Just for the record, I believe that the woman's story is plausible, if not probable. As much as I want to provide the benefit of innocent until proven guilty... the allegations are alarming and more believable than other recent last minute election time allegations.
Moreover, I would have a difficult time (personally) casting a ballot for Roy Moore. Of course, I would have probably said this with or without the allegations. Moore does not strike me a the sort of man I want representing me, or even living next door to me. In my humble opinion, he certainly appears like a man capable of these allegations.
All that being said I have some major concerns with the allegations.
As a parent, I find it difficult to believe that you allowed a 32 year old man to spend any "alone time" with your 14 year old daughter. From the allegations, there was at least three times that Moore and the girl spend time together, and (at the very least) the first time it was with the Mother's blessing. By all accounts, this alleged relationship is confirmed by both parents. They make it sound as if they possibly even knew about the "touching" but did nothing... for thirty five years. This strikes me as more than just a little "strange".
I also believe that the timing of the allegations cheapens those allegations (even if they are 100% true). It provides ammunition for Moore (and his supporters) to go after the girl for obviously revealing the allegations at a time where it has political and electoral consequences. It now becomes impossible to separate the allegations from the politics of the situation. If Roy Moore wins (in spite of them) it cheapens them even more.
Bottom Line: These allegations deserved their own scrutiny completely detached from the 2017 political debate and certainly detached from the Alabama special Senate election... when the only person facing consequences for those actions would be Roy Moore. Because others (his supporters and his political party) face consequences for these allegations, it adds a whole other layer to this, that simply didn't need to be.
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The Obama-Clinton Machine’s liberal media lapdogs just launched the most vicious and nasty round of attacks against me I’ve EVER faced!
We are are in the midst of a spiritual battle with those who want to silence our message. (1/4) #ALSen
Spam.
As I said. Women who have been through such a frightening experience and come forward after years of keeping it unspoken, finally feel free to tell everything, even if it is against a public figure.
They have to endure questioning their credibility. But I believe that they are brave and should not be subject to political criticism.
"These allegations deserved their own scrutiny completely detached from the 2017 political debate and certainly detached from the Alabama special Senate election..."
Exactly.
Trump wanted Luther Strange.
Moore is Bannon's guy, too extreme.
Conservatives need to kick Bannon to the curb.
Roger -
Did you believe (at the time) the allegations of Kathleen Wiley
Did you believe (at the time) the allegations of Paula Jones
Did you believe (at the time) the allegations of Juanita Broaddrick
Did you believe the allegations that he was having an affair with an intern named Monica Lewinski (at the time) when Bill was still denying it, waving his finger, and demanding that he did not have sexual relations with that woman?
Did you make any sort of claim that such a man (being accused of sexual misconduct by multiple women) should not be President?
Just curious...
He was a District Attorney, in the courthouse, sitting outside the courtroom. The DA was solicitous, an authority in that place. It's not surprising that her mom would leave her alone with the DA there, nor even incautious.
Later, didn't he pick her up several blocks away and then drive to his secluded home? The parents might not have even known that she'd left. It's predator behavior, and they're often good at hiding it, so I can't put any of this on the parents.
Other than that, I'm inclined to agree with CH that it just might not play out that badly for him in Alabama. This is the "Ten Commandments" Judge isn't it? On and off the Bench more than once? You wouldn't think that Alabama people would put up with it, but there are many who supported everything he did, and I think they're the convinced-of-my-own-moral-superiority types. That tends to leave a lot of room for rationalization of what the rest of us would consider transgressions, and I don't think it's even going to impact the hard-core religious right there. That's just a gut feeling though.
Did you believe (at the time) the allegations of Kathleen Wiley
Did you believe (at the time) the allegations of Paula Jones
Did you believe (at the time) the allegations of Juanita Broaddrick
I don't know about Roger, but I believed them.
Did you make any sort of claim that such a man (being accused of sexual misconduct by multiple women) should not be President?
That's an interesting question. During the first election, I thought he handled the allegations well. Hillary also. In that initial phase, Clinton basically just said "Yes it happened, a mistake, Hillary and I got through it, and so what?" It worked.
Later, with all of the behavior you're referencing, that was a different story. No, he should not have remained President then; he should have resigned. It's an old-fashioned and outmoded perspective, I know. We (the American electorate) no longer care whether our President has good character or any moral fiber.
Bonus Quote of the Day
“This is what happens when you let reckless, incompetent idiots like Steve Bannon go out and recruit candidates who have absolutely no business running for the U.S. Senate.”
— Former Mitch McConnell chief of staff Josh Holmes, quoted by the New York Times, on the allegations that Roy Moore initiated sexual relations with teenagers.
Extra Bonus Quote of the Day
“Come on, Republicans. Is this who we are? This cannot be who we are.”
— Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), on Twitter, reacting to Alabama Republicans coming to the defense of Roy Moore (R).
Spam by the pedo
We (the American electorate) no longer care whether our President has good character or any moral fiber
I understand what you are saying but if that mattered Carter would have been our best President instead of sucking ass
No, by Josh Holmes & Jeff Flake.
You're welcome. :-)
"Just curious..."
He'll lie, just like he did last night.
I can tell you right now he would have voted Willie in for a third term.
Hell, he's in bed with Boswell. That should tell you everything you need to know about Roger's lack of a moral compass.
Pedophile.
After The Post published this story Thursday afternoon, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and a handful of other GOP senators said Moore must step aside if Corfman’s account is true.
According to campaign reports, none of the women has donated to or worked for Moore’s Democratic opponent, Doug Jones, or his rivals in the Republican primary, including Sen. Luther Strange, whom he defeated this fall in a runoff election.
Corfman, 53, who works as a customer service representative at a payday loan business, says she has voted for Republicans in the past three presidential elections, including for Donald Trump in 2016. She says she thought of confronting Moore personally for years, and almost came forward publicly during his first campaign for state Supreme Court in 2000, but decided against it. Her two children were still in school then and she worried about how it would affect them. She also was concerned that her background — three divorces and a messy financial history — might undermine her credibility.
“There is no one here that doesn’t know that I’m not an angel,” Corfman says, referring to her home town of Gadsden.
Corfman described her story consistently in six interviews with The Post. The Post confirmed that her mother attended a hearing at the courthouse in February 1979 through divorce records. Moore’s office was down the hall from the courtroom.
Neither Corfman nor any of the other women sought out The Post. While reporting a story in Alabama about supporters of Moore’s Senate campaign, a Post reporter heard that Moore allegedly had sought relationships with teenage girls. Over the ensuing three weeks, two Post reporters contacted and interviewed the four women. All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews, saying they thought it was important for people to know about their interactions with Moore. The women say they don’t know one another.
“I have prayed over this,” Corfman says, explaining why she decided to tell her story now. “All I know is that I can’t sit back and let this continue, let him continue without the mask being removed.”
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On a visit home in the mid-1990s to see her mother and stepfather in Alabama, Corfman says, she saw Moore’s photo in the Gadsden Times.
“ ‘Mother, do you remember this guy?’ ” Wells says Corfman said at the time.
That’s when Corfman told her, Wells recalls. Her daughter said that not long after the court hearing in 1979, Moore took her to his house. Wells says that her daughter conveyed to her that Moore had behaved inappropriately.
“I was horrified,” Wells says.
Years later, Corfman says, she saw a segment about Moore on ABC News’s “Good Morning America.” She says she threw up.
There were times, Corfman says, she thought about confronting Moore. At one point during the late 1990s, she says, she became so angry that she drove to the parking lot outside Moore’s office at the county courthouse in Gadsden. She sat there for a while, she says, rehearsing what she might say to him.
“ ‘Remember me?’ ” she imagined herself saying.
Guilty as hell imho.
Rich, coming from another pedophile.
I have to wonder, what our country would be like, if this man had not been assassinated like his older brother.
Robert Kennedy
“I run because I am convinced that this country is on a perilous course and because I have such strong feelings about what must be done—and I feel that I’m obliged to do all that I can.” But it’s what he said next that held such power and still would today: “I run to seek new policies—policies to end the bloodshed in Vietnam and in our cities, policies to close the gaps that now exist between black and white, between rich and poor, between young and old, in this country and around the rest of the world. I run for the presidency because I want the Democratic Party and the United States of America to stand for hope instead of despair, for reconciliation of men instead of the growing risk of world war.”
WHEN IS THE "pastor" GOING TO KEEP HIS WORD AND STOP SPAMMING FROM POLITICAL_LIRE"
WHAT A FUCKING DOUCHEBAG
proven democratic sexual abuse - OK
denied questionable sexual abuse by a republican- guilty as hell
what a "pastor"
If we had known about Clinton in 92, he wouldn't have been President. So what's your problem about believing this woman??????? Trumpism victims cannot comprehend reality
Did you believe (at the time) the allegations of Kathleen Wiley
Did you believe (at the time) the allegations of Paula Jones
Did you believe (at the time) the allegations of Juanita Broaddrick.
Yes
Many, if not all Clintons abuse and rape charges were before his first election...
Have you forgotten "stand by your man" ??
After he left the presidency he took many plain trips to a pedophiles private island on a private jet. before Hillary ran....
Just innocent trips I'm sure...
LOL. I knew it.
If he had been like that to an adult, it's not a disqualification. But a 14 years old child. No way
Roger - when it became apparent that Clinton had lied about Lewinski. When he had provided false testimony in both court proceedings and a federal investigation. When he used White House Council to coerce Lewinski into signing a false affidavit.
When it was pretty much a fact that he admitted to perjury, witness tampering, and obstruction of justice...
All at the same time he was defending himself in court against Paula Jones allegations (which you say you believed) and we were hearing from multiple others about his sexual abuse (which you say you believed).
You fought his impeachment on the grounds of (obvious/proven/admiited) perjury, witness tampering, and obstruction of justice....
Why?
You say he wouldn't have been President "had you known".
Well you knew during his impeachment hearings.
and even today... you argue that the impeachment was "about a blowjob" because that is what the Clinton's told you to say.
You are so full of shit...
Understand this, you stupid twit, they were adults. Not a child
You are buried under a mountain of shit.👺☠☠
I didn't think they were grounds for impeachment.
Paula Jones allegations were in 1994, so Roger voted to reelect him anyway.
"Understand this, you stupid twit, they were adults. Not a child"
A post pubescent teenager.
Boswell thinks they're sexy.
I didn't think they were grounds for impeachment.
So if Trump lies under oath during the Mueller investigation, and there is evidence that he attempted to coerce other witnesses to lie on his behalf to cover up his own actions...
I assume that you would come to the same conclusion that lying to federal prosecutors, tampering with witnesses, and obstruction of justice...
Are not impeachable offenses?
the alky joins a long list of bubba fans who would have blown him personally just for the privilege.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
I have to wonder, what our country would be like, if this man had not been assassinated like his older brother.
Robert Kennedy
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it's ironic that the day he took the bullet is the day america dodged a massive bullet.
one silver spoon camelot asshat in the white house was enough.
Robert Kennedy - womanizer, just like his older brother.
and his younger brother.
Robert Kennedy - womanizer, just like his older brother.
Just like a Kennedy
Roger's idols.
well, the alky needs to realize that had bobby never been shot, 0linsky's buddy bill ayers would not have been able to dedicate one of his books to sirhan sirhan.
everything happens for a reason.
Who said this?
"President Trump is engaged in the most direct, sustained assault on a free press in our history,"..... "Since early in the campaign, he has done everything he can to delegitimize the media, attacking us institutionally and individually. And I think his purpose is clear: a concerted campaign to raise doubts that when we report critically about his administration that we can be trusted."
chris wallace said it, alky.
your point?
you DO have a point, right alky?
beaners be loving them some trump:
MSNBC’s Jacob Soboroff interviewed Latino Trump voters one year after the election and discovered that many are thrilled with how the president is running the country.
Perhaps expecting the Latino Trump supporters regret their vote, Soboroff seemed somewhat surprised when a Latino radio host and his listeners had nothing but praise for Trump.
“Are you still happy with the way that you voted and the way that he’s doing?” Soboroff asked the radio host.
“Yes, especially in the economy,” he responded. “We are growing at 3.1 percent.”
“What surprised me most when I was here last time, so many of your listeners called in and said to me, ‘it doesn’t matter that I’m Latino, it doesn’t matter that Donald Trump has insulted so many members of my race,'” Soboroff recalled. “I wanna know, a year later, do people out there, do your listeners feel the same way?”
“I feel way way way better with this president than before he was president,” one listener said. “I will vote for him again.”
Soboroff asked a listener how he felt about Trump ending DACA, and the listener countered that Trump did not specifically end DACA, but allowed it to expire under Obama’s rule.
“I voted for Donald Trump … and at this point in my life I am not sorry,” a female listener said. “I am very proud of Donald Trump to be my president.”
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/10/latino-trump-voters-still-happy-with-their-vote-video/
Because you all would not object to censorship by Trump.
Granddad was a bootlegged and whore monger.
My point is obvious.
Because you all would not object to censorship by Trump.
beaners beaners beaners beaners beaners beaners beaners beaners
Bigotry on display.
Hey Rog!!!
I didn't think they were grounds for impeachment.
So if Trump lies under oath during the Mueller investigation, and there is evidence that he attempted to coerce other witnesses to lie on his behalf to cover up his own actions...
I assume that you would come to the same conclusion that lying to federal prosecutors, tampering with witnesses, and obstruction of justice...
Are not impeachable offenses?
Blogger Roger Amick said...
My point is obvious.
Because you all would not object to censorship by Trump.
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psychologically projecting again alky?
i recall that you did not seem to mind when 0linsky went after fox's james rosen, or the fact that 0linsky whined about fox news about every other day.
no alky, i am not a fan of censorship. not by trump, not by anyone. what i WOULD like to see more of is the purveyors of fake news held up to exposure and ridicule. their SHOULD be a consequence for blatantly LYING, and public mockery and ridicule seems appropriate to me.
from my email just today, alky:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag."
—Army Veteran Charles M. Province
the fake news press can go fuck themselves. we owe them nothing. we owe our veterans everything, including freedom of the press.
think about that tomorrow, alky.
Bill the rapist started in Arkansas , the Arkansas Highway Patrol confirmed his womanizing.
Alky. Too funny, voted twice for Bill and once for hillary.
Head up as alky.
Freedom of the press is not a Trump card to my (US Army Vet.) Freedom of speech.
RRB. Ty
KD said...
Bill the rapist started in Arkansas ,
Idiot KD equates clintons womanizing to the assault of a 14 year old minor.....just WOW!!! The lengths you idiots put politics in front of human decency again proves you have the morality of a slug.....You cannot defend moore as I do not defend clinton for his whorish behavior. The difference being you think moore is okay, and my bet he will still win, showing how stupid voters are including you and the whore in the current WH!! Good, they can't replace him and he will be the poster boy of the immoral right....GOOD!!! And I always wondered why I thought Alabama was the slum of the south.....here's the proof of educational failure....LOLOLO
here's the proof of educational failure.
That entire rant is proof of educational failure.
Alky, god, your a dumbass. No one has censored you. You spam here and abuse of posting privileges are proof.
That entire rant is proof of educational failure.
i think it's ingesting lead paint from an early age
Exactly
The hypocrisy forever Republican belief is that sexual relationships outside of marriage are perfectly acceptable. But if Democrats do it. OH MY GOD !
Now it's accepted that sexual assault on children isn't sufficient to disqualify a candidate for the US Senate.
Apples and oranges.
Try to make a honest question, not one that is wrong whether the answer is yes or no.
I didn't think they were grounds for impeachment.
So if Trump lies under oath during the Mueller investigation, and there is evidence that he attempted to coerce other witnesses to lie on his behalf to cover up his own actions...
I assume that you would come to the same conclusion that lying to federal prosecutors, tampering with witnesses, and obstruction of justice...
Are not impeachable offenses?
Reply
Blogger Roger Amick said...
The hypocrisy forever Republican belief is that sexual relationships outside of marriage are perfectly acceptable. But if Democrats do it. OH MY GOD !
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... "Roy Moore should change his name to Bob Menendez, and then the media will leave him alone."
—Ben Shapiro
i have not seen even one minute of coverage of the menendez trial, alky. now why would THAT be?
and no one blames bubba for having a side piece(s). look at the ugly lecherous bitch he's married to, for chrissakes. web hubbell had to take one for the team just so chelsea could exist.
it was never about the fucking. it was about the fucking LYING. i don't expect you to be able to discern the difference, but there it is.
now go make up something else to whine about, alky.
Barack Obama accused by two men of inappropriate behavior
During Barack Obama’s tenure as the president of the Harvard Law Review in the late 1980s, at least two male student editors complained to colleagues and senior university officials about inappropriate behavior by Obama, ultimately leaving their positions at the journal, multiple sources confirm
The men complained of sexually suggestive behavior by Obama that made them angry and uncomfortable, the sources said, and they signed agreements with the university that gave them financial payouts to leave the journal. The agreements also included language that bars the men from talking about their departures.
http://thekansascitian.blogspot.com/2011/11/barack-obama-accused-by-two-men-of.html
Blogger Roger Amick said...
Apples and oranges.
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i see.
so when bubba lies to a grand jury and lies to a federal prosecutor that's no biggie.
but let trump lie to mueller even a little, and he get's frog marched straight to the federal pen.
Roger -
I very specifically made the question apples to apples...
it doesn't matter who the President is, what the prosecutor is investigating, or anything else.
Either a sitting President making false statements to a federal investigator and coercing witnesses to give false testimony is an impeachable act or it's not.
Which is it, Roger?
Impeachable or not?
Which is it, Roger?
Impeachable or not?
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so at this point the alky either -
A) disappears until we're all asleep
or
B) treats us to an alky-lanche of irrelevant copy/pastes that do not address the question at hand.
let's see what we get folks.
We usually get the classic...
"I gotta go work out" deal from Roger when he is hit with a tough question.
Actually, I was at my AA meeting. LOL
As usual the leaders make me the person to share last, because I sum it up and especially I try to help new comers, who aren't sure if they want to follow the staps and accept that they can't do it alone. I'm a good speaker, and the a lot of emotional thanks.
Roger when he is hit with a tough question.
Like you and how are the models wrong question CH????? kETTLE MEET POT!!! LOLOL
Colder then normal on 27 states.
Bring back Gorebal warming.
KD said...
Alky, god, your a dumbass
Yep KD has sudden onset dementia.....LOL Great post numbnutz
KD the idiot reported the weather posted
Colder then normal on 27 states.
I was wondering who the idiot would be to post about the cold weather....not disappointed, the goat fornicator steps on his dick once again and proves he sits on what is left of his brain...too funny
An old chinese proverb for Roger...
Those who say don't do
Those who do, don't say
Think about it
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