https://www.scribd.com/document/363002970/Manafort-gates-Indictment-Filed-and-Redacted#from_embed
The counts are
- Conspiracy against the United States
- Conspiracy to launder money
- Failure to file reports 2011-2014
- Unregistered agent of a foreign principal
- False and misleading statements
Basically the first charge of conspiracy is a bucket list of the last three charges... that by failing to file reports, not registering, and making false statements, Mueller is suggesting that they conspired to commit crimes. I am no legal expert, but either you committed crimes or you didn't. I am not sure I have ever heard of someone being charges with crimes as well as conspiracy to commit those same crimes.
I am also puzzled by the language that they "conspired to launder money". According to the legal definition of "conspiring" to commit a crime, it suggests that the charge is an incomplete charge. In other words, you make an agreement or a plan to commit a crime, but never actually follow through with committing said crime or were otherwise unsuccessful. Either they laundered money or they didn't. The indictment shows a physical list of transactions that are being questions.
It almost appears as of the money transfers may not be technically illegal (which could explain why charges were not previously brought)... but that Mueller is suggesting that they their intentions were to break the law.
I will have to see what the legal "experts" make of this. But at first glance the indictment looks a little "Trumped" up. That being said, the failure to file FBAR reports (alone) can result in fines upwards of $500,000 and jail time. That seems to be where much of the exposure lies at this point.
Lastly: The indictment has nothing to do with the 2016 election, Donald Trump, or Manafort actions regarding the Trump campaign.
It almost appears as of the money transfers may not be technically illegal (which could explain why charges were not previously brought)... but that Mueller is suggesting that they their intentions were to break the law.
I will have to see what the legal "experts" make of this. But at first glance the indictment looks a little "Trumped" up. That being said, the failure to file FBAR reports (alone) can result in fines upwards of $500,000 and jail time. That seems to be where much of the exposure lies at this point.
Lastly: The indictment has nothing to do with the 2016 election, Donald Trump, or Manafort actions regarding the Trump campaign.
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I am also puzzled by the language that they "conspired to launder money".
I am puzzled that you think you are a lawyer,,,,,Donnie's got some 'solanin to do....Gonna start connecting the dots that russian and american's were talking.....follow the money just like muller is doing....it never lies like trump....
"The indictment has nothing to do with the 2016 election, Donald Trump, or Manafort actions regarding the Trump campaign."
The kiddies have their dreams....
hmmmm where did that $500,000 speakers fee and 145 million in donations go????
maybe the Clintons might have a clue.
LET'S FOLLOW THE MONEY
Lastly: The indictment has nothing to do with the 2016 election, Donald Trump, or Manafort actions regarding the Trump campaign.
Plea bargain.
It's just getting started.
It's just getting started.
You suppose he's got some other unrelated charges to make in the near future?
"Plea bargain."
Hail Mary.
Lastly: The indictment has nothing to do with the 2016 election,
You don't know that as absolute fact.....we shall see what unfolds and shoes drop as deals are made. Gonna be fun for people like me watching you all spin into the ground. Wonder what caused Papadopalous to lie to the FBI....Money??? Wonder what else he knows about the e-mails....WOW!!!!!
Trump Campaign Adviser Met With Russian to Discuss ‘Dirt’ on Clinton
By MATT APUZZO
October 30, 2017
WASHINGTON — A professor with close ties to the Russian government told an adviser to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in April 2016 that Moscow had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails,” according to court documents unsealed Monday.
The adviser, George Papadopoulos, has pleaded guilty to lying to the F.B.I. about that conversation. The plea represents the most explicit evidence connecting the Trump campaign to the Russian government’s meddling in last year’s election.
You suppose he's got some other unrelated charges to make in the near future?
Absolutely.
You don't know that as absolute fact..
Yeah... actually I do.
The Indictment is the indictment.
It's 31 pages long and there is not a single reference to the 2016 election, to coordination with Russia, or any mention of Trump, or any mention of work on the 2016 campaign.
So AS AN ABSOLUTE FACT the indictment has nothing to do with the 2016 election.
A professor with close ties to the Russian government told an adviser to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign in April 2016 that Moscow had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails,” according to court documents unsealed Monday.
So you have some Russian professor reaching out to a guy who hadn't even officially joined the campaign at the time... and the guy in question was told (by senior Trump campaign members) that his information was not useful.
This story first came out in August:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-emails-show-aides-repeated-efforts-to-set-up-russia-meetings/2017/08/14/54d08da6-7dc2-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?utm_term=.a6c3f5d539ff
It's not new news.
Also...
The information on George Papadopoulos was provided to the FBI from the Trump campaign. Hardly new information regarding any conspiracies.
The reason that I see a plea bargain is that he's been indicted for a long time. The indictment has no collusion, but more importantly is that if he's agreed to tell everything in a deal to get no jail time, look out.
It ain't over by a long shot CH. You will have to find another way to defend the President again and again
The indictment has no collusion now. What did he agree to? 😀😀😀😀
CH is following orders.
In a tweet, Trump sought to distance himself from Manafort and insisted that “the focus” should turn to “Crooked Hillary,” reviving his old campaign moniker for election opponent Hillary Clinton.
Unrelated. Ok.
CHT, the public dual lyching of oDopie and Lilly Lynn was merciful.
Let me sum up Roger's posts.
"IF"
hey alky,
can we expect an alky-lanche of copy/paste news reports every fucking 5 minutes, or are you just going to accept the fact that what you're pasting we've already read?
why don't you make yourself useful and go play with your fox blocker?
It ain't over by a long shot CH. You will have to find another way to defend the President again and again
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no one is defending the president, fuckstick. we're just dealing with the facts as we know them to be.
you, on the other hand, are jerking off all over yourself on occupy democrats facebook page copying and pasting trump jumpsuit photos on the hospice blog.
http://coldheartedtruthlegacy.blogspot.com/2017/10/magnificent-monday.html
oh, and KD is right -
your house IS a shithole.
Let's go dodgers
Federal judge blocks enforcement of Trump’s directive banning military service by transgender individuals
By Washington Post Staff
I have been saying things by myself all morning.
KD does not know shit. Half his life is insults directed at me.
Our house is not a dump. It's very nice and yes it's worth over a half million.
The registered deed is only in his wife's name according to the CA open public online records.
The home is a dump and badly dated.
Lol, not what CA Public Records reflect.
"I could have made a million dollar profit" Lilly Lynn
"OUR" Lilly Lynn
LOL, so funny, your an interloper in that home.
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I have been saying things by myself all morning.
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Roger Amick said...
Federal judge blocks enforcement of Trump’s directive banning military service by transgender individuals
By Washington Post Staff
October 30, 2017 at 12:08 PM
It ain't over by a long shot CH.
Perhaps you should just admit I was right and you were wrong (again) and move past it.
I stated for several weeks (when I read the tea leaves) that a Manafort indictment (that did not include any indication of 2016 election wrongdoing) would be a sign of weakness.
When (in the wake of growing criticism and revelations that are harmful to Democrats) Mueller (and his team of Democrats) leaks news of an indictment to CNN...
What timing, huh?
Only to have it turn out to be pretty much EXACTLY what I have been predicting all along. That Manafort would be indicted for things that have nothing to do with the 2016 election.
Others (here and elsewhere) were convinced that Mueller would be indicting people in regards to the 2016 election election. Even over the weekend, the speculation was that it was going to be a "dam breaking" and that Trump may himself be indicted. Even you were linking pictures of Trump being arrested.
Why can't you ever admit that you were factually wrong... as were the people you garner your opinions from.
meanwhile... I was right. Again.
I am not following any talking point here Roger. I am not spinning these events.
I made these observations weeks ago... long before this took place.
Dallas Federal Manufacturing report, up 6.8 %.
What Hurricane?
Consumer spending soars.
Why can't you ever admit that you were factually wrong... as were the people you garner your opinions from.
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because, like the people he get's his opinions from, he's desperate for mueller to threaten manafort with a life sentence, with the only thing to avoiding that life sentence being manafort throwing trump under the bus for who the fuck knows what.
like scooter libby, this is an indictment in search of a crime. in this case to feed a false narrative that was cooked up to explain the loss of the worst presidential candidate in the history of the nation.
the fact that this bullshit has been allowed to continue reflects just how fucked we really are as a nation.
Trump just dropped to his all-time low approval rating
huh.
so kevin spacey is a fag and a child molester.
never saw THAT coming.
You never defend the President????
Too funny. Calling everything that is negative on the President isn't defending him.
Too stupid LOL
wow alky, that's deep.
see? your comments are so much better when you write them all by yourself.
So AS AN ABSOLUTE FACT
A very small truth in a sea of despair that is coming down the pipe.....The little papadoplous bombshell is going to be the straw that breaks trumps back.....keep hoping CH.....that is your best bet....LOLOL....Even though no mention of trump....everything is revolving around trump and his closest people running the campaign....he cannot escape the fact the people he surrounded himself stunk of russian money. And to ignore how close he was to these heathens.. it can only mean he knew what was going on and tacitly approved the actions... Oh well, CH....how the mighty may fall.
10 million dollar bail.....sounds pretty serious......Too funny!!!!
So you actually believe that the special prosecutor is in the conspiracy theories.
I believe that Mueller garnered an indictment for a crime that he might possibly prove.
I believe that it was not the crime that you and others were hoping for.
Simple as that.
At this point (factually) the idea that this indictment somehow leads to Trump/Russia collusion charges is really the "conspiracy theory"... not the other way around.
CH the wisher posted....
election wrongdoing) would be a sign of weakness.
Quite the opposite my dear CH....Mullers charges have the added problem for Paulie....they are not only a federal problem which could be pardoned by donnie....but they are also a big no no in NY which may include lots of jail time that donnie can't fix. Oh well, sure seems Muller is a whole lot smarter than you, CH. He's got the upper hand with the charges which can make the POTUS very uncomfortable and is no sign of weakness, but a show of someone knowing how to squeeze people. Keep patting yourself on the back as you ride the trump train to perdition. All aboard!!!!! Down playing papadaopolis as limited because he was a volunteer is most amusing. Maybe you should talk to donnie and help him make a better excuse.....seems russians were promising e-mails from hillary....WOW. Sounds like he is singing like a canary.....LOL
This is the guy that will cause the most trouble for Trump and Manafort was in on this....Oh Oh!!!!
Papadopoulos met with Russian who sought to broker relationship with Trump campaign
Prosecutors say a Russian-connected professor whom George Papadopoulos met with in early 2016 said he had information on Hillary Clinton that included thousands of the Democrat's emails.
WASHINGTON — A professor with close ties to the Russian government told an adviser to Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign in April 2016 that Moscow had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails,” according to court documents unsealed Monday.
The adviser, George Papadopoulos, has pleaded guilty to lying to the F.B.I. about that conversation. The plea represents the most explicit evidence that the Trump campaign was aware that the Russian government was trying to help Mr. Trump and that the campaign was eager to accept that help.
As part of that effort, the Russian government hacked Democratic accounts and released a trove of embarrassing emails related to Mrs. Clinton’s campaign. The Trump campaign has repeatedly denied any inside knowledge about that.
“They have dirt on her,” the professor told Mr. Papadopoulos, according to the documents. “They have thousands of emails.”
Opie...
There would be no reason for Trump to pardon Manafort... nor has Trump ever said he was going to pardon Manafort.
Manafort worked for Trump for a matter of a few month, only a few weeks as his campaign manager... when Manafort was fired by Trump for not disclosing his ties to Ukraine.
btw... are you still confused by the difference between Ukraine and Russia or have you figured that out yet?
Another funny thing about the Manafort charges.....No witness needed....the paper trail is self supporting and iron clad....the man is more fucked than KD's head.....LOL
There would be no reason for Trump to pardon Manafort.
Your opinion and so what? I'm sure you talked to donnie about this. LOL The few month argument is classic BS and a repeat of what trump said. I guess you could proffer that in court and would be laughed out of the room. BTW...he was campaign manager from June to August....I guess you feel that is not enough time to do anything wrong....LOL
btw... are you still confused by the difference between Ukraine and Russia
Yeah....your condescension is duly noted ..... I'm probably about as confused as Obama and his 57 states...LOL
So you actually believe that the special prosecutor is in the conspiracy theories..( in this case to feed a false narrative that was cooked up to explain the loss of the worst presidential candidate in the history of the nation.)
You obviously give a fuck what the country stands for. You believe that the False News and every single person who, Republicans or Democrats are working together to get Trump because Clinton lost.
You obviously need a psychological evaluation.
Nope, obama said it.
Fartsucker
" that by failing to file reports, not registering, and making false statements, Mueller is suggesting that they conspired to commit crimes."
Mueller is charging him with the actual crime of failing to disclose his status as a foreign agent, the actual crime of failing to disclose revenue arising from his activities as a foreign agent, and the actual crime of lying to the FBI to cover up those crimes. He doesn't have to "suggest" a conspiracy to charge those crimes. Any such "suggestion" aka "criminal charges" would be additional to those crimes.
Ok.
Great.
Convict them.
I agree with that mindset, whatever the party or position held if they have committed crimes and abused the public trust, throw the book at them.
But this looks like the initial rolling up process, with the low-level Papadopoulos cutting a deal and serious charges pending against Manafort and his partner Gates. This is almost surely not the end of it.
CH it does get us closer to proving that Trump was involved with the Russians. His top campaign official was a clandestine foreign agent, deeply involved with the Russian government. The lower level campaign consultant actively sought to exploit contacts with the Russian government. It's a couple of necessary steps forward if ever a case is made.
BTW KD, it is likely that Podesta was hip deep in Manafort's mischief since the obscured "Company A" and "Company B" in the indictment are probably the Podesta Group and/or Mercury LLC, i.e, the Podesta brothers including the campaign chair for Hillary Clinton.
His top campaign official was a clandestine foreign agent, deeply involved with the Russian government.
Well according to the indictment he was deeply involved with the Ukrainian government. As that was who he worked for, that was where the money came from. There is only a cursory reference to Russia and nothing about the Russian government.
I think you and Opie have the same trouble understanding that those two countries are not one and the same.
When you figure out how to reconcile the differences between Russia and Ukraine, then come back and make a real argument.
The lower level campaign consultant actively sought to exploit contacts with the Russian government.
Not sure who you are referring to?
because it certainly cannot be the Trump volunteer who talked to a Russian professor and then some person who he though was Putin's niece, but turned out it wasn't... and then tried (unsuccessfully) to convince higher ups that he could set up a meeting for Trump.
Because talking to a professor and an impostor certainly is not exploiting contacts with the Russian Government.
Besides... let's be perfectly honest.
If the Mueller team really tried to use this guy (in July of this year) to suck out information from the Trump team in an ongoing investigation... how desperate must he actually be?
Well according to the indictment he was deeply involved with the Ukrainian government. As that was who he worked for, that was where the money came from. There is only a cursory reference to Russia and nothing about the Russian government.
I think you and Opie have the same trouble understanding that those two countries are not one and the same.
Well that was a gratuitous slam, since I was referring to the Russian offices and employees of Manafort's lobbying company, the obvious Russian connection of his top client in Ukraine, and his Washington lobbying efforts on behalf of Russia. Which are all detailed in the indictment.
Besides... let's be perfectly honest.
If "we" are being perfectly honest, we will acknowledge Papadopoulos' extensive efforts to establish meetings between the Trump campaign and Russian agents. Extensive efforts to cultivate contacts with the Russian government.
So yes, the staffer who sought to exploit Russian contacts is none other than Papadopoulos.
Well that was a gratuitous slam, since I was referring to the Russian offices and employees of Manafort's lobbying company, the obvious Russian connection of his top client in Ukraine, and his Washington lobbying efforts on behalf of Russia. Which are all detailed in the indictment.
I read the indictment WP... the entire indictment. In fact you can search the indictment for the word Russia. The only relevant mention of Russia was that DMP had staff in the United States, Ukraine, and Russia... and that one of the Parties involved was "Pro-Russia".
But there is nothing in the indictment that ties Manafort with any Russian Government officials and there is nothing in the indictment that ties Manafort with the 2016 election.
You are simply wrong on fact.
we will acknowledge Papadopoulos' extensive efforts to establish meetings between the Trump campaign and Russian agents
Well then WP...
I guess you solved your puzzle. Good for you!!
Papadopoulos is Mr Russian collusion. Him, the professor, and the fake Putin niece. All the culprits. Now we can all sleep well, knowing that the jig is up.
I guess Mueller made a mistake only charging him with making false statements.
Should have charged him with "collusion"... since that is where the "evidence" leads, huh?
Meuller and his legal team say the case against Papadopoulos is "a small part" of a "large-scale ongoing investigation".
You seem to be confused regarding the scope of this first flurry of indictments. Aaron Zelinsky of the special counsel's office spoke of a "road map" of the larger investigation during the plea hearing, which he did NOT want revealed for the chilling effect on other witnesses. You would be well advised to accept that the investigation is still ongoing, and much broader than the limited charge and plea deal of the first charged individual.
Meuller and his legal team say
I am glad you folks are staying in touch.
You seem to be confused regarding the scope of this first flurry of indictments.
You mean the indictment of Manafort (and partner) that everyone already expected... and has nothing to do with the 2016 election?
Or did I miss the other flurry?
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