The two men pleaded not guilty to all charges during a court appearance later Monday. A spokesman for Gates said the former lobbyist "welcomes the opportunity to confront these charges in court."
Tony Podesta steps down from name sake lobbying firm
The Podesta Group is widely believed to be Company A or Company B and associated with the business dealings of Manafort and Gates.
23. To minimize public disclosure of their lobbying campaign, MANAFORT and GATES ananged for the Centre to be the nominal client of Company A and Company B, even though in fact the Centre was under the ultimate direction of the Government of Ukraine, Yanukovych, and the Party of Regions. For instance, MANAFORT and GATES selected Company A and Company B, and only thereafter did the Centre sign contracts with the lobbying firms without ever meeting either company. Company A and Company B were paid for their services not by their nominal client, the Centre, but solely through off-shore accounts associated with the MANAFORT-GATES entities, namely Bletilla Ventures Limited (in Cyprus) and Jeunet Ltd. and Global Endeavour Inc. (in Grenadines). In total, Company A and Company B were paid more than $2 million from these accounts between 2012 and 2014.How deep was the Podesta group involved? Were they a a partner in whatever scheme was being concocted or an unwitting pawn used by Manafort and Gates to accomplish their dastardly deeds?
Former foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos charged with lying to FBI
Something tells me that the at least some of the media will run further with this story than the Manafort indictment, largely because it still has an element of "collusion".
But there are a slew of major problems with this being a huge story.
- First, the documentation and information on Papadopoulos was provided to the FBI from the Trump administration.
- Second, the documentation suggested that Papadopoulos's outreach to Trump's senior campaign staff was repeatedly rebuked.
- Lastly, Papadopoulos was charged with providing false statements, not talking to Russians.
127 comments:
This is just the beginning. Only the beginning...
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/30/where-is-bob-mueller-headed-next-215762
How deep was the Pedestal group involved?
Not enough to divert the Muller investigations as you are praying for. Can only blame others for so long before the reaper catches up.....sad how much BS is being tossed around by those defending the perpetrators. Campaign officials encouraged papadopolis....wonder who that was? Don Jr, manafort....this is the low level mole that will be the one that brings trumps down.....Great theatre!!!!!! Especially here!!!
Well Opie...
According to the facts of the indictment
It appears that that Podesta group was named (but redacted).
While it appears that there was no mention of Trump or the campaign.
So at this point, there is more reason to suspect that the Podesta group is involved than the Trump campaign.
btw... have you figured out the difference between Ukraine and Russia yet?
Ch is surely aware of the old prosecutorial practicey of working one's way up the totem pole. Amassing several people willing to spill info on higher ups to lessen their own punishments.
*practice
While it appears that there was no mention of Trump or the campaign.
LOL another yawn to your obfuscation...Hiillary lost, Trump is the one in legal peril....LOL
Yeah....your condescension is duly noted ..... I'm probably about as confused as Obama and his 57 states...idiot
Ch claims that as openings go,
this is nothing.
A more qualified opinion:
"As opening salvos go,
it's a doozy."
https://politicalwire.com/2017/10/30/two-takeaways-muellers-indictments/
Lets see..... Who is that resigning Podesta's brother who also worked for that named firm and who was his boss during the election cycle ????
Have we found out who benefited from a $500,000 speaking fee and $145 million dollars of contributions ?
Real hard to see were this is going.
Digging up information is acceptable, except when Clinton paid for the research.
But the big story is the this.
A professor with close ties to the Russian government told an adviser to Donald J. Trump’s presidential campaign in April 2016 that Moscow had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails,” according to court documents unsealed Monday.
The adviser, George Papadopoulos, has pleaded guilty to lying to the F.B.I. about that conversation. The plea represents the most explicit evidence that the Trump campaign was aware that the Russian government was trying to help Mr. Trump and that the campaign was eager to accept that help. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/george-papadopoulos-russia.html?hp=undefined&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0&auth=login-email
Trump has said that Papadopolos didn't keep him informed on this, but he's the boss and who would believe him given his long history of blatant lies, or at least misleading comments. The two indictments did not imply or show any collusion, yet. Yes folks, we are just seeing the first wave of Horricaine Trump's presidency;
Oh and that final dot.... that would be king obama....
We will see how honorable Mueller really is.
and if he is, Nixon is off the hook.
"
Lets see..... Who is that resigning Podesta's brother who also worked for that named firm and who was his boss during the election cycle ????"
Aaaand millions of liberal erections just turned flaccid.
Low hanging fruit.
Yawn.
boy oh boy the smelling salts and fainting couches are getting a work out today. Enjoy leftist.enjoy.
E.D. Party
CH: Lastly, Papadopoulos was charged with providing false statements, not talking to Russians.
He pleaded guilty this morning. He had been in contact with the Russians and he plead to crimes of knowledge of the Russian information and 'dirt" on Clinton and the Trump administration was informed. The President? Now that's the big question.
Highly sophisticated response to the breaking news.
Low hanging fruit.
Yawn.
October 30, 2017 at 4:13 PM
Blogger KD said...
boy oh boy the smelling salts and fainting couches are getting a work out today. Enjoy leftist.enjoy.
October 30, 2017 at 4:13 PM
Blogger KD said...
E.D. Party
CHT encourages:
- ongoing on topic discussions regarding the post in question
- critical analysis and disagreement
- open back and forth between regular users
You can't so that's all youv'e got.
"Now that's the big question."
No it isn't.
It's the big question only if you're unable to stick with the facts.
Shut the fuck up spammer.
If the Mueller allegations are true, it means that Trump's campaign manager from March to August 2016 was a criminal because he
1) laundered millions of dollars
2) evaded taxes
3) concealed his role as a lobbyist for a foreign government.
“The latter point is the most alarming. It raises the possibility that a foreign power, without knowledge of the electorate, influenced the policy of the party that ultimately won the presidency."
--Financial Times
Yes, Roger, the President knew. And?
Spam
Yes, Manifold bad. He broke the laws and in a real twist for liberals they want the law followed. So do i. I have always supported LEO and thier duty.
Did not understand the Electorate"
Why bring Campaign Hillary into this.
Those inside the White House were not surprised by the indictments of Manafort and Gates or the charges against them. What worries those insiders is not so much the possibility of collusion with the Russians, but what Mueller's investigators will yet turn up on Trump and his minions.
Roger, Mr deep thinker.
What did Obama and Hillary buy from GPS fusion for 3 million plus dollars?
Comey said that made up fiction called the Trump dossier was the basis for the events of today. Do you agree?
Admitting that the "collusion" is over?
But ......
"Roger, Mr deep thinker."
LOL.
4:43 That's where the real action is.
Collusion is over?
Not as long as people keep pleading guilty. :-)
Let's give him a chance. He is always self - fellating.
Maybe he can tell us, this time in his own words, his answers to my questions.
He has been studying US History for most of his life, he said he is a political, economic, financial and constrution expert. He every college degree holder is in absolute awe of him.
Obsession defined
KDOctober 30, 2017 at 4:51 PM
Roger, Mr deep thinker.
What did Obama and Hillary buy from GPS fusion for 3 million plus dollars?
Comey said that made up fiction called the Trump dossier was the basis for the events of today. Do you agree?
Reply
KDOctober 30, 2017 at 4:55 PM
Admitting that the "collusion" is over?
But ......
Reply
LorettaOctober 30, 2017 at 4:55 PM
"Roger, Mr deep thinker."
LOL.
Reply
Replies
KDOctober 30, 2017 at 5:02 PM
Let's give him a chance. He is always self - fellating.
Maybe he can tell us, this time in his own words, his answers to my questions.
He has been studying US History for most of his life, he said he is a political, economic, financial and constrution expert. He every college degree holder is in absolute awe of him.
The last sentence is incomprehensible.
They are pleading guilty to collusion?
You got that from where?
See roger, when I show you some compassion and give you a chance to shine, you don't, you do go all dim bulb.
So should I give you another chance?
Sure, 2nd chance granted.
"The Podesta Group retroactively filed lobbying disclosures in April admitting their previously hidden Ukrainian lobbying activities."
Five years after they started.....
Didn't her campaign manager work there previously and didn't his brother have some kind of role ?
Didn't Hillary sell something to those Ukes ?
Didn't she make a ton of money off them ??
And her and obama both funded a foreign group that manufactured dirt... and may have been used as the foundation of a democratic party coup attempt aka the resistance, not to be confused with antifa, occupy wall street, black lives matter etc...
History may well not be kind to those supporters, interesting times...
What should we be following ? didn't someone say money ?
LOL! Just look at this. Roger actually took the time to go back, highlight shit to complain about obsession, LMAO!
"Obsession defined
KDOctober 30, 2017 at 4:51 PM
Roger, Mr deep thinker.
What did Obama and Hillary buy from GPS fusion for 3 million plus dollars?
Comey said that made up fiction called the Trump dossier was the basis for the events of today. Do you agree?
Reply
KDOctober 30, 2017 at 4:55 PM
Admitting that the "collusion" is over?
But ......
Reply
LorettaOctober 30, 2017 at 4:55 PM
"Roger, Mr deep thinker."
LOL.
Reply
Replies
KDOctober 30, 2017 at 5:02 PM
Let's give him a chance. He is always self - fellating.
Maybe he can tell us, this time in his own words, his answers to my questions.
He has been studying US History for most of his life, he said he is a political, economic, financial and constrution expert. He every college degree holder is in absolute awe of him.
The last sentence is incomprehensible."
Kevin Spacey, is gay??
No your a pervert. He was 14 year old boy.
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes.
Today's pro law enforcement leftist are supporting the full investigation of Obama, Hillary, Bill Clinton and The DNC.
Whitefish Energy, Senator Schumer's baby.
"What should we be following ? didn't someone say money ?"
Bingo.
"Kevin Spacey, is gay??"
There's a shock..
"No your a pervert. He was 14 year old boy."
Not according to pastor James Boswell.
Before blocking Hb, our host said Roger would contact him to baby spit up whine about us.
Pastor James Boswell has never defended or been part
of any form of pedophilia., LIAR-etta, and if you don't
believe that, you are legally and ethically required to report him to the authorities.
You have not because you know it is not true.
WHY IS OBAMACARE SUCH A DISASTER?
The whole premise of the question is nonsense:
1. Even after this year's price increases, the cost of an Obamacare plan is $642 LOWER than the cost of individual plan before Obamacare.
Before Obamacare
2009 = $3,867
2010 = $4,061
2011 = $4,247
2012 = $4,433
2013 = $4,628
Silver Plans after Obamacare
2014 = $3,725
2015 = $3,778
2016 = $3,986
2017 = $4,222
2. The Average cost of health insurance plans dropped by 10% to 21% after Obamacare was passed.
3. The cost of Obamacare plans is 20% below original CBO projections.
4. Without Obamacare, insurance costs would be 30% to 50% higher than they are today.
5. Over the whole four years that Obamacare has been in existence, the total increase has been 13.3%. That's an Average of 3.3% per year.
6. Even with the low price increases, people who have trouble paying are given subsidies and cost sharing options that reduce their premiums to a small percentage of their income. (That’s what Trump is trying to repeal right now.)
Obamacare Premiums Are Lower Than You Think
7. According to the Brookings Institute:
"Average premiums for the second-lowest cost silver-level (SLS) marketplace plan in 2014, which serves as a benchmark for ACA subsidies, were between 10 and 21 percent lower than average individual market premiums in 2013, before the ACA...."
"And in 2016 - two years into the marketplaces' operation - premiums are still lower than they were in the individual insurance market in 2013. They're 20 percent below the Congressional Budget Office's (CBO) original projections, write co-authors of the analysis, Paul Ginsburg and Loren Adler. In addition to lower than expected premiums, ACA plans include a host of benefits many policies didn't have before the law took effect. That, along with a guarantee of coverage for all who apply for health insurance and restrictions on medical underwriting should have caused a precipitous spike in the cost of health plans..."
https://www.healthinsurance.org/...
8. The same thing has happened in the employer-based group market.
Before Obama care passed, employer-based health insurance rate were going up at 13.8% per year.
After Obamcare passed, employer-based health insurance rate have been going up at a rate of 5.4%.
2015 Employer Health Benefits Survey - Summary Of Findings
9 As more proof that Obamacare has lowered costs, Bankruptcies caused by Medical Bills have been cut in half:
2010 = 1,536,799
2016 = 770,846
10. There has been a 13% decrease in the number of people how can't pay medical bills.
How the Affordable Care Act Drove Down Personal Bankruptcy
As more proof, according to the CBO, if Republican plans to repeal Obamacare are passed the following things will happen:
A. 30 million people in the individual marekt would lose health insurance.
B. By 2026, 7 million people will lose health insurance in the non-Obamacare, EMPLOYER-BASED market.
C. There would be higher deductibles and higher out-of-pocket expenses. From the CBO report:
"Because of plans' lower average actuarial values, CBO and JCT expect that individuals' cost-sharing payments, including deductibles, in the nongroup market would tend to be higher than those anticipated under current law. In addition, cost-sharing subsidies would be repealed in 2020, significantly increasing out-of-pocket costs for nongroup insurance for many lower-income enrollees."
D. Premium would rise by as much as 750% under the new plan. From the CBO report:
"CBO and JCT estimate that repealing the individual mandate penalties would also result in higher health insurance premiums in the nongroup market after 2017."
The people who need it most, older people, would see the worst effects, "substantially raising premiums for older people."
For example a single person making $26,500 would see the following increases in premiums:
40 years old = $700/year increase
64 years old = $12,900/year increase
For a 64 year old, that's an 758% increase.
E. Under Obamacare, plans were required to cover at least 60% of costs. Under the new plan, those limits are removed, so worthless plans, like those we had before Obamacare would be back on the market. Cosumer Reports evaluated those plans and called them "worse than having no insurance at all."
F. The CBO estimates that 15% women living in rural areas would lose access to family planning as a result of cuts to Planned Parenthood.
G. Republicans claim the plain reduces the deficit, but it does it by making things worse than they were BEFORE Obamacare. This is what Medicaid coverage looks before Obamacare, after Obamacare and after the Republican plan:
2013 = 60 million
2016 = 70 million
2026 = 56 million
In other words, there are 4 million fewer people covered under Medicaid than before Obamacare.
In 2013, before Obamacare went into effect, Medicaid enrollment was 60 million. In 2016, the enrollment had grown to 70 million. According to the CBO, in 2026, Mediciad enrollment will be cut by 14 million over 2016.
H. People with disability are covered under Medicaid. Likewise, elderly people who need nursing home care and can't afford it, rely on Medicaid to receive nursing home care. The Republican plan would throw many of those people out on the street.
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files...
Medicaid enrollment total U.S. 1966-2017 | Statistic
I. According to hospital CEOs in Colorado, repealing Obamacare would cause eight hospital to go bankrupt. The hospitals are mostly in rural Colorado. Losing the hospitals would mean that thousands of people would have to drive hundreds of miles just get medical treatment.
Colorado hospitals could close if Obamacare is repealed and not replaced, execs say
First, let's just stop the partisan silliness. Neither party has a monopoly on shady characters. And the clintons most definitely qualify for that list.
The big question is will Mueller go after both sides? Or will he ignore the democrats like he has done before?
These current charges have nothing to do with Trump. Even the guy who pled guilty was only an unpaid volunteer.
"Oh, and I do indeed think teenage kids, post pubescent ones that is, can be sexy. I have always thought so." Pastor James Boswell
Spam by the pedo
Anonymous Barack Obama said...
9 As more proof that Obamacare has lowered costs, Bankruptcies caused by Medical Bills have been cut in half:
You're an idiot that doesn't know this subject. You can file bankruptcy with a $1000 of med debt and still owe $40k in credit card debt
Go away james no one wants your pedophilac views
Faux News is the Fake News bullshit. They ignored the indictment.
Here's What 'Fox & Friends' Covered On Manafort Indictment Day
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-and-friend-manafort-indictment_us_59f74fa0e4b09b5c25675c24
You surprised me, but this is possibly a problem. We have to get together again soon and keep our politicians honest.
These current charges have nothing to do with Trump. Even the guy who pled guilty was only an unpaid volunteer.
Let's see before we let Trump what to think.
Much better cable and online news source is now:
http://www.oann.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK5I5I3VzmQ
LIAR-etta lies again. It's in her DNA. I NEVER said I found post-pubescent "kids" attractive, only post-pubescent females. Young women, in other words.
Last girl I remember being attracted to, I was a third grader and she a second grader.
LIAR-etta has no commitment to the truth. Only to her boundless, vicious, hateful lying.
And Cali, you are legally, ethically, and morally responsible to report me, if you really believe I am "pedophilac" [misspelled, by the way].
So why don't you? (Answer obvious.)
Your father would be really ashamed of you. Probably was.
The big question is will Mueller go after both sides?
___________________
Podesta is being investigated.
I knew Cali would especially dislike 6:21 and 6:22 :-)
...several details in the Manafort indictment ... suggest how steep a climb it will be to beat the charges.
First, $18 million in alleged money laundering carries the likelihood of many years in prison under federal sentencing guidelines.
Second, the charges may be tough to defend because they involve not reporting bank accounts on tax forms for multiple years.
And finally, the indictment goes out of its way to kneecap a standard defense argument in such cases — that the defendant got bad advice from their accountant. The indictment charges that Manafort wrote specifically to his accountant that he did not have such accounts.
____________________
If Manafort knows what is good for him, he will sing, sing, sing.
A plea to Republicans: Reserve judgment if you wish, talk about Hillary if you will. But DON'T defend Paul Manafort or trash Robert Mueller.
Bill Kristol
James
You do realize that money laundering (by definition) is the moving of illegally obtained money to hide a specific unlawful activity.... and the money in question was well known to be from lobbying for the Ukrainians (which is not illegal). Mueller's contention (and from everything I have read is a dubious one) is that the specific unlawful activity was the fact that Manafort was an unregistered foreign agent. That is unlikely to stick.
The failure to register as a foreign agent is not a charge that is generally made. The Justice department generally allows people to register post activity, rather than charge them with a crime.
Even if they did charge him.. the law regarding foreign agent registration is a misdemeanor which has a maximum sentence of 6 months.
So Mueller's contention is that Manafort moved millions of dollars around in an attempt to deceive the law enforcement community from the fact that he was committing a misdemeanor that is punishable by a maximum of 6 months.
I am curious as to how your sources believe Mueller convinces anyone of that?
Little Lilly Lynn on the casting couch.
Jane, let me as clearly as I can inform you of the Law.
No on this blog is a "mandatory Reporter".
Hillary's 70 birthday party selected guest. ((*October 26th*))
Tony Pedestal
Sidney Blumenthal.
Lastly, Papadopoulos was charged with providing false statements, not talking to Russians. True, it was not a crime.But as the day went on, there was more and more evidence that he probably got some dirt on Clinton into the Trump campaign, and it's very difficult to accept that his dirt did not end up beinng used by the Trump campaign. In an interview with the Washington Post, Trump aaid he's a good goy, smart, and a bit more. I saw it beu didn't spend the time to Google it,but Trump was aware of the guy and probably, given the fact that Trump is nn "in charge of everything" kind of guy, he probably did heaa about the dirt
Second before I sign off, I get to go to Kaiser Sunset tomorrow.LA traffic is so much fun. There is quite a story about how the President is handling this tough day. "Upstairs at home, with the TV on, Trump fumes over Russia indictments " https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/upstairs-at-home-with-the-tv-on-trump-fumes-over-russia-indictments/2017/10/30/fd0d0b16-bd87-11e7-8444-a0d4f04b89eb_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpmueller-730pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.e9793dda618a
Given his behavior since being sworn in, it's not shacking new.
Twenty members of the West Wing staff gave anonymous reports to the Post.
Separated from most of his West Wing staff — who fretted over why he was late getting to the Oval Office — Trump clicked on the television and spent the morning playing fuming media critic, legal analyst and crisis communications strategist, according to several people close to him.
The president digested the news of the first indictments in special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe with exasperation and disgust, these people said. He called his lawyers repeatedly. He listened intently to cable news commentary. And, with rising irritation, he watched live footage of his onetime campaign adviser and confidant, Paul Manafort, turning himself in to the FBI.
Initially, Trump felt vindicated. Though frustrated that the media were linking him to the indictment and tarnishing his presidency, he cheered that the charges against Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, were focused primarily on activities that began before his campaign. Trump tweeted at 10:28 a.m., “there is NO COLLUSION!”
But the president’s celebration was short-lived. A few minutes later, court documents were unsealed showing that George Papadopoulos, an unpaid foreign policy adviser on Trump’s campaign, pleaded guilty to making a false statement to the FBI about his efforts to broker a relationship between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin. The case provides the clearest evidence yet of links between Trump’s campaign and Russian officials.
snip
“The walls are closing in,” said one senior Republican in close contact with top staffers who spoke on the condition of anonymity to speak candidly. “Everyone is freaking out.”
Trump is also increasingly agitated by the expansion of Mueller’s probe into financial issues beyond the 2016 campaign and about the potential damage to him and his family.
This portrait of Trump and his White House on a day of crisis is based on interviews with 20 senior administration officials, Trump friends and key outside allies, many of whom insisted on anonymity to discuss sensitive internal matters.
This isn't going to be turned into an attack on "Crooked Hillary Clinton" that's a pathetic attempt to distract from the real issue, the possibility that yes, our President dd collude with the Russian government to change the outcome of our election. #impeachent even possibly with a Republican controlled congress.
Good night from the the sober akly for five years, four months and five days, one day at a time.
The guy was a foreign agent who illegally kept it secret (ie, clandestine), illegally hiding money he was paid by Pro-Russian element in Ukraine, and you guys are taking a victory lap because it wasn't worse?
Over a dozen felony charges, and someone here tells us "it won't stick because it wasn't illegal."
Spam by the drunkard.
When does the blog Deep Thinker HB return.
He has some questions to give us his opinion on.
Review of the errors that the Left made, first mistake when attempting to get elected know the rules of the game, aka a football game is won by out scoring the opposition, not on how many passing yards you rack up, case in point , Ignorant Cunt Jane.
Blogger James said...
As of Monday, the truth-telling, highly objective evangelical prognosticator at election-projection.com, says:
Current Projections
as of Monday, October 31, 2016
ELECTORAL VOTES
Hill. Clinton 323
Donald Trump 215
She is up +108
POPULAR VOTE
Hillary Clinton 50.3%
Donald Trump 44.7%
This give Clinton a +5.6% advantage in the popular vote.
October 31, 2016 at 10:45 AM"
Spiked the ball at the 3 yard line, returned 97 yard for the Trump Win.
Mr Deep thinker wanted us to remember, ok, we have.
Roger Amick said...
Oh my.
Paul said "Trump in a landslide"!
Never forget!!!
October 31, 2016 at 3:52 PM"
a year ago and the left thought just being with HER was enough.
Jail them for their crimes.
Next?
Over a dozen felony charges, and someone here tells us "it won't stick because it wasn't illegal."
WP - you are a smart guy.
Nobody is saying Manafort didn't attempt to get around some paperwork and possibly even keep his money flow dynamic for a variety of reasons.
But ask yourself...
why was he not charged with actually laundering money?
why was he charged with conspiracy to launder money?
look up the legal definition of conspiracy as pertains to a criminal charge.
Read McCarthy's piece - tell us where he is wrong?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453244/manafort-indictment-no-signs-trump-russia-collusion
Mr. Deep Thinker our on Roger, said he has a brother that did not grow up in the same home as he did. Disfunction al from the beginning.
Nobody is saying Manafort didn't attempt to get around some paperwork
Get around some paper is a most interesting way to obfuscate the crimes he is charged with....the paper is all there...you can spin it anyway you like, but 10 million bail speaks volumes about the evidence and his legal travails !!!!!
look up the legal definition of conspiracy as pertains to a criminal charge
I am absolutely certain Muller knows the definition a whole lot better than your vain attempt at lawyering....sad, CH!!
Actually the bond is nearly meaningless as a Guage of crime status.
Bond is set with a person's ability to post it with a financial incentive to appear in court in future dates.
I want these three and many more to be charged, tried and when the evidence supports it, convicted.
Your confused, look who CHT. Directed his question.
I saw several former and current prosecutors yesterday that the crimes Manafort were charged with, are in almost every case, it's a "slam dunk".
He is facing life in prison without parole.
John Kelly calls Robert E. Lee an ‘honorable man’ and says ‘lack of compromise’ caused the Civil War
Yeah, another alternate fact.....LOL
I am absolutely certain Muller knows the definition a whole lot better
which is why Mueller didn't charge him with money laundering.
I saw several former and current prosecutors yesterday that the crimes Manafort were charged with, are in almost every case, it's a "slam dunk".
Can you name all of them?
He is facing life in prison without parole.
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sure he is, alky:
Specifically, Congress considers false statements in the specific context of foreign-agent registration to be a misdemeanor calling for zero to six months’ imprisonment. (See Section 622(a)(2) of Title 22, U.S. Code.) That is the offense Mueller charges in Count Eleven. But then, for good measure, Mueller adds a second false-statement count (Count Twelve) for the same conduct — charged under the penal-code section (Section 1001 of Title 18, U.S. Code) that makes any falsity or material omission in a statement to government officials a felony punishable by up to five years’ imprisonment.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/453244/manafort-indictment-no-signs-trump-russia-collusion
I will later on.
An appointment with the liver transplant doctor this morning. Happy Halloween👹👺👹👺👹☠☠☠☠☠☠👹 Update: My blood lab tests taken yesterday morning came out and every single test was in the normal range. Every single one of them. 😍
No
One
Cares
LOL
The specific crimes, both state and federal, have long sentences. The National Review is specifically about collusion, not on the charges against the United States and money laundering.
You folks seem to believe that this whole thing is as the President says that it's a "witch hunt "
It's not.
Manafort faces decades in prison and hundreds of millions in fines.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/manafort-and-gates-face-decades-in-prison-millions-in-fines/2017/10/30/ea8ec1c6-bd8e-11e7-9294-705f80164f6e_story.html
Refute that rrb, I will wait until you get another link from a partisan right wing source
If it's a "witch hunt" it will snare Hillary.
Couldn't happen to a more corrupt politician
Would be justice served.
Paul Butler and former Bronx prosecutor Seema Iyer. Franklin Fauer. Just a few
which is why Mueller didn't charge him with money laundering.
And is that why you posted your drivel???? There are enough charges that can put that theif away for life....good, the world will be a better place if trump goes with him....LOL
Blogger Roger Amick said...
The specific crimes, both state and federal, have long sentences.
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no, actually they don't.
and i will take a former federal prosecutor's opinion over that of an AP reporter any day of the week.
you gave me nothing to refute, alky. all that AP guy did was look up each statute and find the corresponding sentence. no mention of whether they would run consecutively or concurrently, or even the probability of which one would stick.
what you're touting is the equivalent of a high school book report.
good job alky. even when you copy and paste you make yourself look like an idiot.
ironically, the scumbag on mueller's staff who leaked the GJ sealed indictments to cnn would be in more trouble than manafort should they be caught and prosecuted.
"Manafort faces decades in prison and hundreds of millions in fines."
IF convicted on ALL counts.
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The National Review is specifically about collusion, not on the charges against the United States and money laundering.
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that's because there are no charges for money laundering.
specifically, the charge is: Conspiracy to Launder Money
learn the difference between what you're claiming and what is actually true and then get back to us.
oh, and congrats on dr. ching chang chung telling you he's giving you a little longer with your 2nd hand liver. you have much to be proud of, alky. not everyone can say they damn near drank themselves to death but were given a second lease on life thanks to another person's misfortune.
All you ever have are third grade insults directed at me. Obsession
Look it up.
"LIFE, WITHOUT PAROLE"
White collar crimes don't get that kind of terms.
How many times have I told you that my liver transplant was not as a result of my drinking. PCLD
http://.www.google.com/PCLD
"Roger AmickOctober 31, 2017 at 8:28 AM
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Virus.
Roger -
You didn't actually read the McCarthy link... Why pretend you did?
McCarthy very specifically goes through the conspiracy against the United States, the conspiracy to commit money laundering charges, and every other charge provided.
The only charge he suggests is probably a slam dunk is the failure to register as foreign agents... which has been prosecuted less than ten times in history and only carries a maximum penalty of 6 months.
I thought he glossed over the failure to file the FBA reports... which seem to have more teeth than the foreign agent charge and seems just as obvious to me.
Of course Roger...
You are only seeing an indictment. By nature, an indictment does not allow any defense cross examination and it is factually one sided.
We have not yet seen Manafort's defense. Would you consider it "unfair" to wait to see both sides of the story before jumping to an absolute conclusion?
Nkt without parole isn't for civil crimes. But a 40 year sentence would be a lifetime.
Let me help deep thinker HB.
Noted lawyer Alan Dorssherwitz (sp?)., No getting the President, collusion is not a crime.
Walking back your emotional dumbass rant.
Too funny.
Hillary 300 Electoral Votes
Mueller leak, Breaking News.
5 indictments, at the top of Gps, Dnc, and uranium one.
FBI Informant was "deposed" two months ago by Mueller team.
I haven't read it yet, no. I tend to distrust anything from the National Review. But I will check it out later on. Your review was surprisingly critical.
I have to leave within an hour. And you actually care, my blood test results are right down the line, within normal range. I will follow up with the review of the article.
"Civil Crime" Deep Thinker HB.
Would you please name three of them, I for one have not heard that term before.
IF convicted on ALL counts.
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precisely.
the alky's being guided by his wet dreams instead of reality again.
at best mueller get's two counts to stick, and according to mccarthy, even they're redundant.
liberals are doing what they always do - they're getting themselves worked up into a frothing frenzy over the remotest, tiniest, and most unrealistic possibilities.
it's "merry fitzmas!!!11!" all over again.
"rove!" "squawk!"
"frog march!" "squawk!"
I tend to distrust anything from the National Review.
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of course. make sure you got that fucking fox bocker fired up, alky. they'll be reporting pretty heavily on this and we wouldn't want your pre-disposed wet dreams to be interrupted by a dose of factual reporting.
"my blood test results are right down the line, within normal range"
Will you be posting this FIVE more times today?
For those believing that Manafort was not charged with money laundering:
COUNT TWO
(Conspiracy To Launder Money)
41. ...PAUL J. MANAFORT, JR., and RICHARD W. GATES III ...knowingly and intentionally conspire to:(a) transport, transmit, and transfer monetary instruments and funds... with the intent to promote the carrying on of specified unlawful activity, to wit: a felony violation of the FARA, in violation of Title 22, United States Code, Sections 612 and 618 (the “Specified Unlawful Activity"), contrary to Title 18, United States Code, Section 1956(a)(2)(A);
and more here
Title 18 section 1956 is the Federal money laundering statute.
Just the facts.
We have not yet seen Manafort's defense. Would you consider it "unfair" to wait to see both sides of the story before jumping to an absolute conclusion?
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well, in the alky's case you take a whopping dose of invincible ignorance syndrome coupled with stage 4 TDS, and what you have is an impenetrable barrier to logic, reason, and facts.
case in point - the dumb fuck has convinced himself that because WE are willing to wait for this to unfold, and the case to be made by both sides in a reasoned practical and legal manner, that we are somehow infected with "trumpism" (whatever the fuck that is."
why wait until the case is tried and the facts can come to light when you can try and live out the fantasy of trump in an orange jumpsuit?
geezus.
and to think that a perfectly good liver was so totally wasted on such an undeserving, mentally ill piece of shit.
Roger -
I can assure you that Andrew McCarthy is someone who may not tell you exactly what you "want" to hear, but he gets 90% of this stuff right.
For me... I would rather read those who get things "right" than read those who "reinforce" what I would like to see happen.
knowingly and intentionally conspire to:(a) transport, transmit, and transfer monetary instruments and funds...
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interestingly enough, one of the classic defenses against money laundering charges are - did the defendant 'intend' to launder money, and did they even realize that their activity was a crime.
intent, intent...
where have i heard this word bandied about over the past couple of years with regards to criminal charges?
anyone?
For me... I would rather read those who get things "right" than read those who "reinforce" what I would like to see happen.
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ah, but that's not how liberals operate.
their m.o tends to be -
1) arrive at conclusion to fit liberal (conspiracy theory) narrative of the day.
2) dig heels in
3) use only sources that support your preconceived notion.
lather, rinse, repeat.
Will you be posting this FIVE more times today?
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when you have no life it's what you do.
Conspiring to do something and doing it are different. Like murder for example.
interestingly enough, one of the classic defenses against money laundering charges are - did the defendant 'intend' to launder money
Since Manafort explicitly told his accountants "NO, there are no foreign accounts", he cannot use the classic blame-it-on-the-accountants excuse. Along with tax evasion, it's practically a slam dunk.
Another biased fake poll showing how much trump is loved by only his retarded base....like all our esteemed posters here...
A new poll reveals President Trump's approval rating has plummeted to a record-breaking low.
The poll results come from Gallup's daily survey, and place Trump with a 33 percent approval ratings -- his lowest favorability number to date with the same pollster company. The daily poll also shows the commander in chief with a 62 percent disapproval rating.
As CNN notes, Trump's third-quarter numbers position him as the president with the worst ratings in that span in seven decades of surveys.
Since Manafort explicitly told his accountants "NO, there are no foreign accounts", he cannot use the classic blame-it-on-the-accountants excuse.
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is that true or did you hear it from CNN?
Only the die hearts remain loyal to trump....how much lower can this go????
A new poll reveals President Trump's approval rating has plummeted to a record-breaking low.
The poll results come from Gallup's daily survey, and place Trump with a 33 percent approval ratings -- his lowest favorability number to date with the same pollster company. The daily poll also shows the commander in chief with a 62 percent disapproval rating.
As CNN notes, Trump's third-quarter numbers position him as the president with the worst ratings in that span in seven decades of surveys.
is that true or did you hear it from CNN?
Note the quotation marks. And the word explicitly.
Forget the quotes, but note this:
The indictment charges that Manafort wrote specifically to his accountant that he did not have such accounts.
"is that true or did you hear it from CNN?"
It is true, from the indictment, AND I saw it reported by the evil MSM.
"repeatedly provided false information to financial bookkeepers, tax accountants, and legal counsel," - paragraph 14 from the indictment.
And incidentally, the dates of this crime are "Between in or around 2008 and 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive" which would include the period of the 2016 elections as Trump's campaign chairman.
Several Dead After Truck Strikes People In Lower Manhattan
New York City police said the truck hit people on a bike and pedestrian path, then continued on and hit another vehicle. Officers shot the suspect, who was in custody Tuesday afternoon.
"my blood test results are right down the line, within normal range"
"my blood test results are right down the line, within normal range"
"my blood test results are right down the line, within normal range"
"my blood test results are right down the line, within normal range"
This was for the twit.
You confused him with facts
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Several Dead After Truck Strikes People In Lower Manhattan
New York City police said the truck hit people on a bike and pedestrian path, then continued on and hit another vehicle. Officers shot the suspect, who was in custody Tuesday afternoon.
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i can always count on you to bring me the news i heard an hour ago, alky.
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