Monday, October 10, 2016

Here's why NeverTrump Republicans are wrong...

As of now, GOP voters largely want the party to stand behind Trump. Nearly three-quarters of Republican voters, 74 percent, surveyed on Saturday said party officials should continue to support Trump. Only 13 percent think the party shouldn’t back him. Read more: LINK
At the end of the day, the two Parties should belong to the people who vote, not to the establishment that runs the Parties. Unfortunately (as we saw with the DNC leaks) - that isn't the way many of the politicians in charge see things. They want to keep certain people in power and keep certain people "from" power.

Donald Trump has the loyalty at this point to a large majority of GOP voters. If you truly want to represent your Party (as a Republican leader) then you should respect the wishes of those who send you money and vote you into office.  Those GOP candidates who have pretty much stayed out of the fray as much as possible (eg: giving tepid support by stating he is better than the alternative) are doing quite well. Those who "distance themselves" from Trump are also distancing themselves from a vast majority of their core base support. In fact, it could be reasonably argued that if those who are currently "distancing" themselves would have followed along with the "he's better than Hillary" argument, there may not even be 13% of the voters who would like to see him dumped.

The Never Trump movement quite literally could cost the GOP seats in both the Senate and the House.  


28 comments:

opie said...

Never trump is the last bastion of civility and real conservatism. Your party is heading for a split which will take generations to repair. I'm glad you will be in the super minority for ages. Can't fix stupid, especially Polls

Indy Voter said...

"He's better than Hillary" would be fine for non-racist, non-mysoginist, free trade Republicans if this were a senate race, or even a governor race. However, it is the presidential race, and the winner will be responsible for the security of 330 million Americans for the next four years. He's NOT better than Hillary for that role.

C.H. Truth said...

Yes better to entrust our security to someone willing to sell American Uranium mines to Putin for a buck... and willing to put undercover American lives in danger by exposing special action programs on an unsecured email server... because she want's her privacy from FOIA laws. Someone who's specific policies directly led to the deaths of Americans, and the spread of international terrorism.

Much more dangerous to have someone who is politically incorrect. Because we need political correctness to keep us safe.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Here's why the "Never Hitler" movement is wrong:

As of now, Nazi voters largely want the party to stand behind Herr Hitler. Nearly three-quarters of Nazi voters say party officials should continue to support him. Only 13 percent think the party shouldn’t back him.

At the end of the day, a party should belong to the people who vote, not to the establishment that runs the party. Unfortunately that isn't the way many of the politicians in charge see things. They want to keep certain people in power and keep certain people "from" power.

Adolf Hitler has the loyalty at this point of a large number of German voters. If you truly want to represent your Party (as a Nazi leader) then you should respect the wishes of those who send you money and vote you into office. Those Nazi candidates who have pretty much stayed out of the fray as much as possible (eg: giving tepid support by stating only that Herr Hitler is better than the alternative) are doing quite well. Those who "distance themselves" from Herr Hitler are also distancing themselves from a vast majority of their core base support. In fact, it could be reasonably argued that if those who are currently "distancing" themselves would have followed along with the argument that "Herr Hitler is better than the alternative," there may not even be 13% of the voters who would like to see him dumped.

The "Never Hitler" movement could quite literally cost us Nazis seats in the Bundestag.

wphamilton said...

I'm hoping it does cost seats in Congress. It's only fitting that foolish, hateful political movements be met with failure. Which is also why I hope that Clinton fails.

opie said...


Yes better to entrust our security to someone willing to sell American Uranium mines to Putin for a buck"

Oh please. You believe anything trump says, just like the little non thinker you have become. Sad how sick you have become. CH

http://correctrecord.org/fact-check-donald-trumps-false-claim-on-russian-uranium-deal/

opie said...

Too all those here who want change. Since trump is crashing.....you need to get rid of ever incumbent in office now. The R congress is only trying to preserve its majority, while doing nothing for the country bet impede the country. Mitch holding the SCOTUS nomination is going to really bit his fat white ass.

Commonsense said...

correctrecord.org? LMAO!!!

caliphate4vr said...

correctrecord.org? LMAO!!!

Another one of coke head, pillow biter David Brock's sites

LMAO

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It's pretty simple.

His stalking, threatening to throw her in jail and going back to Chappaquiddick sucked in the gullible who were conned and don't even know it.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...
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Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

I just read a commentator's speculation that Clinton knew she could have gone in for the kill Sunday night but purposely held back, aware that Trump is a far more defeatable candidate than Pence would be, and not wanting to give Republicans any way out of being saddled with Trump.

Indy Voter said...

Kind of like her portrayer said in that SNL sketch? "No! No! No! No! Give him a chance!"

opie said...

Commonsense said...
correctrecord.org? LMAO!!!

Hottair LMFAO. Seems ad hominem trumps facts menstral child. Let me know what they got wrong. You can't. as usual. Why are all extremists like you dumb as my cat.

opie said...

and going back to Chappaquiddick sucked in the gullible

Menstral brought that up an JFK the other day. When you have nothing blame a kennedy did it first, just like donny and bill show how little the right is

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Here is where you are wrong.

The Republican party is falling apart. He's claiming he media is stealing the election. Almost EVERY REPUBLICAN you have endorsed before is coming out against Trump. Your comments show clouded the coldheartedtruth and turns it into a joke.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

It's just getting worse, the VP from four years ago again shows your assumption is faulty at it's core.

The House speaker, Paul D. Ryan, dealt a hammer blow to Donald J. Trump’s presidential candidacy on Monday, dashing any remaining semblance of Republican unity and inviting fierce backlash from his own caucus by announcing that he would no longer support Mr Trump.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/us/politics/donald-trump-gop-hillary-clinton.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

The House speaker, Paul D. Ryan, dealt a hammer blow to Donald J. Trump’s presidential candidacy on Monday, dashing any remaining semblance of Republican unity and inviting fierce backlash from his own caucus by announcing that he would no longer defend Mr. Trump.

Mr. Ryan’s stance drew an immediate rebuke from Mr. Trump, who posted on Twitter that Mr. Ryan should focus on governing “and not waste his time on fighting Republican nominee.”

Mr. Ryan informed Republican lawmakers on a morning conference call that he would never again campaign for Mr. Trump and would dedicate himself instead to defending the party’s majority in Congress, according to five lawmakers who participated in the call and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Effectively conceding defeat for his party in the presidential race, Mr. Ryan said his most urgent task was ensuring that Hillary Clinton did not take the helm with Democratic control of the House and Senate, two lawmakers said.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You know, don't you, that if that 35% support for Trump would be a bigger loss than Goldwater or McGovern?

If you think that stalk fest last night and the threat to attempt to imprison his opponent if he won.

opie said...

According to Kelly Anne conroy, the you'll be in jail if he was potus, was a quip, a joke. Wow, that's like saying loretta has a brain or rat is a minister.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

During Sunday's debate, Donald Trump once again said he doesn't know whether Russia is trying to hack the U.S. election, despite Friday's statement by the U.S. intelligence community pointing the finger at Putin -- and despite the fact that Trump was personally briefed on Russia's role in the hacks by U.S. officials.

A senior U.S. intelligence official assured NBC News that cybersecurity and the Russian government's attempts to interfere in the 2016 election have been briefed to, and discussed extensively with, both parties' candidates, surrogates and leadership, since mid-August. "To profess not to know at this point is willful misrepresentation," said the official. "The intelligence community has walked a very thin line in not taking sides, but both candidates have all the information they need to be crystal clear."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-was-told-russia-was-blame-hacks-long-debate-n663686?cid=public-rss_20161011

One of a good dozen flat out lies, that for some reason don't bother our esteemed host.

Anonymous said...

Yes better to entrust our security to someone willing to sell American Uranium mines to Putin for a buck... and willing to put undercover American lives in danger by exposing special action programs on an unsecured email server... because she want's her privacy from FOIA laws. Someone who's specific policies directly led to the deaths of Americans, and the spread of international terrorism.
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exactly what i was thinking but you beat me to it.

and after 8 years of 0linsky and his nuclearization of iran, creation of ISIS, and weaponization of the IRS to annihilate his political enemies, i'm supposed to be afraid of trump?

geezus, i don't think so.


KD, Where is Bill the Rapist said...

WE do know this for a fact, every Democrat in both the US House and US Senate is for Hillary.

Does that not strike you a very odd that not one can find fault with her enough to speak out against her?

The party is in perfect lockstep. sad really. Mob think owns the Dems.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

'...more than one media outlet has observed that when news of Bill's infidelities originally broke 20 years ago, Trump — he of the locker room talk — called the accusers "terrible" and said that Bill himself was the real victim.'

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Re 8:51PM above.

Here is Ben White's theory that

Clinton [may have] pulled back on a kill shot for a reason: Keep Trump on the ticket

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/clinton-pulled-back-kill-shot-145130698.html
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At least two women -- I think three -- have accused Trump of raping them (see below).

It may be that the Hillary campaign is saving that for later.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-accused-underage-rape-lawsuit-a7352976.html

Commonsense said...

So the line is Clinton deliberately threw the debate to keep Trump on.

Now that is the most pathetic spin I ever heard.

I'm looking forward to seeing Hillary's PR machine spin the obvious anti-Catholic and anti-Evangelical bigotry running rampant in their campaign.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

No, that's not "the line," but an interesting theory on the part of Ben White.

Be that as it may, there really were Republicans who, after the second debate, were in despair. They were hoping he would experience a meltdown so severe ANY Republicans would say, "We've got to persuade him to withdraw."

That didn't happen. "We're stuck with him," they despondently realized, knowing too they'd be especially damned now for deserting him (to keep him from pulling down the entire party) or for getting him to voluntarily withdraw, which now they knew they had not the least hope of doing.)

You're stuck with him, no matter how he tanks.

The earlier hope that he WOULD be the nominee, the earlier thinking that he would prove to be the EASIEST candidate to beat, has ultimately proved true. In spades.

Hillary could not now be wishing for any other Republican candidate than The Donald.

Thanks. :-)

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

There's now a lot of Catholic and Evangelical disgust with Trump, including some toward those Catholic and Evangelical leaders who still advocate on behalf of Trump rather than condemn the many inexcusable things he has said, and not just about women.

Commonsense said...

Funny you should mention that. Trump's campaign never expressed the anti-Catholic and anti-Evangelical bigotry that was expressed by the Clinton camp.