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Monday, March 13, 2017

An interesting take...

The buzz is that the CBO will show that the new GOP plan will reduce coverage by several millions. Those in the know say that these numbers will not just include those losing insurance... but also include people who went from "comprehensive" coverage to having what might otherwise be known as "catastrophic" coverage. Basically demanding that a so called reduction of coverage is the same thing as losing coverage.

With the House repeal bill under attack by Republican moderates worrying about coverage and conservatives fuming about entitlements and spending, the CBO assessment will matter. It’s widely expected early next week. Hall, in the post for two years, has signaled that his office won't soft-pedal the coverage assessments. If a health plan doesn't have comprehensive benefits, it won't count as coveragewww.politico.obamacare-repeal-congressional-budget-office 

But here is the rub. Currently the CBO is including in their numbers (as they should) all plans, including those that may be comprehensive, but have deductibles so high that they would only really kick in if they ran into a medical issue that many might label "catastrophic".

These are plans that in some case cost people several hundred dollars a month, but only kick in after several thousands of out of pocket expenses are paid first. Most of the people on these plans receive the highest amount of subsidies, as those who do not receive subsidies cannot afford it.

So this begs the question... what's really the difference between how many different things are covered, if you never get to the point of being able to be reimbursed? If given the option, many of these people would choose a much less expensive catastrophic plan. In fact the availability of such plans would lead to more coverage, not less... by almost every available means to measure. But not (according to the CBO) who will insist that only coverage that they deem acceptable can be counted.

This seems to be doubling down on Government overreach and Government stupidity. Government bureaucracy demand that everyone has to purchase the insurance they deem they should have. If an American citizens purchases another form of insurance that isn't what the Government believes that they should have, then another bureaucracy will claim they didn't actually purchase anything.

And people wonder why the 2016 electorate rejected the status quo?

140 comments:

rrb said...

If a health plan doesn't have comprehensive benefits, it won't count as coverage.
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so if a guy doesn't have coverage that includes a pap smear, or a great grandmother doesn't have coverage that includes pre-natal care, it doesn't count as coverage?

okey dokey.

and liberals wonder why we conservatives want to shrink government to the point we can drown it in a bathtub.

opie said...

CBO's numbers will be all wrong since they did such a poor job on Obama care. Yep, that will be the BS coming from the WH. Fuck the CBO, they do a crappy job and cannot be trusted, but you can trust us. SURE!!! I think that anyone with a clean bill of health, does not have to buy insurance since they don't need it. Yep, that'll make CH happy.

Roger Amick said...

The Congressional Budget Office.

You loved it when Obamacare numbers came in.

hypocrisy (hɪˈpɒkrəsɪ)
n, pl -sies
1. the practice of professing standards, beliefs, etc, contrary to one's real character or actual behaviour, esp the pretence of virtue and piety
2. an act or instance of this

Roger Amick said...

esp the pretence of virtue and piety

Fits the definition of hypocrisy by our esteemed host on this post.

Commonsense said...

No argument Rog? Fancy that you should call somebody else a hypocrite.

But that's just how you roll.

C.H. Truth said...

Actually Roger - The CBO numbers always over-inflated the effects of Obamacare. I guarantee you that you can go through both this blog and the old legacy blog...

and not find a single post I wrote that was favorable to anything the CBO stated on Obamacare. I think you would be hard pressed to find anything I ever wrote about the CBO that was positive.


But hey... at least you showed us that you have some understanding of the word hypocrisy, even if you have no evidence to apply it to this situation.

rrb said...




hey rog,

according to mark levin the CBO was hacked by the russians.

i think we need a special "merry fitzmas" to get to the bottom of this.

rrb said...



hoo boy!

MSDNC's lil ari melber has spotted a new "look! squirrel!"

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/after-pledging-donate-salary-trump-declines-release-proof-n732466

KD, When do the Obama Cost Saving Kick IN? said...

CBO is now the most trusted source for liberals, let's see how long that holds up.


Sure the CBO got ObamaCare completely fucking wrong, but, they will get this right.

Ok, yawn.

KD , Speaking of Interesting Takes said...

Roger Amick said...
The U6 you loved under Obama, is 5.7%

March 12, 2017 at 9:39 PM"

I love it when Roger Krugman attempts to talk about adult subjects and fails.


opie said...

CBO is now the most trusted source for liberals, let's see how long that holds up.

And you are the biggest idiot west of the Mississippi. And don't forget, the employment numbers were the biggest POS before they weren't. Hypocrites, all of you.

opie said...

The CBO numbers always over-inflated the effects of Obamacare

IOW's wrong and the numbers should be ignored. Keeping intact your views all polls suck, employment numbers are phony before they liked them. Models can't predict squat. Oh well, you should be a spokes man for trump with the crap you toss around....got tapp's And hillary met with the russians per a putin spokesman who should be believed. What a joke you have become. You are starting to make loretta look rational! Huge Chuckle.

rrb said...



the irony and hypocrisy is STRONG with this one:


MIT economics professor and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber said that any healthcare replacement law the GOP has in store is a “scam.”

“Any replace[ment] that they would pass would result in millions of Americans losing health insurance, would result in higher premiums, and would result in a huge redistribution from the poor to the rich," Gruber said on Boston Herald Radio's "Herald Drive" show with John Sapochetti and Rick Shaffer. "Now if they are happy with that and they are willing to do that, I wouldn’t call that a replacement, I would call that a scam.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/2017/03/obamacare_architect_jonathan_gruber_says_republicans_setting_up_a_scam?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Roger Amick said...

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/323652-cbo-millions-would-lose-coverage-under-gop-healthcare-plan

The Congressional Budget Office projects that 14 million people will lose coverage by 2018 under the Republican ObamaCare replacement bill.



The long-awaited analysis from the nonpartisan congressional scorekeeper is sure to shake up the debate over the measure, which is already facing sharp criticism from conservatives and many centrist Republicans.

The GOP bill repeals ObamaCare’s subsidies to buy coverage, replacing them with smaller tax credits, as well as the law’s Medicaid expansion after 2019. Both moves were expected to lead to coverage losses.

Republicans had expected that the CBO would show Americans losing coverage, and preemptively went on the offensive against the nonpartisan agency, whose director, Keith Hall, who was appointed by the GOP.

White House press secretary Sean Spicer last week argued CBO was “way off” in its ObamaCare projections. Our esteemed host took his orders, saluted and stated YES SIR. Seig Heil.

"If you're looking to the CBO for accuracy, you're looking in the wrong place,” he said.

White House budget director Mick Mulvaney, meanwhile, argued Sunday on ABC’s “This Week” that the CBO shouldn’t even try to analyze the bill.

“Sometimes we ask them to do stuff they’re not capable of doing, and estimating the impact of a bill of this size probably isn’t the best use of their time,” he said.

--This breaking news report will be updated.

Read the full CBO report here:

Roger Amick said...



4 have endeavored to develop estimates that are in the middle of the distribution of potential outcomes.
Macroeconomic Effects
Because of the magnitude of its budgetary effects, this legislation is “major legislation,” as defined in the rules of the House of Representatives.
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Hence, it triggers the requirement that the cost estimate, to the greatest extent practicable, include the budgetary impact of its macroeconomic effects. However, because of the very short time available to prepare this cost estimate, quantifying and incorporating those macroeconomic effects have not been practicable.
Intergovernmental and Private-Sector Mandates
JCT and CBO have reviewed the provisions of the legislation and determined that they would impose no intergovernmental mandates as defined in the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act (UMRA). JCT and CBO have determined that the legislation would impose private-sector mandates as defined in UMRA. On the basis of information from JCT, CBO estimates the aggregate cost of the mandates would exceed the annual threshold established in UMRA for private-sector mandates ($156 million in 2017, adjusted annually for inflation).
MAJOR PROVISIONS OF THE LEGISLATION
Budgetary effects related to health insurance coverage would stem primarily from the following provisions:


Eliminating penalties associated with the requirements that most people obtain health insurance coverage and that large employers offer their employees coverage that meets specified standards.


Reducing the federal matching rate for adults made eligible for Medicaid by the ACA to equal the rate for other enrollees in the state, beginning in 2020.


Capping the growth in per-enrollee payments for most Medicaid beneficiaries to no more than the medical care component of the consumer price index starting in 2020.
1.

Cl. 8 of Rule XIII of the Rules of the House of Representatives, H.R. Res. 5, 115th Congress (2017).

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Repealing current-law subsidies for health insurance coverage obtained through the nongroup market—which include refundable tax credits for premium assistance and subsidies to reduce cost-sharing payments—as well as the Basic Health Program, beginning in 2020.


Creating a new refundable tax credit for health insurance coverage purchased through the nongroup market beginning in 2020.


Appropriating funding for grants to states through the Patient and State Stability Fund beginning in 2018.


Relaxing the current-law requirement that prevents insurers from charging older people premiums that are more than three times larger than the premiums charged to younger people in the nongroup and small-group markets. Unless a state sets a different limit, the legislation would allow insurers to charge older people five times more than younger ones, beginning in 2018.


Removing the requirement, beginning in 2020, that insurers who offer plans in the nongroup and small-group markets generally must offer plans that cover at least 60 percent of the cost of covered benefits.


Requiring insurers to apply a 30 percent surcharge on premiums for people who enroll in insurance in the nongroup or small-group markets if they have been uninsured for more than 63 days within the past year. Other parts of the legislation would repeal or delay many of the changes the ACA made to the Internal Revenue Code that were not directly related to the law’s insurance coverage provisions. Those with the largest budgetary effects include:

Roger Amick said...




Repealing the surtax on certain high-income taxpayers’ net investment income;


Repealing the increase in the Hospital Insurance payroll tax rate for certain high-income taxpayers;


Repealing the annual fee on health insurance providers; and


Delaying when the excise tax imposed on some health insurance plans with high premiums would go into effect. In addition, the legislation would make several changes to other health-related programs that would have smaller budgetary effects.

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ESTIMATED COST TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
CBO and JCT estimate that, on net, enacting the legislation would decrease federal deficits by $337 billion over the 2017-2026 period (see Table 1). That change would result from a $1.2 trillion decrease in direct spending, partially offset by an $883 billion reduction in revenues.
BASIS OF ESTIMATE
For this estimate, CBO and JCT assume that the legislation will be enacted by May 2017. Costs and savings are measured relative to CBO’s March 2016 baseline projections, with adjustments for legislation that was enacted after that baseline was produced. The largest budgetary effects would stem from provisions in the recommendations from both committees that would affect insurance coverage. Those provisions, taken together, would reduce projected deficits by $935 billion over the 2017-2026 period. Other provisions would increase deficits by $599 billion, mostly by reducing tax revenues. All told, deficits would be reduced by $337 billion over that period, CBO and JCT estimate. (See Table 2 for the estimated budgetary effects of each major provision.)
Budgetary Effects of Health Insurance Coverage Provisions
The $935 billion in estimated deficit reduction over the 2017-2026 period that would stem from the insurance coverage provisions includes the following amounts (shown in Table 3):


A reduction of $880 billion in federal outlays for Medicaid;


Savings of $673 billion, mostly stemming from the elimination of the ACA’s subsidies for nongroup health insurance—which include refundable tax credits for premium assistance and subsidies to reduce cost-sharing payments—in 2020;


Savings of $70 billion mostly associated with shifts in the mix of taxable and nontaxable compensation resulting from net decreases in the number of people estimated to enroll in employment-based health insurance coverage; and


Savings of $6 billion from the repeal of a tax credit for certain small employers that provide health insurance to their employees.

7 Those decreases would be partially offset by:


A cost of $361 billion for the new tax credit for health insurance established by the legislation in 2020;


A reduction in revenues of $210 billion from eliminating the penalties paid by uninsured people and employers;


An increase in spending of $80 billion for the new Patient and State Stability Fund grant program; and


A net increase in spending of $43 billion under the Medicare program stemming from changes in payments to hospitals that serve a disproportionate share of low-income patients.

opie said...

28 million more uninsured, premiums to be 10% less than if the ACA in effect. IOW's premiums going up, especially those in the 50+ age poll who will be tagged with a 5x multiplier on the lowest rate. Yep, the CBO's numbers are pure bunk. LOL

Sure seems those midwest voters are going to get what they deserve!!!!!

Roger Amick said...

Methodology.
The legislation would change the pricing of nongroup insurance and the eligibility for and the amount of subsidies to purchase that insurance. It would also lead to changes in Medicaid eligibility and per capita spending. The legislation’s effects on health insurance coverage would depend in part on how responsive individuals are to changes in the prices, after subsidies, they would have to pay for nongroup insurance; on changes in their eligibility for public coverage; and on their underlying desire for such insurance. Effects on coverage would also stem from how responsive firms are to changes in those post subsidy prices and in the attractiveness of other aspects of nongroup alternatives to employment-based insurance. To capture those complex interactions, CBO uses a microsimulation model to estimate how rates of coverage and sources of insurance would change as a result of alterations in eligibility and subsidies for—and thus the net cost of—various insurance options. Based on survey data, that model incorporates a wide range of information about a representative sample of individuals and families, including their income, employment, health status, and health insurance coverage. The model also incorporates information from the research literature about the responsiveness of individuals and employers to price changes and the responsiveness of individuals to changes in eligibility for public coverage. CBO regularly updates the model so that it incorporates information from the most recent administrative data on insurance coverage and premiums. CBO and JCT use that model—in combination with models of tax revenues, models of Medicaid spending and actions by states, projections of trends in early retirees’ health insurance coverage, and other available information—to inform their estimates of the numbers of people with certain types of coverage and the associated federal budgetary costs.

Roger Amick said...

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For additional information, see Congressional Budget Office, “Methods for Analyzing Health Insurance Coverage” (accessed March 13, 2017), www.cbo.gov/topics/health-care/methods-analyzing-health-insurance-coverage.

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Effects of Repealing Mandate Penalties.
Eliminating the penalties associated with two requirements, while keeping the requirements themselves in place, would affect insurance coverage in various ways. Those two requirements are that most people obtain health insurance coverage (also called the individual mandate) and that large employers offer their employees health insurance coverage that meets specified standards (also called the employer mandate). Eliminating their associated penalties would reduce federal revenues starting in 2017, but CBO and JCT estimate that doing so would also substantially reduce the number of people with health insurance coverage and, accordingly, would reduce the costs incurred by the federal government in subsidizing some health insurance coverage. The estimated savings stemming from fewer people enrolling in Medicaid, in health insurance obtained through the nongroup market, and in employment-based health insurance coverage would exceed the estimated loss of revenues from eliminating mandate penalties. CBO and JCT estimate that repealing the individual mandate penalties would also result in higher health insurance premiums in the nongroup market after 2017.
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Insurers would still be required to provide coverage to any applicant, would not be able to vary premiums to reflect enrollees’ health status or to limit coverage of preexisting medical conditions, and would be limited in how premiums could vary by age. Those features are most attractive to applicants with relatively high expected costs for health care, so CBO and JCT expect that repealing the individual mandate penalties would tend to reduce insurance coverage less among older and less healthy people than among younger and healthier people. Thus, the agencies estimate that repealing those penalties, taken by itself, would increase premiums. Nevertheless, CBO and JCT anticipate that a significant number of relatively healthy people would still purchase insurance in the nongroup market because of the availability of government subsidies.

opie said...

TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICH!!!!!

Doubt if our esteemed host would be able to buy a cup of coffee with his cut of the savings.. Huge Chuckle

Roger Amick said...

ESTIMATE PREPARED BY: Federal Spending
Kate Fritzsche, Sarah Masi, Daniel Hoople, Robert Stewart, Lisa Ramirez-Branum, Andrea Noda, Allison Percy, Sean Lyons, Alexandra Minicozzi, Eamon Molloy, Ben Hopkins, Susan Yeh Beyer, Jared Maeda, Christopher Zogby, Romain Parsad, Ezra Porter, Lori Housman, Kevin McNellis, Jamease Kowalczyk, Noah Meyerson, T.J. McGrath, Rebecca Verreau, Alissa Ardito, and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation
Federal Revenues
Staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation
Impact on State, Local, and Tribal Governments
Leo Lex, Zachary Byrum, and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation
Impact on the Private Sector
Amy Petz and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation
ESTIMATE REVIEWED AND EDITED BY:
Mark Hadley, Theresa Gullo, Jeffrey Kling, Robert Sunshine, David Weaver, John Skeen, Kate Kelly, Jorge Salazar, and Darren Young
ESTIMATE APPROVED BY:
Holly Harvey Deputy Assistant Director for Budget Analysis Jessica Banthin Deputy Assistant Director for Health, Retirement, and Long-Term Analysts Chad Chirico Chief, Low-Income Health Programs and Prescription Drugs Cost Estimates Unit

(Billions of Dollars, by Fiscal Year)
20172018201920202021202220232024202520262017-20212017-2026
Coverage Provisions
Estimated Budget Authority-6.6-12.5-22.9-97.6-139.1-157.4-173.8-186.9-199.4-210.5-278.6-1,206.7Estimated Outlays-6.6-27.5-25.6-92.5-138.6-158.5-175.2-188.5-201.3-212.0-290.7-1,226.2
Non Coverage Provisions
Estimated Budget Authority0.3-0.5-0.70.61.7-0.21.01.10.70.01.33.8Estimated Outlays-0.10.3-0.10.81.80.50.81.51.30.32.77.1
Total Changes in Direct Spending
Estimated Budget Authority-6.3-13.0-23.6-97.1-137.4-157.6-172.8-185.8-198.7-210.5-277.4-1,202.8Estimated Outlays-6.7-27.2-25.7-91.7-136.9-158.0-174.3-187.0-200.0-211.7-288.1-1,219.1
Coverage Provisions
-3.8-13.7-16.8-25.5-33.6-36.4-38.9-40.4-41.0-40.7-93.5-290.9
Non Coverage Provisions
-2.1-37.5-41.8-57.6-65.1-70.2-76.0-83.1-79.7-78.7-204.2-591.9
Total Changes in Revenues
-5.9-51.2-58.6-83.1-98.7-106.6-114.9-123.5-120.6-119.4-297.6-882.8
Net Increase or Decrease (-) in the Deficit
-0.824.033.0-8.6-38.2-51.3-59.4-63.5-792018.4-92.49.4-336.5Sources: Congressional Budget Office; staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation. Notes: The costs of this legislation fall within budget function 550 (health), 570 (Medicare), 600 (Income Security), and 650 (Social Security). AHCA = American Health Care Act; numbers may not add up to totals because of rounding.a. b.For revenues, a negative number indicates a decrease (adding to the deficit).


The Big Republican lie says that no insurance companies can't go across state lines. It is LEGAL

14,000,000 people will lose coverage by 2018, when the Republicans will lose the house and senate.

Roger Amick said...

The CHT and rrb campaign slogan would be "Hurry Up And Die"

KD, WOW Roger Krugman that was some Puking Spam said...

the employment numbers were the biggest POS before they weren't. Hypocrites, all of you. "


No the unemployment numbers have always been the numbers, the fact they Obama had shitty ones and never got the gdp for a year over 3 percent and put millions more in poverty and out of their homes and the list is endless.

But, the "8 Lost Years" are over, yet the damage remains, President Trump and us with jobs are working to clean it up, just sit on the sidelines and enjoy.

Roger Amick said...

CBO: 14M more Americans won't have health insurance next year if GOP plan adopted
The Congressional Budget Office released its report on the Republican's health care plan, saying that an estimated 14 million more people will be uninsured next year if the plan becomes law.

The report estimates that by 2018, "14 million more people would be uninsured under the legislation than under current law."

One of the biggest changes between the new health care plan and the Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare, is that there is no penalty for people who do not sign up for insurance. The CBO states that taking that requirement out is one of the biggest contributing factors to the increase in the number of those uninsured.

"Most of that increase would stem from repealing the penalties associated with the individual mandate. Some of those people would choose not to have insurance because they chose to be covered by insurance under current law only to avoid paying the penalties, and some people would forgo insurance in response to higher premiums," the report states.

The number of those uninsured under the proposed plan only continues to grow over time: 21 million more people uninsured by 2020 than would be under Obamacare. That number climbs to 24 million by 2026, according to the CBO.

"In 2026, an estimated 52 million people would be uninsured, compared with 28 million who would lack insurance that year under current law," the report states.

The GOP plan would decrease the federal deficit by $337 billion between 2017 and 2026.

The CBO is a nonpartisan agency that produces budget and economic projections, along with cost estimates of pending legislation that project how bills would affect federal spending and revenues.

The agency’s report on the GOP's American Health Care Act will give lawmakers and the American people a more complete picture of the GOP plan and what it would do if passed. Depending on the estimates, it could help determine how many members of Congress vote for it – and whether the bill passes the House and Senate.

White House and administration officials started undermining the CBO results days ahead of its release, with press secretary Sean Spicer saying on March 8 that "if you're looking to the CBO for accuracy, you're looking in the wrong place," pointing to the CBO's 2010 reports on the Affordable Care Act.

"Anyone who can do basic math can understand their projections for Obamacare the last time were way, way off the mark,” he said.

Asked if the numbers are legitimate in today's briefing, Spicer said, "All I'm suggesting to you is the numbers they did the last time they did health care were off by more than 50 percent when it came to the number of people insured. That's not my interpretation. That's a fact."

The March 2010 report from the CBO on Obamacare was way off in its estimates of marketplace enrollment. In 2010 the CBO projected that by 2016 21 million people would have health insurance via the ACA marketplaces, but in reality, that number was closer to 12 million.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cbo-14m-americans-health-insurance-year-gop-plan/story?id=46093378

KD, US Economy got more good news today said...

Roger Krugman, when did you become so dependent upon the US Government ?

Was it when your wife and you began bilking the Medical System because you two failed in every way to take care of yourselves?

Commonsense said...

14,000,000 people will lose coverage by 2018, when the Republicans will lose the house and senate.

The report says 14 million would choose to drop coverage next year if they weren't force to buy it.

I don't think they are voting Democrat.

Roger Amick said...

Budget analysis: ObamaCare repeal would result in millions more uninsured K
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would result in millions more uninsured
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ObamaCare overhaul faces criticism from both parties

Congressional budget scorekeepers released their highly anticipated analysis of Republicans’ ObamaCare repeal bill late Monday, estimating millions more people would be uninsured under their legislation – though it would reduce the federal deficit.

The Congressional Budget Office predicted 14 million more people would be uninsured in 2018, with that number growing to 24 million by 2026.

The projections are likely to fuel opponents who warn the measure would toss millions of voters off insurance plans. Republican supporters of the repeal plan, however, for days have downplayed the significance of the CBO findings, noting that the same office’s coverage projections for the original Affordable Care Act were off by millions.

Further, President Trump and congressional allies contend the current law is unsustainable.

“It’s imploding,” Trump said in a meeting earlier Monday with Americans the White House described as “victims” of ObamaCare.

Trump vowed that the Republican plan eventually would bring insurance costs “down, down, down.”

The CBO report, compiled along with staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation, determined that the Republicans’ American Health Care Act also would save money for taxpayers. According to the study, it would reduce federal deficits by $337 billion from 2017 to 2026.

“The largest savings would come from reductions in outlays for Medicaid and from the elimination of the Affordable Care Act’s (ACA’s) subsidies for nongroup health insurance. The largest costs would come from repealing many of the changes the ACA made to the Internal Revenue Code—including an increase in the Hospital Insurance payroll tax rate for high-income taxpayers” and other taxes,” the report said.

The report’s estimate on the number of uninsured surely will be used to bolster critics’ case against the plan. Criticism has come from Democrats, Republicans from states that benefit from Obama's law and many corners of the health-care industry.

According to the CBO, the projected loss in insurance coverage is related mostly to a provision repealing penalties associated with the ACA’s requirement to buy insurance.

“Some of those people would choose not to have insurance because they chose to be covered by insurance under current law only to avoid paying the penalties, and some people would forgo insurance in response to higher premiums,” the CBO said.

Trump backs the GOP plan. Our host saluted and said YES SIR MR PRESIDENT

rrb said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
The CHT and rrb campaign slogan would be "Hurry Up And Die"
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captain cut n' paste...

HE LIVES!!!

14 million lose coverage?

shit rog, you guys never had that many people on 0linsky-care to begin with.


btw, here's the best plan i've seen so far:


"Step One: Repeal Obamacare. Put a stake through its heart and leave its head on a pike. So maybe the Democrats won’t vote for a replacement. Good. They’re the party of trough-gorging welfare cheats, not us. It’s their constituents who want the free stuff – yours are the sheep these bums shear. No Obamacare replacement is their problem. See how long the Dems can play the obstruction game with their freeloading voters screaming “Gimme!”

Step Two: Stop trying to plan everything. We can do it ourselves. Lift the regulations and let us buy whatever coverage we want from whatever state we want. Operate under the general principle that every American adult is expected to pay for his own healthcare. Most importantly, stop trying to ameliorate the consequences of bad decisions. If you want to have fewer bad decisions, the very best way to achieve that lofty goal is to let bad things happen to stupid people.

Done. There’s your health care reform."

--Kurt Schlichter

opie said...

An impending disaster for 24 million americans who will lose healthcare and maybe their life. Good plan, donnie and the right have planned. Wonder how many of those live in Ohio, Pa and Wisc. and voted against their own interested. And liberals are naturally to blame. Got Tapps????

rrb said...

14,000,000 people will lose coverage by 2018, when the Republicans will lose the house and senate.
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oh.... i'm not worried about losing the house. and the senate? 10 democrats are up for reelection in states that trump WON.

don't get too cocky there, mr. LANDSLIDE.

if you of all people is predicting democrat victories, the GOP is in EXCELLENT shape.

KD, CBO report a Positive for new Law said...

The CBO scoring was good for this Bill.

Dems will come on board now and vote for it and this will become the law of the Land, and after it passes is signed by President Trump, the Democrats promise not to challenge it in court.

Now on the tax breaks for those of us that earn them.

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opie said...


shit dog, you guys never had that many people on 0linsky-care to begin with.

Really????? Proof would be different coming from alternative fact rat. LOL Lowest uninsured rate evah!!! 8.8%

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/14/the-rate-of-uninsured-americans-hits-a-record-low-as-obamacares-future-remains-a-question-mark.html

Loretta Russo said...

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rrb said...


read your own post, alky:


"According to the CBO, the projected loss in insurance coverage is related mostly to a provision repealing penalties associated with the ACA’s requirement to buy insurance.

“Some of those people would choose not to have insurance because they chose to be covered by insurance under current law only to avoid paying the penalties, and some people would forgo insurance in response to higher premiums,” the CBO said."


your dear leader and his minions created a clusterfuck that millions found unaffordable. what the GOP is doing is freeing them from a crushing mandate. consider it "PRO-CHOICE" for health insurance. let the buyer beware, and feel free to do so.



KD, said...

14,000,000 people will lose coverage by 2018"

Really, Roger Krugman , do tell, why is that going to happen, are they losing their jobs..... or is it because they are having to get off my paycheck ?


They should call it "The Interloper Reduction Act"

Loretta Russo said...

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Roger Amick said...

You have your orders: "The CBO report is not accurate".

KD said...

RRB, Roger Krugman never reads his cut n Spam.


So many are going to self-deport from Obama Care.

Great Report , thanks CBO.

opie said...

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March 13, 2017 at 4:08 PM

loretta's busy fingers adding nothing.....go play the marine corps hymn on your hubby's flute. At least someone might enjoy your sparkling intellect. CHUCKLE!!!

rrb said...



from your link, d0pie:


The data come from a survey released Tuesday by the National Center for Health Statistics, a division of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The report found a "significant" drop in the number of adults who were uninsured for more than a year between 2015 and the first nine months of 2016.

For 2015, 9.1 percent of adults reported having been uninsured for more than a year. In the first nine months of 2016, 7.6 percent of adults reported having been uninsured for more than a year.

The report was cited by advocates of Obamacare, more formally known as the Affordable Care Act, as they push back against Republican-led efforts to repeal the law.



LOL. so i'm supposed to trust government stats regarding a law they remain desperate to prop up as it grenades itself.

Roger Amick said...

I posted from the Hill and ABC, not the New York Time or the Washington post yet.

The Alzheimer's twit is worse

Kansas Republicans have damaged brains.

Roger Amick said...

The CBO report isn't spam Wittless.

rrb said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
You have your orders: "The CBO report is not accurate".
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i trust it about as much as i trust YOUR BLS U-6 interpretations.

opie said...


Really, Roger Krugman , do tell, why is that going to happen

Read the report, their ground rules are very clear. But, the lazy farmer has his goats to tend. Chuckle

You assholes now own it. GOOD!!! I'm sure those 24 million will thank you profusely.

KD, Ole Stupid Roger Krugman going nuts @ the CBO Report said...

Roger Krugman, please.


RRB and I have told you the CBO numbers are just fine.

Commonsense said...

Roger is upset because Republicans don't want to force people to buy insurance.

rrb said...

Roger Amick said...
I posted from the Hill and ABC, not the New York Time or the Washington post yet.
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easier than squeezing an original thought out of that gin-soaked cranium of yours.

Loretta Russo said...

Chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle

Chuckling in his daughter's pink panties.

opie said...

i trust it about as much as i trust YOUR BLS U-6 interpretations.

Or ch's mental masturbation that is dribbling down your leg.....

opie said...

Chuckling in his daughter's pink panties.

Keep practicing your skin flute, loretta.

KD, This will save me a lot of money said...

Opie when Roger Krugman farts do you need a breath mint?

The CBO report is fine with me, shows YUGE Cost savings.

It is far better report then ObamaCare got, so I am good with it.

I am better with it because the choice of having or not having Health Insurance is back in the hands of those of us that pay our own way.

rrb said...

Commonsense said...
Roger is upset because Republicans don't want to force people to buy insurance.
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that's really what this is all about. rog is throwing a hissy because some government brownshirt won't be able to press a pistol against your skull as they separate you from your wallet.

imagine...

granting a level of freedom and liberty to an individual to let them make a choice of their own free will.

the fact that that's a novel idea in this day and age in america is chilling.

Loretta Russo said...

"easier than squeezing an original thought out of that gin-soaked cranium of yours."

His oversized jaw attached to his undersized cranium.

opie said...

Roger is upset because Republicans don't want to force people to buy insurance.

Which will cost people like you lots of money as healthy people drop out of the pool you are in and insurance companies can raise your rate from 3x to 5x their lowest rate group.. Too stupid for words, menstral.

Loretta Russo said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

KD, Choice is back in style said...

Commonsense said...
Roger is upset because Republicans don't want to force people to buy insurance. "

Yep. couple that with the fact that I can now buy the coverage I need and I will save thousands a year.

Roger Krugman is still dealing with a Hillary Schlonging by the Russians, Putin pumped her full with his Hammer.

opie said...

Anonymous KD, This will save me a lot of money said...
Okie when Roger Krugman farts do you need a breath mint?

When loretta posts, do you cum in your hand??????

KD, Economy got more good news from CBO said...

Opie you and Roger Krugman are both on Medicaid, are you worried?

KD, Opie is fun said...

When loretta posts, do you cum in your hand??????"


Nope.

Loretta Russo said...

No, but when you defend the drunkard he cums in your mouth.

Commonsense said...

Opie is sure obsessed about sex lately. That's usually indicative of someone for which absence of sex is a regular occurrence.

I would recommend prayer and a cold shower for him.

But since he hates God, he'll just have to do with the cold shower.

opie said...

24 million to lose health care. You now have an albatross around your collective necks. Good.

water water everywhere and not a drop to drink......

Loretta Russo said...

He's cranky cause Roger has an overbite....

rrb said...

Yep. couple that with the fact that I can now buy the coverage I need and I will save thousands a year.
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i know a number of people who are using medi-share and the like and are very satisfied with it. these folks are small business owners, self employed, etc. so i guess you could say that they really are insured. just not in a way the government approves.

of course medi-share and plans like it are christian sponsored. so of course the government disapproves.

now, if you had moose-limb share, the government would be fine with it.

go figure.

KD said...

If a health plan doesn't have comprehensive benefits, it won't count as coverage. "

That is just wrong. Pre- Enslavement by ObamaCare I carried catastrophic insurance and funded the day to day stuff with cash, at the time (pre UNACA) my doctor took cash.

So , we will be returning to that way of business , cheaper by far, less paper work for him, better care for me and mine.

CBO Report Rocks, makes this bill so much better then ObimboWelfareCare.

Oh and for those on Medicare or Caid. Reducing your benefits is going to happen and I could not be happier about it.

You are a WARD of THE STATE.

Commonsense said...

Which will cost people like you lots of money as healthy people drop out of the pool you are in

Here's a clue for you. Healthy people were never in the pool.

That's why Obamacare is in a death spiral.

KD, NY getting snow Shutting down , wimps said...

Loretta Russo said...
He's cranky cause Roger has an overbite...."



LOL

Bless their Hearts.

Heart Land is getting stronger.

opie said...

Loretta Russo said...
He's cranky cause Roger has an overbite...

That's what your marine says about you, loretta.

Hey goat farmer....do loretta a favor and give her a good squirt, she can use the protein.

rrb said...

Here's a clue for you. Healthy people were never in the pool.

That's why Obamacare is in a death spiral.
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LMAO.

you have to spell it all out for the d0pe and the alky.


opie said...

Here's a clue for you. Healthy people were never in the pool.

Really, another alternate fact proffered by our floriduh failure. Yer an idiot. Link or another big bullshit on you. Chuckle.

KD, CBO Report Pro Trump Reform said...

Here's a clue for you. Healthy people were never in the pool.

That's why Obamacare is in a death spiral. "

Opium should ask herself this question.


IF ObamaCare was such a wonderful deal for the healthy young people why did the Dem only passed law have to have Punitive Harsh Penalties?

caliphate4vr said...

Remember this CBO prediction? It's actually about half.

According to the current estimates, from 2016 on, between 20 million and 23 million people will receive coverage through the new insurance exchanges, and 16 million to 17 million additional people will be enrolled in Medicaid and CHIP as a result of ACA. Also, 3 million to 5 million fewer people will have coverage through an employer compared with the number under prior law

rrb said...

Anonymous KD said...
If a health plan doesn't have comprehensive benefits, it won't count as coverage. "
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and there's the fucking problem.

great grandma's have little use for neo-natal care coverage.

roger can't seem to wrap his head around that basic factoid.

opie said...

aliphate4vr said...
Remember this CBO prediction? It's actually about half.

The not insured number is at historic lows....They also got their prediction of premium costs very close with the ACA actually being under their $5K estimate, and also came close to the total insured. Yep, count on pauline to accentuate the negative as the WH as predicted call the CBO numbers BS. But thanx for trying. You lose again.

opie said...

That's why Obamacare is in a death spiral

Is that like a death panel???? Idiot. You getting any of the tax breaks or are you just getting screwed like you deserve????

opie said...

Next up.....donnie complaining the press is being completely biased covering his trump care roll out. Shocking.

Commonsense said...

Texas state rep proposes fines for masturbation

A Texas state representative has introduced legislation that would fine men for masturbating and require them to undergo counseling before obtaining a prescription for Viagra, in an effort to highlight anti-abortion laws that place restrictions on women.

The legislation introduced by state Rep. Jessica Farrar (D) would impose a $100 civil penalty for "masturbatory emissions" that take place outside of a woman's vagina or a hospital. Each incident would be "considered an act against an unborn child, and failing to preserve the sanctity of life," the bill reads.


Well, either the Democrats will be in the wilderness for a LEAST a generation or we're all going to hell in a handbasket.

Loretta Russo said...

Liberals have a lot of damn nerve.

Bitching, nothing but bitching.

The GOP shouldn't have to be wasting time fixing what they fucked up.

Ungrateful jackasses.

KD, Heart Land Won Last Election said...

Ette, exactly, the poured the gas, they lit the match and they burned down the house, now they bitch about how we are cleaning it up and rebuilding.

They should be thanking President Trump

Roger Amick said...

Rich will win 256,000.0200 tax cuts.

"Every one will be covered and prices won't go up"

President Trump.

KD said...

CBO came close, omg, you are a very special ED kind of stupid.


Obama stated and CBO agreed it would not cost over 900 billion, like that was some kind of fucking bargin, over 10 years, well, we are not yet to the 10 year mark and we have already done a victory lap around that number and are headed to 2 trillion.

CBO said the Trump fix. will save US Tax payers .


opie said...


The GOP shouldn't have to be wasting time fixing what they fucked up

they had 8 years voting for repeal, to have something ready to go day one. All they did was blame the D's for a failing plan which really is not failing....58 million uninsured in 10 years....GREAT PLAN, idiotsIt's the press's fault for the bad coverage....Keep practicing loretta, it's good for your lungs!!!!

KD, LOL @ Roger Krugman said...

256,000.0200" Roger Krugman MAth

goat lover said...

you are a very special ED kind of stupid.

Brilliant post, idiot.

KD, Heart Land Winning said...

58 million uninsured in 10 years....GREAT PLAN"
Opie has Roger Krugman syndrome

KD, Hillary Clinton Plan ??? said...

this is close according to RKS

Was to cost 900 Billion

Ended up costing 2.1 Trillion


For those that love them some Fed Gov, hell , that is close.

opie said...

And donnie claimed he save millions of dollars on the f-35 option contract. I guess a lie is good when donnie does it....got tapp????

opie said...

Okie has Roger Krugman syndrome

Read the report, idiot. But, reading is not your strong suit, goat breath.

caliphate4vr said...

they had 8 years voting for repeal,

Really? Then how did it pass, fatty? I mean Donks controlled the executive and legislative less than 8 years ago!!

Were you dropped on your head that much or was it the paint chips?

Loretta Russo said...

"Rich will win 256,000.0200 tax cuts."

Big deal.

Commonsense said...

Roger's upset because Republicans refuse the steal the working class's money anymore than it has to.

opie said...

Sorry, 52 million total uninsured in 2026

https://www.nytimes.com

Loretta Russo said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL


Chuckling little girl.

Loretta Russo said...

"Were you dropped on your head that much or was it the paint chips?"

Crack.

Commonsense said...

I can say with absolute certainty that after the Republicans finish repealing Obamacare.

Anyone who wants health insurance will be able to buy health insurance at a rate they can afford.

califathead forevah said...


Really? Then how did it pass, fatty?

Not with any republicon votes drunkard, just like trump care is going to be done without D help and in a huge rush. idiot. They promise repeal from day one and started running on it. Now you got it, you own this steaming pile of loretta.....the flies are circling.

opie said...

Anyone who wants health insurance will be able to buy health insurance at a rate they can afford.

Sure they will.

Commonsense said...

You bet.

Roger Amick said...

Spicer's "explanation" of the president's tweets is a clear indication that they think the American people are pretty dumb.

He said the President didn't mean that Obama didn't order wiretapping.

Spencer is an Oscar© awards winner.

Roger Amick said...

The Apprentice President is such a child.

His comments are in the style of a guy in a La-Z-Boy shouting at the television, except the guy in the La-Z-Boy has 26 million Twitter followers and controls a nuclear arsenal that could destroy the world many times over.

Fox News’s morning show flashes a graphic alleging that 122 released “Gitmo prisoners reengaged in terrorism.” Within an hour, Trump tweets from the White House: “122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!” (As The Post’s Jenna Johnson pointed out, 113 of the 122 were released during the George W. Bush administration.)

A “Fox & Friends” host calls for Trump to block federal funding to universities that try to “silence conservative voices,” after violent protests at the University of California at Berkeley over a speech by conservative provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos. Half an hour later, Trump tweets: “If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view — NO FEDERAL FUNDS?”

Fox News’s “O’Reilly Factor” cites statistics about crime in Chicago. An hour later, Trump tweets the same statistics: “If Chicago doesn’t fix the horrible ‘carnage’ going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 24% from 2016), I will send in the Feds!”

Fox News labels Chelsea Manning an “ungrateful traitor” who had called President Barack Obama a “weak leader.” Fourteen minutes later, CNN’s Brian Stelter notes, Trump tweets: “Ungrateful TRAITOR Chelsea Manning, who should never have been released from prison, is now calling President Obama a weak leader. Terrible!”

Fox News’s Tucker Carlson airs a report alleging that Sweden has been trying to “cover up” an outburst of violence caused by Muslim immigrants. The next day, Trump tells a crowd in Florida: “You look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden? Who would believe this?”
Swedes have no idea what Trump is talking about; an international incident ensues.

Today the poor press guy had to say that wiretapps were not really wiretrapps.

Loretta Russo said...

Still trying to get attention?

Spam by the drunkard.

Roger Amick said...

Your obsession with me is strange. Your hero can post 400 word comments stolen from hot air you climax on the tea board.

Loretta Russo said...

You need to do something about that overbite, it's killing little Opie.

Roger Amick said...

According to the CBO, this law were to pass, 14 MILLION people would lose health insurance by 2018 (next year), and 24 million by 2026. The cost of premiums would go up, especially for older Americans. Even more Americans would be uninsured than before Obamacare became law.

Loretta Russo said...

Spam it FIVE more times, drunkard.

Roger Amick said...

Steve King

@SteveKingIA

Wilders understands that culture and demographics are our destiny. We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies. https://twitter.com/v_of_europe/status/840724494113206272 …


Washington (CNN)Rep. Steve King doubled down Monday on comments he made over the weekend in which he appeared to criticize foreigners and immigrants, drawing complaints of insensitivity on social media and from some of his Hill colleagues including from within his own party.


the rrb "let the beaner's bodies rot" will agree with Representative King.


King, a prominent Iowa Republican and a vocal advocate against illegal immigration, tweeted Sunday, "We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies."
Asked by CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day" to clarify his comments, King said he "meant exactly what I said."

"You cannot rebuild your civilization with somebody else's babies. You've got to keep your birth rate up, and that you need to teach your children your values," King said, paraphrasing remarks he said he's delivered to audiences in Europe. "In doing so, you can grow your population, you can strengthen your culture, and you can strengthen your way of life."

King said he'd like to see less of an emphasis on race in the future.

Roger Amick said...

Twit, this is a political blog. If you don't like what I say, do us a favor and disappear. No one would miss you.

Loretta Russo said...

Illegal spamming by the drunkard.

Loretta Russo said...

If you need to spam drunkard, spam the blog you ruined - the trash blog - the place for white trash spammers.

KD, Hillary Lost , Liberals still Protesting that Election, dumbasses said...

Exactly, the liberal will always attempt to take advantage of the kindness of the Conservative.

CHT was nice enough to give the Alky his own trash blog, yet, that is not enough, the idiot failure Roger Krugman has to come on the Adult side and spam.

Day 55 or so of President Trump and the predictions of the Liberals are all wrong about him, just like they got him all wrong during the Election , he outsmarted and out worked all of them, Hillary really never had a chance after the unforced error when she called US the voter :

"The full quote ran as follows:

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic – you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets offensive, hateful, mean-spirited rhetoric. "

And you lost, in spectacular class-less manner.

KD said...

Roger Krugman, I notice you leave out the massive cost savings to us that pay taxes to the endless pit that is the US Government welfare state.

Why is it Cost to the tax payer is left out of any discussion with you liberals.

And why has this shaken you and yours, is it because you fear having to pay for your wife and your high usages of the US Health Care System.

Me and mine are going to save thousands a year as soon as this becomes "The Law of the LAND" and when it does, no liberal will challenge it in court, because to do so will again, expose you as hypocrites.

Commonsense said...

Roger never had and will never have the guts to start his own blog.

Like all parasites, he just lives off CH's reputation.

That's what makes his bragging about pageviews particularly pathetic.

caliphate4vr said...

Hey liver I showed the CBO overestimated the number of enrollees in Bumblecare was off by half, were they right then?

KD, Pay for it Elite Liberals said...

That's what makes his bragging about pageviews particularly pathetic."

Exactly. What page views. he has 23 thread topics, 6 responses and 2 of them are his posting on his own topic.

I wonder IF CBO took into account the number of people that are going to be added as this economy grows and they take new jobs?

The "interloper Class" created by ObimboCare and now is going to have to find jobs is what is bothering the left.

IF they really cared all those billionaires and Millionaires in the US would form a Insurance Group, self fund it and problem is solved.

Will they, no , because they love their money and OPM.

I like this post:

Anyone who wants health insurance will be able to buy health insurance at a rate they can afford."

I like it because it is true.

Like anywhere in life you get what you work hard for, IF you don't earn enough to drive a BMW like my wife does, then you have to drive a VW or take the bus or walk.


KD, Tax Dollars Matter again, said...

So When CBO "scored" ObamaCare they over estimated the number of people that would sign up, they underestimated the cost by over a trillion dollars , nice.

opie said...

They were right by half....idiot. Saying and repeating something is wrong does not make it wrong. See CH and the models are wrong idiocy.

Here's what is representing donnie.

“There are many ways to surveil each other,” Conway said in a Sunday interview with the Record, a New Jersey newspaper. “There was an article this week that talked about how you can surveil someone through their phones, through certainly their television sets — any number of different ways. Microwaves that turn into cameras, et cetera. So we know that is just a fact of modern life.”

Airing a clip of that quote, Smith responded: “Fox News can now confirm microwaves heat food.”

Next califat head's inane comment. LOL

KD, Pay as you go said...

The painful loss by Hillary Clinton is still hanging heavy on the liberals, now that ObamaCare has been on fire for years, burning down to the ground and taking 2 trillion dollars with it, the left still believe, IF Only Hillary would have won, ObamaCare would be saved by HER.

Not. So it is up to the President to make the required deals to get the votes and begin to rebuild the US Health Care Delivery System and restore freedom.

This can not be overstated, the freedom from government is who we are as a nation, it is one of the four cornerstones of this Nation. Returning the choice to WE THE PEOPLE. IF I don't want a health insurance policy, I have the right not to own one.

However , IF I want one , I have to pay for it.

Is this beyond Roger Krugman and Opium?

We shall see.

caliphate4vr said...

Lead poisoning from paint chips is a horrible thing. The unoriginal fatty is living proof

rrb said...

Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
Hey liver I showed the CBO overestimated the number of enrollees in Bumblecare was off by half, were they right then?
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


it looks like the CBO has been consistently wrong...


Reports have suggested that the Congressional Budget Office will release their analysis this week of the American Health Care Act, including the all-important forecast of how many Americans will lose coverage. The office’s track record is, well, not very good. CBO vastly overestimated the number of Americans who would enroll on the exchanges and pay the individual mandate penalty. Each year, CBO revised their estimates lower and lower, and still never quite predicted how weak the enrollment would be. This post is not meant as a critique of CBO’s methodology, but rather a frank recognition that even the best experts cannot predict, with any accuracy, the impact of such a massive government program. Indeed, in June 2014, CBO threw in the towel on scoring Obamacare’s complete impacts:

“The provisions that expand insurance coverage established entirely new programs or components of programs that can be isolated and reassessed,” the office wrote.

“In contrast, other provisions of the Affordable Care Act significantly modified existing federal programs and made changes to the Internal Revenue Code.

“Isolating the incremental effects of those provisions on previously existing programs and revenues four years after enactment of the Affordable Care Act is not possible.”

http://joshblackman.com/blog/2017/03/12/the-accuracy-of-the-cbos-obamacare-forecasts/


opie said...

it looks like the CBO has been consistently wrong...

That's all you r's got....it's wrong. You and price are a joke. If it is wrong by 50% many people who voted for trump get fucked.....good.

opie said...


Anonymous califathead forever said...
Lead poisoning from paint chips is a horrible thing. The unoriginal fatty is living proof



Gee, the inane comment as predicted. Simple minds make stupid posters. LOL

caliphate4vr said...

And you are hands down the simplest, fatty

caliphate4vr said...

Be sure to get the last word, fatty

We know how much it means t you

Douchebag

opie said...

Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
Be sure to get the last word, fatty

That's the best you got drunkard?? Feel better now, little man. Your intellect is as awesome as the kansan skin flute player. LOL Idiot, as you react exactly as a troll should and so easy to make look foolish. All yours numbnutz.

KD, Anti- Roger Krugman Approach to Investing said...

We were not founded on Liberal OPM Principals.

We need to go forward under the Real US Constitution.

USSC Roberts and others are locked in to what ever President Trump Signs into law as the Law of the Land for Health Care.

I want only two things, no mandate to own a policy and no interloper policies.

I took money out of the stock market this morning , pre- opening, it was time the YUGE run up has been great, I made a lot of money, Thank You Mr President and My kids 529 Plans have thousands of more dollars in them.

If one stays in to long after matching the stated up side goal, one tends to get slaughtered like a PIG.

SO for me, my up side has been reached and then some, so time to get conservative , wait for a true correction and then buy in again.

opie said...

I took money out of the stock market this morning

So much for your belief in the trump economy and boom...it's over after 50 odd days. Impressive POTUS so far.

KD said...

Good to hear you are still all in the Trump Stock market Opium.

The facts are simple, I invest to make money, to fund my kids thru college so when they come out they are 100 % student debt free.
I invest for my wife to have the life with total financial freedom.

I will never take a dime in payouts from Social Insecurity nor Medicare.

Can you say the same, do you have the same financial freedoms I do.

The Trump Economy is doing fine, do not , as most retarded liberals do, confuse investing in stocks with the US Economy and how well it is doing.

We Conservatives have repeatedly taught you liberals that lesson, and it seems again you failed to learn.

opie said...

In spite of CH's lament, american excetptionalism is alive and well and innovating

The development and wide distribution of this innovative technology will ensure
American leadership in low cost energy production for years to come.

https://biggeekdad.com/2010/11/turbo-encabulator/#.WKvUfdEXkjE.

KD said...

Helping Odopie and Roger Krugman.

There is a old rule that is true today.


Never Fight the Federal Reserve.

Janet Yelling, is still in office and setting landmines.

She did not raise rates the entire time Obama was in office, until, Trump was elected, now she is going to raise rates for a second time in 4 months and will raise rate two more times after that, stomping on the brakes as to hurt this economy and punish the Trump Voters.

That is not her job, but, it is why she is doing it.




"Fed, in shift, may move to faster pace of rate hikes

By Ann Saphir and Lindsay Dunsmuir

ReutersMarch 14, 2017"

caliphate4vr said...

fatty fell for a 70 year old joke


Turboencabulator
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The turboencabulator or turbo-encabulator (and its later incarnations, the retroencabulator or retro-encabulator and Micro Encabulator) is a fictional machine whose alleged existence became an in-joke and subject of professional humor among engineers. The explanation of the supposed product makes extensive use of technobabble.

The gag was popular for many years. The following quote is from the Time article. General Electric, Chrysler and Rockwell Automation use many of the same words.[1]

The original machine had a base plate of prefabulated amulite, surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings were in direct line with the pentametric fan. The latter consisted simply of six hydrocoptic marzelvanes, so fitted to the ambifacient lunar waneshaft that side fumbline was effectively prevented. The main winding was of the normal lotus-0-delta type placed in panendermic semiboiloid slots in the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a nonreversible tremie pipe to the differential gridlespring on the "up" end of the grammeters.


fuck he's stupid

califat head for evah. said...

And pauline is the smartest person next to loretta......forwarded to me by a NOC engineer and should have read it, maybe. But, can't fool our pauline as his the Might forbes number has now been confirmed by multiple sources including the CBO which is run by the Price pick. Thanks for taking the time and looking my link up, something you do well since you can't think for yourself. . LOL

rrb said...




what's next for you d0pie?

an Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator?


caliphate4vr said...

gotta love it. Fatty is a moron spreading fake shit, but it's my fault

Wake-N-Bake Tuesday

LMAO

Commonsense said...

what's next for you d0pie?

an Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator?


Goes with his super-duper x-ray goggles that lets him see Air Force 1 from over a mile off.

opie said...

Yes pauline, I got punked, you caught me and I admitted it. Something you are not big enough of a man to have ever done. Just a little whining R who just had the shit kicked out of his wish by the CBO, but allege they are wrong. Toss in menstral child and I can smile knowing you guys are going to pay for voting trump. Good, couldn't happen to a more worthy group. Keep posting pauline, loretta the flutist thinks you are funny!!!

CHUCKLE