As explained here multiple times, the working age folks are not all that susceptible to dying from the virus. Out of the first nearly 17,000 death certificates, 3360 came from "working age folks". About 80% of the deaths are still occurring with people beyond the normal working age.
Assuming that most older workers (45 and above) are probably in jobs with more flexibility, have more savings, more retirement, and more resources to weather a storm, we can focus on those under the age of 45 as the ones most likely to be taking a hit and are "needing" to get back to work.
Of those people under 45 (the most likely people to want to go back to work) the number is still less that 500 people out of the 15,000 overall deaths, or only approximately 3% of the total deaths.
So the question becomes... should a group of people that make up 60% of our population but only represent 3% of the total deaths be told that they cannot go back out in public?
But let's take this one step further.
The thirty states we are talking about only represent about 6% of the total over all deaths.
Simple math using the latest death toll from Worldometer: 45,000*0.03*0.06 = 81 total deaths.
Statistically speaking, if you are under the age of 45 and live in one of these states, you are not being allowed to work because somewhere between 75-100 people overall have died in your age demographic over the past six weeks or so.
So if someone has a reasonable explanation why these people in these states should not be allowed to make a living, I would love to hear it.
20 comments:
Georgia mayors alarmed by governor's 'reckless' plan to reopen economy
Republican Brian Kemp says some businesses could open this week but mayors say proposal ‘not based on anything logical’
Georgia mayors said they were alarmed by the governor’s decision to reopen the economy this week, as the state joined several others in planning to relax restrictions aimed at curbing the spread of Covid-19.
The mayor of Savannah called the decision “reckless, premature and dangerous”.
Ignoring public health experts’ warnings that reopening too quickly could cause another spike in cases, Georgia’s governor, Brian Kemp, a Republican, said on Monday some businesses in the state could reopen this week.
From Sunday to Monday evening, 86 people in Georgia died of Covid-19. There is no widespread testing for the virus in the state, which epidemiologists say is necessary for safe reopening.
The mayor of Atlanta, Georgia’s biggest city, said Kemp’s decision was not based on “anything logical”.
“We see our numbers are continuing to tick up in this state, we see that our deaths are rising,” said Keisha Lance Bottoms, a Democrat. “We have some of the highest asthma rates in the country right here in Atlanta.”
She later issued a statement insisting city residents stay inside.
The Democratic mayor of Savannah, Van Johnson, said ending the lockdown was “reckless, premature and dangerous”.
“People can see it for themselves,” Johnson told CNN. “We want them to keep the faith, but we want them to follow the science. This is still a dangerous time. This is not the time for people to take their feet off the gas.”
Kemp said businesses including bowling alleys, tattoo studios and hair salons would reopen this week if they met safety standards and enforced social distancing. Movie theaters and restaurants could reopen on Monday.
Georgia’s public health commissioner, Dr Kathleen Toomey, said emergency rooms were seeing fewer flu-like illnesses. She said the state would increase contact tracing, the practice of identifying people who have had close contact with someone who tests positive for Covid-19.
“We definitely have a plateauing and what appears to be a decline,” Toomey said.
In Albany, where nearly 100 people have died from Covid-19, Mayor Bo Dorough said the governor’s decision was irresponsible.
“I’m flabbergasted that the governor would say we can’t take additional precautions to protect our citizens,” Dorough told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “This isn’t a mixed signal. It’s a U-turn.”
Despite a number of small protests across the country calling for restaurants and stores to reopen, polling has shown a majority of Americans support stay-at-home orders.
Nearly 60% of voters say they are more concerned the US will move too quickly than that the restrictions will be in place too long, according to a national poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal published on Sunday.
Political leaders, including Donald Trump, say lockdowns must end to save the economy. Many business leaders have said stay-at-home orders are important for preserving their business.
On Tuesday, the South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham, a Republican, said he feared Georgia’s plans were too abrupt.
“I support what South Carolina Governor announced yesterday – a small reopening of our state’s economy with a focus on social distancing,” Graham tweeted. “I worry that our friends and neighbors in Georgia are going too fast too soon.”
In Brookhaven, Georgia, Mayor John Ernst told local news station 11 Alive the first text he received after the governor’s announcement was from a restaurant owner concerned reopening could hurt his business more than staying closed.
By opening back up, business owners could have to pay for staff and supplies while facing a trickle of customers who do not cover costs.
Owners are also left to decide whether they should open up in the face of public health experts advising against doing so. At the beginning of the outbreak, business owners’ concern about this responsibility being placed on them, instead of the government, prompted many to demand blanket stay-at-home orders.
The mayor of Tybee Island, Shirley Sessions, said: “I think it’s putting a lot of pressure and stress on the businesses.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/21/georgia-mayors-brian-kemp-republican-coronavirus
What a shame that a thoughtful, measured reopening is being called reckless for political purposes.
Cht describes two Americas. There's another set of two Americas. Those without paychecks and those still being paid. In my case, I've been working full time from home for 5 weeks now. I get my regular pay. But someone who hasn't received a paycheck in a month is in far more dire financial trouble. And they feel like those still getting paid are lecturing them.
What a shame that a thoughtful, measured reopening is being called reckless for political purposes.
________
Read the article. Some of those mayors and business owners are not just playing politics. They are genuinely concerned.
I've read several articles. My point stands.
thebradfordfile™
@thebradfordfile
Dear CNN viewers:
Everything they told you is a lie.
Obama spied on Trump.
Mueller was a coverup.
Schiff was in on the hoax.
Senate Intel is corrupt.
Brennan was a mastermind.
Barr and Durham are close.
Hillary / DNC paid for Russian disinformation.
---
Remember when America used to come together during times of war, tragedy, and triumph? Those days now seem unreachable when you listen to the media or the lunatic opposition in congress.
That's on them--not Trump.
And I see the lying POS "pastor" has to go outside the U.S. for a source about opening up America.
Can't make this shit up.
You're welcome!
thebradfordfile™
@thebradfordfile
Why is the media giving Republican Richard Burr a pass on his insider trading during a pandemic?
Because he’s in on the Russian collusion hoax.
The swamp knows no party.
This book is about to appear:
Donald Trump and His Assault on Truth:
The President’s Falsehoods,
Misleading Claims
and Flat-Out Lies
by The Washington Post.
In perilous times, facts, expertise, and truth are indispensable. President Trump’s flagrant disregard for the truth and his self-aggrandizing exaggerations, specious misstatements, and bald-faced lies have been rigorously documented and debunked since the first day of his presidency by The Washington Post’s Fact Checker staff.
Donald Trump and His Assault on Truth is based on the only comprehensive compilation and analysis of the more than 16,000 fallacious statements that Trump has uttered since the day of his inauguration. He has repeated many of his most outrageous claims dozens or even hundreds of times as he has sought to bend reality to his political fantasy and personal whim.
Drawing on Trump’s tweets, press conferences, political rallies, and TV appearances, The Washington Post identifies his most frequently used misstatements, biggest whoppers, and most dangerous deceptions. This book unpacks his errant statements about the economy, immigration, the impeachment hearings, foreign policy, and, of critical concern now, the coronavirus crisis as it unfolded.
Fascinating, startling, and even grimly funny, Donald Trump and His Assault on Truth by The Washington Post is the essential, authoritative record of Trump’s disregard for facts.
"Fascinating, startling, and even grimly funny..."
I bet it is!
ROFL
I guarantee you it was Michel Arnette that contacted the mayor of Brookhaven, he’s gotta be shitting himself.
Owns Vero, Haven, Valenza and Arnettes Chop shop all in Brookhaven
Vero is really the only one conducive to take out.
But someone who hasn't received a paycheck in a month is in far more dire financial trouble. And they feel like those still getting paid are lecturing them.
every democrat in America will privately admit that these folks don't matter and serve only as so much acceptable collateral damage in the democrat's quest for power.
what the democrats are not counting on is the very real possibility of a second amendment solution to this increasingly ridiculous lockdown problem.
Ending Social Distancing Is a Fringe Position
April 22, 2020 at 11:25 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
From a new Politico/Morning Consult poll:
“Ending social distancing now is still a fringe position.
Only 14% say Americans should stop social distancing to stimulate
the economy even if it means increasing the spread of the virus,
though that’s up 4 points from last week.
More than three in four,
76%, say Americans should continue to social distance
for as long as necessary,
even if it means continued economic damage.”
____________
Amazing how sensible Americans are capable of being,
even in the face of intense pain.
Could it be that they simply no longer trust
the constant lying of Trump?
How can the US claim to have defeated the #coronavirus when its number of deaths increase by an extra 865 to 2804 in one day.
1.I don't think anybody has claimed we "defeated" the Coronavirus. It truly won't be defeated until there's a vaccine or it mutates itself into a harmless form.
2. Remember deaths are a lagging indicator and in this case it's really lagging as states "reclassify' some deaths as COVID-19 deaths (often with little or no evidence).
Put him in the middle of one of his fucking lockdown protests and let nature take it’s course.
Who exactly is him and what is his fucking lockdown protest? James Madison? The author of the Constitution?
This book is about to appear:
And I bet some idiots will go and buy it too...
How can the US claim to have defeated the #coronavirus when its number of deaths increase by an extra 865 to 2804 in one day.
It didn't really "shoot up" in one day...
Several states reported their previously adjusted newly inflated "probable deaths" which are going to be inflating the numbers until everyone catches up.
Memo to Roger: Hashtags only work in twitter.
Post a Comment