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Thursday, July 13, 2017

My final word on Trump Jr...

So many legal (sic) experts on the left have determined that Donald Trump Jr committed a criminal act by agreeing to meet with an unknown person (said to be a Russian Government attorney) who supposedly had some dirt on Hillary Clinton. This argument relies on two specific premises:
  • That under the definition of criminal campaign finance statutes preventing solicitation of any contributions from foreign government... certain "information" could be seen as a contribution because it provides "something of value". 
  • In spite of the fact that the person in question was not a party to the Russian Government and that this person actually provided no information of value, the argument is that Trump Jr could still be charged with "conspiracy" to commit campaign finance fraud for simply agreeing to the meeting with someone he might have believed was a representative of the Russian government.
I would offer several major problems with this logic. First is that in the history of our campaign finance laws, nobody has ever been charged with a crime for receiving information from a foreign agent or foreign government. In spite of plenty of evidence that this has happened before, no prosecutor has ever tried to argue such a case. The decision for a prosecutor to expand the campaign finance law reach to include "information" as a campaign contribution could only be seen as a blatant attempt to create a new standard of legal jeopardy for Trump that never existed before. The political fallout would be enormous, and rightfully so. 

Secondly, the entire concept of "conspiracy to commit" seems a little bit premature, given what little is known.  Logically the actual crime would not be "receiving" the information, but actually "using" the information, as the information would be of "no value" unless it could be used (otherwise you undermine the first argument). The Conspiracy to commit also requires that one of the Parties makes an overt act to initiate the crime (actus reus).  So the conspiracy to commit would require evidence that Trump intended to do more than just meet, but would likely require some specific proof that Trump had a concrete plan to use the information, and that he made some overt act in relation to that action. Ultimately, conspiracy to commit would be another very rare charge to make in regards to campaign finance violations. To have an unprecedented charge being piggybacked onto an extremely rare "conspiracy to commit" charge, seems even a more blatant attempt to simply expand criminal liability in order to "get Trump". 

Lastly, we would still need to use the Comey/Clinton standard of "mens rea". How could you suggest that Donald Trump Jr had intent or knew he was committing a crime, when such actions had never been prosecuted before?  This is a large reason why prosecutors rarely charge people with crimes that are not generally used, and why prosecutors rarely take it upon themselves to loosely interpret a statute to prosecute someone for something outside of what is generally prosecuted. It's difficult to prove intent, when you are carving out new legal ground on the fly. 

64 comments:

rrb said...


to repeat from a previous thread:

"The Code of Federal Regulations makes the law immunizing Trump Jr.’s actions precisely clear: any foreign national individual may volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political committee without making a contribution. The law provides this volunteer “exemption” as long as the individual performing the service is not compensated by anyone on the campaign. See 11 CFR 100.74. For example, as the Federal Election Commission advises all, “an individual can provide volunteer services to a candidate or party without considering the value of those service a contribution to the candidate or party.” Section 30121 of Title 52 does not apply to voluntary activity or services. The thing “of value” must be actual money, or its transferable equivalent, not a volunteer of services or information. Otherwise, if volunteering information in coordination with a campaign constituted donations, everyone from John Harwood to Chuck Todd (and maybe all of CNN) made millions in donations to the Hillary campaign, as WikiLeaks emails disclosed."

http://lawnewz.com/opinion/why-donald-trump-jr-is-innocent-period/

the money quote (pun intended):

"The thing “of value” must be actual money, or its transferable equivalent, not a volunteer of services or information."


so who get's to decide the "value" of information? and how is it measured? in what monetary denomination? US dollars? bitcoin? a basket of produce from the local farmers market?

our waterheaded liver boy really needs to get a grip when it comes to this particular issue. and since the "information" the russian lawyer provided in the meeting turned out to have nothing to do with felonia von pantsuit after all, then one must conclude that the "value" of the info provided had a value of zero.

opie said...

My final word on Trump Jr...


Another empty promise.

opie said...

"The thing “of value” must be actual money, or its transferable equivalent, not a volunteer of services or information."

Courts have found otherwise......

Commonsense said...

The you have case law you can cite?

Yeah, thought not.

IS THERE ANYTHING TO THIS? said...

is there anything to this:


What Trump Owes the Russia Mafia

New Republic: “The very nature of Trump’s businesses—all of which are privately held, with few reporting requirements—makes it difficult to root out the truth about his financial deals. And the world of Russian oligarchs and organized crime, by design, is shadowy and labyrinthine.

“But even without an investigation by Congress or a special prosecutor, there is much we already know about the president’s debt to Russia. A review of the public record reveals a clear and disturbing pattern: Trump owes much of his business success, and by extension his presidency, to a flow of highly suspicious money from Russia.

“Over the past three decades, at least 13 people with known or alleged links to Russian mobsters or oligarchs have owned, lived in, and even run criminal activities out of Trump Tower and other Trump properties. Many used his apartments and casinos to launder untold millions in dirty money. Some ran a worldwide high-stakes gambling ring out of Trump Tower—in a unit directly below one owned by Trump. Others provided Trump with lucrative branding deals that required no investment on his part. Taken together, the flow of money from Russia provided Trump with a crucial infusion of financing that helped rescue his empire from ruin, burnish his image, and launch his career in television and politics.”

Loretta said...

No pedophilia to swoon over yet today Pastor James Boswell?

IS THERE ANYTHING TO THIS? said...

Joe Scarborough says he is no longer a Republican.
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DOJ Won’t Release Sessions’ Contacts With Russians

“In defiance of a court order, the Justice Department is refusing to release part of a security form dealing with Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ contacts with the Russian government,” NPR reports.
_________________
All Roads Now Lead to Kushner

Nicholas Kristof: “Look, this is a murky, complicated issue. But this much we know: Kushner attended a secret meeting whose stated purpose was to advance a Kremlin effort to interfere in the U.S. election, he then failed to report it, and finally he sought a secret channel to communicate with the Kremlin.

“One next step is clear: Take away Jared Kushner’s security clearance immediately

IS THERE ANYTHING TO THIS? said...

Trump Completely Absent from Health Care Push

Rick Klein: “It may be fitting that Senate Republicans are meeting today to discuss the latest version of their health care bill while President Trump is six time zones away. His appearance in Paris is a reminder that the president hasn’t held a public event on U.S. soil since before his last foreign trip. And it speaks to something larger: The president is both everywhere and nowhere right now. For as much as the president has dominated Washington and national news cycles through nearly six months in office, the new normal has him strikingly beside the point when it comes to big legislative pushes.

“It’s not only that he’s not involved in health care negotiations, it’s that he’s barely offered a single public or even private comment about what specifically he wants in it. Asked about the consequences of inaction on health care Wednesday, he said Congress runs the risk … of making him mad: ‘I don’t even want to talk about it because I think it would be very bad. I will be very angry about it and a lot of people will be very upset.'”
______________

No Movement on the GOP Health Care Bill

Sam Baker: “If Republicans were moving any closer to a deal yesterday, they didn’t show it. Among the rotating cast of senators most likely to keep the bill shy of 50 votes, no one seemed to be softening — if anything, some opponents seem to be hardening.

“Sen. Rand Paul, whose vote was already gone, reiterated his opposition yesterday.

“The bill’s moderate critics — including Sens. Susan Collins, Shelley Moore Capito and Lisa Murkowski — are still concerned about Medicaid, and for now, the Medicaid cuts seem locked in.

“The insurance industry’s opposition to Cruz’s consumer-choice plan won’t help it win moderate support, and if it doesn’t find a way into the bill, Cruz, Mike Lee and (potentially) Ron Johnson are likely out.”

Politico: “McConnell needs 50 votes simply to open debate on the bill next week, and he is well short of that number.”

Playbook: “The Kentucky Republican has said — and we have written — that he’ll bring the bill up either way, which will force a tough vote for many Republicans. If Republicans fall flar on their face and fail to get 50 votes to open debate, the hope in Senate GOP leadership is that something starts to come together from the ashes of defeat.”
________________
Trump Lawyers Try to Control an Unruly Client

Politico: “Trump’s legal team is attempting to separate the president from Donald Trump Jr. and the son’s legal team on Russia matters, as well from Jared Kushner and his legal team, over concerns that the blurred lines could create unnecessary problems, according to these sources. They have tried to block Trump’s warring band of aides from joining meetings with his lawyers, warning that they could become witnesses or be forced to hire lawyers if they attend.

“Similar to his freewheeling governing style, Trump wants many people in the room for meetings and will sometimes ask lawyers for advice about people they do not represent, two West Wing aides said. At the same time, most West Wing aides don’t have lawyers yet and have sometimes asked lawyers not representing them for guidance.”
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DOJ Settled Case Involving Trump-Linked Lawyer

“Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee asked the Justice Department TO EXPLAIN a decision to settle a money-laundering case in May that involved the Russian lawyer who held a controversial meeting last year with Donald Trump Jr,” Bloomberg reports.

“Natalia Veselnitskaya worked with a Cyprus-based company, Prevezon Holdings Ltd., that is controlled by a Russian businessman and was accused of a tax theft and money laundering scheme.

“The U.S. agreed on May 12 to take $5.9 million to settle the lawsuit tied to a $230 million Russian tax fraud, avoiding a trial that was set to begin the following week.”

YEAH, EXPLAIN THAT.

KD, Jane, in jail? said...

Off topic,needs to be said


Madam Yellen after hand sitting during the Lost Years and running up a 4 Trillion dollar debt at the Federal Reserve and 11 Trillion under Obama, all of a freaking sudden is "concerned" about the US National Debt.


Hypocrisy on the grandest of Liberal Scale.

Loretta said...

IS THERE ANYTHING TO THIS?July 13, 2017 at 8:03 AM
Trump Completely Absent from Health Care Push

Rick Klein: “It may be fitting that Senate Republicans are meeting today to discuss the latest version of their health care bill while President Trump is six time zones away. His appearance in Paris is a reminder that the president hasn’t held a public event on U.S. soil since before his last foreign trip. And it speaks to something larger: The president is both everywhere and nowhere right now. For as much as the president has dominated Washington and national news cycles through nearly six months in office, the new normal has him strikingly beside the point when it comes to big legislative pushes.

“It’s not only that he’s not involved in health care negotiations, it’s that he’s barely offered a single public or even private comment about what specifically he wants in it. Asked about the consequences of inaction on health care Wednesday, he said Congress runs the risk … of making him mad: ‘I don’t even want to talk about it because I think it would be very bad. I will be very angry about it and a lot of people will be very upset.'”
______________

No Movement on the GOP Health Care Bill

Sam Baker: “If Republicans were moving any closer to a deal yesterday, they didn’t show it. Among the rotating cast of senators most likely to keep the bill shy of 50 votes, no one seemed to be softening — if anything, some opponents seem to be hardening.

“Sen. Rand Paul, whose vote was already gone, reiterated his opposition yesterday.

“The bill’s moderate critics — including Sens. Susan Collins, Shelley Moore Capito and Lisa Murkowski — are still concerned about Medicaid, and for now, the Medicaid cuts seem locked in.

“The insurance industry’s opposition to Cruz’s consumer-choice plan won’t help it win moderate support, and if it doesn’t find a way into the bill, Cruz, Mike Lee and (potentially) Ron Johnson are likely out.”

Politico: “McConnell needs 50 votes simply to open debate on the bill next week, and he is well short of that number.”

Playbook: “The Kentucky Republican has said — and we have written — that he’ll bring the bill up either way, which will force a tough vote for many Republicans. If Republicans fall flar on their face and fail to get 50 votes to open debate, the hope in Senate GOP leadership is that something starts to come together from the ashes of defeat.”
________________
Trump Lawyers Try to Control an Unruly Client

Politico: “Trump’s legal team is attempting to separate the president from Donald Trump Jr. and the son’s legal team on Russia matters, as well from Jared Kushner and his legal team, over concerns that the blurred lines could create unnecessary problems, according to these sources. They have tried to block Trump’s warring band of aides from joining meetings with his lawyers, warning that they could become witnesses or be forced to hire lawyers if they attend.

“Similar to his freewheeling governing style, Trump wants many people in the room for meetings and will sometimes ask lawyers for advice about people they do not represent, two West Wing aides said. At the same time, most West Wing aides don’t have lawyers yet and have sometimes asked lawyers not representing them for guidance.”
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DOJ Settled Case Involving Trump-Linked Lawyer

“Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee asked the Justice Department TO EXPLAIN a

YEAH, EXPLAIN THAT.

Pastor James Boswell trolling and spamming every thread again today.

Must not have any pedophilia to swoon over yet today

KD, Welfare rolls dropping said...

Courts have found otherwise......" Opie ok, give us the Federal Cite so we can all read what you have read and we will see if we come to the same conclusion.


Dow Hit new High,,, Jane and Alky are stung by the continuing "TRUMP Economic BUMP",,,,, oh and jobs, yep, got those too, up , up and up.

What is that Liberals, your message to the working joe and jane is really not being heard over the sound of the paycheck.

james's fucking daddy said...

The Plot Thickens

Radical Dem Worked For Russian Lawyer Who Met With Trump, Jr.

"Radical left-wing icon former California Democratic Rep. Ron Dellums was a hired lobbyist for Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr. June 9, 2016, the Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group has learned.

Dellums, who represented liberal San Francisco and Oakland, Calif., is a long-time darling of left-wing political activists. He served 13 terms in Congress as an African-American firebrand and proudly called himself a socialist. He retired in 1996.

The former congressman is one of several high-profile Democratic partisans who was on Veselnitskaya’s payroll, working to defeat a law that is the hated object of a personal vendetta waged by Russian President Vladimir Putin."

"This is not the first time Dellums’ advanced the interests of dictatorships. As a congressman, he was fond of Cuban President Fidel Castro, and he supported Cuba’s military intervention in Africa.

Dellums also sued President George W. Bush’s 1991 military effort to liberate Kuwait after Saddam Hussein invaded the country."

"According to a complaint filed to the Department of Justice Foreign Agents Registration Act division last July, Dellums failed to register as a foreign agent representing a Russian-driven effort led by Veselnitskaya to repeal the Magnitsky Act."

"Glenn Simpson, founder of Fusion GPS, also joined the Russian lawyer and “worked with her on a legal case for years,” according to The Washington Post.

Fusion GPS is the firm that reportedly commissioned a phony “dossier” authored by former British spy Christopher Steele that alleged salacious and largely erroneous charges about President Donald Trump."

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/12/exclusive-radical-dem-worked-for-russian-lawyer-who-met-with-trump-jr/

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SMELLS TO HIGH HEAVEN, OF COURSE "pastor" jim boswell won't ever see this..
HE CAN"T FUCKING HANDLE THE TRUTH !!!

Loretta said...

Knock knock...

https://mobile.twitter.com/larryelder/status/885358560992821248/photo/1

KD, US Fed working against Voters said...

Trump was Elected on Nov 8th, results confirmed it early nov 9th, 2016.

The Hillary Camp started the #Resistbecausewelost crap on the same day, looking to the court to nullify votes, all votes, all trump votes that is.

Then this hag of a tired old sad ass liberal grenade thrower had to work against the new President Elect.

"Economy
Federal Reserve Chair Throws Cold Water On Trump's Economic Plan


November 17, 2016·5:25 PM ET "

Look at the date she came out against Trump, they really did have a plan B, Plan A Hillary wins, Plan B Nullify the Voters Voice and hurt the US Economy as much as possible.

Loretta said...

LOL

Loretta said...

Finally, a President whom loves this country arrives in France.

Along with our beautiful, graceful First Lady, very refreshing.

IT JUST KEEPS GETTING DEEPER, DOESN'T IT? said...

Pence Spokesman Won’t Say If His Boss Met with Russians

In an interview on Fox News, Vice President Mike Pence’s spokesman Marc Lotter refused, repeatedly, to say if the vice president had met with any Russians himself during the presidential campaign.
______________________

‘A White House That Doesn’t Know What It’s Doing’

Chuck Todd spoke at an Axios roundtable this morning and reported the White House “doesn’t know what it’s doing. They have no idea how to make legislation happen. They have no idea how to work with Congress. They came in with no big plan, no big agenda.”

He added: “We’re at a point where it’s every man and woman for themselves. It’s not a point where everyone is abiding by that, but it’s more and more every day.”

Also interesting about President Trump: “He showed me his DIRECTV list…he records a lot. If it’s not about him, then [channel click noise]. He watches all five Sunday shows every Sunday at some point in time.”

ARE WE PAYING HIM TO VACATION, GOLF, AND YELL AT THE TVs?
_______________

Nearly All Health Care Ad Spending Is Opposed to GOP Bill

Amy Walter notes the forces opposed to the GOP’s health care legislation are outspending those supporting the bill $5.8 million to $354,000.

“According to data supplied to the Cook Political Report from Kantar Media CMAG, a nonpartisan tracker of political TV advertising, there have been 26,713 ads run between May 23 and July 10 that mention the health care bill. Just over 25,000–or 94 percent–of those ads have been critical of the GOP plan. Note that these figures don’t represent digital or radio ad buys.”

KD, Jane are you always so sick said...

Clinton and Ukraine, so she sent an campaign staffer to met with actual government officials to dig for dirt on President Trump, yawn, it is ok , she has a cunt and a "D".

KD HyperBolic loser for life said...

Finally, a President whom loves this country arrives in France.

Along with our beautiful, graceful First Lady, very refreshing.
"Ette

The return of class to the Office of the President and that of the First Lady, a true lady.

Macron, he sure is chummy with OUR President.

opie said...

http://electionlawblog.org/?p=93762

Nathaniel Persily at Stanford University Law School said one relevant statute is the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002. "A foreign national spending money to influence a federal election can be a crime" ..... "And if a U.S. citizen coordinates, conspires or assists in that spending, then it could be a crime." (See Coates' definition of expenditure, below)

Persily pointed to a 2011 U.S. District Court ruling based on the 2002 law. The judges said that the law bans foreign nationals "from making expenditures to expressly advocate the election or defeat of a political candidate."

John Coates at Harvard University Law School, said if Russians aimed to shape the outcome of the presidential election, that would meet the definition of an expenditure.

"The [expenditure] could also be viewed as an illegal contribution to any candidate who coordinates (colludes) with the foreign speaker," Coates said.

To be sure, no one is saying that coordination took place. What’s in doubt is whether the word "collusion" is as pivotal as Jarrett makes it out to be.

Coates said discussions between a campaign and a foreigner could violate the law against fraud. "Under that statute, it is a federal crime to conspire with anyone, including a foreign government, to ‘deprive another of the intangible right of honest services,’

opie said...

Along with our beautiful, graceful First Lady, very refreshing.

You meant the mail order child bride....LOL!!!!

Glad donnie didn't grope macrons wife like he proudly said own a bus....

Loretta said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Fatty

opie said...

Loretta the blind cunt said...
You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Fatty

james's fucking daddy said...

FEC Has Kept Documents About Democrats Secret For Years


The requested documents span a variety of topics, ranging from communications regarding former FEC official Lois Lerner, the central figure in the IRS targeting scandal, to internal communications and commission policy documents.

Four unfulfilled requests, including the oldest, seek records related to FEC commissioners’ travel. These documents are especially relevant because of a recent report showing the Democratic members of the commission have taken at least 50 trips funded by foreign groups, governments and U.S. taxpayers since 2002.

WHAT ARE THE DEMOCRATS HIDING ????

WHEN WILL THE ASSHOLE "pastor" JIM BOSWELL STOP SPAMMING ???
WHO'S HIS DADDY ?

ROFLMFAO !!!

Loretta said...

" and that of the First Lady, a true lady."

At least Melania wants to be here, unlike Mikey.

Loretta said...

You forgot LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Fatty

C.H. Truth said...

Opie -

In your example... The court ruled that making "making expenditure" is banned. That hardly qualifies as the Court ruling that providing information is banned.

In fact, it further solidifies the opposite... as the legal definition of expenditures is limited to some form of payment or something of transferable value.

(what you actually offered is the opinion of a law professor - not a court case)

A closer legal ruling was the one Rat offered, where the law specifically allows that a foreigner could volunteer time (as long as they were not paid for that time)... and makes clear that the law does not consider "voluntary activity or services" a contribution. But rather limits the definition of contribution to money or a transferable equivalent.

Both cases use the concept of money or the transferable equivalent as the definition of "expenditures" - which is not unusual, since expenditures is a well defined legal term.

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So try again. When you find an actual court case (not an opinion) that define expenditure as "providing information" then we will be happy to review it.

But this just ain't it, ace.

opie said...

hardly qualifies as the Court ruling that providing information is banned.

Try to keep up CH. My point is still that the courts have determined that data is something of value with respect to law and foreign interference. Something donnie jr was caught trying to get from the russians. Please reset and try again. The court case was cited. And this seems crystal clear to anyone but you, CH.

http://electionlawblog.org/?p=93762

In MUR 5409 (2004), the Federal Election Commission voted 5-1 to accept the general counsel’s finding that Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform (a corporation) provided a “thing of value” to the Bush-Cheney reelection campaign. It was a list of conservative activists in 37 states. Some of the information may have been publicly available when Norquist gave it to Ken Mehlman of the campaign. The General Counsel found that this was a prohibited corporate contribution and that Bush-Cheney violated the law by failing to report it. But it found the list had so little value that the General Counsel did not recommend pursuing the matter further.

C.H. Truth said...

Two points on that one, Opie...

If you read the General Counsel's report... it was found that the "list of activists (potential donors, etc)" provided had "substantial market value" because others would find the list valuable and be willing to pay for it. He pointed out that they spend five years creating the list.

So technically the "market value" of the list of activists would be a something of "transferable value". It was tangible marketing research with tangible value to other politicians in future elections.

That was the argument of the General Council - so make this fit, you would have to argue that the information provided to the Trump team (which was nothing) would have transferable market value to another candidate in another race.. and could be technically sold.

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Secondly, the General Counsel ultimately suggested that the case be dropped, because it was not of "enough" value to pursue legally. So the Bush campaign (in spite of actually taking the information) was not charged with an FEC violation.

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So if your really want to use this as precedent... you would have to accept that this sort of "transferable value" is still not considered valuable enough to pursue.

So by your own argument, there would be no case against Trump because there was no information of value provided (much less transferable value)

C.H. Truth said...

My Guess is that Opie just took the word of the blogger... and didn't bother to read the actual report from the General Counsel.

KD said...

Courts have found otherwise......

July 13, 2017 at 7:22 AM" Opium


Yet oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhdddddddddddddddddddddoooopie, can't find one.

Keep trying ace, your sure to be right on one subject someday, just not this subject and not today.



"Operation HoneyPot" (aka Veselnitskaya) So we do know what President hatched the idea, Obama to aid Hillary. Stinks to high Heaven, Lordie.

rrb said...

C.H. Truth said...
My Guess is that Opie just took the word of the blogger... and didn't bother to read the actual report from the General Counsel.
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just like the alky and the pederast.

liberals all read from the same playbook.

rrb said...

My point is still that the courts have determined that data is something of value with respect to law and foreign interference.

In MUR 5409 (2004), the Federal Election Commission voted 5-1 to accept the general counsel’s finding that Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform (a corporation) provided a “thing of value” to the Bush-Cheney reelection campaign.
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re-read your own copy/paste, asshat.

a general counsel's finding is not "the court."

and it turned out the "list" had no value anyway.

care to try again?

rrb said...

Joe Scarborough says he is no longer a Republican.
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suckling at the teat of MSDNC for years and years will do that to a guy.

Laughing, James. said...

Future historians will laugh at the facial expressions alone of "President" Donald Trump during the joint press conference.

C.H. Truth said...

Actually the "list" was a five year research project of potential Republican donors and volunteers. The General Counsel did not find (as Opie and the blogger suggests) that "generic information has value".

In fact the General Counsel made the argument that this particular market research was not just "information" but rather had tangible market and tangible transferable value. Botton line: The market research could be sold to other people, therefor had value.

So it actually fell (in his opinion) within the boundaries of transferable market value... and it was not an argument that information alone was a violation.

Ultimately, however, it was deemed that the value was not worthy of pursuing any sort of case against the Bush team. So they did not charge anyone.

Oh DEAR! said...

Grassley Wants Trump Jr. to Testify Next Week

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA) told NPR that he has sent a letter to Donald J. Trump Jr. saying that he wants him to testify in an open session of the committee as early as next week and will subpoena him if necessary.

OBAMA WAS RIGHT said...

Graham and Cassidy Propose Alternative Health Plan
s
“With the prospects for passing the current Senate Republican health care bill still in jeopardy, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-LA) are working with their GOP colleagues on an alternative approach to replacing Obamacare: keeping much of the federal taxes in place and sending that money to the states to control,” CNN reports.

David Nather summarizes the key points:

All federal spending on ACA health insurance — $110 billion in 2016 — would be turned over to the states.

Insurers would still have to cover pre-existing conditions.

Most of the ACA taxes, except the one on medical devices, would stay in place.

Loretta said...

No pedophilia to swoon over yet today Pastor James Boswell?

Loretta said...

No pedophilia to swoon over yet today Pastor James Boswell?

OBAMA was a PIECE of SHIT said...


and all his worshipping, spamming, minions are the same.

WHO'S YOUR DADDY james?

ROFLMFAO !!!

*** CORRECTION *** said...

OBAMA IS A PIECE OF SHIT

thanks pastor jim boswell, for enabling my posting. I do appreciate.


ROFLMFAO !!!

caliphate4vr said...

re-read your own copy/paste, asshat.

a general counsel's finding is not "the court."

and it turned out the "list" had no value anyway.


Fatty only comes here to troll

It's pathetic

Grassley's final word on Donald Ttrump said...

that he wants him to testify in an open session of the committee as early as next week and will subpoena him if necessary.

FINAL WORD ON POS OBAMA said...


He's still a piece of shit,

thanks james


ROFLMFAO !!!

Loretta said...

No pedophilia to swoon over yet today Pastor James Boswell?

james's fucking daddy said...


Maybe we can name an outhouse after him. Of course it would be a transgender outhouse.

Thanks james

ROFLMFAO !!!

Loretta said...

LOL

Myballs said...

Trump's FBI nominee promised Lindsey Graham that he'd look into the clinton campaign meeting with Ukrainian officials and actually getting documents damaging to Trump from them.

Those glass houses are a bitch.

But that's why I voted for the bastard said...

Trump says a full wall with Mexico is not necessary.

james's fucking daddy said...


Uh, james you didn't vote for "the bastard", you voted for the fucking crooked bitch.

WHO'S YOUR DADDY?

ROFLMFAO !!!

wphamilton said...

If you read the General Counsel's report... it was found that the "list of activists (potential donors, etc)" provided had "substantial market value" because others would find the list valuable and be willing to pay for it. He pointed out that they spend five years creating the list.

This is why, in the other thread, I said that "damaging information" wouldn't be a "thing of value" in the statute's context. I know as well as anyone, better than most given the company I work for, that data about people does have market value. Data about one person, damaging data, not so much.

It's a reach too far, and isn't going anywhere. If any crime is alleged, it won't be based on campaign finance laws, as far as Jr's meeting goes.

Roger Amick said...

Well it is up to 6 people in the room now. Even Hannity had asked Diaper Don if there was anyone else and he said no.

Last word? No it's not.

rrb said...



stay on top of that for us alky.

let us know when it's time for a merry fitzmas party.

Roger Amick said...

Most of them legal experts did not say the junior committed a crime. We know who did the guy had lied on his 86 form. He lied and I that there isn't another Russian there that you guys ignored. A former spy agency and yeah right.

I told you I was going to keep trickling out drip drip drip drip drip. It's turning into a storm is going to swamp the White House. A level 5 hurricane is about right. And a 9.8 earthquake

Roger Amick said...

reports that there was a sixth person who was present during Donald Trump Jr.‘s meeting last year with Natalia Veselnitskaya.

Earlier today, NBC reported that there was an unknown fifth person who attended the discussion where Trump Jr. and his father’s campaign staff would supposedly learn sensitive Russian information that could damage Hillary Clinton. This individual, later identified as Rinat Akhmetshin, was described as a former Soviet counterintelligence worker who currently acts as a Russian-American lobbyist.


Drip drip drip drip drip drip drip

caliphate4vr said...

What?

Roger Amick said...

There are further comments saying that maybe one or two more other people were at the meeting. Not only that some people are saying that some paperwork passed to the to the Trump people well we'll see. It's not confirmed I'm not saying it happened but don't say it's didn't he could easily have happened on these people. They have been caught in three or four lies why not why not stop now.

C.H. Truth said...

Yawn...

james said...

drip drip drip drip drip drip
Yeah, it does get kind of boring.

Roger Amick said...

The Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr. and others on the Trump team after a promise of compromising material on Hillary Clinton was accompanied by a Russian-American lobbyist — a former Soviet counterintelligence officer who is suspected by some U.S. officials of having ongoing ties to Russian intelligence, NBC News has learned.

The lobbyist, first identified by the Associated Press as Rinat Akhmetshin, denies any current ties to Russian spy agencies. He accompanied the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, to the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower attended by Donald Trump Jr.; Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law; and Paul Manafort, former chairman of the Trump campaign.

Born in Russia, Akhmetshin served in the Soviet military and emigrated to the U.S., where he holds dual citizenship. He did not respond to NBC News requests for comment Friday, but he told the AP the meeting was not substantive. “I never thought this would be such a big deal, to be honest,” he told the AP.

it's only boring if you think that Donald Trump tells the Trump to very time and is faultless . Dementia is serious Coldheartedtruthnomore

Roger Amick said...

Sometimes when I talk into it doesn't quite work out pretty straightforward . Some people think Trump can do no harm, nothing wrong Coldheartedtruthnomore.

They are handling this whole story so badly this is amazing, you can tell it's run by much of amateurs.

Roger Amick said...

Prediction
It ain't over you no matter what you think Coldheartedtruthnomore.

Dementia

rrb said...


Anonymous caliphate4vr said...
What?
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LOL, exactly.

you should see the mess waterhead the liver boy posted over on the hospice blog.

galactic in its fucktardedness.