Tuesday, September 6, 2022

McCarthy latest column was... well angry?

Judge Throws Mar-a-Lago Probe into Chaos
Federal district judge Aileen Cannon waited until Labor Day to issue a potentially explosive order granting former President Donald Trump’s motion for a special master to review documents seized from Mar-a-Lago. After waiting for over a week, during which she allowed the Justice Department to take investigative steps based on documents she now says may be subject to executive privilege, Judge Cannon ordered the government to suspend its criminal investigation — at least to the extent investigators are and have been relying on documents seized from Trump’s Florida estate. 
There are no heroes in this drama. The Justice Department has been playing with fire from the start. Trump dragged his feet in seeking the special master, to the point that DOJ had nearly completed its privilege review by the time he finally filed his court action. Cannon, whom Trump appointed to the district court in 2020, inexplicably allowed nine days to elapse after first signaling her inclination to appoint a special master, during which she wrung her hands about whether to order the appointment and, more significantly, failed to rule on Trump’s application for a court-ordered suspension of the Justice Department’s review process and directive that DOJ cease using documents Trump claimed were privileged in furtherance of its criminal investigation. 
The Justice Department blithely assumed that Trump had no executive privilege even though this is an unsettled question in the law.

To be clear, McCarthy (as a former Federal prosecutor) had sort of took the side of the DOJ on this one. He was not against a special master being provided at first (sort of agreed with Turley and others that one should been appointed by the DOJ upfront). However, McCarthy did not like the Trump legal team's arguments for the most part. He felt they were someone disjointed and that the counterpoints made by the DOJ were valid. Now how much of that comes from his background as a Federal prosecutor is an obvious question, because if there is a tendency for McCarthy to be wrong, it is erroring on the side of the Fed. 

Ultimately he argued (as the DOJ did) that basically Trump "waited too long".  He still makes this argument in this particular article that the special master could be considered moot because a taint team had already sorted through everything. Which of course, was the same argument that the DOJ made. The judge obviously rejected it. If that became a precedent, then how often would an investigation go 24-7 on their own to beat a court date just to make this sort of subject "moot". 

On the flip side, McCarthy seems to concede that if Trump eventually wins his privilege argument (which probably goes all the way to the USSC) that a special master would eventually rule that hundreds (if not thousands) of additional documents to be privileged. In that event any member of the FBI who has viewed those documents would have to leave the investigation and any criminal leads found from those documents would need to be vacated. Perhaps that is the issue? The DOJ and FBI would look pretty bad if that was the case.

Either way, it would seem reason enough to assign a special master to at least sort those documents out while that legal debate ultimately plays out. 

The argument about whether or not a President's privileged conversations "remain" privileged when they leave office has never really been fully vetted by the courts. But we know that the idea of Presidential privilege being held for a former President has at least one fan on the USSC, as Kavanaugh has argued:
A former President must be able to successfully invoke the Presidential communications privilege for communications that occurred during his Presidency, even if the current President does not support the privilege claim. Concluding otherwise would eviscerate the executive privilege for Presidential communications.

Sure... what point would privilege make, if your privileged conversations become public the minute you leave office? Even Nixon was given some degree of leeway on the subjects of privilege by the courts, although not to the absolute degree he wanted to make it. His problem was not about how long privilege should be a thing, but about what sort of discussions could be considered privileged. Since then the courts have sort of decided things of this nature on a case by case basis. No absolute precedent has been created. 

One has to wonder if now might be the time for that precedent to become reality. 


14 comments:

Myballsinthewoodsagain said...

We also just learned that the doj also took 40 years of Trump medical records. This is an illegal violation of his 4th amendment rights.

anonymous said...

For once I agree with Bill Barr!!!!

Former Attorney General William Barr was more blunt. "I think it's a crock of sh-t," he told the Times on Friday. "I don't think a special master is called for." He made similar comments to Fox News, arguing that a special master is a "waste of time" and the FBI appears totally justified in seizing the documents.

rrb said...



Boom:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1566489991106252803



Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Why couldn't Nixon simply have said, "No, you can't have the tapes. I'm still President and I will not allow it. They are mine and they are under Executive privilege."

Obviously, he couldn't.

Yet Trump thinks he can argue that, even though he is no longer President, he can blunt his lawless actions by invoking Excecutive privilege?

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Ch is advocating for a President to be able to hide or disguise rank violations of lawful actions simply by invoking Executive privilege.

Balance that agaisnt this:
Not even a President is above the law.

C.H. Truth said...

Jesus Christ Reverend...

Are you really stupid enough to believe that all Privileged Presidential records are part of some criminal scheme? Is that "really" your argument?


Fucking banana republic. You show me the man and I will show you the crime? Just go into someone's house and take everything you can without limits?


Go back and read the bill of rights.

rrb said...



Fucking banana republic. You show me the man and I will show you the crime? Just go into someone's house and take everything you can without limits?

Yep. When you suffer from Terminal Stage IV TDS and you have a searing hatred for a political enemy, then yes. There are no limits to what you can demand to justify your hatred.

C.H. Truth said...

What is telling at this point is the lack of new leaked information. Almost like there wasn't anything damaging to leak?

Caliphate4vr said...

Are you really stupid enough to believe that all Privileged Presidential records are part of some criminal scheme? Is that "really" your argument?

He’s that fucking stupid. He can’t post unless it’s a c&p

rrb said...

Blogger C.H. Truth said...

What is telling at this point is the lack of new leaked information. Almost like there wasn't anything damaging to leak?


Just like with Manafort and Papadopoulos. There was never anything legitimate to charge them with, so they were charged with process crimes.

Proof, as if we needed even more, that this is pure political hackery. Not a legitimate crime in sight.


anonymous said...

I again note with disdain that our Lil Scotty did not put up the post I made that shoots this entire thread into the dustbin of GOP partisan BULLSHIT!!!!!


Sorry sport, you criticize others for not thinking and then you censor the facts that they make their decision on!!!! The decision has been widely panned by anyone with a brain and defended by trump slurpers whose mind has been lost to partisan politics!!!!!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/legal-scholars-criticize-judges-laughably-044217468.html


Peter Weber, Senior editor
Tue, September 6, 2022, 12:42 AM·2 min read
In this article:

Donald Trump
Donald Trump
45th President of the United States
U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon on Monday granted former President Donald Trump's request for a third-party "special master" to review the more than 11,000 documents federal agents took from his Mar-a-Lago residence under a search warrant on Aug. 8, separating out any that may violate attorney-client privilege or executive privilege.

Cannon, nominated by Trump in 2020 and confirmed after his electoral defeat, also ordered the Justice Department to stop using the documents for investigative purposes in its criminal probe of Trump's handling of highly classified government documents. She allowed a parallel intelligence community review of potential national security harm from the storage of top secret documents in a non-secure private club.

Legal scholars called Cannon's ruling unprecedented, in the sense that it goes against decades of court precedent — especially expanding the special master role to include executive privilege potentially claimed by a former president over the executive branch, for government-owned documents the Justice Department argues Trump had no right to take or keep.

This was "an unprecedented intervention by a federal district judge into the middle of an ongoing federal criminal and national security investigation," University of Texas law professor Steve Vladeck tells The New York Times. "Enjoining the ongoing criminal investigation is simply untenable," agreed Paul Rosenzweig, a George W. Bush administration official.

rrb said...



Here's how to distill your comment to a single sentence, BWAA -

Legal scholars afflicted by Stage IV TDS think Trump is a Bad Orange Man.





Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

When I read on another thread that my Nixon tapes argument got skewered, I came here to look for that "skewering."

I still haven't found it.

Caliphate4vr said...

Well you aren’t bright enough to recognize when you’ve had your ears boxed in anyway, pedo