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Friday, December 16, 2016

Russia pushes back...

So the President has determined that there will be "consequences" against Russia over their alleged hacking of the DNC and Clinton campaigns. Russian officials have pushed back, demanding (rightfully so) that the President and the United States provide the international community with their evidence that the Russians are to blame.


It's one thing to make an internal determination that your best guess is that the Russians did it. It's one thing to provide the crybaby left with another scapegoat to blame for their election loss. It's another to tell the world that you are planning to retaliate.

So far, there is scant evidence that the new found CIA assessments are anything more than loosely pieced together theories based on circumstantial evidence. I wrote before that in some ways it is more the CIA's job to determine possible scenarios and the chances that these scenarios are real. But it's the FBI's job to evaluate the evidence and make a more solid determination based on what they can prove.

When it comes to threatening Russia with retaliation, I would argue that our President should take heed and follow the FBI lead, rather than jump the gun and move forward and take action based on the CIA assessment. This should be fairly simple common sense.

From what we can gather (and this is because the CIA is not cooperating with calls for transparency) the argument sort of goes like this:
  • Nobody "other" than the Russian government is sophisticated enough to pull this off. They claim there is evidence of hacking technology consistent with the Russian Government.
  • Since someone within the Russian government had to provide the technology to whoever did do the hacking, then Putin must have signed off on it. 
There are several problems with this logic. First, how do we know that this technology wasn't sold, stolen, or otherwise copied by someone else? It's sort of naive to assume that since a particular technology has been used by one Government, that this fact would remain static for any real length of time. Secondly, how can we be sure that it was coordinated by a member of the Russian Government, that this person wasn't acting rogue? Lastly, how do we know that a more sophisticated hacker (not-Russian) didn't purposely leave obvious false "foot prints" to throw off would be investigators and pin it on Russia? Since almost all hacking can be done without leaving any evidence, the fact that there are signs (footprints) suggests that it could have been planted.

There would appear to be almost an infinite amount of alternate theories that would provide a problem when your entire argument seems to be based on the process of elimination.

Also, what exactly can this President do when he is only in office for a few weeks and the man replacing him is on record as stating he agrees more with the assessment of the FBI than the CIA? What sort of possible consequences can he dish out without Trump's ultimate backing? Should he even make such a statement without consulting the person who would likely have to follow through?

Lastly... should the United States Government retaliate on behalf of the DNC and the Clinton Campaign? Technically neither of these organizations were Governmental. They are technically private political organizations. Is it the President's place to use the resources of the federal government to retaliate for an attack on his Party?

I think this was a fundamental blunder on the Part of President Obama. He doesn't have to move forward dealing with the relationship between the United States and Russia. His actions at this point, may well work to undermine anything that the new Administration might be trying to accomplish in those regards. The only way this was not a blunder is if straining relations was the ultimate goal.

77 comments:

rrb said...


The Obama administration didn't respond more forcefully to Russian hacking before the presidential election because they didn't want to appear to be interfering in the election and they thought that Hillary Clinton was going to win and a potential cyber war with Russia wasn't worth it, multiple high-level government officials told NBC News.

"They thought she was going to win, so they were willing to kick the can down the road," said one U.S official familiar with the level of Russian hacking.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-didnt-obama-do-more-about-russian-election-hack-n696701


so there you go. 0linsky knew all about it but did nothing because he thought the old bag had the election in the bag.

heh.


caliphate4vr said...

ObamaCare's Failure And Moving Health Care Policy In A New Direction

KD, Get OUT said...

The Cheap Whore statement to the Oprah , you know Oprah a liar, she said IF Trump won she would leave the USA, well, like all liberals she lied, she is staying.

"“We are feeling what not having hope feels like,” Cheap Whore Obama told Winfrey

rrb said...


Here's how Republicans plan to repeal Obamacare within weeks of Trump taking office

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/heres-how-republicans-plan-to-repeal-obamacare-within-weeks-of-trump-taking-office/article/2609753



as the alky would say:

BOOM!!!

DEVASTATION!!!



LOL.

KD, President Feckless said...

Obama is so freaking boring, his whole point of the non-pressor was to say Hillary Won and that the Election was stolen and that Every Trump voter is a dumb ass and wrong.

So there you go , IF you voted for Trump the DNC and Hillary and Obama know your a dumbass, tricked by the Russians and you hate clean water , clean land and clean air.


Yet the greatest holders of land are in fact Republicans.

Liberals are too stupid to invest in things that appreciate over time and actually control land.

opie said...

Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
ObamaCare's Failure And Moving Health Care Policy In A New Direction

Yep, pauline is coming in his pants on a program that 20 million or so obtained insurance, who had none before. That alone saves lives and the healthcare industry money having all those extra payers rather than freebees. Oh well, it won't happen in weeks, it will take years and I still haven't seen the replacement other than ryan's free market BS. Oh well, you won. LOL

Roger Amick said...

The FBI came out today, that they agree with the CIA that Trump's BFF was directly involving, despite what your second coming President Elect says.

rrb said...

Roger Amick said...
The FBI came out today, that they agree with the CIA that Trump's BFF was directly involving...
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directly 'involving' in what?

granny's pity party at the plaza hotel?

LOL.

hey rog, will you be live blogging TRUMP'S inauguration?

i'll give you the floor over on the legacy blog for the occasion.

rrb said...

While the White House derived its number using survey data, which it then adjusted, Heritage instead went directly to the sources for enrollment data — Medicaid and private insurers — to see what's really happened.

What they found is that the Obama administration has inflated the ObamaCare coverage number by almost 42%. The actual gain in coverage between 2013 and 2015 was 14 million, Heritage found. That's close to the Census Bureau's estimate that the number of uninsured declined by 12.8 million over these years. And of that, only 2.2 million gained private coverage, Heritage figures. The other 11.8 million went on Medicaid. (Heritage only has hard data through 2015, but enrollment in the exchanges was basically flat in 2016.)

Think about that 2.2 million number for a moment.

ObamaCare has caused massive disruptions of the individual market, forced millions to drop health plans they like, caused huge price spikes and mounting insurance losses, created monopoly markets around the country, and resulted in the virtual takeover of the individual market by HMO plans.

That's to say nothing of the enormous costs of setting up and running the ObamaCare exchanges and the trillion dollars in subsidies to offset the cost of premiums for lower-income families.

All to increase the number of privately insured by a meager 1%.

As for the nearly 12 million added to Medicaid, this cannot be called a victory, given that Medicaid is a bloated, fraud-ridden program that leaves many unable to get to a doctor.

Even before ObamaCare, a third of primary care doctors said they weren't taking new Medicaid patients, according to a 2012 report to Congress. Several states have bumped up reimbursement rates in hopes of attracting more physicians.

As a result, ObamaCare's Medicaid expansion created a flood of people heading to emergency rooms for care, which has contributed to the sharp, unexpected hike in Medicaid costs.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/did-obamacare-add-20-million-to-the-insurance-rolls-not-even-close/



20 million.

LOL.

C.H. Truth said...

The FBI came out today, that they agree with the CIA that Trump's BFF was directly involving, despite what your second coming President Elect says.

You might want to word this differently.

The Washington Post and Huffington Post came out today, "reporting" that the FBI agrees with the CIA and Trump.

The only official news on the subject is that the CIA circulated a memo where Brennan stated that the CIA and FBI were on the same page. The only quotes making this claim continue to come from the CIA.

As of now, James Clapper's last official assessment to the Congressional Intelligence committees still stand.

So... I would offer that these headlines from what are slowly but surely becoming partisan "blogs" are little more than "fake news".



rrb said...

The only official news on the subject is that the CIA circulated a memo where Brennan stated that the CIA and FBI were on the same page. The only quotes making this claim continue to come from the CIA.
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the same CIA that failed to appear before a congressional inquiry into this topic?

i don't understand. if the CIA has the russkies dead to rights, why would they fail to appear and lay out their evidence?

rrb said...



profiles in competence:


Russian hackers tried to penetrate the computer networks of the Republican National Committee, using the same techniques that allowed them to infiltrate its Democratic counterpart, according to U.S. officials who have been briefed on the attempted intrusion.

But the intruders failed to get past security defenses on the RNC’s computer networks, the officials said. And people close to the investigation said it indicated a less aggressive and much less persistent effort by Russian intelligence to hack the Republican group than the Democratic National Committee. Only a single email account linked to a long-departed RNC staffer was targeted.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/republican-national-committee-security-foiled-russian-hackers-1481850043

KD, Fake President gave a Fake Pressor said...

Health care fix is easy

three levels

those of us that can self insure prior to Obama care
those that can afford to pay the premiums
and those that get none, aka the poor.

Why should the poor get any more money transferred, is it not enough that they get free food, free phone, free housing , now they need to get free health care, wtf, work solves those problems, so get a job and get moving.

Creating 20 million more interlopers is the dream of Opium like loafters.

It is so good that the era of Interlopers is almost over.

Did you see Democrats as ONE want to delay the Electorial College Vote, yep, no honor among the low life loser class.

KD, Idiot HB, strong dollar, know why that is a bad thing? said...

Russian hackers tried to penetrate the computer networks of the Republican National Committee"

Yep, got nada, yet they walked around in Hillary's Private Sec of State Server and the DNC for as long as they wanted.

Obama knew about this 18 months ago, he let her twist and lose.

Obama did not protect US State Secrets, he is a dumb ass.

However, that little meeting with President Trump and the tech guys, I love that over $1 trillion dollars of self made wealth was at that table,,,,, they agreed to assist President Trump in protecting the US Internet system,,,, finally a leader.

KD, Saddened by the News said...

I am sadden to report that James the fake Pastor has committed suicide of the Trump Election.

God rest his perverted soul.

C.H. Truth said...

What ever happened to the concept that John P opened an email that had phishing attached? Was that the sophisticated Russian footprint?

rrb said...


yes. the sophisticated russian footprint left by the equivalent of a 7th grade beginner hacker.

KD, Trump WIN is Yuge said...

Remember when this President and john Kerry, kissed the boots of the Iranians that captured and humiliated our US Sailors, I do.
And not one fucking thing happened to the Iranians.

Well, now the Red Chinnees have taken a under water US Military Drone.

Obama is a pussy, he has been bent over by ever nation including Cuba and been drilled like a queer in prison.

What will no stick do about that taking of your US Property?

It is good to see his nose rubbed in the steaming shit on the world stag time and again.

What a fucking we on the world stage have taken under this idiot big eared thin skinned metrosexual Prez.

rrb said...

Why should the poor get any more money transferred
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inflation.

the price of voting democrat every two years keeps going up.

KD, Liberals are tech idiots said...

The National Leftist Radical Party aka Democrats are all lined up in a neat circular firing squad.

Let's say that everything they say about the Election is True, the Russians did at the command of Putin Hack the DNC and Hillary's home server with states secrets on it.

Did those facts change your vote?

I did not change mine, in fact I as going to sit this election out, until Hillary called me a US Army Veteran, a deplorable.


Did the Russians set up her bathroom unsecured server?

Nope

Did the Russians tap into voting machines and change the votes made for hillar to now be for Trump?

Nope

Did the Russians put emails on Hillary Server and that of the DNC ?

Nope

so what difference does it make?

rrb said...



“Almost every country on Earth sees America as stronger and more respected today than they did eight years ago.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/16/obama-pats-himself-on-the-back-every-country-on-earth-sees-america-as-stronger-than-before-i-took-office-video/#ixzz4T2gZwSL5



skeets owes me a new keyboard.

KD, RIP James said...

the price of voting democrat every two years keeps going up."

yep,,, Hillary spent $1 Billion dollars and lost to the Russians.

Trump spent $300 million and won with the help of the Russians.

Wait, the excuse was she lost because of polling and she did not campaign in key swing states because of the polling.

Wait, that excuse was replaced by Comey stole the Election.

Wait, that excuse was replaced by Trump won because he worked harder, went to the swing states and back again, out worked, out played , out smarted both the Establishment Press and the Dems.

But wait, now, just today, This pResident said , it was because the weak minded easily duped Voters were tricked. That is it, keep insulting the voters.


Democrats are calling for a delay in the vote on Monday by the Electoral College, why, because Hillary lost and they need more time to steal this election from Trump.

Did you ever in your life time believe you would see this kind of raw political aggression toward the Voters?

KD, Bye Hillary, said...

“Almost every country on Earth sees America as stronger and more respected today than they did eight years ago.”



sssssssssssssssssssppppppppppppppppppppppppppppttttttttttttt

Darn have to clean my screen, that had to be part of his stand up routine ..... because that is funny, unless he really believes that, then it is out of touch sad.


Speaking of Sad, Hillary is in a deep winter funk, why, Bill the rapist is going to stay with her and not grant her a divorce so Hillary and Abby can be a openly gay couple.


Wait, I just Read that the reason Hillary lost was because of Huma did not let great winning ideas get to Hillary.

That is the newest excuse. It could not be the header that Hillary took on 9-11 and the question of the hags health.

wphamilton said...

Obama is just posturing, to aid the effort to derail Trump. There is nothing he can do with Russia in the time he has left.

Roger Amick said...

So let me get this straight, you are taking the Trump line that the Russian hack is a joke, no one can be sure who was involved, and that his and your BFF Putin wasn't involved, because the Russians fired back Your lack of ability to do rational analysis has been effected by the rrb virus.

Two U.S. intelligence officials have confirmed to NBC News that FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper agree with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the presidency.

The officials said electing Trump was only part of what Russia was trying to accomplish. The larger goal, they said, was to undermine confidence in American democracy.

"Mostly they wanted to build uncertainty and challenge faith in the American election system," said one official. The FBI's view has been that Russia's main goal was causing mischief, said the official. That Russia also supported Trump was "one part" of the FBI assessment.

Roger Amick said...

Republicans in Congress who oversee intelligence agencies appeared to be split Friday over the latest intelligence assessments.

Richard Burr of North Carolina, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, issued a statement Friday endorsing the intelligence and the men and women who collect it. Burr promised a committee investigation of "the cyber activity directed against our nation by the Russian Government." He added that intelligence officers "check politics at the office door and focus on their mission," in what appeared to be a message to Trump, who has suggested that U.S. spies are not to be trusted.

But Rep. Devin Nunes of California, a Trump transition official who chairs the House Intelligence Committee, issued his second statement in three days complaining that his committee had not been briefed on the conclusion by the CIA that Russia intended in part to elect Donald Trump.

"We have not received any information from Intelligence Community (IC) agencies indicating that they have developed new assessments on this issue," Nunes said.

A U.S. official said Nunes had been briefed as part of the "Gang of 8," the Congressional leaders who receive the most sensitive intelligence. A Congressional aide insisted that was not the case.

Roger Amick said...

Richard Burr of North Carolina, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, issued a statement Friday endorsing the intelligence and the men and women who collect it. Burr promised a committee investigation of "the cyber activity directed against our nation by the Russian Government." He added that intelligence officers "check politics at the office door and focus on their mission," in what appeared to be a message to Trump, who has suggested that U.S. spies are not to be trusted.

The Republican chair of the senate intelligence Committee isn't following your rrb virus, stage four, advice.

caliphate4vr said...

Two U.S. intelligence officials have confirmed to NBC News that FBI Director James Comey and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper agree with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the presidency.

And NBC, CNN, NYT and WaPo intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Cankles win the presidency

caliphate4vr said...

As for the nearly 12 million added to Medicaid, this cannot be called a victory, given that Medicaid is a bloated, fraud-ridden program that leaves many unable to get to a doctor.

44% of the increased Medicaid enrollees were eligible for Medicaid before the law.

20 million

LMAO

Indy Voter said...

So that's 5+ million people that either got insurance either because of the individual mandate, or because the social stigma of being on Medicaid was reduced. And it's 5+ million people that were no longer dumping their costs on the medical providers when they showed up at ERs and clinics for treatment but could not pay.

wphamilton said...

"Two U.S. intelligence officials", speaking anonymously to the NBC and alleging to know what the head of FBI and Director of National Intelligence think, and you accept that as definitive?

A little logic here please. If there were "hacks" that were that potentially disruptive to the election, and Obama knew about it, then he wouldn't have let it go until now. Furthermore, if all of this hacking amounts to little more than reading the Democrats' emails, then it's nothing at all. Literally nothing, because any idiot knows that emails aren't secure with or without hacking.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence Roger, and whispered opinions about someone else's opinions is far from it.

caliphate4v said...

They weren't uninsured Indy, they were all ready eligible for Medicaid and could have enrolled at any time.

caliphate4vr said...

it's being called the woodwork effect

But make no mistake the 20 million number Bumble touts is completely made up.

KD, said...

There is nothing he can do with Russia in the time he has left."


He and Hillary's childish Reset Button got shoved up their stupid ass, he did nothing but play checkers and Putin made the Chess Moves.

Obama is the best appeaser the left has ever had in office.

Roger Amick said...

Why I hate Republicans of this era.

RALEIGH, N.C. — Amid a tense and dramatic backdrop of outrage and frustration, North Carolina’s Republican-controlled legislature on Friday approved a sweeping package of restrictions on the power of the governor’s office in advance of the swearing in of the Democratic governor-elect, Roy Cooper.

Total Bullshit

KD< Trump for 8 years and then Pence for 8 more said...

But make no mistake the 20 million number Bumble touts is completely made up."

He is the king of Fake news and Hillary has been the Queen of it, together they deserve this defeat at the hands of the very informed Voters.

Democrats move to post pone the Electoral College vote, nice move, forget the will of the people , trash the US constitution further and create a constitutional crisis, just in an attempt to highjack this Election for Hillary.

Does power mean that much to you and your ilk?

Indy Voter said...

If they didn't actually have insurance, they were uninsured.

KD, CA raises property tax in 2017 by 15 % said...

North Carolina’s Republican-controlled legislature on Friday approved a sweeping package of restrictions on the power of the governor’s office in advance of the swearing in of the Democratic governor-elect, Roy Cooper." The Mutt


Did they violate the State's constitution?

IF not, why are you crybabying about it?

KD, Govt needs to wipe your ass? said...

When did we as a people believe that our fellow American is unable to earn a living, pay their own bills that they created and have to be a ward of the state for life?

When did that occur.

wphamilton said...

It seems like there's always a proviso in there. If not the millions of people in the "gap" that don't qualify (as in Georgia and Texas), it's something else. Bottom line, they didn't have insurance.

Roger Amick said...


20 million people have gained health insurance coverage because of the Affordable Care Act, new estimates show

More than 6 million uninsured young adults have gained health insurance coverage since 2010
A new report released today finds that the provisions of the Affordable Care Act have resulted in an estimated 20 million people gaining health insurance coverage between the passage of the law in 2010 and early 2016—an historic reduction in the uninsured. Those provisions include Medicaid expansion, Health Insurance Marketplace coverage, and changes in private insurance that allow young adults to stay on their parent’s health insurance plans and require plans to cover people with pre-existing health conditions.

The report’s model controls for general economic conditions (i.e., employment status), preexisting trends, geographic location, and demographic changes, so its estimates focus on the decline in the number of uninsured Americans specifically associated with the provisions of the Affordable Care Act.

“Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, 20 million Americans have gained health care coverage,” said HHS Secretary Sylvia M. Burwell. “We have seen progress in the last six years that the country has sought for generations. Americans with insurance through the Health Insurance Marketplace or through their employers have benefited from better coverage and a reduction in the growth in health care costs.”

According to today’s report, 6.1 million uninsured young adults ages 19 to 25 have gained health insurance coverage because of the Affordable Care Act. This is especially important because young adults were particularly likely to be uninsured before the law went into effect. Coverage gains for young adults began in 2010 because of the provision of the Affordable Care Act that allows children to stay on their parents’ health insurance plan until they are 26 years of age.

2.3 million young adults gained coverage from 2010 through the start of Open Enrollment in October 2013 due to the provision that allows people under age 26 to stay on their parents’ plan
An additional 3.8 million young adults gained coverage between October 2013 and early 2016, a 46.5 percent drop in the number of uninsured young adults over that period.
Gains in coverage because of the Affordable Care Act were strong across all racial and ethnic groups between October 2013 and early 2016.

The uninsured rate among Black non-Hispanics dropped by more than 50 percent (from 22.4 to 10 percent); corresponding to about 3 million adults gaining coverage.
The uninsured rate among Hispanics dropped by more than 25 percent (from 41.8 to 30.5 percent), corresponding to about 4 million Hispanic adults gaining coverage.
The uninsured rate among White non-Hispanics declined by more than 50 percent (from 14.3 to 7.0 percent), corresponding to about 8.9 million adults gaining coverage.
Separately, the National Health Interview Survey has estimated the uninsured rate was 9.1 percent for the overall U.S. population, including those under the age of 18 and over the age of 64, in the first nine months of 2015. Today’s report is limited to estimates of coverage gains for individuals 18 – 64 years of age that are attributable to the provisions of the Affordable Care Act. Excluding children and seniors, this report finds that 11.5 percent of U.S. nonelderly adults were uninsured as of early 2016, based on data from the Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index.

Today’s findings are an update to previous estimates released in September 2015, which found that 17.6 million uninsured adults had gained health insurance coverage. Accordingly, 2.4 million more people are estimated to have gained coverage since the last report. Those findings are available here: https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/111826/ACA%20health%20insurance%20coverage%20brief%2009212015.pdf - PDF

To read today’s report visit: https://aspe.hhs.gov/pdf-report/health-insurance-coverage-and-affordable-care-act-2010-2016

caliphate4vr said...

Presumptive Eligibility (PE) is an expedited process of enrolling eligible applicants in the Medicaid program. PE allows certain providers, designated as Qualified Provider (QP)/ Qualified Hospital (QH), to make a preliminary Medicaid eligibility determination for an applicant.

This temporary coverage is available prior to a formal determination of eligibility by the local Right from the Start Medicaid (RSM) Project or the Division of Family and Children Services (DFCS).


And this is a deplorable fly-over state that didn't expand Medicaid

caliphate4vr said...

BTW, there is still at least 7,000,000 people that were eligible for Medicaid preBumblecare that still aren't in it

Roger Amick said...

there is still at least 7,000,000 people that were eligible for Medicaid preBumblecare that still aren't in it

Because the Republican state governments that don't give a shit about the people in their states..

It was political bull.

Roger Amick said...

When the truth is posted, the stolen silence is deafening.

caliphate4vr said...

there is still at least 7,000,000 people that were eligible for Medicaid preBumblecare that still aren't in it

Because the Republican state governments that don't give a shit about the people in their states..


Genius, read my statement. They were eligible PRE Bumblecare

Regardless of their governor's political affiliation

Fuck you're tiresome

Caliphate4vr said...

Let me slow down the explanation I've shown over these several posts for Roger.


44% of the newly insured in Medicaid under the great bumble care we're already eligible for coverage p...r...I...o...r... t...o.... t....h....e.... l....a....w....

calipahte4vr said...

My ex-wife worked for Ernst & Young 25 years ago working in the SALT (State and Local Tax ) division doing reverse audits on hospital patients that were eligible for Medicaid but didn't know it.

Medicaid eligigble were enrolled immediately in Medicaid. Argue the semantics of whether they had insurance the moment before all you want

Roger Amick said...

Let me spell it out.

Outside of right wing opinion pieces, your data is a distortion of the facts.


The data I provided proof.

If they didn't know m e a n s n o t h i n g.

Commonsense said...

Michelle Obama says America is entering a time of hopelessness

“We are feeling what not having hope feels like,” Obama told Winfrey in response to a question about whether President Obama had achieved the “hope and change” he promised while campaigning in 2008. As she often did while campaigning for Hillary Clinton, she didn’t mention President-elect Donald Trump by name. But she alluded to the contrast many in the country are feeling since he won the election last month.

She's emblematic of the whiny temper tantrum liberals have thrown since they have lost power. I say good riddance to them.

caliphate4vr said...

Roger every number this administration has stated about Bumblecare is a fucking lie.

And I've proven that repeatedly

KD, said...

Remember Obama was named the Liar of the Year.

Numbers like it will not cost more then 900 billion and is now over 2.5 Trillion.

Or is the one on keep your doctor.

or is the One on saving $2,500 a year

or is it the one that cost will go down

IT was unread, passed by Only Neo-Liberals.


The great thing is it has cost Neo-Liberals seats in the US House, IN the US Senate , IN us state Houses and in the White House.

Good bye Hillary , I feel so sad that again she got schlonged by the voters. Reports are she is in a deep depression.

KD said...

HB is a "special kind of Stupid"


What kind of brain dead ass hat has a mortgage on his home at age 65 plus.

KD said...

LOL ALT-Left Website HHS.Gov shows that the government thinks 20 million people have gained health insurance that they were unable to get prior to Obamacare, funny stuff there HB.

Want to know how good their data is, they are Obama political appointed hacks, no one can be as dumb as the Mutt.

cowardly king obama said...


The ONLY FAKE NEWS allowed is MY FAKE NEWS !!!

KD said...

"We are going to do great things for the American people with Mick Mulvaney leading the Office of Management and Budget," Trump said in a statement.

"Right now we are nearly $20 trillion in debt, but Mick is a very high-energy leader with deep convictions for how to responsibly manage our nation's finances and save our country from drowning in red ink." Trump

The Adults are about to get back in charge, we are drowning in debt, legacy of Obama took 10 trillion in debt and took it to 20 Trillion.

rrb said...


If they didn't know m e a n s n o t h i n g.
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it actually means a lot, alky.

it means that 0linsky and the dems upended and seized fully one-sixth of the economy to cover a pack of imbeciles who should have already been on medicaid. and it reinforces a point i've been making since day one - there was never a need for 0linsky-care. all you dumb fucks had to do was expand medicaid, and actually inform the eligible, and the rest of us could've been left the fuck ALONE.

cali is right, alky - all this has ever been is one big fucking LIE.

caliphate4vr said...

And there are still 7-10 million that were eligible for Medicaid pre Bumblecare not in the system.

And costs are spiraling because of the the 4-5 million that were eligible pre Bumblecare and came into the system, that states don't get fully reimbursed for

KD, Alky CA 199 Electoral votes said...

Alt-Left Alky, all he parrots is meaningless, Alt-Left Gov.org crap.

It is so good to know he is now the vast minority in the USA, and that real live adults that have worked, started business , did Built it and hired people, grown the business larger, employing more people and yes, dare I say it during the failing years of Obama, make a profit and become wealth.

Obama and his lazy ilk believed they had the right/power to tell us the workers that at some point you have made enough money. To that statement I proudly raise my middle finger at the sitting President and Hillary and Warren and that ilk of multi-millionaires enriched not by their own hand but by the bilking of tax payers.


The US Economic engine is about to get a full tune up and if you work hard and smart you too can be part of it, but, if your waiting as all Alt-Leftist are, for Government to take from the worker to give to y ou, well, you have a long ass wait.

KD, Beat Trump pay higher taxes said...

To be successful all Trump has to do :

Drop income rates for those that voted for him, you know the workers of the USA. Liberals do show some spine for once and continue paying in at your beloved Obama current rates.

Drop tax rates on US Businesses and Liberals do continue to pay in the higher rates, just do your taxes , figure the difference and send a check to Self Tax ,,, do it and defeat Trumps tax cutting agenda. .

wphamilton said...

It's great that some hospitals can explore whether patients can qualify for temporary benefits. What people desperately need is coverage for their health care, not simply hospitalization.

I see that link from Georgia, and it reminds me of the millions of people here who cannot be eligible because Georgia refused the expansion, deliberately, for the sole reason of making the ACA less effective. To PREVENT people from being covered, because they would NOT be eligible for medicaid. Let's not forget now that when someone says "those people with ObamaCare could have gotten medicaid before ACA" are talking about how THEY prevented their coverage in the first place.

C.H. Truth said...

WP - the expansion of Medicaid actually costs these States money. While the Federal Government promised to cover much of the costs up front, that cost will eventually be transferred to the States... and at that point, we will see if the states still think it's such a grand bargain. (and no, WP, you cannot blame the GOP for refusing to extend the benefits coming from the Federal Government).

The reality is that people always like free stuff, and it's easy to get elected by promising people free stuff. But it's hardly an adult manner in which to run a country. The person who offers the most people the most free stuff gets elected, while the person who realistically suggests that there are no means to pay for it... loses?

By your logic, why not expand medicaid out to everyone? Just offer free Government insurance to everyone and then figure out later how to pay for it. Considering large tax increases for the "rich" is not going to be flying anytime soon, tell me where the money comes from?

Medicaid is supposed to be for people living in poverty who cannot otherwise afford health insurance. Like most entitlements, it's meant as a fail saft to temporarily help people out of trouble... it's not meant as a long term solution to insurance coverage (unless someone's lifelong goal is to remain living below poverty levels).

wphamilton said...

Why can't I blame the GOP for refusing the Federal money for the expansion? That's exactly what they did, and it's the reason that we do have so many people living in poverty who have no access to health care.

rrb said...

Anonymous wphamilton said...
Why can't I blame the GOP for refusing the Federal money for the expansion?
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blame them all you want, wp. it doesn't change the fact that those who refused the $$$ saw it for what it was - a fiscal ticking bomb that they would be saddled with once the fed $$$ stopped coming in.

C.H. Truth said...

Why can't I blame the GOP for refusing the Federal money for the expansion?

Because it's illogical.

First: They never endorsed the idea in the first place

Second: the original concept of federal assistance was written into law to be temporary. Eventually every state that expanded medicaid would end up footing the bill. The fact that liberals may have assumed that they would still be in charge and that would allow them to continue to extend federal benefits beyond the original bill doesn't obligate the Republicans to do the same.

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Your logic would assume that whatever Trump decides to put into place, should continue to be extended past his Presidency, even if he is replaced by a Democrat who promised change. I am pretty sure you would not agree with that principle (as it pertains to Trump) so why (other than blatant hypocrisy) would you demand that the GOP extend Obama policy?


wphamilton said...

The "logic" is that one party screwed its poorest citizens to put pressure on a political opponent. And then brag about how those people haven't enrolled in ObamaCare when it was that party's own disruption of their own citizens that prevent it. Even here, you're proving my point by putting it all into partisan terms. Because that's what it was all about with the GOP wasn't it?

Yes, the clock is ticking on that "fiscal time bomb": in 2020 the government will only pay for 90% instead of 100%. Fiscally foolish decision by the GOP, you're darn right that we blame them for it.

KD, "Crushing Cost" of ObimboCare said...

Anonymous wphamilton said...
Why can't I blame the GOP for refusing the Federal money for the expansion? That's exactly what they did, and it's the reason that we do have so many people living in poverty who have no access to health care." Hyperbolic non-sense worthy of HB the Mutt

When did it become ok with you WP for the Federal Government to take my earnings and giving them to those that don't earn their own keep?
For their daily Bread
For the roof over their heads
For the clothing on their backs
For their heating in winter and cooling in summer
and this is the short list,,,

When did you come of the foundational thinking that what is earned by me , does not belong to me, but belongs to all.

C.H. Truth said...

The "logic" is that one party screwed its poorest citizens to put pressure on a political opponent.

The logic is about how much "free stuff" our Government can afford to give away. We are 20 trillion in debt, and it's growing.

Using a combination of "semantics" and "strawman" does not change the fundamental fact that the Federal Government does not have authority to demand states pay for benefits written into law by the Federal Congress. That was determined (rightfully so) by the courts. No where in their decision was there any consideration for how potential recipients might be labeled. As in,

No, constitutionally you cannot do that unless of course such a law benefits the "poorest citizens", and otherwise the states are "screwing them". Then it's okay.

I expect a little more from you on this one W.P.

Obamacare is not popular. Many states do not have the resources to expand medicaid long term. It may be argued that many of the states that "did" expand their medicaid will struggle to pay for it, once the bill comes due. There will be more painful tax increases. It may also be argued that these Governors made this decision out of loyalty to Obama more than out of loyalty to their state.




caliphate4vr said...

It's real world costs

With the state budget on the horizon, Huffman said his main concern is the cost of Medicaid.

“Two or three years ago, the governor, who totally ignored the general assembly, chose to take Medicaid expansion in the state of Ohio. And now the bill’s coming due,” he said.

The cost of the expansion was paid for 100 percent at the federal level, but in the next biennium, it is expected to cost the state about $400 million, he explained.

“If everything stays the same in the budget, we have to come up with $400 million,” Huffman said.

The Medicaid costs could be even bigger, he added, since the federal government said that state could no longer collect taxes on services provided through Medicaid managed care organizations, which collected hundreds of millions of dollars in matching federal Medicaid funds. This change could cost the state nearly $1.5 billion, Huffman said.

Huffman, from Tipp City, represents Ohio House District 80, which includes Miami County and part of Darke County.

caliphate4vr said...

Let's not forget now that when someone says "those people with ObamaCare could have gotten medicaid before ACA" are talking about how THEY prevented their coverage in the first place.

People with Obamacare have to be at least 138% above the FPL (federal poverty level). The expansion of Medicaid was from 101-138% FPL.

I'm not trying to be obtuse or argumentative, but I don't get your point?

opie said...

Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
It's real world costs

And let all those on medicare die.....they don't pay taxes anyway so who needs those parasites. Idiot.saleman.

caliphate4vr said...

And let all those on medicare die.....

We're discussing Medicaid, fatass

You're such a worthless troll

opie said...

We're discussing Medicaid, fatass\

Okay, let all those worthless poverty parasites die instead of worthless old people God you are a brilliant drunk.

Yes asshole and medicare is intertwined with medicaid or didn't you realize that?. Nice try, salesman, your grasp of the obvious and lack of ability to write a cogent thought relegates you to be the King of C&P. LOL

caliphate4vr said...

And you're so high right now, you didn't know the topic. Just wandered in to troll....

Later asswipe

Get that last word in, I know how much it means to you

wphamilton said...

I'm not trying to be obtuse or argumentative, but I don't get your point?

The expanded Medicaid plan is tied into the ACA coverage. You are touting the Medicaid coverage prior to ACA, telling us that it's why we don't need that ObamaCare, while at the same time championing keeping people off the Medicaid roles no matter what the cost.

How many people in that gap in Georgia. those 680,000 poor people, can actually afford the premiums for insurance in Georgia?

I don't go totally off the deep end about Republicans doing everything they can to prevent these people from having health care, but when you're bragging about how Medicaid was everything they needed, while at the same time you're keeping them from having either that's crossing a line.

caliphate4vr said...

The expanded Medicaid plan is tied into the ACA coverage. You are touting the Medicaid coverage prior to ACA, telling us that it's why we don't need that ObamaCare, while at the same time championing keeping people off the Medicaid roles no matter what the cost.

If that's the way I came across, I apologize. I have issues with the numbers the current admin touts to prop up this transference, 12-15 million people were eligible for Medicaid PRE Obamacare, to count 44% of the increased Medicaid enrollment, that were already eligible, is disingenuous if not an outright lie.


C.H. Truth said...

I think the question is...

Are these champions of the ACA cause citing the number of people "overall" that signed up for Medicaid since Obamacare became law... or are they just counting those who fell into the 100-138 percent range.

If it's the former (which I believe it is) then it's not accurate to state that the full number of sign ups is "because" of Obamacare. Many could have signed up had the medicaid expansion not been passed.

Similarly, the same holds true for the children who stay on their parents policy. Most states already have laws to that effect, and those children could have already stayed on had ACA not been written into law. Are they only counting those children who would otherwise not have been eligible or are they counting all of them. Again, the latter would be dishonest.