Sunday, September 25, 2022

Here is an interesting viewpoint on the midterm congressional polling...

This morning I saw that RCP replaced the ABC/WaPo "registered voter" poll results of +1% for GOP with the "likely voter" model result of +5% for the GOP.  That was a four point swing towards the Republicans just by looking at the more historically accurate sample. Makes you wonder if there would be a similar swing of RV polls were switched to Likely voter samples. So I just broke it down.

Overall voter congressional polling from RCP

Polling Data

PollDateSampleDemocrats (D)Republicans (R)Spread
RCP Average9/6 - 9/22--45.344.9Democrats +0.4 
ABC News/Wash Post9/18 - 9/21LV4651Republicans +5
Emerson9/20 - 9/211368 LV4545Tie
Rasmussen Reports9/18 - 9/222500 LV4244Republicans +2
Economist/YouGov9/17 - 9/201318 RV4540Democrats +5
Politico/Morn Consult9/16 - 9/182005 RV4641Democrats +5
NBC News9/9 - 9/131000 RV4646Tie
FOX News9/9 - 9/121201 RV4441Democrats +3
NY Times/Siena9/6 - 9/141399 RV4644Democrats +2
Trafalgar Group (R)9/7 - 9/91081 LV4248Republicans +6
Harvard-Harris9/7 - 9/81885 RV5149Democrats +2
Registered voter congressional polling

Polling Data

PollDateSampleDemocrats (D)Republicans (R)Spread
RCP Average9/6 - 9/22--45.344.9Democrats +2.8  
Economist/YouGov9/17 - 9/201318 RV4540Democrats +5
Politico/Morn Consult9/16 - 9/182005 RV4641Democrats +5
NBC News9/9 - 9/131000 RV4646Tie
FOX News9/9 - 9/121201 RV4441Democrats +3
NY Times/Siena9/6 - 9/141399 RV4644Democrats +2
Harvard-Harris9/7 - 9/81885 RV5149Democrats +2
Likely voter congressional polling

Polling Data

PollDateSampleDemocrats (D)Republicans (R)Spread
RCP Average9/6 - 9/22--45.344.9Republicans 3.3  
ABC News/Wash Post9/18 - 9/21LV4651Republicans +5
Emerson9/20 - 9/211368 LV4545Tie
Rasmussen Reports9/18 - 9/222500 LV4244Republicans +2
Trafalgar Group (R)9/7 - 9/91081 LV4248Republicans +6
Now people have long suggested that pollsters like Rasmussen and Trafalgar are biased towards the GOP. Could it have really nothing to do with "bias" and way more to do with the fact that they are pretty much always working with "likely voter" samples versus "registered voter" samples most pollsters use? Because it has been historically the case that the former are always more favorable to Republicans, while the latter is more favorable to Democrats. 

So that can become sort of a chicken vs the egg argument. Is Rasmussen and Trafalgar really more favorable to the GOP because of bias or simply because they use likely voter samples which has a built in favorability to Republicans. Is the really these two pollster, or the idea of the likely voter poll that upsets the left.

The difference between the two samples is 6.1%  as the registered is 2.8 +D while the likely is 3.3 +R. This is more than the 4% swing that the ABC/WaPo poll showed, so it would appear that there might be more than just the type of sample involved. But at the end of the day the lionshare of this difference is really how far you want to parse out the voter intentions. In the ABC/WaPo poll the difference appeared nominal (about 75% of Democrats versus 80% of Republicans were considered "motivated" to vote) but even that 5%  can make a difference of 2-3 points by itself. One must have to also look at independents and leaners to find similar intentions, and there are other factors. 

I expect more and more pollsters to switch to the likely voter model in the coming weeks and I would similarly expect some movement towards the GOP as they do.

56 comments:

Caliphate4vr said...

How about anew category “Likely Voters that have been grocery shopping”.

$4.99 for 80/20 ground beef are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?

This administration is a disaster

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Forgive me if I change the subject for a moment.

Politicalwire.com indicates that the Jan 6 investigation committee is all upset about a new book that is coming out giving a behind the scenes view of the committee's work.

The guy who is publishing it, a former White House staff member under Trump, has lied about what he was writing.

continued said...

a link to that story as in WaPo:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-staffer-s-unauthorized-book-about-jan-6-committee-rankles-members/ar-AA12dHny?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=711ba6eb91984140a4420e4894e44716

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

You can read that WaPo article
AND
you can go to amazon.com and read about the book:
THE BREACH by Denver Riggleman.

Be sure to click on the "Read more" option to see what the book's promoters say about it.

Very interesting.

https://www.amazon.com/Breach-Untold-Story-Investigation-January-ebook/dp/B0B3BL5PPL

Caliphate4vr said...

Piss off pederast. Ban his ass, he’s incapable of any discussion other than Trump

And the fact it’s all c&p is also testament to his abject stupidity.

You gave him a shot he’s found lacking

Myballsinthewoodsagain said...

So back to the polls, one this week touted by James actually had a full 45% democrat. More bogus polls as usual.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Cali should be banned just for calling me a pederast when he knows full well I'm not.

When I was in the 3rd grade I was strongly attracted to a little girl in the 2nd grade. I was never ever ever attracted in any way to boys, lol.

Myballsinthewoodsagain said...

I actually remember when you posted that you thought the young Obama daughter was hot. No doubt that's what is generating it.

Caliphate4vr said...

And Dementia Joe was aroused by a 12 yr old when he 30.

Anything to add on topic “reverend”

Doubtful

Caliphate4vr said...

Blogger Myballsinthewoodsagain said...
I actually remember when you posted that you thought the young Obama daughter was hot. No doubt that's what is generating it.


That and him spreading Dingy Harry’s lie that Romney hadn’t paid taxes. And like Dingy he bragged that the lie worked.

And that’s when we decided he’s a pederast

Commander-In-Thief Biden said...


I say let's take a poll if the POS "pastor" is a pederast and let democracy rule

Survey says...

ROFLMFAO !!!

and who the hell even posts that he was strongly attracted to a little girl in the 2nd grade.

maybe just him and Joe ???

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...
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Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Sounds healthy to me. She was blonde and blue eyed and I thought she was the loveliest thing I had ever seen and didn't even know why I was so attracted to her, and didn't want anyone to know about it. I thought it was sissy or something to be ashamed of, or something.

I was very pale in those days and looked anemic and knew it, so whenever I passed by her clasroom, I pinched my cheeks to get some color in them.

If anyone had known what I was doing and pointed it out, I would have been very upset and probably would have denied it.

As an adult I married a brown eyed German blonde who is also lovely.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Very interesting and encouraging stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt5rjBz5zpc

continued said...

Is Merick Garland on the verge of charging Trump with major crime(s)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ3ELxu129w

ditto said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZCyztsxRLc

ahem said...

Trump in secret court fight trying to keep info from Grand Jury after former WH lawyer receives supoena

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmZnQ6Mzd0M

MeidasTouch said...

positive proof that T. and his lawyers are full of s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cXutm2rpv4

Caliphate4vr said...

And nothing on topic…

All Trump all the time

Pitiful

Commander-In-Thief Biden said...

Caliphate4vr said...
And nothing on topic…

All Trump all the time

Pitiful



all Trump and underage girls

odd behavior for a "pastor"

but typical for old white liberals

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Everybody should just shut up about Donald, but they don't, and can't

Extra Bonus Quote of the Day
“Everybody is waiting to see what Trump decides. And the reality is he is going to do what he wants to do. I don’t know if he is going to run for president. Nobody else does, either… If he doesn’t run, everybody runs.”
— Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), speaking about the 2024 presidential field.


Christie Says Trump Headed for Self-Inflicted Indictment

Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) said former President Trump is pushing himself toward a “self-inflicted indictment” with his combative public statements on his legal battle with the Justice Department,
The Hill reports.

Said Christie:
“The more you absolutely antagonize with nonsense arguments on television that your lawyers won’t make in court — because they’re afraid they’ll be sanctioned if they do because they have no evidence — you’re pushing yourself closer to a self-inflicted indictment.”

He added:
“And I don’t want to see that happen just because I don’t think it’s good for our country, but he’s pushing himself in that direction.”



Schiff Says Criminal Referral Should Be Unanimous

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), a member of the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol, said that a criminal referral for former President Trump should be unanimous from the panel, The Hill reports.

Said Schiff: “We operate with a high degree of consensus and unanimity.”


and Trump himself can't stop talking about TrumpJ

Bonus Quote of the Day
“You know why Lindsey kisses my ass? So I’ll endorse his friends.”
Donald Trump, quoted in an excerpt of Maggie Haberman’s The Confidence Man, on Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC).
________
--all from politicalwire.com where you can link for more info.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Why are Abbott and DeSantis in rivalry and upset with one another?

Read about it at politicalwire.com.

Myballsinthewoodsagain said...

Sounds like a little miscommunication. Typical of the desperate goddard to try to make something of it.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Back to the thread topic: polling

Republican Lead in Race for House Control Shrinks Again
September 25, 2022 at 5:55 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 39 Comments

A new CBS News Battleground Poll finds the Republicans still have a lead in the race for control of the House, but “it keeps shrinking.

“While they’re still in a very good position to capture a House majority, that majority looks narrower today than it ever has, having ticked down for the second straight month to 223 seats in our model estimate. Republicans were at 226 in August and 230 in July.”

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Back to why Republicans may be in trouble: Trump!


Trump Claims He Didn’t See Rioters on TV
link at Politicalwire,com:

“Donald Trump denied knowing at the time the January 6 attack on the US Capitol started that a mob of his supporters – whom he privately called ‘fucking crazy’ – were rioting, the author of a forthcoming book on his chaotic presidency writes in what may stand as one of the most surprising, non-believable postscripts of his tenure in the Oval Office,”
The Guardian reports.

Said Trump:
“I didn’t usually have the television on. I’d have it on if there was something. I then later turned it on and I saw what was happening."

He added: “I had heard that afterward and actually on the late side. I was having meetings. I was also with Mark Meadows and others. I was not watching television.”
________

How many people saw him watching the rioting all along, delighted and surprised that others around him were not as delighted as he was.

The Jan 6 report blows that lie all to pieces.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Nothing on topic.
TRUMP IS THE TOPIC!
HE'S SEEING TO THAT!

Myballsinthewoodsagain said...

Oh look, James shows up, puts up 15 out of 26 posts, and the thread goes dead. Go figure no one wants to read any of his usual crap.

Myballsinthewoodsagain said...

Thread suggestion

Only 35% democrat and lean democrat want Biden to run again. That's very bad news for dems because the bench is so thin. They have three possibilities - Harris, who has impressed precisely no one. They have Newsom. But California is such a mess, no one wants the country to be like his state. There are even rumblings of the party reaching out to Hillary to run again. Granted, some of those rumblings are from her own people. But who else is there? Warren? Unlikely. AOC? Maybe I suppose, but also Unlikely. So who? It would have to be someone new I think.

rrb said...

Blogger Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Nothing on topic.
TRUMP IS THE TOPIC!
HE'S SEEING TO THAT!



Wrong again, pederast. My NY AG, Liz Cheney, Garland and the DOJ/FBI/DNC STASI, and Slow Fucking Joe himself are seeing to it.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

54% of Americans think Trump threatened democracy
51% think he comitted serious federeal crimes
53% have an unfavorable view of him

if the election were today
45% would vote for Biden
42% would vote for Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3qPtJKu8U4

Myballsinthewoodsagain said...

Good grief. Can't you discuss anything else?

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Liz Cheney will leave the GOP is the nominee is Trump.
She points out that the Chinese are saying that America does not have real elections, and she is disgusted by Republicans who still are following Trump's Big Lie when so many know that all the evidence tells us it really is that, a LIE.

We must push back against the fascistic tendencies of the rabbid cultists.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

DeSantis took people who were fleeing a communist country and mistreated them, lying to them and treating them like trash to be exploited for his political aims.

Myballsinthewoodsagain said...

Giving them food, clothing, shelter, medical attention is mistreating them. Yeah. You go with that.

Commander-In-Thief Biden said...

Myballsinthewoodsagain said...
Good grief. Can't you discuss anything else?


all Trump and underage girls

odd behavior for a "pastor"

but typical for old white liberals


Commander-In-Thief Biden said...

DisHonest, indecent, untruthful and ignorant Rev. said...
DeSantis took people who were fleeing a communist country and mistreated them, lying to them and treating them like trash to be exploited for his political aims.


yep he placed just a few of them in an ultra-rich liberal sanctuary city

boy did they deport them quick

imagine exposing immigrants to such horror

rrb said...

Blogger Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

54% of Americans think Trump threatened democracy
51% think he comitted serious federeal crimes
53% have an unfavorable view of him


Right. Threat to democracy. We're a representative republic. So 54% are morons.

Serious federal crimes. Well, he should be indicted then, no?

LOL. The NY AG has to sue him because even she, the affirmative action hack that she is, can't find a fucking crime that he's committed.

An 'unfavorable view.'

Well golly gee gosh alrighty. How tragic.

I'll bet that those with an unfavorable view of soaring gas prices, soaring inflation, soaring interest rates, and plummeting home values, and rampant crime, just to name a few, is significantly higher than 53% right now, pederast.

Trump presided over the greatest American economy of my entire lifetime. And what I wouldn't do to go back to the days of mean tweets and unbridled American prosperity.

Those hacks in your poll are the same scumbags who kicked 50 illegals off their multi-millionaire enclave within hours of their arrival. Had Trump been president he would've spared them from looking like such shitty, petty hypocrites in the first place.

Commander-In-Thief Biden said...


Why do liberals keep equating these people to trash ?

and tacos ?

and keep lying about them ?

and trying to shift their characterizations to others ?

quite dishonest

oh, it was the "pastor"



Myballsinthewoodsagain said...

I see that one Texas border town put up a sign 'welcome to Martha's Vineyard ' to see if the federal government might assist them as well.

rrb said...

Blogger Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

DeSantis took people who were fleeing a communist country and mistreated them, lying to them and treating them like trash to be exploited for his political aims.


Ever been to the Vineyard, pederast?

He could not have provided them with a cushier and more moneyed place to land if he had tried.

Mistreatment?

LMAO.

You fucking assclown.

Mistreatment is making them pose for several virtue-signaling selfies while loading them on a bus and THROWING THEM THE FUCK OUT.

rrb said...



We must push back against the fascistic tendencies of the rabbid cultists.

We are. That's what got Younkin elected in VA, and it's what should deliver a red tsunami in November.

Us normals are fed up with the fascistic tendencies of the rabid cultists on the left.

And when the president inspires and instructs a leftist scumbag to murder an innocent young man, that's when the rest of us need to put a stop to ALL of this shit.

Caliphate4vr said...

Liz Cheney will leave the GOP is the nominee is Trump.

No one, except a pedophile geriatric gives a shit what anyone’s hypothetical political party might be

Fucking stupid pathetic old man

rrb said...

Blogger Commander-In-Thief Biden said...

Why do liberals keep equating these people to trash ?

and tacos ?

and keep lying about them ?

and trying to shift their characterizations to others ?



While hypocrisy may be the bedrock of liberalism, psychological projection is it's lifeblood.

EVERY single fucking thing the left accuses the right of doing... the left HAS done, WILL do or IS doing as we fucking speak.

Remember all the fascism Trump was supposed to visit upon America?

We're living it right now through no-knock raids and solitary confinement life sentences for folks who 'paraded' around the Capitol.

Trump never got around to all of that fascist dictatoring he was always supposed to do, so we elected an imbecile to do exactly THAT.

rrb said...


Liz Cheney leaving the GOP.

Perhaps the single funniest headline I've read so far this year.

Next, the MSM/DNC steno pool will be telling us that water is wet.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...
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rrb said...



Geezus pederast, if you're going to plagiarize like the alky, at least spell-check the fucker.

Asshole.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Blogger Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...
[REPORTER with the Washington Post interviewing Adam Schiff regarding
Trump's declassification of documents:
Trump said,]

DONALD TRUMP: There doesn't have to be a process as I understand it. There used to be some people who say different things, but as I understand it, there doesn't have to be -- if your're the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying I declassify, even by thinking about it.

REPORTER TO ADAM SCHIFF:
Is that how it works, sir?

SCHIFF:
No, it's not how it works. Those comments don't demonstrate much intelligence of any kind. If you can simply declassify by thinking about it, then, frankly -- if that's his view, he's even more dangerous than we may have thoughtk, because with that view, he could simply spout off on anything he read in the presidential daily brief or anything he was briefed on by the CIA director to a visiting Russian delegation or any other delegation and simply say, "Well I thought about it and therefore when the words came out of my mouth, they were declassified." No, people worked hard to get that information; people put their lives at risk to get that information; that information protects American lives, and for him to treat it so cavalierly shows the Post what a continuing danger the man is, but also how very little regard he has for anything but himself."

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

LOL I got that last right off the air, not from "the alky."

MEANWHILE
Factory Jobs Are Booming Like It’s the 1970s

“Ever since American manufacturing entered a long stretch of automation and outsourcing in the late 1970s, every recession has led to the loss of factory jobs that never returned. But the recovery from the pandemic recession has been different: American manufacturers have now added enough jobs to regain all that they shed — and then some,” the New York Times reports.

“The resurgence has not been driven by companies bringing back factory jobs that had moved overseas, nor by the brawny industrial sectors and regions often evoked by President Biden, former President Donald J. Trump and other champions of manufacturing.

“Instead, the engines in this recovery include pharmaceutical plants, craft breweries and ice-cream makers. The newly created jobs are more likely to be located in the Mountain West and the Southeast than in the classic industrial strongholds of the Great Lakes.”

Myballsinthewoodsagain said...

Adam Schiff? Seriously??

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Oh yes, quite seriously.
It's Trump who's the idiot there.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

"...[an] endeavor in Arizona to systematically ferret out voter fraud found it has turned up few cases — and that rather than bolster confidence in elections, the absence of massive fraud has just fueled more bogus theories and distrust.”

Bogus election theories are all such fanatics have, but most Americans just aren't falling for it.

Commander-In-Thief Biden said...

rrb said...


Geezus pederast, if you're going to plagiarize like the alky, at least spell-check the fucker.

Asshole.


well he is scraping the bottom of the barrel, Goddard and the Washington Post and such,. I could post a bunch of opposite articles but it really is a waste of time

he is locked in on stupid and dishonesty.

can't change his mind and he changes no one else's


FAKE NEWS

Ministry of Truth

1984

Commander-In-Thief Biden said...


But if he trusts the Washington Post he must realize that their polling just moved the Republicans to plus 5 over democrats

as this thread was all about

and if it is true that should produce a huge red wave if it holds !!!

WINNING !!!


Commander-In-Thief Biden said...


* and that is consistent with other "likely voter" polling

WINNING !!!

and desperation from the lying left

Commander-In-Thief Biden said...


Do the affluent left think "taco Tuesday" is when you can interview for gardeners and household help?

Indeed they do

else get illegal immigrants out of any sanctuary cities as fast as you can and hook them up with Soros lawyers who will present cases to Soros DA's and prosecute in Democrat controlled elitist bastions rooted on by FAKE NEWS "reporting"

they call it "democracy"

and that corruption must be saved

and is under attack

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Trump declassified all those documents just by thinking about it.

Biden reclassified all of them the same way.