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Friday, March 31, 2017

How twisted is "this" logic?

So congress is attempting to investigate who in the intelligence community may have monitored members of the incoming Trump administration, under what authority (if any) they monitored, and who may have publicly exposed the specifics of what was uncovered.

The fact that there was very specific information about conversations between a Russian ambassador and General Flynn released to the media is more than enough evidence to conclude that either members (like Flynn) were under subpoena, or that laws were broken in exposing Americans who were inadvertently captured in legal surveillance of foreigners.


Now the irony of this sort of investigation is that Congress literally has to request information from the very intelligence agencies that they are attempting to investigate. To this point, reports are fairly consistent that the FBI and other sources are being less than forthcoming. Why wouldn't they be less than forthcoming considering the situation. After all, they are being asked to provide evidence that their organizations broke the law.

However, these agencies all roll up into the executive branch.  Sessions, Comey, Pompeo, Coats all answer to the President. Moreover, with the exception of Comey, none of them were involved or can be acccused of any of the wrongdoing being investigated.

Bottom line is that there is simply an authority to access and gather information from the intelligence communities at the executive level that doesn't exist with other branches of the Government. Congress can ask for, or subpoena such information. But as we have learned, the intelligence community has any number of ways to parse, delay, deflect and otherwise obstruct Congress from getting full disclosure.

So now Democrats in Congress are upset that information was passed from people within the executive branch to Devin Nunes (who is leading the investigation). Information that very likely has been asked for, but not provided by the intelligence sources in question. Information that apparently shows evidence of what everyone at this point has already figured out... that the Trump team was being monitored, and that people and information was illegally exposed.

So if your sole goal was to really investigate what happened (and not to take partisan sides by attempting to prove the side of the story that benefits you politically) - why would the actual offering of information you are otherwise unsuccessfully attempting to gather through normal channels cause you grief?

It's almost as if certain people would prefer "not" to know the truth?

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92 comments:

rrb said...



sessions needs to come down on these assholes like a billion tons of bricks.

Roger Amick said...

Your willingness to twist logic beyond any resemblance to reality is unbelievable. I'm reminded of the excuses given by the Nixon lawyers in WaterGate.

This is the key part of the lawyer's letter.

General Flynn certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit.

Out of respect for the Committees, we will not comment right now on the details of discussion between counsel for General Flynn and the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, other than to confirm that those discussions have taken place.

But it is important to acknowledge the circumstances in which those discussions are occurring.

Notwithstanding his life of national service, the media are awash with unfounded allegations, outrageous claims of treason, and vicious innuendo directed against him.

He is now the target of unsubstantiated public demands by Members of Congress and other political critics that he be criminally investigated.

No reasonable person, who has the benefit of advice from counsel, would submit to questioning in such a highly politicized, witch hunt environment without assurances against unfair prosecution.

The first part is interesting. "a story to tell". He was one of the first Trump supporters, and he had the ear of Mr Trump. He was his key source of military affairs, and intelligence community for Mr Trump. He lead a "lock her up" chant at the Republican convention.

The second is lawyer speak for he's not guilty, but there is a witch hunt that might find him guilty, even if he's innocent.

Every day, something comes out that Mr Trump or his staff, may have been in contact with the Russian government. Contact with foreign countries is not unusual. But despite the claim by Vladimir Putin, who denied that the Russians were trying to influence and damage the credibility of our electoral system, there is evidence that the did try to influence the election, and damage the credibility of our election.

So far we have not seen conclusive evidence that they worked together. So, one way or another, he should be granted immunity.

I personally think that a special investigation should be directed to provide the truth, no matter what the data takes it.

The Senatorial committee looks like they are going to conduct a bipartisan investigation, as the Constitution gives them the responsibility to oversee the executive branch. I was impressed with the joint news conference. The grown-ups made me comfortable. So I would accept this because of who are in charge, are going to follow where the data takes them. The Senate committee refused to grant immunity. It will depend on the Trump controlled DOJ. That could raise even more questions.

Roger Amick said...

Note again..

So far we have not seen conclusive evidence that they worked together. So, one way or another, he should be granted immunity.

If there is nothing to hide, give him immunity. Even if he's guilty we have the right to know what he knows.

rrb said...


The second is lawyer speak for he's not guilty, but there is a witch hunt that might find him guilty, even if he's innocent.
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precisely.

see: libby, scooter.

every single 0linsky embed needs to, at the very least be on the unemployment line and barred from government service for life, and at most they belong in prison.

including skeets, the mooch and that piece of shit iranian hag that lives with them.

Roger Amick said...

That is the reason I never take you seriously.

olinsky embed needs to


Just ridiculous.

rrb said...



Firm hired by DNC & relied on by FBI to prove Russia hacking forced to withdraw anti-Russian report

Reported in January, the FBI based its decision that it was the Russians that hacked into the DNC computers on a report commissioned by the DNC and generated by a company called CrowdStrike (the FBI was never allowed to examine the DNC server). The VOA recently caught CrowdStrike creating a bogus and unrelated hacking charge against Russia, and making up the facts to prove its veracity.

To make their determination that the Democrats were hacked by Russia, the FBI relied exclusively on information from private digital forensics company Crowdstrike. It wasn’t the FBI’s fault the DNC wouldn’t allow the FBI to look a their servers for the hacking investigation, instead forced them to use the Crowdstrike report paid for by the Party.

At the time a senior FBI law enforcement official told Wired,

“The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated.”


http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2017/03/31/firm-hired-by-dnc-relied-on-by-fbi-to-prove-russia-hacking-forced-to-withdraw-anti-russian-report/


oops.

the entire mountain of bullshit that schiff-tless was hanging his pussy hat on is coming apart.

and the federal bureau of incompetence is living up to its new moniker.

rrb said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
That is the reason I never take you seriously.

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heh.

you're the one standing in the liver transplant line with the 32 proof liver.

not me.

Commonsense said...

Neither the FBI, House Intelligence, or Senate Intelligence have given him immunity.

The overriding phase I heard is that it's "widely premature" to give him immunity.

So what we have here is an FBI who after eight months of investigating Russian interference in the election does not have enough evidence to either indict Flynn or bargain with him for immunity.

Or a Senate or House intelligence committee ready to cross the FBI to know what he knows.

It could be no there, there.

Could be that the "Russian hack" of the DNC was really a CIA opt. We now know the CIA can make a hack look like a Russian hack.

That would be embarrassing (as well as illegal).

What is fairly obvious is that the intelligence community like the IRS stinks of politicization.

rrb said...

The VOA reported:

U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year’s American presidential election campaign. The shift followed a VOA report that the company misrepresented data published by an influential British think tank.

In December, CrowdStrike said it found evidence that Russians hacked into a Ukrainian artillery app, contributing to heavy losses of howitzers in Ukraine’s war with pro-Russian separatists.

VOA reported Tuesday that the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), which publishes an annual reference estimating the strength of world armed forces, disavowed the CrowdStrike report and said it had never been contacted by the company.

Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has stated that the combat losses and hacking never happened.

CrowdStrike was first to link hacks of Democratic Party computers to Russian actors last year, but some cybersecurity experts have questioned its evidence. The company has come under fire from some Republicans who say charges of Kremlin meddling in the election are overblown.

After CrowdStrike released its Ukraine report, company co-founder Dmitri Alperovitch claimed it provided added evidence of Russian election interference. In both hacks, he said, the company found malware used by “Fancy Bear,” a group with ties to Russian intelligence agencies.

CrowdStrike’s claims of heavy Ukrainian artillery losses were widely circulated in U.S. media.

On Thursday, CrowdStrike walked back key parts of its Ukraine report.

The company removed language that said Ukraine’s artillery lost 80 percent of the Soviet-era D-30 howitzers, which used aiming software that purportedly was hacked. Instead, the revised report cites figures of 15 to 20 percent losses in combat operations, attributing the figures to IISS.




The company who the DNC and FBI relied on not only made up a problem that didn’t exist, but then blamed it on Putin’s Russia. Shouldn’t that call into question the entire premise that it was the Russians who hacked into the DNC?

http://lidblog.com/crowdstrike-hired-by-dnc-to-prove-russians-hacked-election/


Loretta Russo said...

Rich.

Myballs said...

We also got phone call transcripts of trump calls with presidents of mexico and Australia.

Where do Dems think they came from?

Loretta Russo said...

"If there is nothing to hide, give him immunity. Even if he's guilty we have the right to know what he knows."

Not according to Olinsky's rules.

rrb said...



rich indeed.

i have a feeling that schiff and his merry band of asshats are going to have a difficult weekend. same with all the sunday show asshats who will be working hard to come up with some barely plausible spin to help the dems explain this all away.



rrb said...



your daughter should be so obsessed with clearing up her crotch rot as you are with getting the last word.

rrb said...

oops. wrong thread.

sorry d0pie.

Loretta Russo said...

LOL

Loretta Russo said...

"i have a feeling that schiff and his merry band of asshats are going to have a difficult weekend"

Something smells like schitt, if you ask me!

KD, Biden in 2020, go for it said...

you're the one standing in the liver transplant line with the 32 proof liver."

speaking of mooches, Alky and his so called legal wife has bilked the US Tax payer for north of and still climbing $500,000 .

But ole rog says he is proud that other keep him out of bankruptcy and pay his bills.

Did you see Biden, this is classic out of touch liberalism. God I hope he runs in 2020 make the squaw from mASS his vp.

IF a married couple with two kids can't make it on $90,000 a year they must have attended the Alky Krugman school of personal finance.

OCTOBER 25, 2016,,, plugs said it.....
"the white working class instead of abandoning it. What went wrong? how’d you lose it?

BIDEN: What went wrong is a number of things, but not the least of was that as the economy began to crumble, and it started long before the recession and the Bush administration, all the focus was on people that were hanging on the edge. And needed to be. People going off the cliff, working class people who were poor. People who were in real difficulty. And so, what happened is, that person — the guy works on the line, the woman’s a waitress, they’re making 90,000 bucks a year, and they still can’t make it, if they have two kids. And we don’t talk to them anymore. We don’t associate with their difficulty anymore. And it’s almost like, like somehow they’re in good shape, but they’re not. They’re not."


Wait, pre-Hillary WIN, he was out telling the Dems, listen to the White Guys/Gals.

Friday, March 31, 2017




Former Vice President Joe Biden blamed his own party for losing the 2016 election, telling a crowd at the University of Pennsylvania that Democrats ignored one of its core ideals during the campaign: maintaining “a burgeoning middle class.”

Mr. Biden sat down with University of Pennsylvania President Amy Gutmann for a wide-ranging discussion at the new Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement. Without specifically naming Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, the former vice president said his party lost to President Trump because it failed to pay attention to struggling middle-class workers during the campaign.

“I think that what happened was that this is the first campaign that I can recall where my party did not talk about what it always stood for, and that is how to maintain a burgeoning middle class,” Mr. Biden said.


“You didn’t hear a single solitary sentence in the last campaign about that guy working on the assembly line making 60,000 bucks a year,” he said, “and a wife making $32,000 as a hostess in a restaurant and they’re making 90 grand and they’ve got two kids and they can’t make it and they’re scared. They’re frightened, because they’re not stupid.”

Mr. Biden said while globalization has been a “phenomenal success” on a macroeconomic level, it’s also “left a lot of people behind.”

He also dispelled the liberal talking point that the working-class voters who elected President Trump are racist."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/31/joe-biden-democrats-abandoned-middle-class-during-/?utm_source=RSS_Feedutm_medium=RSS


Joe, do you know in the time you first talked about your white working hard family that hey earn more money now under President Trump?

Obama - Biden's family of four Earns $90,000
Trump - Biden's family of four Earns $92,000




opie said...

rrb said...
oops. wrong thread.

sorry d0pie.

Sure, ass wipe.....go bail your kid out of jail.....

Roger Amick said...

Trump tweeted that he thinks Flynn should get immunity. He must feel comfortable, because the only person Flynn reported to when he was in the campaign and until he was fired for lying. He can direct the DOJ to offer immunity as President.

The irony is that in a speech in September Trump said "You're probably commuted a crime" If you are given immunity.

caliphate4vr said...

ass wipe

There it is again, fatty discussing another man's butt

You've repressed your feelings far too long

I think Louis CK would call him a fat faggot treat

LMAO

C.H. Truth said...

Sorry Roger -

There is no evidence or anything that suggests that the Trump team "colluded" with the Russians prior to the election. Furthermore, there really isn't anything technically illegal with communications between Trump's transition team and anyone from any other country.

According to sources, the FBI investigation is nothing more than them looking into the so called dossier, that was a bought and paid for Democratic attack piece on Trump.

We both know that the congressional investigation is nothing more than political theater and that there is no teeth to it anyways.

The lawyer for General Flynn referred to the investigation as a partisan witch hunt. As other attorneys have suggested, he would be derelict in his duties if he didn't ask for immunity. One legal expert consider it to be almost and automatic (like a defense attorney asking for a dismissal of a case after the prosecution rests - which nine times out of ten is rejected).

The reality is clear here Roger. If Trump, Flynn and gang... were really conspiring in an evil plot to take over the world with Vladimir Putin (as you seem to believe is the case) - then why would Trump have fired Flynn?

He's smart enough to make four billion dollars, take over the Presidency, and plot with international leaders... but too dumb not to piss of those who could bring his devious plot down?

I think you watch too many B list spy movies.

Loretta Russo said...

LOL. Imagine that, a campaign spiel.

Roger Amick said...

CH Sorry my friend, but you misstated my comments.

I stated twice. You should read rather than jump to the wrong collusion

There is no evidence or anything that suggests that the Trump team "colluded" with the Russians prior to the election. Furthermore, there really isn't anything technically illegal with communications between Trump's transition team and anyone from any other country.

I repeated myself to clarify that as to proof of collusion exists.

It does not.



Roger Amick said...

And there is this, it ignores history that I remember well, as a young man, while you were in at best, junior high.

"We both know that the congressional investigation is nothing more than political theater and that there is no teeth to it anyways."

The Watergate hearings were vital in finding the truth, the whole truth and noting but the truth. I watched them obsessively. Ir was history in the making. His lawyer is obligated to defend him against all charges. That does not mean the hearings will be a joke.

Roger Amick said...

There is something that is apparent. We are seeing anonymous comments with different points of view. The President really does not have a tight reign on his staff.

Myballs said...

And if Trump did keep a tight reign on his staff you'd accuse him of behaving like a dictator.

opie said...

Anonymous califat head4vr said...
ass wipe

There it is again, fatty discussing another man's butt

There is what again....pederast drunken salesman???? As I asked before, is fucking idiot asshole more to your liking and your buck tooth fat hillbilly family?????? For a frat rat from UGA, it is amusing you are suddenly aware of asses.....look in the mirror. For loretta the tramp....LOL

opie said...

Another awful day in trumpville as evidenced by the crankiness of all the trump accolades here. Witch hunt I say,,,,,,,the showman tries to blame everyone but himself. Oh well....and you all voted for him and now blindly defend him. How the mighty have fallen to new lows......

Loretta Russo said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

caliphate4vr said...

trump accolades here

Fatty it's acolytes

Fucking gay retard

LMAO

Loretta Russo said...

LOL

Roger Amick said...

Erica Chenoweth is one the leading scholars on authoritarian regimes and how to overthrow them. In her book Why Civil Resistance Works, she compiled 323 cases of nonviolent and violent campaigns in order to assess which were more successful in achieving their stated goals of regime change. Much to her surprise, Chenoweth discovered that nonviolent campaigns were nearly twice as effective as armed campaigns over the past century.

Chenoweth says the most effective variable in toppling a dictator is the number of people participating in a movement. Chenoweth argues that many more people—and more diverse groups of people—participate in nonviolent campaigns than in activities perceived to be violent. She concludes that this means nonviolence is not merely a moral choice for an individual, but a strategic necessity for a movement.

I sat down with Professor Chenoweth to discuss how her work studying efforts to overthrow dictators abroad can relate to resisting Trump at home, and whether authoritarianism is rising in the United States.

How do mobilizations like the Women’s March and the airport rallies impact the Trump administration?

They signal that resistance to the administration’s plans is alive and well, and they signal this to lots of important audiences. The first audience is other would-be protesters, who may be more willing to participate as they see the movement growing and winning key gains. The second audience is the silent majority, who may see the protests and demonstrations as reason to interpret the Trump administration’s actions with more skepticism. The third audience is the people who actually implement policy—Congress, law-enforcement officials, civil servants, and others who may be involved—who see that implementing the policies might be too costly, thereby motivating them to resist internally. And the fourth audience is people observing abroad, who see the resistance as a sign that the preferences of the American electorate are actually quite different from those of the American president. Public resistance can help to temper the consequences of any reckless missteps from the administration.

Do you consider Donald Trump to be an aspiring authoritarian?

There are certainly demagogic aspects of his behavior: disregard for institutional limits of his own authority, disregard for democratic norms and human rights, bullying and threatening political opponents, scapegoating of the vulnerable, mischaracterizing opposition to his plans as treachery, and a seeming indifference to understanding the US Constitution. But it’s also important to recognize the broader authoritarian currents in the American polity that put him in power.

What is the typical playbook of an authoritarian?

There is a pretty typical authoritarian playbook when it comes to weakening civil society. It’s basically a divide-and-rule strategy.


First there are strategies to reinforce elite loyalty through purges, paying off an inner entourage, and co-opting oppositionists through threats and bribes.

Second, there are strategies to suppress or undermine opposition. This includes using direct violence against oppositionists or their associates, of course, but it also involves counter-mobilizing one’s own supporters, infiltrating the movement, expanding surveillance, using pseudo-legitimate laws and practices that criminalize or increase penalties for erstwhile legal behaviors, adding administrative, financial, or legal burdens to civil-society groups, and planting plainclothes police and agents provocateurs to push the opposition into chaotic and/or undisciplined behavior.

Roger Amick said...

Third, autocrats use strategies to reinforce support among the silent majority and other observers. This includes scapegoating foreigners and outsiders for domestic problems; mischaracterizing oppositionists as terrorists, traitors, coup plotters, “thugs,” or communists; censoring information or engaging in misinformation campaigns; and co-opting or bullying the independent media into submission. As authoritarians consolidate power, all of these behaviors tend to increase in frequency and intensity.

This describes Trump far more than I like. And it's true.

https://www.thenation.com/article/how-to-topple-a-dictator/

Commonsense said...

Why President Trump's abysmal popularity rating won't hurt him

If you perked up at news this week that President Trump's approval rating had dipped to 37 percent, according to figures tracked by Gallup, you should un-perk.

The truth is, whether Trump is in the 30s or 40s — or even 20s or 50s — simply doesn't matter much. For those of us between the ages of 25 and 100 years old, this is going to take some getting used to.

We are accustomed to believing that a president needs to be popular to see his agenda become law. Presidents from Woodrow Wilson to George W. Bush used their political capital, the democratic legitimacy that is uniquely their own in presidential systems like ours, to marshal public support for, say, the League of Nations or the Iraq War. "We must remember that it is the president who sets the agenda for our government," former Speaker John Boehner said on Election Night 2010, when Republicans won control of the House in a historic shellacking of President Obama.

President Trump no doubt sees himself in this vein, too. That's one of the reasons he enjoys public rallies in red states so much: Trump desperately wants to be a popular president in the traditional sense. But that is clearly not how our government is behaving right now. It is behaving more like a parliamentary democracy.


The problem with Roger's thesis is that we don't live in a dictatorship or an autocracy but a democratic republic.

The trick is that to win in a constitution democracy, you have to persuade a great many people to your point of view.

People running around in pussy hats don't persuade, neither does irrational opposition.

If you want to win back the white house and congress then you will have to come up with something more then "I hate Trump and think he's dangerous".

opie said...

Loretta the troll said...
You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

March 31, 2017 at 6:14 PM
Anonymous califat head4vr said...
trump accolades here

Fatty it's acolytes

Fucking gay retire

LMAO

You're a genius and an asshole. Keep up the spell checker work, since you have nothing to add, Frigging gap tooth hillbilly with a passion for inanity and stupid indians. Thanx again, pederast lover.


opie said...

Anonymous califat head4vr said...




Oh I forgot.....fucking idiot obsessed asshole .. I hope that is more to your idiotic liking.......

Loretta Russo said...

"The problem with Roger's thesis..."

Roger doesn't have a thesis of his own.

Like Opie and James, he's only here to ape the opinions of others and troll.

rrb said...

Roger doesn't have a thesis of his own.

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not this time. if you've reduced yourself to scraping delirious shit off 'the nation'...

Loretta Russo said...

"not this time. if you've reduced yourself to scraping delirious shit off 'the nation'..."

Putin loves useful tools.

C.H. Truth said...

The Watergate hearings were vital in finding the truth, the whole truth and noting but the truth

Back when the truth mattered, Roger.

You cannot logically deny one of the following:

That the incoming Trump team was being monitored by the outgoing administration. General Flynn (for instance) was fired because there were transcripts of his conversations with the Russian ambassador.

that Trump associates were being captures on legitimate surveillance of foreign parties. But that people within the outgoing administration illegally unmasked those identities and conversations to the public.

There is no "third logical reality".

There is no objective way that you can claim that Nixon's actions were any worse than what has been happening with Trump and his associates.


- Richard Nixon resigned because he was caught monitoring his political opponents... and he didn't even do anything with the information. He was just paranoid and wanted it.

- This administration walks away as heroes in many people's eyes for monitoring their political opponents (either legally or illegally)... and then openly breaking the law by leaking that information in a blatant attempt to try to politically undercut the credibility of the incoming Presidency and Administration.


So how does it matter Roger. You know the law was broken (one way or the other) in a blatant attempt to hurt the political stature of Donald Trump... yet you defend those actions full throttle.

Why? Because in 2017 you care more about political partisanship than anything else. Back in 1974 you probably actually cared that our Politicians followed the law.

rrb said...

Putin loves useful tools.
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stalin loved the useful idiots from FDR's administration that he wowed with potemkin villages.

putin is enjoying the same today from the former administration's embeds.




rrb said...

Why? Because in 2017 you care more about political partisanship than anything else. Back in 1974 you probably actually cared that our Politicians followed the law.
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you give him too much credit. back in '74 all that mattered was that nixon was a republican. had he been a democrat under the same circumstances watergate never would have happened and nixon would have served out two full terms.

roger was a hack back then and he's a hack now.

Loretta Russo said...

"putin is enjoying the same today from the former administration's embeds."

His goal was to undermine public faith in the US democratic process,

Mission accomplished.

rrb said...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-devin-nunes-knows-1490914396



California Rep. Adam Schiff may not offer much by way of substance, but give him marks for political flimflam. The ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee was so successful at ginning up fake outrage over his Republican counterpart that he successfully buried this week’s only real (and bombshell) news.

Mr. Schiff and fellow Democrats spent this week accusing Chairman Devin Nunes of carrying water for President Trump, undermining the committee’s Russia investigation, and hiding information. The press dutifully regurgitated the outrage, as well as Mr. Schiff’s calls for Mr. Nunes to recuse himself from the investigation into possible Russian electoral meddling.

All this engineered drama served to deep-six the important information Americans urgently deserve to know. Mr. Nunes has said he has seen proof that the Obama White House surveilled the incoming administration—on subjects that had nothing to do with Russia—and that it further unmasked (identified by name) transition officials. This goes far beyond a mere scandal. It’s a potential crime.



rrb said...

His goal was to undermine public faith in the US democratic process,
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you know, i'm not even sure that putin had as much of a goal as democrats just needed an excuse to explain away the loss of the worst political candidate of the modern era.

iow's, putin's gains may just be a byproduct of liberal desperation.

Loretta Russo said...

"iow's, putin's gains may just be a byproduct of liberal desperation"

He's been meddling in elections for the last ten years, at least. Ukraine, Estonia....Europe.

No, this isn't about liberal desperation - they're just his little tools.

He's KGB - they're patient - he's positioning Russia to return to the glory days. He's filling every void left by Obama, and counting on the EU's need for Russian energy.

He's counting on continued chaos by dumbass liberals.

He's already won.

KD said...

Opium you said "I ran off", I did not it is called having a family, kids and a Life.

So here ya go:

"The US Economy and the People that work are seeing the fruit of voting Trump.

Over then next week or so those big fat 401K, 457 b, Roth IRA, Traditional IRA, 529 college savings plans and other statements are going to be coming to those that invested and they are going to be YUGE upticks is wealth.

For the interlopers, well, nada for you.

Opie’s response was to say:

The US Economy is projected to grow at 1% in the first quarter....down significantly from last quarter 16. Yep, the fruits gave them diarrhea. Idiot. “
KD, Lost years doomed Hillary said...
GDP growth 1.9% (2016) " Final numbers for the last Lost Year.
I then called Opium out and did nothing more the quote him.
1% vs 1.9% is a 52% drop." Opie

Funny thing about opie , IF he does not like the facts he makes them up.

1.9 % GDP for all of 2016 are the facts

1 % for the first quarter GDP 2017, well, it is made up , see today is the last day for the first quarter, so , since it has not ended yet, we can not possibly , know for a fact what the growth has been.
you have Roger Krugman syndrome , I quote you and you argue against your own quote.

it is too funny
What did Opium do, yep, dug himself in to an ever deeper hole
opie said...

Because it went over your head, stupid. 1% was the projection for the year. Fuck you.”
Wait , what first you said for the month and then when called out then you move for the entire year.

OK, we shall see, just know your on the low growth GDP clock .
Your prediction for the 1st entire year is 1 percent.

opie said...

That the incoming Trump team was being monitored by the outgoing administration

Which means what, CH.....isn't it incumbent of the potus to do his job up until his last day in office, unlike what Mitch declared when he denied hearings for the scotus. And wtf do you understand monitoring to be. Are they supposed to ignore what is going on or remain proactive. Funny comment for someone who allegedly has a brain. And lastly, what did they find out? The flynn leaks came from where? His lies to the VP or obama disclosing classified information, which did not happen. Doesn't immunity imply guilt, like trump and flynn said??????

opie said...

Because it went over your head, stupid. 1% was the projection for the year. Fuck you.”

Still just as stupid today as yesterday....so my comments remain unchanged. Maybe you should look up police and unions and see if they participate.

Your prediction for the 1st entire year is 1 percent.

not my prediction, I got it from kippingr....idiot, unlike you, I don't make shit like that up.

Roger Amick said...

Amusing. Truth matters as much today as it did in 1974. But you are an enabler, because you believe the Trump Truth, not the actual truth.
Examples:
FAKE NEWS

"That the incoming Trump team was being monitored by the outgoing administration."
You believe his tweets, that every single reputable source, including the director of the FBI.

Richard Nixon resigned because he was caught monitoring his political opponents... and he didn't even do anything with the information. He was just paranoid and wanted it.
You believe the paranoid, narcissistic, ill informed and unprepared for the office, Donald J Trump.

You oppose the investigation by the FBI, because they might just find evidence of cooperation with the Russian government hacking.

And let me say it one more time my friend, that as of now, there is no public proof of coalition with the Russian government.

Truthfulness doesn't matter in regards to the President. The list of lies would take at least two response posts, because it would exceed the character limit.

1: Crowd size.
2: Three million illegal immigrants voted in the election, and every one of them, voted for Clinton.
3: He takes credit for the Ford Motor Company expansion of American operations. They CEO of Ford, clearly stated that the decision, far outdated the results of the 2016 election. Auto management makes such decisions far ahead of time. Look it up.

Then there is the rrb inspired insults, claiming that I'm not interested in the truth.

The truth is not important to me. The real truth and nothing but the truth is at the core of who I am.

Bill Maher said that people like you are enablers, like in the 1950 Sunset Boulevard, and I expanded that. You are enabling a 70 year old man, who obviously to those who think for themselves, see his erratic behavior.

Tweets at 3:00 AM.

Hell, the fact that he uses Twitter to set foreign affairs policy. His behavior when the German Prime Minister was at the White House. The German government and not FAKE NEWS press, stated that she believes that he is unbelievably ill informed. Our allies have grave doubts about his mental instability.

You are an enabler, without any doubt. I'm not the only one who posts here who have said as much. It is a tragedy that you have been overtaken by your decision to support anything Trump says or does.

"I am ready for my close-up"

Loretta Russo said...

Spam by the drunkard

Roger Amick said...

Oh shit. I should proofread.

"The truth is not important to me. The real truth and nothing but the truth is at the core of who I am."

Correction:

The truth is absolutely important to me. The real truth and nothing but the truth is at the core of who I am.



Roger Amick said...

Blogger Loretta Russo said...
Spam by the drunkard

April 1, 2017 at 10:42 AM

Spam on Alzheimer's

Roger Amick said...

I made another grammatical error, but you might be able to see it through your Trumglasses.

Roger Amick said...

Real life calls.

I will let you treat your rhetorical wounds.

1,785 days

Roger Amick said...

1,773 days.


1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol– that our lives had become unmanageable.

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than our–selves could restore us to sanity.

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

I'm speaking at meetings and at the Kaiser Permanente recovery program.

One of the patients who was at that Kaiser Permanente meeting, was at the AA meeting yesterday. He told me that my story is inspiring and that it helped him understand that the rewards of sobriety to live a wonderful life, without alcohol. And yes, it is a disease, not a weakness of character. Strength of character, and personal honesty are critical in the treatment of the disease.

Cue the spam.

opie said...

Wait , what first you said for the month

Wrong mutton breath. Try again, you may get something correct yet. You read as good as califathead. LOL

James said...

Trump's joyless presidency.

James said...

Trump wishes he could have Putin-like control of the USA's TV media. He better start studying how Putin pulled that off, for Trump is totally inept at achieving such a goal. :-)

James said...


Trump tells NBC to stop covering Russia story

LOL

C.H. Truth said...

Roger -

Donald Trump is the President of the United States.

I may not have agreed with Barack Obama, but I always referred to him as President, I never demanded that he shouldn't be allowed to be President, and I never once made any suggestion that there would be a reasonable reason for anyone to break the law to try to undercut him.

At a generic objective institutional level here Roger...

You are supporting the concept of our own intelligence communities breaking the law in order to undercut the credibility and political capital of a duly elected President.

Why? Because you don't like this particular President and seem to think that that provides some justification?

Guess What Roger... there are always people who are going to disagree with whoever the next President is. Do you really feel it helps anyone if we deem it acceptable for the "deep state" or the intelligence communities to undermine the executive office, because they don't like the person running it?

Because that is exactly what you are advocating. The normalization of using the intelligence community to monitor and expose things about political opponents.

You should believe that this is "always" wrong...
Yet you simply don't because the President is Donald Trump.


Lastly... assuming someone eventually is charged with this. Do you believe that there is anywhere in the law that allows for these actions as "justifiable" over political differences?

C.H. Truth said...

Queue Roger's response:

Trump is bad
blah blah blah
You support Trump and shouldn't
blah blah blah
Trump is bad
blah blah blah blah

Actual response to any of the specific questions asked...

(crickets)

KD, Blue Jane said...

james welcome back, how come your so blue?

"Trump's joyless presidency"

The wealth creators , investors and general holders do not share in your gloom, are you an interloper?

KD, Good morning Alky said...

Opie, It is cute when you argue with your own quotes.

It is just one of my things to point them out, but they are yours.

Try this, do you really think that the US Economy in 2017 is going to do worse then 7 years under Obimbonomics?

Obama's worst year was a - 2.9 in 2009.

KD, that was ever more fun said...

Opie’s response was to say:

The US Economy is projected to grow at 1% in the first quarter....down significantly from last quarter 16"

vs


Because it went over your head, stupid. 1% was the projection for the year. Fuck you.”


KD said...


Actual response to any of the specific questions asked...

(crickets)" CHT

Yep, without a cut n paste Roger Krugman has nothing.


James said...

The Keystone Kops In the White House

John Cassidy: “Ten weeks ago, when Trump stormed into office attacking the media and promising a blitzkrieg of new policies and initiatives during his first hundred days, the dominant emotion among people who hadn’t voted for him was fear. Many commentators, myself included, warned about the dangers of democratic erosion, and sales of George Orwell’s 1984 soared.

“Today, there are still plenty of reasons to be concerned about Trump and his illiberalism. The White House’s recent decision to dismantle President Obama’s clean-air regulations offers fresh testament to the malevolence of the Trump Administration’s agenda, and next week’s meeting between Trump and Xi Jinping, China’s President, will be a reminder of the enormous responsibilities that rest on a President’s shoulders. But, even among ardent Trumpophobes, fear and foreboding have been supplemented by wonderment at the White House’s string of gaffes. These days, instead of Big Brother, it often looks like the Keystone Kops are in charge.”

opie said...

The US Economy is projected to grow at 1% in the first quarter.

Dumbass, that is exactly why I posted the gov't site and words, because I knew you would be stupid, it is the first quarter projection!!!!!... .those are the exact words they use for projecting the entire fucking year ....stupid farmer..... Try again....I now remember why you are a loathsome idiot without a lick of sense.


Because it went over your head, stupid. 1% was the projection for the year. Fuck you.

Police never join unions....

KD, said...

Opie, I grant you that last word on the GDP topic.

your on the record for both the first qrt, your belief is it will clock in at 1 % and for the year at 1 %.

I really don't know how you continue to get so confused when I use your words and verbatim quote you.

KD, The Trump Effect Economy , Winning said...

The Trump Effect Economy is not going to be like the "lost years".

US Consumer Confidence is higher then at any time during those years, home ownership that at the end of those lost years was at a 40 year low is showing real signs of life.

US Home builders are build spec homes, they have a new found economic/financial confidence.

KD's superior said...


Anonymous KD, said...
Okie, I grant you that last word on the GDP topic.

FUCK YOU ASSWIPE!!!!!!!!

Yours in Christ

OPIE

opie said...


Opie, I grant you that last word on the GDP topic.

BTW I noted that you ignored your lie about me saying month and no apology....shocking!!!!!

KD said...

Mr. Opie, like Roger Krugman , does not like to be quoted.

It was just a little fun on my part as he got too confused and then like RK, he goes all Tourette syndrome.

It really became more fun then I thought to quote you.

KD, Winning with being Honest said...

Let me show you how it is done Opie.


I was wrong, I said, month, I meant , 1st quarter.

opie said...

I was wrong, I said, month, I meant , 1st quarter.

Saying you were wrong is heartwarming. However, it is not an apology is it????? You can now post the last word as I'm heading to the toilet.......

caliphate4vr said...

Fatty, I thought you were in the N GA mountains???

Why have you spent the day here trolling??

I haven't seen a more glorious day in the ATL than this

Far from the shithole that is Jersey

Have a good night fatboy

LOSER!!!!

opie said...

Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
Fatty, I thought you were in the N GA mountains???

Why have you spent the day here trolling??

All day??? Just keep making shit up to feel better.. Yes it is a gorgeous day in the mtn's in my cabin, something you can only dream of. Did a nice hike at vogel park, something you can't do... Since my postings appears to annoy you, I will continue whenever I can and give you amble opportunity to look small and foolish...a regular occurrence for loser salesmen like you.


Yeah Hotlanta is an eden compared to Jersey.....Go eat loretta, drunk boy.....

Loretta Russo said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

rrb said...

Truthfulness doesn't matter in regards to the President. The list of lies would take at least two response posts, because it would exceed the character limit.

1: Crowd size.
2: Three million illegal immigrants voted in the election, and every one of them, voted for Clinton.
3: He takes credit for the Ford Motor Company expansion of American operations. They CEO of Ford, clearly stated that the decision, far outdated the results of the 2016 election. Auto management makes such decisions far ahead of time. Look it up.

Then there is the rrb inspired insults, claiming that I'm not interested in the truth.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

well, look at what you're focused on. 3 things that don't amount to a pimple on a gnat's ass. no serious person cares about those things. and this is why it's impossible to take YOU seriously.

you're obsessed with taking trump literally, while the rest of us are taking him seriously.

for chrissakes, i figured a guy with a self-proclaimed IQ as stratospheric as yours would be able to tell the difference.

apparently not.

opie said...

well, look at what you're focused on. 3 things that don't amount to a pimple on a gnat's ass


Well, rat face....if they don't amount to anything.....why doesn't he give up saying it??? As loretta loved to say about obama....pathological lying is ingrained in his need to win at EVERTHING and crowd size seems vey important to him as is losing the popular count. His ego doesn't allow him to accept any loss. Just like you, rat. I'm looking forward to your reasoned response!!

caliphate4vr said...

Fatty your postings don't annoy, I've enjoyed showing all how stupid and gay repressed you are.

I can't hike at Vogel?? I can be there in under 45 minutes and actually hike any of the tougher trails, unlike your morbidly obese, hip replaced, diabetic stroke addled.....

Now flame here all day fatboy, I'm off to enjoy my kids

caliphate4vr said...

BTW fatty this is far prettier than anything at Vogel and fairly accessible for the obese with plastic hips

rrb said...

Well, rat face....if they don't amount to anything.....why doesn't he give up saying it???
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


probably because he's enjoying fucking with nitwits like you and roger.

every time he tweets about something insignificant, roger's head explodes.

opie said...

califathead said...

r prettier than anything at Vogel and fairly accessible for the obese with plastic hips

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder....Cake walk trail for lazy fucks like you. Feel big now cali as once again your command of insults is limitless indicative of UGA redneck grads. BTW, the probability of driving from your home to Vogel in 45 minutes is the same as menstral boy getting a PHD in physics. Maybe you can drive that road over the mountain and off the road on the top.....very twisty road nod conducive for speed, especially drivers with big heads.... LOL

caliphate4vr said...

43 miles away, fatty

Less time than it takes you to inhale a pie

Commonsense said...

Wouldn't fatty shit his pants if I actually had a Phd in physics.

opie said...

Commonsense said...
Wouldn't fatty shit his pants if I actually had a Phd in physics.

As pauline would say... you have homoerotic fantasies since you are obsessed with shit....if you had a Phd in physics, pigs would be flying califat to vogel park. LOL

Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
43 miles away, fatty

So... unless you have an ability to fly, you ain't doing those roads at 60 mph, idiot. .....plus they do like pulling assholes like you over up there.

wphamilton said...

Anonymous caliphate4vr said... 43 miles away,

I'd love to hike some of the Georgia mountain trails this summer. What would be the number one, top of your list trail?

By a strange coincidence, 43 miles was my bike ride yesterday :) But the boring same-old in the Alpharetta area.

opie said...

What would be the number one, top of your list trail?

Appalachian trail over blood mountain....Nice trail, great view off the top...Can be done in an afternoon.


opie said...

BTW WP...Vogel state park has a bunch of cabins they rent out.....They seem to be very well maintained and seem to have all the amnenties for a comfortable stay. The park is only a few miles from the blood mountain trail head and would be a great base for hiking the area which also includes the brasstown bald system.

caliphate4vr said...

Waterfalls in Georgia: our top 10 favorite hikes