Mitch McConnell has already stated that the Senate is not going to remove Trump from the Presidency. While McConnell is only one Senator, he is the Senator that understands the overall position of his caucus. He certainly wouldn't be making these sorts of brash statements unless he was pretty damned confident of the final outcome.
The reality of the situation is that we have become a red/blue country. Forty Four of the Republican Senators represent what can be considered to be very red states, where there is going to be overwhelming support for the President and overwhelming anger with the concept of him being impeached. The closest thing to a Republican representing a "blue" state is Susan Collins in Maine, where Clinton still didn't reach 50% of the overall vote and Trump got one of their electoral college votes by winning part of the state.
But more to the point, this isn't a situation where there is a question of whether or not a person is guilty or innocent of what they are accused of doing. This is a simple disagreement as to whether or not the actions of the President actually constitute something that should be even considered impeachable. You either believe that requesting foreign assistance in American investigations is a criminal action when Trump does it but not when other Presidents do it... or you believe all Presidents should be treated equally.
It's really that simple.
If it was perfectly acceptable for the Obama administration to investigate Trump when he was the actual GOP nominee in 2016, then Trump cannot be impeached for just asking about investigating someone who isn't actually the Democratic candidate for President.
It's a matter of fundamental fairness and equal treatment under the law and politics.
The reality is that no amount of hearings or evidence or testimony, or witnesses, or anything like that is going to change people's minds, because all you are doing is spinning your wheels in regards to completely irrelevant facts that does not alter the actual objections that people have towards impeachment.
In order to change people's minds, you would have to actually make them understand why it was acceptable behavior in 2016, but so unacceptable to be considered impeachable in 2019. You can scream and holler and jump up and down and hold your breath till you are blue in the face and it will do you no good, unless you are able to move past that fundamental objection.
Because this is not an investigation that is attempting to bring people together in agreement. It's an investigation that is completely designed to push people further and further apart. It's not a question of "law" as no Democrat has provided any legal precedent for any previous person in our 240 plus year history to have ever been held legally liable for these sorts of actions.
It's become a partisan disagreement about politics and the actual meaning of impeachment. It literally has nothing to do with "the law".
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If it was perfectly acceptable for the Obama administration to investigate Trump when he was the actual GOP nominee in 2016,
Deep throat Trumpism
Trump told reporters Friday that he didn’t know whether Giuliani was still his personal attorney, adding that the two hadn’t spoken since Thursday.
“Well, I don’t know,” Trump said, responding to a question about the lawyer as he prepared to leave the White House for a rally in Louisiana. “I haven’t spoken to Rudy. I spoke to him yesterday briefly. He’s a very good attorney, and he has been my attorney.”
Trump then added, “Yeah, sure,” before moving on to another question.
In a text message to The Washington Post’s Josh Dawsey shortly after the president’s comments, Giuliani confirmed that he’s still representing Trump.
“Yes,” Giuliani wrote. “I am still his attorney.”
BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! When do you think this SS Trump will sink Lil Scotty.......Lots of crap hitting the fan and the only thing you can post concerns Obama!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAA!!!! Monday will be another day of Bullshit Impeachment hearings that could be a very ugly day even for you slurpers!!!!!!! So sad that you keep defending a lying cheating only cares about himself loser that you think is a false idol......It's going to take years for America to recover from the lost trump years!!!!!
Just as I suspected....the proof will come when the details get etched in stone and right now......seems a rather hollow deal by trump.....nothing new about that!!!!
Markets like it. But does the “phase one” trade deal President Trump announced with China pass the Trump Arson Test?
Trump often takes credit for putting out fires he lit himself. And so farm that seems to be the case with the agreement Trump reached with China on Oct. 11. The deal averts a tariff hike Trump had scheduled for October 15, in exchange for increased Chinese purchases of U.S. agricultural products. The stock market rose on the news, since it removes some uncertainty about tariffs rising even higher in the future.
Nothing is in writing, however. Negotiators will work out the details during coming weeks, with a formal deal possible in mid-November, when Trump is scheduled to meet Chinese President Xi Jinping in Chile. Oh, the two sides also haven’t worked out the biggest issues, which involve fundamental reforms to China’s economy. China will allow more US access to China’s financial sector, but there are no agreements about China halting its theft of foreign technology or its subsidies to huge government-controlled firms. And all of the Trump tariffs now in place will stay there.
Greg Daco, chief US economist for Oxford Economics, called the agreement an “itsy-bitsy-teeny-weeny handshake deal” and said, “Behind the hype, this is nothing more than a partial and ostensibly unsustainable deal lacking in real enforcement mechanisms. For businesses this will mean less damage, not greater certainty.”
The deal also fails the Trump Arson Test. It averts any further escalation in the trade war, for now, but it still leaves substantial barriers to trade that weren’t there before Trump started the trade war in 2018. The Trump-o-meter is unimpressed, giving Trump a MEDIOCRE score this week, the third highest.
"If it was perfectly acceptable for the Obama administration to investigate Trump when he was the actual GOP nominee in 2016"
The Three Socialist Stooges of CHT don't have answer.
When Does Speaker in Name Only Polosi Scudule the vote on the Rancher/Farmer USMC vote?
Consumer sentiment index Oct. ⬆️96.0
ocrat said...
When Does Speaker in Name Only Polosi Scudule the vote
The day after Moscow Mitch votes on the voter machine legislation he thinks is unimportant.....asshole..
Today's NYT is spot on to the stupidity of trump.......!!!!!!
It has often been noted that President Trump holds a vision of his job more befitting a Latin American caudillo than the leader of the world’s oldest democracy. His geopolitical idols trend toward the autocratic — Kim Jong-un, Rodrigo Duterte, Mohammed bin Salman, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Vladimir Putin. He suffers delusions of grandeur, proclaiming himself “the Chosen One” and having “great and unmatched wisdom.” He accuses those who challenge him of treason, and he regularly wipes his feet on the constitutional principle of checks and balances.
Witness the over-the-top letter his White House counsel, Pat Cipollone, sent House Democrats this week, the gist of which was: Your impeachment investigation is illegitimate, and we will not participate. As if this were the president’s prerogative. Legal experts mostly dismissed the letter as a political stunt. Gregg Nunziata, a former counsel to Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida, called it “bananas.” Walter Shaub, who resigned as head of the Office of Government Ethics in 2017 over the administration’s glaring lack of ethics, said that it “mistakes Trump for a king.”
Fortunately, Mr. Trump’s dreams of dominance tend to bump up against the hard realities of incompetence — his and that of his cronies. It has long been apparent that the president has a peculiar eye for talent. The repercussions of this were on display this week as the Ukraine scandal at the heart of the impeachment inquiry continued to unspool, spotlighting a fresh batch of colorful characters and questionable behavior.
In one of the more bizarre impeachment twists to date, two businessmen involved in the president’s efforts to dig up dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden were arrested on campaign finance violation charges as they were trying to leave the country on Wednesday. Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman are Soviet-born naturalized Americans who have been working closely with Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, to investigate Mr. Biden, one of the president’s chief political rivals, and his son Hunter, who had business dealings in Ukraine. The men were also helping search for evidence to support a (debunked) conspiracy theory blaming Ukraine for the 2016 hacking of the Democratic National Committee.
So the Three Socialist Stooges of CHT are faking concern for us Ranchers/Farmers holding Agurculture hostage , again.
The only concern I have is getting trump out of office.....Agriculture is sucking gas because trump and his tariffs have dried up the foreign markets....any problems are trumps alone.....BWAAAAAAAA!!!!! you dumb fuck...
An observation.
Notice that Jane, Alky and low IQ have been even more loud, unhinged, maniac and vulgar.
Has anyone notice the goat fucker still has trumps dick stuck up his ass??????? BWAAAAAAAA!!!!
Fact is, Clinton and Blair asked each other for assistance on many matters. So did Reagan and Thatcher. And FDR and Churchill. And obama and Ukraine.
This is Russia 2.0 and America is fed up with it.
No time for US Ranchers and farmers.
"President Trump and the leaders of Canada and Mexico signed USMCA nearly a year ago, but we are still waiting on House Democrats."
You want vulgar goat fucker...just look at all the killing that trump is responsible for in syria by tossing the kurds under the bus....That is vulgar and unforgivable!!!!!! You dumb fuck!!!
To be clear. Speaker in Name Only Polosi has been sitting on her hands for a year on The USMC. Knowing that Ranchers and Farmers will benefit from the deal.
They are Co-equal branch of government. Just looking for her to do her job. Put the deal to a vote.
It doesn't matter how many anti Trump deep state insiders line up to tell us their opinion of the Ukraine call. We have the damn transcript. Their view of it is irrelevant.
And the huge crowds were seeing this week for Trump tells us that America knows they're being fed a bowl of crap from house democrats and their media allies. America loves the job Trump has done as president.
n Name Only Polosi has been sitting on her hands for a year on The
While moscow mitch hasn't done a fucking thing now for 2 years other than sucking trumps dick......BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
And the huge OLD WHITE crowds were seeing this week for Trump tells us that America knows " the end is near.....
Fixed it for you ballz, you dumb fuck...
Actually most of the pics we've seen contain younger voters. They like having good jobs for the first time in their lives.
And what was the predominate race, loser?????? And how do you know they like there jobs......just making shit up like trump????? BWAAAAAAA!!!!!!
I really wish the "Anonymous" who wrote the excellent long posts at 6:39 and 6:52 above would adopt some other nomenclature so that we could easily see when he or she is posting, apart from the "Anonymous" who constantly uses the expression goat f*****.
balls said
We have the damn transcript.
No, the promised full and unredacted version of it has never yet been provided.
Indicted Giuliani Associate Attended Private Trump Party
October 11, 2019 at 5:40 pm EDT
“Donald Trump tried to distance himself from the latest scandal that threatens his presidency on Thursday by saying he didn’t know either of the foreign-born Rudy Giuliani associates that his own Justice Department had just indicted for alleged campaign finance violations,” Politico reports.
“But that’s not what one of the men said three years ago — while attending Trump’s invite-only 2016 election night party in New York. In fact, Lev Parnas described himself to a foreign correspondent at the cash-bar event in midtown Manhattan as a friend of the president-elect who didn’t live far from his south Florida winter home.”
"MyballsOctober 12, 2019 at 7:29 AM
It doesn't matter how many anti Trump deep state insiders line up to tell us their opinion of the Ukraine call. We have the damn transcript. Their view of it is irrelevant."
Yep, they never expected Trump to call their Socialist bluff.
The Butt hurt girl yesterday provided nothing. she is upset she got Fired.
ok.
would adopt some other nomenclature so that we could easily see when he or she is posting, apart from the "Anonymous"
They are one and the same James......LOLOL!!!! Keeping everyone guessing is part of the fun!!!
she is upset she got Fired.
BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!! You really are are dumber than a box of rocks.....K????? LOLOLOLOLO
So Denny...
You don't believe she is upset because she got fired?
Oh, she was upset alright. And she clearly laid out how and why that was an unethical and unconscionable decision on the part of Trump simply because she did not carry out the kind of activities that Giuliani, at Trump's behest, wanted from her, activities that, had she done them, SHOULD have gotten her fired.
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