arrested in raids, had items seized without first asking via a subpoena. We are up to three Republican lawmakers who have had their phones physically taken without any previous warning by the Gestapo police state.
Mr. Trump has already returned 15 boxes of documents, but the National Archives wants to know if the former President retained classified material he shouldn’t have. This is what appears to have triggered the FBI search, but it’s far from clear why this couldn’t be settled cooperatively, or at most with a subpoena.
Didn’t someone at Justice point out that a search in this case would draw comparisons to Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of classified information before her 2016 presidential campaign? She was never prosecuted, as Mr. Trump was quick to point out. Unless Mr. Trump’s offense involves a serious risk to national security, half of America may see the Trump search as an example of unequal justice.
I am quite certain that they understood the comparisons would be made. I am also quite certain that they would not care one little bit. They are scared to death the Trump will become the nominee and win the 2024 election on a platform that will include completely revamping the entire FBI and firing people from the top down.
Oddly, liberals somehow believe that overhauling a runaway FBI whom has become a political arm of the Democratic Party and now the personal SS of the Biden Administration is some form of dictatorship. But the general public at this point agrees with the assessment that our FBI and DOJ has become politicized. To the degree that they double down in the face of such widespread criticism from everyone is just proof that they will do whatever they can to stop Trump from doing what the people want.
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some people are sooooo stupid that they believe that a dispute between a President and the National Archives....
Could be a violation of the "espionage act"
I mean... seriously! You cannot make this shit up!
People WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING!!!!
Sorry sport.....but the Fed's have a ton of data to get this search going. Now toss in Trump taking the fifth in NY just adds another nail to his coffin of corruption......There is a big there there and we will all find out in due time as more is released to the US voters!!!!! BTW,,,,,the FBI is not running amok as you claim, they are doing their job and your boy is the target which is deserved since the law to trump is for everyone else.......LOLOLOLOLOLO
Alan Dershowitz is appalled.
He is a Liberal, voted for Biden.
Alan Dershowitz said this is an affront to the US Constitution πΊπΈ and the rule of Law.
Sorry Ace...
But they have been investigating Trump for over 6 years now...
How many crimes has he been charged with!
Zero?
Oh yeah, that would be correct!
Wouldn't it be correct champ?
The reluctant Biden Team
.
They did not know, purposely keeper in the Dark.
This President is Attacking the US Constitution on multiple fronts.
We The People so far are not giving the Socialist Democrats the shooting Civil War they crave.
Unfortunately you have become a fascist.
If Trump or DeSantis are elected, they will dismantle the Department of Justice and the FBI.
Bill Barr refused to do the same thing. Because he swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.
Eric Trump revealed FBI agents refused to hand over the search warrant for their raid on Mar-a-Lago and kicked an attorney off the property in a new, incisive account of the Monday operation at the Florida estate.
Speaking exclusively to DailyMail.com, the former president’s son said the 30 agents who arrived at the property asked staff to turn security cameras off – but they refused.
The bureau, he said, also brought safe crackers in to break into his father’s safe, and he slammed the investigators for rummaging through former first lady Melania’s wardrobe and searching her clothing.
What kind of search warrant allows the FBI to rummage through someone's wardrobe?
Answer: One hat the FBI REFUSED to provide to the people they were searching?
This get even worse and worse and worse.
But they have been investigating Trump for over 6 years now...
AND IT HAS SHOWN HIM TO BE AN AMORAL THIEF AND LIAR.....REPENT SCOTTY.......HIS END IS NEAR!!!!!!! And you will hang onto his fat ass until he is tossed aside!!!! Ever wonder without bias why trump has been soooo heavily investigated or will you just bury you head again.....Bankruptcies poor business management....not paying workers are just the tip of trumps indiscretions.....paying off hookers and doing them while melodourus was birthing Baron should be revealing about his moral compass!!!!
The subpoena was issued because they had evidence that classified materials were being unlawfully and improperly kept at the Mar-a-Lago resort.
A judge allowed the subpoena Scott.
The unprecedented raid of a former president’s home by FBI agents was the culmination of an extended battle between Trump and his open contempt for the Presidential Records Act of 1978 requiring the preservation of official documents, and officials charged with enforcing that law.
If they indict him for one of the two laws, and convict him he would go to jail for three years.
I didn't like Bill Barr when he was in office but he refused to do what you wished he had done because he might be the President today.
What I find most amusing...
Is even after it has been shown that the warrant was signed by a Democrat hack of a judge (one not even appointed or confirmed) and that these low level judges are simply a rubber stamp for whatever the FBI wants to do...
Some idiots STILL BELIEVE that you need strong evidence of a serious crime to get a warrant. I guess it must be a pretty big crime if you have FBI agents sniffing around Melania Trump's underwear and shoes.
I wonder why they kicked the attorney off the grounds, asked that the security cameras be shut down, and REFUSED to offer the warrant?
Any good ideas other than they now see themselves as above the law?
This is pure biased news
Then there is the fraught history between Mr. Trump and the FBI and Justice. The Russia collusion probe was a fiasco of FBI abuse of process and public deception. Current FBI director Christopher Wray was Mr. Trump’s choice to succeed the disastrous James Comey, but the bureau still has a serious credibility problem.
That the Mar-a-Lago raid occurred only about 90 days from a national election also increases the political suspicion. Democrats want to keep Mr. Trump front and center in the midterm campaign, which is why the Jan. 6 committee is continuing into the autumn.
Hey Roger...
How many warrants did Bill Barr sign to confiscate Democrat's Cell phones and how any 30 FBI agents with guns did he authorize to raid an ex-Presidents home so that agents could rifle through underwear and break open personal safes...
All over a dispute between the ex-President and the National Archives?
Nope... Bill Barr would have done what EVERY OTHER AG did under circumstances where there was a dispute between Presidents and the Archives... address it civilly and with subpoenas (not warrants for raids).
Did you know that the actual Presidential Act that keeps being tossed around has never had a criminal charge associated with it? Only civil charges have ever been brought and they were never more than a fine.
Till the bad orange man...
and then instead of a subpoena and possibly a fine (because that is the law) we get 30 agents with guns swooping in, removing the family attorney, and turning a house upside down WITHOUT presenting the warrant?
And you applaud
btw... you told me last night you were done?
What are you even doing here?
Impulse control issues again?
Or are you just insane?
Impulse control issues again?
Or are you just insane?
Embrace the power of “AND”
Scott a CI got Garland to subpoena
“The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents,” Newsweek reports.
You really believe that the judge issued the subpoena because he hates Trump.
In order to get a warrant to search someone’s property, the Justice Department has to make an application to a federal judge that demonstrates that there is probable cause to believe that evidence of one or more crimes is on the premises.
I'm hoping to get you to think for yourself.
No Roger...
I believe (as everyone with any sense does) that these low level judge sign off on pretty much "every warrant"... it proves nothing.
Oh and as far as we know... the warrant was not provided to the Trumps prior to their search.
Oh and Roger.
I asked you a question about Bill Barr.
Care to answer it?
I suggest you do...
I will wait for an answer and ignore everything else you post until I get one.
Even today Roger...
Every single subject you are posting two or three comments with the same basic thought. Like you commented and then forgot minutes later that you already commented on that.
So give me an answer on the Bill Barr question.
Or any previous AGs?
Give me a list of all the AGs who approved raiding a past President's private residence, rifling through the former first lady's underwear drawers, all over an unsettled dispute with the National Archives where both sides have been cooperating.
Also a list of AGs who have approved seizing cell phones from opposition elected congress members without first subpoenaing them or even providing a reason.
Any list will do....
I will patiently wait Roger.
Until I get that answer, I will ignore the rest from you!
Ch, you said,
and then instead of a subpoena and possibly a fine (because that is the law) we get 30 agents with guns swooping in, removing the family attorney, and turning a house upside down WITHOUT presenting the warrant?
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MSNBC:
After Mar-a-Lago search, Trump is being challenged to ‘release the warrant’
Donald Trump could, in theory, voluntarily release the FBI search warrant used at Mar-a-Lago. Some are challenging him to do exactly that.
Neal Katyal, the former acting solicitor general in the Obama administration, is aware of the Republican pushback against the search warrant executed at Mar-a-Lago. On MSNBC today, the Supreme Court lawyer responded with a challenge to the former president:
“Donald Trump, you have a copy of the warrant. It explains what they were looking for, what statutes they think were violated, and what judge signed off on that. Release the warrant. You called on [Barack] Obama to release the birth certificate and all sorts of nonsense. If you believe this is such an abuse, let us see the warrant and let us decide for ourselves.”
“The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents,” Newsweek reports.
I suppose that exact location was why the FBI agents were sniffing around Melania's shoes? Trump scrunched up top secret classified documents and put them in her shoes?
Again... they could have subpoenaed that information. As any reasonable DOJ and FBI would do. You don't need 30 agents with guns to locate paper. \
So stop justifying it.
Justify if with other similar examples?
Literally everything that can be justified can be done so with precedent. As in this is the way the FBI has always handled supposed issues with classified information.
Compare it to how they handled Hillary?
Find me a previous example.
otherwise this was unprecedented - which by itself is horrifying.
Hey Reverend...
Are you sure Donald Trump has a copy of the warrant?
According to many other media reports, the FBI kicked the Trump lawyer off the property and refused to provide a copy of the warrant to Eric Trump.
The FBI does not have to "give" a copy... they only have to show the warrant to someone. Eric Trump asked for a copy of the warrant and said he was denied a copy.
So are you SURE you have your story straight here?
Are you SURE you have your story straaight here?
ANSWER:
Neal Katyal, the former acting solicitor general in the Obama administration, seems quite sure of what he says at 11:44 above.
UH OH. IS THIS WHY TRUMP IS STAYING MUM?
An Informant Told the FBI What Trump Was Hiding
“The raid on Mar-a-Lago was based largely on information from an FBI confidential human source, one who was able to identify what classified documents former President Trump was still hiding and even the location of those documents,” Newsweek reports.
Well Reverend...
That sounds to me like someone is just assuming Trump received a copy. Yet Trump was 1000 miles away. Obviously HE was not given a copy as they were raiding. His attorney was kicked off the property. Obviously THE ATTORNEY was not given a copy.
Eric Trump has told media sources that he specifically asked for a copy, but was refused.
According to your rock solid source, Reverend.
At exactly what point was that copy provided to Trump?
Just curious...
because not everyone just "believes" everything they read. Especially when it is some Obama solicitor general providing little more than a 10,000 view opinion. Was that solicitor general there? Did they see the FBI provide a "copy" of the warrant to anyone?
Besides... as "real" legal experts have pointed out. THe warrants usually don't tell us anything. It is the "application" for the warrant that does. this is what many in the media and many Americans are calling for.
All I can say is that they better have something enormous off from this. Some smoking gun proof that far exceeds just having something classified (because as James Comey explained, that is not a crime).
Or the FBI will go the way of the media and about 10% of the country (the idiots) will trust them.
I guess if Trump's attornies had copies they could have faxed him copies.
But this just keeps getting more and more absurd: From yesterday:
HEADLINE
Trump officials privately held strategy sessions about how to get their boss to give up boxes of classified info: NYT
So what is interesting...
is that even international newspapers like the Guardian (liberal as hell) are questioning the DOJ and FBI and their behavior. Almost nobody but the far left believes this is on the up and up.
But my favorite here is the new line from the left!
THe Biden DOJ just authorized a raid on the former President's resident over a National archives dispute where the former President and his attorneys had been cooperating and had been voluntarily turning over papers. Previous issues with these sort of documents (across the board) have ALWAYS been dealt with through subpoena and other civil means. At worst people who were in violation of having classified information were fined (not prosecuted).
And the left wants Trump to be held accountable for an explanation as to why the FBI raided him??????????
Seriously?
Oh and watch our little echo chamber here! All the good little libs are parroting the argument as if it actually makes any sense. Hint! THe explanation is no the DOJ and FBI - not the person who was raided.
You cannot seriously make this shit up folks!
Lastly on the warrant.
There is an affidavit that offers how or why the FBI believed that they had cause to issue the warrant. This is the actual "reasoning behind" the warrant. The warrant itself does not provide that reasoning.
The FBI is admitting that this "affidavit" is sealed and will not be sharing it with anyone. So whatever it is that you are reading is likely rumor. Until the FBI is willing to provide the "affidavit" that justifies the warrant...
There will be no satisfaction that it was justified.
No, we can't make up the charge that the Department of Justice and the FBI are withholding the warrant explaining the exact what and why of the serch when the simple truth is that Trump himself could release the warrant but is choosing not to.
The Reverend... simply not paying attention?
The warrant doesn't say anything about why. Just provides the authority to search and tells the person where the FBI can search and what they can take.
The affidavit for that Warrant provides the reasoning for the warrant. What it is that was provided to a Judge to "justify" that warrant.
The FBI has stated that this affidavit is sealed.
So Trump cannot provide that reasoning.
Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
Palm Beach Post
Wed, August 10, 2022 at 10:56 AM·
Former President Donald Trump knows what FBI agents took from his private club in Palm Beach and knows why they took it, former federal prosecutors said Tuesday.
Before leaving Mar-a-Lago on Monday after executing a search, FBI agents were legally required to leave behind the search warrant and an inventory listing what items were seized, said Fort Lauderdale defense attorney Richard Serafini, who spent 10 years working as a federal prosecutor.
In addition to revealing what agents grabbed, the search warrant would have listed what crimes agents believed may have been committed that prompted their unprecedented request to search the home of a past president, said former federal prosecutor David Weinstein.
Trump, who was in New York when agents descended on Mar-a-Lago, has blasted federal officials, claiming the search is yet the latest and most egregious example of his ongoing political persecution.
“It is prosecutorial misconduct, the weaponization of the Justice System, and an attack by Radical Left Democrats who desperately don’t want me to run for President in 2024,” Trump said in a lengthy statement he posted online shortly after Monday’s raid.
BUT
Trump could release documents to the public, attorney says
U.S. Rep. Jim Jordan, the ranking Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, joined Trump's chorus on Tuesday. During an interview on Fox News, Jordan demanded that Attorney General Merrick Garland and FBI Director Christopher Wray explain their actions.
“What was on the warrant? What were you really doing? What were you looking for?" he asked. "Why not talk to President Trump and have him give the information you’re after?"
But, Weinstein said, if Trump wants to fight back in the court of public opinion, the agents gave him powerful ammunition.
If the documents agents left behind indicate they found little of importance, Trump could release them to the public, said Weinstein, a Miami defense attorney.
The silence from Trump and his attorneys could mean agents alerted them that the former president is suspected of far more serious crimes than simply not turning over presidential records to the National Archives and Records Administration.
The story continues, including discussion of the affadavit.
sorry Reverend...
It's not really your fault.
These people in the media understand that you (unlike people like me) will not do any research and will basically take whatever they tell you at face value.
So you are just gaslighted.
Not really your fault.
You may even still go on believing that Trump is responsible for explaining how the FBI got the warrant and what was in that sealed affidavit. Because that is more comfortable for you to believe.
No, you can't make this stuff up.
Trump Made It a Felony To Mishandle Classified Info
According to Huffpost:
Donald Trump signed a bill into law in January 2018 “that included a provision increasing the punishment for knowingly removing classified materials with the intent to retain them at an ‘unauthorized location.'
“Previously, someone found guilty of this crime could face up to one year in prison… Now, a person convicted of violating this law can face up to five years in prison ― making it a felony-level offense to mishandle classified documents under 18 U.S.C. 1924.”
Yes Reverend...
Now I understand!
You wrote in capital letters!
Must mean that Trump has that FBI seale Affidavit, huh?
It was the capital letters that make you seem so smart!
Funny π
HUGE DEVELOPMENT: Report Shows FBI “Had Personal Stake” in Mar-a-Lago Raid – Agents Were After Spygate Documents Trump Was Holding That Likely Indicted FBI
By Jim Hoft
Published August 10, 2022 at 12:55pm
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Armed FBI agents guard Mar-a-Lago during 9-hour secretive raid on Monday.
New details on Mar-a-Lago raid come to light
As reported earlier today — President Trump declassified a binder on January 19th, 2021 that contains hundreds of pages about the Crossfire Hurricane scandal. It contains damaging information about the corrupt actors involved with our government. Two different DOJ Attorney General’s have defied President Trump’s direct lawful order to publish the binder in the Federal Register. It’s been 19 months as the DOJ defies the order, and every FOIA request to make it public. Can we now raid the homes of acting AG Monty Wilkinson, and Merrick Garland?
The DOJ had already made redactions to protect sources & methods, and returned the binder back to the White House. But the corrupt FBI also wanted to hide names. So at the last minute, the DOJ demanded the binder comply with the 1974 Privacy Act. The Act requires any “agency” that releases records to also hide personal or identifiable name information. The DOJ knew this Act doesn’t apply to the White House, it was a stall tactic. The courts decided this 22 years ago that the Privacy Act was based around FOIA requests, and the White House is not an agency.
Hours before Trump left office on January 20th, Chief of Staff Mark Meadows gave the binder back to the DOJ, along with this memo. He asked the DOJ to make any Privacy Act redactions “out of an abundance of caution”. In the memo he asks they expeditiously release the binder when finished. Meadows foolishly expected this would take 3-4 days. It’s been 19 months and still not released. Just the News recently obtained the Meadows memo from the National Archives, who also denied having a copy of the declassified binder.
Meadows admits in interviews various agency’s often stalled or defied Trump’s orders. Meadows knew better than to rely on the DOJ to release this damaging binder after they left the White House. He should have released the binder to the public himself. But in doing so, there was a chance he would become a target of the DOJ and FBI. The memorandum below is what Mr. Meadows sent to the DOJ Attorney General on January 20th, 2021.
Gateway Pundit
You seem to think it's important for you to show yourself smarter than I am. I think it's far more important that this raid may make it impossible for Trump ever again to be president.
Reverend....
I really don't know how smart or how dumb you might be as you generally provide very little personal insight based on your own opinion. I feel like there are hints of well reasoned cognitive thinking, but who knows?
What I know is that you religiously, almost blindly follow what certain actors write, especially as it pertains to Trump. Things that seem preposterous with almost no actual evidence are seen by you as the gospel truth, like others might view the bible.
It would seem that after being either lied to or just people providing complete misinformation on subjects like "Russian collusion" and other hoaxes regarding that you would no longer be so "trusting" of sources that have wrong over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
But I do believe that your statement here is indicative of your thinking.
Doesn't matter if you seem smart or dumb. Doesn't matter if you listen to a nonsensical argument (like Trump is responsible to let us know what the sealed FBI affidavit says) - What matters is that you are willing to believe almost anything that is "damaging" to the ex-President.
You would rather look stupid if that stupidness suggests something bad for Trump. If a better (more logical) argument comes along, you will generally disregard it if it makes Trump look better (or undercuts the previous stupid argument).
Let us be clear here. The FBI raid doesn't stand on its own merits. It is tie to the FBI abuses regarding everything Trump related, starting with the Russian collusion investigation. I mean, to read how the actual analysts from both the FBI and CIA actually viewed the evidence of Trump collusion (which was they believed it to be nonsense - one FBI analyst stated that whoever came up with the theory was mentally disabled). Yet internal documents stated that the 7th floor (Comey, etc) were still "excited" by the revelations (even as their own analysts debunked them). They were going to go ahead with FICA warrants and such in spite of the conclusions of their own experts. Much like Roger posting 20 comments in the middle of the night, they appeared unable to stop themselves.
If it was "just" that two year investigation? Maybe... but it's been one thing after another.
So yeah. A healthy grain of skepticism here would not just be prudent, but it would be smart. To believe that "this time" they are on the "up and up" would have to be taken on a blind faith that the FBI simply does not deserve as it pertains to Trump.
btw...
Roger is really exited that he can find a law and cut and paste it... as this has been in my comment moderation at least 15-20 times:
LII U.S. Code Title 18 PART I CHAPTER 93 § 1924 18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material U.S. CodeNotes prev next (a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both. (b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a). (c) In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.
We are all now better off because Roger allowed us to all view the law that people on the left were so certain did not apply to Clinton but most certainly applies to Trump.
CH says,
What matters is that you are willing to believe almost anything that is "damaging" to the ex-President.
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Well, Ch, I have a pretty healthy amount of skepticsm that Trump is right when he says he actually won the last election, as he baselessly keeps claiming.
Your obsequious devotion to his BIG LIE stands in interesting contrast to that.
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