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Tuesday, June 20, 2017

Now the fun begins...

The post-mortum is already beginning.

What did Ossoff do wrong? What could the national Democratic Party have done differently? Should they made it "more" about Trump? Did they have the best candidate? How much did all of the out-state support matter? Was there some sort of backlash to all of that?  Where is the Democratic "momentum" that liberals want to believe is out there?

I heard a pundit on CNN actually say the one thing I have been thinking... the Democrats don't have a real message. They want to make everything about their "resistance" to Trump. Seems to me that this is really little more than a lazy strategy spurred by late stages of TDS.  It's obviously that those who live in the bubble of liberalism simply don't understand that while Trump may not be incredibly popular right now, most people (like me) don't see him as a monster who needs to be stopped at any cost.
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If I can explain it in the simplest of terms -  the fact that Donald Trump has struggled to gain traction as President doesn't change my core beliefs about politics. It doesn't make me want to vote for someone I don't agree with, just because I am not always happy with how Trump is handling himself.

More to the point, Trump has been President for less than five months. He's done some things that make me believe he could be consequentially a good President for the overall conservative cause. The over the top "resistance" hasn't convinced me of anything other than to view the "resistance" as over the top.

I believe that most Republicans in Georgia 6 (and across the heartland of the nation) see things primarily the same way I see them. The fact that coastal/urban liberals don't get that is understandable, and probably the reason why the Democrats probably won't win back the House in 2018.

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Perhaps the liberals out there can tell us where their line would be drawn on this situation. How unhappy would they have to be with a particular Democratic administration where it would come to them voting for Republicans across the board as a matter of mutiny? Is there a conceivable situation where they would vote for someone they do not fundamentally agree with on issues like abortion,  taxes, minority rights, immigration, gun control, etc... just to send a message?

47 comments:

caliphate4vr said...

A 6% victory ain't small and it has never been a purple district, that's where I thought you were off

caliphate4vr said...

What do Jon Ossoff and Karen Handel have in common? Neither one of them voted for Jon Ossoff!!!

caliphate4vr said...

If Hollywood and the media together lead the Democratic Party, not the politicians or -- good Lord! -- the people themselves, as seems increasingly obvious, a tail wagging the dog, if there ever was one, they ought to take a good look at themselves. What they are perceived to be espousing is no more than pompous elitism, a sense of looking down on the folks who pay their immense bills (media too, in many instances). They may rejoice at Trump's low poll numbers, but beware. As the man said, it's the economy, stupid. Their boy (and he is a boy) Ossoff lost more substantially than expected in an upscale part of Georgia elitists should win. Enough of the Trump bashing. Start thinking about how to make the country better. Come up with some policies that make sense. Then maybe you'll start winning again.

Loretta said...

"Come up with some policies that make sense. Then maybe you'll start winning again."

That right there is funny, I don't care who you are.

caliphate4vr said...

Ralph blames the weather

Steve, let me ask you one last question on this. If there was a turnout effect from the bad weather today in the district, does that have any partisan implications that you could foresee in terms of what was expected for same day, election day voting rather than the early vote?

rrb said...




the dems kept saying the GA-6 election was a referendum on trump.

they were right.



rrb said...

Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
Ralph blames the weather
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perhaps for liberals, umbrellas trigger a micro-aggression of "white dry privilege" or something.

Commonsense said...

As predicted, crickets from the MSM.

Commonsense said...

Old and busted:

GA-6 election was a referendum on trump.

New hotness:

Handel won by running away from Trump in a deep red district.

Loretta said...

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Grassroots movement.

caliphate4vr said...

The best excuse yet

A precinct captain for Democratic candidate Jon Ossoff’s congressional campaign complained recently that many of his constituents are hard to reach because they still live at home with their parents.

“Those were the angriest people,” Jessica Zeigler told Slate, referring to the Republican parents of the young Democrats. “When you are targeting their child, or heaven forbid their child might not think the same way as them, it becomes ugly.”


Donks are infantile

rrb said...



with all the social media out there the snowflakes are hard to reach? whatta cop out.

perhaps those precious little gems are JUST smart enough to realize that the lap of luxury within which they reside... for free, is not an applecart they should upset.

it's easy to appear angry when someone else is picking up your tab.

Myballs said...

Best line of the night was from Kelly Ann Conway that she is laughing her ossoff. Lol

Roger Amick said...

The current Republican party is the least democratic party in history.

A bill that provides life and death experiences for every one in the country is being written behind closed doors. Debate will be very short, if at all.

Caliphate4vr said...

We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it

Embrace the suck

LMAO

Commonsense said...

Ditto.

caliphate4vr said...

such whiny bitches when their tactics are used against them

cowardly king obama said...

It's day one of the latest PRESIDENT TRUMP hangover. Amazing how the FAKE NEWS guys were stunned yet again. Even the CHT blog postings showing the NYT computer model well into election night still had a final result outside their range...

Maybe they were using their climate modeling software.

caliphate4vr said...

Best part is there's no pederast here spamming the blog

Chariots a coming

Roger Amick said...

I liked the few minutes. But as the evening carried on I saw the spread supporting the Republican candidate and in The Graduate her lead increase that was it it was it was interesting I like the new. His closing comments we're interesting where we're talking about too much hate and he was right I think I'm both sides are guilty of this. It's a free country we can have differences with the hatred is is a big danger to the country. I have long kept the emotion hate out of my political views except with very few exceptions just like oh yes and people like Dick Cheney I like to see him spend his last few years in prison but that isn't going to happen. But now the Democrats do have to figure out how to make that next step they got close. But there's a lot of stations to be made that's interesting I'm trying to run through some of the possibilities in my mind good time. I don't think going to the left as some would like it is going to make a big difference it's it's too easily even though American left is very very narrow left but we've got to be very careful about that but the main thing is that is the. If the Republicans Force a non debate Passage of trumpcare that is going to come back and hurt them and quite possibly cost them the House and Senate and the White House in 2020. On the hillside I don't talk much about here the health side Health side is that the liver has been accepted by my body very well. All the all the body changes makes him some of the joints of the adopting to the new changing situations make it difficult especially my knees I always have had arthritis for a long time but it's been a lot worse and came back with a changing medications and I should be getting out of the hospital this week. They don't have 3 to 2 to 3 weeks in a rehab facility in San Pedro. I'm there full time five to six hours a day in the gym. With exercises specifically designed to work with transplant patients. Various groups I work with are all have all expressed their the other happy that really pushed myself all the way to the Limit every time. I'm going to get out of here and have a normal life or even better when this is all over with. And I will be there in full time or better to come back and bother the heck out of all the all of you guys and laugh and laugh and have some fun. Later my friends and he stay well, goodbye.

caliphate4vr said...

Ossoff’s defeat comes as a significant blow to the Democratic party, which loudly proclaimed that the special election was a referendum on the young presidency of Donald Trump. Indeed, Ossoff’s overflow of cash was largely fueled by the intense national attention paid to the sixth-district race. But that cash might’ve given a clue to his downfall: The vast majority of donations to his campaign came from outside of Georgia. The fact that, over a two-month span, 7,000 Californians gave to the Democrat compared with 800 Georgians should’ve troubled anyone invested in an Ossoff win. While the narrative was overblown to begin with, Handel’s win tonight throws water on the progressives’ claim that Trump is severely damaging the GOP in traditionally Republican areas.

rrb said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
The current Republican party is the least democratic party in history.

A bill that provides life and death experiences for every one in the country is being written behind closed doors. Debate will be very short, if at all.
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yeah, life comes at you fast, eh alky?

now it's OUR TURN to pass the bill to find out what's in it.

but hey... if you like your hypocrisy, you can keep your hypocrisy.

rrb said...

Handel’s win tonight throws water on the progressives’ claim that Trump is severely damaging the GOP in traditionally Republican areas.
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karen handel PERSISTED.

she should wear a snatch hat to her swearing in just to fuck with the left.



rrb said...




Representative Tim Ryan of Ohio, who has been a vocal critic of his party’s overarching political strategy, said Democrats needed to recognize that they were “toxic” in huge parts of the country.

“Our brand is worse than Trump,” said Mr. Ryan, who urged Democrats to make forging a clear economic agenda an urgent priority. “We can’t just run against Trump.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/us/pelosi-georgia-ossoff-democrats.html


KD, Last Nite Win Killed Roger the Alky and JANE and Opium said...

Anonymous wphamilton said...
Turnout was very light when I voted this morning. A couple of people were finishing as I walked up and I was the only one voting or checking in until I finished. Of course, it only takes me 10 seconds so it's a very small sample, but foot traffic was low also.

If the thunderstorms roll in as expected this afternoon and evening that should depress voting further. That traditionally favors the Republican, Handel.

June 20, 2017 at 8:08 AM"

Yep, the loss was not on topics, issues or even anti-Trump wishes, but on a few rain drops that is what caused the LEFT to loss again.



Bye Alky, your exit from this blog started a long time ago, when you opened the Hospice blog, then the Defeat on Nov 8th, 2016 and the final straw last night.

Keep bilking the US Tax Payer and make sure you mail order bride continues to do the same.


Indy Voter said...

You gotta stop with the audio to text comments, Roger. They make even less sense than your typed comments with their typos.

Although it is amusing to try and figure out what it was you were trying to post.

caliphate4vr said...

is that what it is? i was thinking he was on some really good meds

caliphate4vr said...

HAHAHAHA

C.H. Truth said...

I am guessing Roger is on good meds and is trying to use his voice to text option...

Either that, or he finally few over the cuckoo's nest!!

Good ole gentle truth-seeking James said...

Why Handel’s Win Isn’t a Disaster for Democrats

David Wasserman: “Although it’s true Democrats have agonizingly yet to capture a red district, they have outperformed their ‘generic’ share of the vote significantly in every contest. Measured against the Cook Political Report‘s Partisan Voter Index (PVI), Democrats have outperformed the partisan lean of their districts by an average of eight points in the past five elections.

“If Democrats were to outperform their ‘generic’ share by eight points across the board in November 2018, they would pick up 80 seats. Of course, that won’t happen because Republican incumbents will be tougher to dislodge than special election nominees. But these results fit a pattern that should still worry GOP incumbents everywhere, regardless of Trump’s national approval rating and the outcome of the healthcare debate in Congress.”
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Nate Cohn: “If Democrats keep running ahead of expectations across those plausibly competitive Republican-held seats, many seats will ultimately fall their way. But they will certainly lose more than they win. The question is whether they win enough, and no special election offers the answer to that.”

rrb said...

Why Handel’s Win Isn’t a Disaster for Democrats
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WHEREAS, they only blew over $25 MILLION trying and FAILING to buy a seat.

THEREFORE, nope. no disaster at all.

idiot.

Loretta said...

Obnoxious James Boswell trolling

caliphate4vr said...

WHEREAS, they only blew over $25 MILLION trying and FAILING to buy a seat.


OSSOFF: Well, the overwhelming majority of money spent supporting my opponent has come from super PACs in Washington. And the overwhelming amount of money that's been spent supporting my candidacy has come from small-dollar donors. But there's no question that money in politics is a major problem, which is one of the reasons that we need campaign finance reform so that candidates and campaigns will spend more time talking to voters and discussing the issues and less time raising money.

Unbelievable

rrb said...




Dems Already Blaming Ossoff Loss On Hacks

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/21/dems-already-blaming-ossoff-loss-on-hacks/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

rrb said...



"Unbelievable"


big $$$$ in politics is only a problem for dems when they rake a massive amount of it into a huge pile and set fire to it.




rrb said...

...so that candidates and campaigns will spend more time talking to voters and discussing the issues and less time raising money.
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juice box mafia:

Tucker Carlson pretty much nailed the reason for Jon Ossoff’s defeat

The best illustration of these potent cultural resentments came last night in the form of a rant from conservative Fox News pundit Tucker Carlson.

“Democrats still have literally no idea why they keep losing elections,” Carlson said on his Tuesday night show. “If they did, they would have run a real candidate with a real job who understands the constituents he is attempting to represent.”

He continued:

Instead, Democrats put up a 30-year-old semi-employed documentary filmmaker who can’t even vote for himself because he doesn’t live in the district.

He’s got a ton of trendy, rich-people positions on just about every topic. The abortion people love him. He is gravely concerned about climate and childhood obesity and the availability of organic kale. He thinks illegal aliens are noble. He went to the London School of Economics. He’s super fit and way smarter than you are.

https://www.vox.com/2017/6/21/15845588/tucker-carlson-ossoff-defeat?yptr=yahoo

KD, Spinning Little Faggot Jane, keep your dress down sissy butt punk said...

Jane, I believe you, no really I do.

Democrats have promised 4 wins in the Special Elections, they have lost all four, or is it 5, anyhow you, keep believing that losing Election after Election after, well, you know.

The GA 6 was by all Media account pre-Election Results an election on Donald Trump and his Agenda, so now that Donald Trump WON BIGGLY AGAIN, does that mean the Dems are going to put away their baby bottles, rattles and work with the President?

KD, Mr President , I ain't no way tir'd of all this Winning said...

It was posted here that the Democrat National Committee that laundered so much of the money in to this Loss, is saying their targeted money was ill-spent because the message was stopped by the Adults in the house and their dependent snowflakes where not reached, blame everything but the failure of policy by the Dems.

It is interesting to see the Dems in the circular firing squad one again and President Trump Passing them the ammo to continueally reload.

Commonsense said...

The new spin coming out of the media is that the "polling" was flawed.

Ya think? When you poll to fit a pre-determined outcome then it usually is flawed.

rrb said...




"Democrats are looking almost incapable of translating the energy of their core supporters into actual election wins."

—Associated Press


rrb said...




"Nothing preps you for next election more than concluding your team is too virtuous to win & voters are too evil or dumb to see the truth."

—Jonah Goldberg



caliphate4vr said...

We bought a seat in a Republican district with a hipster dufus candidate, who got trolled into getting engaged. If we do it 23 more times, we get a Democratic House, a Speaker Pelosi, and maybe impeachment.

i though this line from Jonah was better

Amused, James said...

No, NOW the fun begins:

Draft of GOP Health Care Bill Leaks

Senate leaders “were putting the final touches on legislation that would reshape a big piece of the U.S. health-care system by dramatically rolling back Medicaid while easing the impact on Americans who stand to lose coverage under a new bill,” the Washington Post reports.

“The bill largely mirrors the House measure that narrowly passed last month but with some significant changes. While the House legislation pegged federal insurance subsidies to age, the Senate bill would link them to income as the ACA does. The Senate proposal cuts off Medicaid expansion more gradually than the House bill, but would enact deeper long-term cuts to the health-care program for low-income Americans. It also removes language restricting federally-subsidized health plans from covering abortions, which may have run afoul of complex budget rules.”

Good ole gentle fair minded pastor Jim said...


Read More »

Most Think GOP Health Care Plan Will Be Harmful

A new Reuters/Ipsos poll finds that a majority of the country thinks the GOP health care bill “would be harmful for low-income Americans, people with pre-existing health conditions and Medicaid recipients.”

Key findings: “Nearly 60% of adults said they thought it would make insurance more expensive for low-income Americans and people with pre-existing conditions. Fifty-seven percent said it would make Medicaid less available, and 69% said it would cut federal money for Planned Parenthood.”

James's Dad said...

Gohmert: Anti-GOP Shooter Was Conditioned By Media’s ‘Hate-Filled Propaganda’

"Texas Republican Rep. Louie Gohmert unloaded on the media and Obama-era holdovers at the Department of Justice on Wednesday after the FBI announced that it was treating last week’s attempted mass assassination of Republican congressmen as “assault” rather than terrorism.

Gohmert said that the FBI’s refusal to label the attack as terrorism indicates that there are too many officials from the previous administration in the DOJ and charged that the left-wing shooter, James T. Hodgkinson, was conditioned by “hate-filled propaganda” from the media and some Democrats"

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Sadly I think this is what has happened to little jimmy

wphamilton said...

What went wrong?

1) Continuing to campaign against Trump isn't going to increase your votes from what they were to begin with. I had way too much contact from Ossoff's campaign, and I still don't know what he stands for except against Trump.

2) The outside influences diluted his message, whatever it was. These Democrats need to learn to design a message, an explicit agenda, and stick to it.

rrb said...

“hate-filled propaganda” from the media and some Democrats"
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otherwise known as:

"this is what democracy looks like!!!11!"