Monday, June 18, 2018

Roger says that this member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights is lying...

Because the NY Times told him so...

Dear Attorney General Sessions and Secretary Nielsen:

I write as one member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, and not on behalf of the Commission as a whole. The majority of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights has issued a statement condemning the Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security for separating parents and children who cross the border illegally.1 The reason parents and children are separated is the law: When an adult illegal alien is prosecuted for unlawful entry, that person is taken into the custody of the U.S. Marshals and the children are taken into custody by HHS. Nonetheless, unless the adult applies for asylum, the unlawful entry is resolved relatively quickly and the separation is brief. But if the adult applies for asylum, the process–-and separation–is lengthier. That is because the 1997 Flores Consent Decree (and the Ninth Circuit’s interpretation thereof) stipulates that children may be held no more than twenty days. The asylum process is much longer.

If the U.S. were detaining the children with their parents, the Commission majority would surely issue a statement condemning the Departments for detaining children. Thus, the only way to avoid separating children from illegal alien parents that would be acceptable to the Commission majority would be to release both parents and children into the U.S., contrary to law. The bottom line is that the Commission majority is opposed to enforcing almost any immigration laws pertaining to illegal entry.

People who have potentially valid claims for asylum can present themselves at ports of entry and request asylum. They will be processed normally and will not be separated from their children because they are following the law.2

It is unwise to release detained individuals into the United States, because they are then very likely to abscond into the interior and fail to appear for their immigration hearing. “Over the past 20 years, 37 percent of all aliens free pending their trials – 918,098 out of 2,498,375 – never showed for court.”3 (Aliens who are detained are almost certain to appear at court, because they do not have the ability to abscond). And individuals who have claimed asylum also are likely to fail to appear for their court proceedings – “[o]n average, 46,000 people each year vanished from proceedings created specifically for those claiming persecution in the lands they called home.”4 This suggests that quite a few of these claims are weak, if not false, and that the individual’s goal was simply to make it into the United States and then disappear.

Separating children from their parents is regrettable. It is not, however, unique. American parents are separated from their children every day when they are arrested or incarcerated. According to HHS, during Fiscal Year 2016, 20,939 American children entered foster care because their parent is incarcerated.5 This is more than ten times the number of children who have been separated from their parents due to entering the United States illegally.6 People who cross the border illegally have committed a crime, and one of the consequences of being arrested and detained is, unfortunately, that their children cannot stay with them.

Among the principal reasons people immigrate to this country is the primacy we give to the rule of law and the benefits that flow therefrom. Despite what my colleagues seem to think, there is no super-statute that decrees that aliens must be treated better than Americans. If Congress decides to change the law, that is its prerogative. But until such time as Congress changes the law, the Department of Justice should continue enforcing existing law and prosecute every case of illegal entry.

Sincerely,

Peter Kirsanow Commissioner

49 comments:

Anonymous said...

Roger Amick
You are lying

Myballs said...

I know a US marine. He is separated from his family. Where is the outrage in the trump hating media for that?

Anonymous said...

Americans are Arrested and Jailed everyday, now they will be housed with thier families.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

They are following orders.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The April 6th Ruling made those attempting to cross the border illegally shall be arrested and charged and because the ruling made it mandatory. It is not mandatory under the law.

The President himself has said that it was to prevent such people who are suspected of being drug traffickers, gang members and racists.

By August we will have approximately 8,000 children in our holding facilities and if possible foster care. This is a disgrace for the United States of America. We have seen people here attacking Laura Bush Traitor

Trump's wife entered the United States illegally. She was never charged as a criminal. If she had children with her, they would not have been separated from their mother.

This is in one way a wall issue. Build your wall Mr. President and get Mexico to pay for it. Keep your base exemplified by Jimmy The Beaners hater. Go to sleep alone and get up for Fox and Friends directions to tweet about in anger.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

This is not mandatory under the law.

When an adult illegal alien is prosecuted for unlawful entry, that person is taken into the custody of the U.S. Marshals and the children are taken into custody by HHS. Nonetheless, unless the adult applies for asylum, the unlawful entry is resolved relatively quickly and the separation is brief. But if the adult applies for asylum, the process–-and separation–is lengthier. That is because the 1997 Flores Consent Decree (and the Ninth Circuit’s interpretation thereof) stipulates that children may be held no more than twenty days. The asylum process is much longer. It's not the fault of the Democrats.

Loretta said...

"Trump's wife entered the United States illegally."

Liar.

Loretta said...

"The asylum process is much longer. It's not the fault of the Democrats."

The asylum process works like clockwork. IF they go to the port of entry. Stop trying to usurp the process.

Yes, democrats are using this as a political tool, TRAITORS that they are.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

If you entered the United States without permission, you would be subject to criminal penalties, thus labeling you a "criminal" if you're convicted. But just the simple act of being in the country without permission doesn't make you a "criminal," because it's a civil offense.

The April 6th ruling was a policy change is policy not legally required.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Melania Trump modeled in US prior to getting work visa
ALICIA A. CALDWELL
Nov. 05, 2016
WASHINGTON (AP) — Melania Trump was paid for 10 modeling jobs in the United States worth $20,056 that occurred in the seven weeks before she had legal permission to work in the country, according to detailed accounting ledgers, contracts and related documents from 20 years ago provided to The Associated Press.

The details of Mrs. Trump's early paid modeling work in the U.S. emerged in the final days of a bitter presidential campaign in which her husband, Donald Trump, has taken a hard line on immigration laws and those who violate them. Trump has proposed broader use of the government's E-verify system allowing employers to check whether job applicants are authorized to work. He has noted that federal law prohibits illegally paying immigrants.


Mrs. Trump, who received a green card in March 2001 and became a U.S. citizen in 2006, has always maintained that she arrived in the country legally and never violated the terms of her immigration status. During the presidential campaign, she has cited her story to defend her husband's hard line on immigration.

The wife of the GOP presidential nominee, who sometimes worked as a model under just her first name, has said through an attorney that she first came to the U.S. from Slovenia on Aug. 27, 1996, on a B1/B2 visitor visa and then obtained an H-1B work visa on Oct. 18, 1996.

The documents obtained by the AP show she was paid for 10 modeling assignments between Sept. 10 and Oct. 15, during a time when her visa allowed her generally to be in the U.S. and look for work but not perform paid work in the country. The documents examined by the AP indicate that the modeling assignments would have been outside the bounds of her visa.


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Alzheimer's disease is a traitor's disease

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

They are being charged at the port of entry if they don't have the proper authority to do so.

Loretta said...

"An experienced lawyer knows what the US citizenship and immigration services is looking for, and how to bring out of the client's background things that will be attractive to the agency."

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States. An increase in child detainees separated from parents stemmed directly from a change in enforcement policy repeatedly announced by Sessions in April and May 2018, under which adults (with or without children) are criminally prosecuted for attempting to enter the United States:

The “zero-tolerance” policy he announced [in May 2018] sees adults who try to cross the border, many planning to seek asylum, being placed in custody and facing criminal prosecution for illegal entry.

As a result, hundreds of minors are now being housed in detention centres, and kept away from their parents.

Over a recent six-week period, nearly 2,000 children were separated from their parents after illegally crossing the border, figures released on [15 June 2018].

[Attorney General] Sessions said those entering the US irregularly would be criminally prosecuted, a change to a long-standing policy of charging most of those crossing for the first time with a misdemeanour offence.

We addressed the “law to separate children” in a fact check about a purported statement made by Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Sessions did not make the statement attributed to him, but he did make a series of remarks in early April 2018 about a new border initiative involving the separation of children from parents at border crossings:

Snopes

Loretta said...

"Snopes"

LOL

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.”

Roman's 13

Don't doubt the Trump because he was established by God.

Jeff Sessions

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Prove this is incorrect twit.

There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States.

It's not in the copy paste by CH

caliphate4vr said...

TVPRA act, Roger

Look it up

Anonymous said...




thanks cali.

here you go alky.

U.S. Laws on Trafficking in Persons


The Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000, as amended provides the tools to combat trafficking in persons both worldwide and domestically. The Act authorized the establishment of the State Department’s Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons and the President’s Interagency Task Force to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons to assist in the coordination of anti-trafficking efforts.

05/28/15 Survivors of Human Trafficking Empowerment Act (Section 115 of the Justice for Victims of Trafficking Act of 2015)
03/07/13 Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2013 (Title XII of the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013)
01/01/08 William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008
01/10/06 Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2005 [Get Acrobat Reader PDF version ]
01/07/03 Prosecutorial Remedies and Other Tools To End the Exploitation of Children Today Act of 2003 (PROTECT Act) [Get Acrobat Reader PDF version ]
01/07/03 Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2003 [Get Acrobat Reader PDF version ]
01/07/03 U.S. Leadership on HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of 2003
10/28/00 Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act of 2000 [Get Acrobat Reader PDF version ]

https://www.state.gov/j/tip/laws/




oh, and don't be so quick to fall for that pro publica audio. it was provided to them by jennifer harbury, a long time radical turd stirrer. she's spent decades smuggling hondurans and guatemalans into the US. she married a commie who the CIA took out back in the early 90's.




Anonymous said...



Caroline knew people who really had been raped; she had heard their stories. But she believed that she was far from being the only asylum seeker at the torture survivors’ center who was lying or exaggerating. “Everybody’s story is a mixture of what is true and what is not,” she said. Caroline had been tutored in how to act like a rape victim by her landlady in the Bronx, who hadn’t been raped, either, but had successfully applied for asylum. And Caroline was also getting help in crafting her narrative from a Rwandan man I’ll call Laurent, who was a sort of asylum-story shaper among central Africans.

And:

Advising Caroline about her asylum narrative, Laurent said, “When you make up a story, make it yours. No one knows your story better than you.” He has helped three people with their stories; two of them were successful in getting asylum.

Laurent then admitted he made up his story, too:

“To tell you the truth, even my story was made up,” he said. He didn’t apply for asylum as a Rwandan refugee, because “I didn’t want to compromise my family in Rwanda.” So his story was about Burundi. “I know the politics of Burundi, and so I could make it up,” he said. At the asylum hearing, the officer asked him specific questions about the geography of his narrative: “Where was the police station? Where was the swimming pool?” The officer kept referring to geographical data that she had obtained from the C.I.A., but Laurent’s information was more recent, and he told her so. She checked, and found that it was true.


https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/19/nbc-news-reporter-who-is-totally-wrong-by-the-way-calls-out-donald-trump-jr-for-liking-a-tweet/



caliphate4vr said...

Customs and Border Protection official: "We created this situation by not doing anything"

"I do agree that we have to do something. We created this situation by not doing anything," Padilla said. "So what happened with zero tolerance is, we were exempting a population from the law. And what happens when you do that, it creates a draw for a certain group of people that rises to trends that become a crisis."

"I'm going to give you an example: Because we were releasing family units, May 2, just last month, we had a full-blown MS-13 (gang member) accompanied by his one-year-old child. He thought he was going get released into the community; that was not the case."

Anonymous said...

oger AmickJune 19, 2018 at 12:27 AM
Prove this is incorrect twit.

There is no federal law that stipulates that children and parents be separated at the border, no matter how families entered the United States. "

They did, now what Alky?

caliphate4vr said...

Obama’s Immigration Agencies Separated Children From Their Families, Too

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The April 6th Ruling made those attempting to cross the border illegally shall be arrested and charged and because the ruling made it mandatory. It is not mandatory under the law.

None of you have provided any specific section of American immigration laws that require to change people who enter a port of entry without a visa must be charged with a criminal offense.

Previous policies are irrelevant in regards to the policies of the Trump administration. Some of you have gone back to the imprisonment of Japanese Americans to justify your support for a policy that is against everything this country stands for.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I read your post. There is nothing there that requires any person who at a port of entry without any valid paperwork shall be arrested for a criminal offense.

caliphate4vr said...

Customs and Border Official says you're full of shit, liver. I'll take him over a broken carpenter any day

Anonymous said...

Cali be kind life is rough for broke n broken Alky.

He is now the self proclaimed I migration expert to go along with all of his other self proclaimed experiences.

Anonymous said...




alky, we have the law and common sense on our side. contrary to what you fucksticks would like us to believe, we're under no obligation to do anything for these people other than to send them packing back to their home 3rd world shithole. their requests for asylum are bullshit, their family status is bullshit, and most of the sob stories they're telling and the children they claim are theirs is BULLSHIT. these fuckers have been coached on what to say, when to cry, and what story to tell.

you assholes are doing what you always do - exploiting a fabricated tragedy for political gain. i must say i'm surprised that people keep falling for it, but we don't call your base low information voters for nothing.

what i'd like to see is for you to continue this charade. please, keep it up and gain confidence that you're hurting trump in the process as you do. because trump's majority remains largely silent, and they're not falling for it. you may have fooled barbara bush but you're not fooling those that matter - the folks that will re-elect trump.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Paul you know better.

The law is not on your side.

Anonymous said...

There is nothing there that requires any person who at a port of entry without any valid paperwork shall be arrested for a criminal offense.


well einstein, that would be because the border must be CROSSED for the crime to be committed.

an aspiring ms-13 gangster can stand at a border crossing with his thumb in his ass til jesus comes back but it won't amount to a crime until he makes it across.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Hatred at this level is a serious mental disorder.

Anonymous said...

The law is not on your side.


the fuck it ain't.

go find your voters the old fashioned way alky -

earn them.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The law is not on your side.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The law is not on your side.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
Hatred at this level is a serious mental disorder.


you're not wrong, alky.

it find it very troubling that you and your liberal cohorts hate these criminal illegals THAT much as to subject them to all this shit just for the sake of their votes. i'm troubled but not surprised. i've seen you guys do it to every emerging minority. you require a permanent underclass for political survival. and you think nothing of exploiting the next wave of people fleeing 3rd world shitholes to achieve your political goals.

from the great society to what the clinton's did in haiti, from ferguson missouri to baltimore... you guys are the embodiment of evil when it comes to the exploitation of the vulnerable. there needs to be an especially nasty place in hell for you guys alky. right next to ted kennedy's mary jo kopechne memorial satanic ballroom.

Anonymous said...

What part of illegal do you not understand?

See that in California they actually are separating the Golden State Killer from his child. Must be corrected.

Anonymous said...



repeat it all you want alky.

the law and our sovereign borders ARE ON OUR SIDE.

you fucking retards are just shocked to see the laws liberals enacted actually enforced. trump promised to enforce them and he's keeping another promise.

because America, bitches.



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I have cited volumes of evidence that devastated the allegations against Roger as the topic of this post.

CH has been silent about his allegations against Roger as I have repeatedly cited the law.

It's his blog but I find it amusing to use my name as part of the topic ..

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

He was a convicted felon.

What part of illegal do you not understand?

These families are being charged with felonies. The law against them is a civil offense, not a felony.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The law is not on your side.

Anonymous said...



I have cited volumes of evidence that devastated the allegations against Roger as the topic of this post.


no, actually all you've provided was volumes of copy/pasted opinions.

and what you haven't provided (because i suppose no one can) is the volumes of outrage from the left when the 0linsky regime did the exact same things. this manufactured astroturf outrage is brand new. but the policies go back almost 20 years.

the fact is, trump and sessions are enforcing the law as promised. and no amount of drama queen fainting couch histrionics can change that.

remember one of your favorite lines from those halcyon 0linsky days alky?

"elections have consequences."

yes they do, alky.

yes they do.

Anonymous said...



It's his blog but I find it amusing to use my name as part of the topic ..


how are you coming on your own blog alky?


Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

From the recovery from the Great Depression to the ACA your side lost every single battle and it continues to this day.

This matters because it's not going away this November .

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I posted the law.

Anonymous said...



Was 15 a week or two ago.

Keep Resisting

Anonymous said...

Oops

Trump only down 5 on Gallup polling

See above

Anonymous said...



From the recovery from the Great Depression to the ACA your side lost every single battle and it continues to this day.


ya think?

the ACA without the mandate is a fucking shell of its former self, and 0linsky's "wreckovery" was a fucking shitshow.

8 years of an average 1.7% GDP is not a recovery. it's a coma patients s l o w l y regaining consciousness.

the skeets legacy has been shrunk to a molecular level. that is an undeniable fact.

in short, it sucks to be you, alky. trying to defend 0linsky's legacy is like trying to pick up a turd from the clean end.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Timbuck3 said that some of the people are amusing. Jimmy is on the top of the list.

Intellectual level debate is far above your abilities. Olinsky is so awesome.

An obscure writer is not exactly a valid argument but you persist.😎

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

You don't treat kids like that! Period.