The numbers I have seen from most polling suggests that there is about a 60-40 split in terms of remaining in a complete lock down state, vs some degree of reopening. Depending on how these polls are worded those numbers can certainly vary, but it remains right around that split.
Certainly it's not surprising that the "majority" of Americans want to stay in lock down.
If you live on the east coast, the idea of reopening anything would seem crazy to you. If you get your news from people who pretend that what is happening in New York is representative of the United States as a whole, then I could see why you are also against the idea of any sort of reopening. If you are the sort of person who just looks at a death toll, without understanding anything about it, then you are probably against reopening the economy.
Moreover, many Americans are probably not affected by the shut down in to much financial degree. For many of us, we are still working full time without the costs associated with driving to work, buying lunch, coffee or anything else. There is little place to spend your money and for the most part we are probably better off financially because of the lock down (I know I am). There is little incentive for these people to take any risk, regardless of how remote.
When you look at these polls, the thing to remember is this: Those who are in favor of opening up things and going back to work are generally going to be made up of the exact people who are losing everything because the "majority" doesn't want them working. They are not looking to kill anyone or be killed themselves. They want to stave off complete ruin.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this.
But unless you are personally in a position where you are not able to pay your bills, you are depleting your life savings, and you are financially being wrecked, it's rather disingenuous for you to chastise others for wanting to go back to work.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this.
yet the pederast would insist that the only opinion we should follow would be that of the CHINESE.
Rat is funny.
Ch is more concerned with getting Trump reelected than he is with the safety and well being of Americans, so it really disturbs him that a majority of Americans, despite the hardship of practicing mitigation while we wait to have effective infection tracing in place, are not all that sure we should go rushing back into dangerous gatherings just because Trump and his cronies want us to, for their political reasons.
Ending Social Distancing Is a Fringe Position
April 22, 2020 at 11:25 am EDT By Taegan Goddard
From a new Politico/Morning Consult poll:
“Ending social distancing now is still a fringe position.
Only 14% say Americans should stop social distancing to stimulate the economy even if it means increasing the spread of the virus, though that’s up 4 points from last week.
More than three in four,
76%, say Americans should continue to social distance
for as long as necessary,
even if it means continued economic damage.”
____________
Amazing how sensible Americans are capable of being, even in the face of intense pain.
Could it be that they simply no longer trust the constant lying of Trump?
Ch is more concerned with getting Trump reelected than he is with the safety and well being of Americans, so it really disturbs him that a majority of Americans, despite the hardship of practicing mitigation while we wait to have effective infection tracing in place, are not all that sure we should go rushing back into dangerous gatherings just because Trump and his cronies want us to, for their political reasons.
A large majority of the people live paycheck to paycheck. That means that they miss one or two paychecks and they are out on their ass. It's not so much that they are worried about the next paycheck, but they are worried and wondering if they have a job to come back to.
The longer things stay shut down, the more small businesses will close.
And to be clear... "POLITICS" kept many of these businesses waiting for loan money because certain people wanted to play around with the latest bill.
I don't know of anyone who wants to go back to work because they want to see Trump get reelected. When people are losing their live's savings and watch their jobs go away... the last thing on their mind is politics.
But you go ahead and demand that people who want to work are just doing so because of "politics"!
Because at this point... the "politics" being played are the ones pointing fingers and using scare tactics to make you "blame" someone for this. Tell me who is doing this and why?
Now go read 11:12AM.
So Reverend...
Are you dumb enough to believe that certain businesses cannot reopen at the same time the public still practices social distancing?
If a grocer can stay open and people feel safe going there, how many other places will people frequent if given the chance?
Nobody is "forcing" anyone to give up social distancing or forcing anyone to go back to work or forcing anyone to do anything...
other than those forcing people to stay in their house.
People are just suggesting that we loosen these draconian restrictions (that most analysis shows very little differences between the most drastic and the least restrictive approaches).
Give people a choice.
one of my sons is still working at a Fleet Farm.
one of my sons took the optional leave from Target.
I respect both of their choices.
You prefer that neither had any choice. Leave it up to someone else who is likely garnering their full paychecks and not having to take on any financial burden what-so-ever.
I think that is something that the Bible and Jesus sees as a good thing, right? Oppression from the top levels of leadership! Sure you learned that from one of you many fake college certificates for "religious philosophy".
LOL
My college/university/seminary "certificates" are far more genuine than 99% of what Trump says.
Donald Trump and His Assault on Truth:
The President’s Falsehoods,
Misleading Claims
and Flat-Out Lies
by The Washington Post.
In perilous times, facts, expertise, and truth are indispensable. President Trump’s flagrant disregard for the truth and his self-aggrandizing exaggerations, specious misstatements, and bald-faced lies have been rigorously documented and debunked since the first day of his presidency by The Washington Post’s Fact Checker staff.
Donald Trump and His Assault on Truth is based on the only comprehensive compilation and analysis of the more than 16,000 fallacious statements that Trump has uttered since the day of his inauguration. He has repeated many of his most outrageous claims dozens or even hundreds of times as he has sought to bend reality to his political fantasy and personal whim.
Drawing on Trump’s tweets, press conferences, political rallies, and TV appearances, The Washington Post identifies his most frequently used misstatements, biggest whoppers, and most dangerous deceptions. This book unpacks his errant statements about the economy, immigration, the impeachment hearings, foreign policy, and, of critical concern now, the coronavirus crisis as it unfolded.
Fascinating, startling, and even grimly funny, Donald Trump and His Assault on Truth by The Washington Post is the essential, authoritative record of Trump’s disregard for facts.
Here's something rare:
A Republican tells the truth about Trump.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/party-aggrieved/610318/
What’s not rare is you, pederast, posting stupid shit no one reads on multiple threads
Go fuck yourself
Peter Wehner, whose excellent article is linked above, is a genuine Christian Republican with whom I am in much if not complete agreement. He is a man of principle who would never post the drivel you drivel, including your "go f yourself" suggestion.
I understand more and more why you and your pastor father were in disagreement.
Caliphate4vr said...
What’s not rare is you, pederast, posting stupid shit no one reads on multiple threads
Go fuck yourself
and he knows everyone here reads any current threads so there is no need.
he just like being a complete lying ass and waterboy
while he "lives" out his dying days.
as others have "said" :
*spit*
The Washington post lecturing about Lies
Maybe they can start with their mountain of lies on Russian collusion.
They should name their "sources" since by lying they don't deserve any cover.
the Babylon Bee has more credibility.
Only an idiot who is led by the nose would trust them and there FAKE NEWS counterparts.
So Reverend...
Why do you never actually answer any question or have any ability to stay on track. You simply deflect or toss around red herring by changing the subject.
btw... in my five and a half year extended college plan, I spent most of my last year or so taking sociologically, philosophy, and psychology classes out of curiosity to complement the CompSci classes.
There were some really smart people in those classes and then many who were not quite so smart. I found that my Philosophy of religion courses (I took two) were more infested with the latter than the former.
Perhaps I would have found you interesting, because it seems like you are at least willing to question conventional religious thinking... but I find it hard to picture you staying focused on the issues at hand as you seem way too obsessed with repeating things that are irrelevant to the subject, but seem to interest you.
Catherine Herridge
@CBS_Herridge
#FISA DOJ statement “No one was more appalled than the Attorney General at the way the FISA process was abused. This abuse resulted in one of the greatest political travesties in American history”
@KerriKupecDOJ
@CBSNews
Maybe outlets like the Washington Post and CNN could explain their roles
Much bigger and complex and more criminal than Watergate.
And it goes to the top according to text messages.
Let's see, did the Washington Post tell lies about Nixon?
Oh. Wait...
ROFL!!!
Pederast my dad wasn’t an attention seeking dumbass like you
James said...
Let's see, did the Washington Post tell lies about Nixon?
Oh. Wait...
ROFL!!!
Only a decrepit asshole thinks that bears any relevance to their current honesty 50 years later.
And doesn't realize how stupid that makes him look.
No need to "wait"
ROFLMFAO !!!
Julie Kelly
@julie_kelly2
Scientism: “The success of science has ironically given it an authority we too often accept without question. The provisional conclusions of research frequently are announced as definitive before the scientific community has adequately vetted them.” The 6-foot safe space is one.
in fact the whole "science" behind social distancing needs to be looked at.
It is sorely lacking at tremendous costs.
No, Cali, he was a man of Christian principle who would probably not appreciate your bragging about a daughter who laughs at people less fortunate than herself in her job situation. And he would surely not approve of your calling me a pederast, and much else besides.
:-) You see how easy you make this?
Rep. Dan Crenshaw
@RepDanCrenshaw
We should have been in Washington a week ago for a non-controversial vote to replenish funding for the small business rescue program.
Democrats have purposely delayed this while millions lose jobs.
There’s no “other side” to this. This is a betrayal to America. Pure & simple.
Thank you Congressman for stating the obvious
That died an atheist. He was an educator you stupid pederast.
And I never said my daughter laughed at people less fortunate you ignoramus I said she laughed at the fact Country Clubs were considered essential
Get your lies straight dumbass
Yeah it’s easy to blow your stupid old ass up
Why did you tell me your father was a pastor?
Major Democratic Group Received $100,000 in Chinese Government-Linked Tech Firm Stock
American Bridge reported the six-figure gift on its most recent tax forms
A prominent Democratic group poised to spend millions backing former vice president Joe Biden received $100,000 in the form of stock shares in the Chinese technology giant Baidu from an anonymous donor. Baidu, like many Chinese technology companies, is closely affiliated with China's ruling Communist Party.
American Bridge, an opposition research group founded by liberal operative David Brock, reported the receipt of the 450 shares in late 2018, a gift that was disclosed in its latest tax filings. The multinational internet services company acts as China's Google and operates under a degree of state party control. The gift was valued at $101,037, according to the organization's Form 990. It is unclear whether the group sold the stock or opted to retain it in the hope share prices would rise.
https://freebeacon.com/democrats/major-democratic-group-received-100000-in-chinese-government-linked-tech-firm-stock/
Biden, China and the DNC. all for one and one for all.
You described revivals he participated in, and a church he and you attended and... and... and....
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@parscale
It took Sleepy @JoeBiden 21 hours to issue a statement against @realDonaldTrump’s immigration suspension.
That’s a lot of indecision to finally oppose a common sense plan to protect American jobs and safety.
Biden is a prisoner of the extreme left, who are calling his shots.
and he probably needed to pass it by China
I said he was an ordained minister graduated from Truitt McConell with a degree in seminary. Southern Baptist and then immediately pursued a degree in biology and got a double masters in biology and education.
And he died an atheist
Gee... Strangely enough, you never mentioned that before.
Did you "convert" him?
Michael Ahrens
@michaelahrens
Gretchen Whitmer hired 2 firms to do COVID-19 contract tracing for her state.
The head of the 1st runs the voter database for nearly every Dem campaign, including hers.
The head of the 2nd said he hopes @realDonaldTrump "gets Coronavirus ASAP."
Unreal.
https://twitter.com/michaelahrens/status/1252743593133068289
Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
Gretchen Whitmer’s silence on this is deafening. She either knowingly awarded contracts that would benefit Dem organizations, or she mismanaged taxpayer money during a crisis. Which is it?
And did he renounce the days when he stood up against racial prejudice and was persecuted for that?
Kayleigh McEnany
@PressSec
The American people support President @realDonaldTrump's immigration policy!
Nearly 80% of Americans agree with temporarily pausing immigration as we confront the coronavirus crisis.
https://ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2020-04/topline_usa_today_coronavirus_w2_041320.pdf…
Then you don’t listen pedophile but that’s because you’re to busy posting shit no one reads
little mussolini is enjoying himself too much to take his boot off of our neck just yet:
ALBANY — A day after announcing New York will reopen its economy on a regional basis, but without providing a timetable, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo on Wednesday warned that the shutdown is "not going to be over anytime soon."
"This is no time to act stupidly, period," he said. "I get the pressure. I get the politics. We can’t make a bad decision and we can’t be stupid about it. ... I know people want out. I also know more people will die if we are not smart."
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Cuomo-warns-coronavirus-shutdown-not-going-to-be-15218411.php
the longer this asshole drags this out, the uglier it is when it ends.
Re 12:54
I can't believe I was not listening when you told me of problems he had with the KKK, and you with him, I believe, when he once told to duck down in a vehicle, as I remember it...
But that was many years ago, so I may not have it right.
But I can easily understand how anyone of intelligence who starts out in the extremism of Southern Baptist fundamentalism could end up in rationalistic atheism.
the death cult celebration of rama-lama-ding-dong starts tomorrow.
i wonder if all the little fascist democrat politicians will have the balls to keep the ragheads out of their sleeper cells, er mosques.
Pederast it wasn’t the KKK, it was his flock, because he refused to fail a student in his biology class when they began integrating the schools in Monroe.
And he never preached again
Keep up
he death cult celebration of rama-lama-ding-dong starts tomorrow.
i wonder if all the little fascist democrat politicians will have the balls to keep the ragheads out of their sleeper cells, er mosques
As long as their Wudu is in a communal bath let them have it
With Over 45,000 Americans Dead and Millions Out of Work, Joe Biden Says He’s ‘Excited’ About the Coronavirus Crisis
I think Joe desperately wants out, luckily for Republicans dems never look critically at their own.
Trump War Room - Text TRUMP to 88022
@TrumpWarRoom
Why is Joe Biden using notes for an interview on a late night comedy show?
He still confused Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) for hospitals with the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP).
He's not playing with a full deck, folks.
Video: https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1252956125907103744
Like someone said Joe doesn't believe in science or else he would be in an assisted living facility.
Caliphate4vr said...
Pederast it wasn’t the KKK, it was his flock, because he refused to fail a student in his biology class when they began integrating the schools in Monroe.
And he never preached again
Keep up
_____________
Oh, wow.
Well at least I did get right the part about him being persecuted for being on the correct side of the race issue.
I could ask, Why aren't you?
But perhaps you are...
My college/university/seminary "certificates" are far more genuine
Just curious Reverend, did you get your diploma via first class mail or did it come third class with all the other junk mail?
FAKE FACT CHECKING - CAN'F MAKE THIS SHIT UP
Amy Hollyfield
@amy_hollyfield
PolitiFact: Democrats aren’t ‘refusing’ to return from vacation. All of Congress is in recess http://dlvr.it/RVFgG3
John Noonan
@noonanjo
This is absolutely hilarious. The House Calendar had members scheduled to be in session this week and next.
They are not in session.... because Democratic Leadership is refusing to call members back.
Fake fact checkers are the enemy of the people too
* -FAKE FACT CHECKING - CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP
don't want the POS "pastor" to feel the need to correct my typo
ROFLMFAO !!!
Just curious Reverend, did you get your diploma via first class mail or did it come third class with all the other junk mail?
ROFL If you were really curious, Commonsense, you could check with Barton College in Wilson, NC; East Carolina University in Greenville, NC; and Lexington Theological Seminary in Lexington, KY, and ask them if I graduated with BA, MA, and MDiv degrees. You could also check with the Regional Office of the Christian Church (DOC) in Bloomington, IL to see if I am an ordained minister in good standing. You could also ask them if I have ever been fired from a church or been charged with or accused of any kind of crime or misdemeanor.
But you are not really curious about any of that, so you will not.
Yawn, 3rd rate skools.
The Wealthest People in the US have flock to the Hamptons.
Catherine Herridge
@CBS_Herridge
READ: Combative letter @RichardGrenell to Chairman Adam Schiff obtained
@CBSNews. Acting ODNI Grenell “I strongly agree w/your statement of a bipartisan legislative commitment to the IC. I would hope to see this commitment reflected on the signature line of your future letters."
https://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1252732056360095746
ROFLMFAO !!!
read the whole letter.
grenell completely destroyed schiff without breaking a sweat.
ROFL If you were really curious, Commonsense
Actually I know as as much as I need about your education. Outside your obsession with english grammar, you show remarkable ignorance, shallow-thinking and undisciplined cognition.
You even lack the common sense and intuitive thinking one might expect from an uneducated yet intelligent person.
So I don't need a list of you phony worthless degrees. I already know enough about you.
Just curious Reverend, did you get your diploma via first class mail
Just curious Dr Cramps....where did you get that higher degree from.....Trump U?????? BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Too funny that the uneducated cultist now questions others creds when he has none of his own......LOLOLOLOLOL
Denny feels compelled to defend his butt buddy. That's so sweet.
DR Cramps had his ass kicked all day....I guess he wants more!!!!!! BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!!! Sucking on the pauls dick is your bailiwick......dumb and dumbest!!!!!!
If that's the best you got Denny, then no worries.
Still feeling a little down the Golden Corral is closed? Don't worry, Trump will have it open for you as soon as possible.
Just don't, you know, use the chocolate fountain like a drinking fountain. That's definitely breaking some social distancingrules.
Exactly.
"CommonsenseApril 22, 2020 at 3:05 PM
Denny feels compelled to defend his butt buddy. That's so sweet."
"Let them eat Ice Cream" Pelosi
Is still on vacation.
No need yo actually do her job.
Trump needs to lead instead of placing blame on everyone but himself!!!! The Feds need to take the lead in getting testing kits to the states so they can get the real story....This is a NATIONAL CRISIS, not an individual states problem!!!!! And the goat fucker blames nancy like the good little dumb ass he is!!!!!
China is the sole culprit.
Surely no one is faulting the work ethic of The President.
Flyover Country is opening up for Business , slowly, intelligently , with the understanding that "we got this!".
Blogger KansasDemocrat said...
China is the sole culprit.
Flyover Country is opening up for Business , slowly, intelligently
BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! Another big swallow of goat fucking stupidity
The Feds need to take the lead in getting testing kits to the states so they can get the real story....
you fucking moron.
testing needs with NY, between the city and upstate aren't even the same. if you want testing to be effective, keep it as local as possible.
if you want to make it just another lame issue with which to criticize trump then nationalize it. that will extend the timeline out to an unmanageable level and make things worse, not better.
save a test kit and eat a pistol denny. you dumb fuck.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/4/21/1939116/-Rep-Ocasio-Cortez-shows-she-can-walk-it-like-she-talks-it-in-door-to-door-food-delivery-effort?detail=emaildkre
Troll Denise, where did the China Virus Originate?
Surely no one is faulting the work ethic of The President.
I guess those 55% who think he is doing a shitty job may disagree with your stupid assertion!!!!!
You still have to win with Biden.
From 368 patients at veterans hospitals found 28 percent of those who got it died—compared to 11 percent who received the standard treatment without the drug. And 22 percent of the patients who got hydroxychloroquine plus the antibiotic azithromycin died. So basically Trump and the VA hospital killed 20-25 Veterans. https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-of-hydroxychloroquine-trump-promoted-coronavirus-drug-finds-more-deaths
4:52PM She talks the walk and walks the talk.
Where did you originate you dumb fuck.....your old mans wet dream??????
Sad you are such a dumb fuck....your old man would be embarrassed by his legacy!!!!!!!!
"the pandemic’s hardest-hit community where Latinos and Black residents are disproportionately impacted"
Really, Why is that James?
save a test kit and eat a pistol denny. you dumb fuck.
I love it when I trigger dumb fuck rat hole...such a brave trump supporter!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!
They are evil, I suppose.
🤣@Troll Denise
I asked
the pandemic’s hardest-hit community where Latinos and Black residents are disproportionately impacted"
Really, Why is that James?
James has yet to reasonably respond.
Vaccine Expert Removed for Questioning Trump
April 22, 2020 at 4:20 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
“The doctor who led the federal agency involved in developing a coronavirus vaccine said on Wednesday that he was removed from his post after he pressed for a rigorous vetting of a coronavirus treatment embraced by President Trump,” the New York Times reports.
Said Dr. Rick Bright: “I am speaking out because to combat this deadly virus, science — not politics or cronyism — has to lead the way.”
________
Oh, but Doctor, you do NOT question Herr Trump!!!
James , immigrate field workers are allowed to work.
You thought otherwise.
Wow,,,,,,Kansas ranks 50 th in testing per 1000 people,,,,,,,bottom of the heap....lets open them up for business as usual!!!!!!!
Oh, I knew.
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The president has angered his base by soliciting temporary foreign workers in an effort to stabilize the economy.
“It’s reprehensible,” said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates more immigration restrictions. “Specifically importing workers into jobs unemployed Americans would be doing is absurd.”
No you didn't.
"James April 22, 2020 at 8:28 AM
Food shortages .
"Not enough immigrants coming in to harvest those crops?"
Oh, but Doctor, you do NOT question Herr Trump!!!
james Nazi roots are showing
LOL Hey, stupid, it was a question to set you up. It worked.
Thanks for opening up the opportunity for me to post 5:07.
ROFL!!!
"Australian government’s call for an investigation into the origins of the Wuhan coronavirus, with the Chinese embassy denouncing Australian lawmakers as puppets of the United States."
No, Trunp's Nazi roots are clearly visible.
After all, He used to keep "Mein Kamph" by his bedside.
Blogger Roger Amick said...
From 368 patients at veterans hospitals found 28 percent of those who got it died—compared to 11 percent who received the standard treatment without the drug. And 22 percent of the patients who got hydroxychloroquine plus the antibiotic azithromycin died. So basically Trump and the VA hospital killed 20-25 Veterans. https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-of-hydroxychloroquine-trump-promoted-coronavirus-drug-finds-more-deaths
It is macabre and ghoulish to revel in this
Of the 368 patients at veterans hospitals
28% died who got hydroxychloroquine
11% died who got standard treatment without the drug
22% died who got hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin
So basically Trump and the VA hospitals killed 20-25 Veterans. https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-of-hydroxychloroquine-trump-promoted-coronavirus-drug-finds-more-deaths
__________
Well, that sounds pretty straight forward to me.
I admit, though, it IS macabre and ghoulish--
on the part of those who trusted Trump's medical advice too much.
And I guess I would especially feel that way if any of the dead had been dear relatives of mine.
"Illinois Democrats are demanding $41 billion from the federal government for coronavirus relief, including $10 billion for Illinois's cash-strapped and underfunded public pension plan."
Well that didn't take long.
James stop lying to yourself.
In a Vanity Fair article, Ivana Trump told a friend that her husband's cousin, John Walter "clicks his heels and says, 'Heil Hitler," when visiting Trump's office.
Funny, under Kushner, Wikipedia lists cousins. No john walter.
Jan, 2013
John Walter, the former mayor of Flower Hill and cousin of President Donald Trump, died last Friday. He was 83.
Ivana Trump is Trump's first wife.
Ivanka Trump Kushner is Trump's daughter.
From that Daily Beast article
"The team acknowledged that patients who got hydroxychlroquine were likely to be among the most critically ill, but even accounting for that, the death rate was outsize."
There have been reports that the earlier hydroxychlroquine is given the better the result. Thousands of patients have now been given this drug and many doctors have given very promising reports, including one who "saved" his 90+ year old father who was administered the drug on the advise of his doctor son who lived distant. Guess he should have just let him die.
"Food and Drug Commissioner Stephen Hahn said at the Tuesday briefing that while there are 30 clinical trials underway, the results are not expected until early summer. He said that the veterans study was too small and preliminary to “help us make a decision from a regulatory point of view.”"
This is one study, late stage, and compared to a group that was not so late stage, though exact specifics were not released. The study has not been peer reviewed. Other studies have different conclusions. 30 are ongoing.
But the medical advice giving CHT liberals are already screaming to stop what medical professionals are practicing and charging that President Trump has killed 20-25 veterans.
Disgusting but par for the course for what is emerging as the democrat party rooting against America.
Trump turns on China AFTER MONTHS OF PRAISING its response to the coronavirus
Yahoo News Apr 22nd 2020 4:33PM
With the COVID-19 death toll mounting in the United States, President Trump in recent weeks has defended his administration’s response to the virus while criticizing China, where the coronavirus pandemic originated, for misleading global health officials about the scope of the outbreak.
But as COVID-19 first began spreading across the globe, Trump praised Chinese President Xi Jinping’s management of the disease.
In an interview with CNBC conducted at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, on Jan. 22, Trump was asked if he trusted the communist government to be transparent about the virus.
“I do, I do,” Trump said. “I have a great relationship with President Xi.”
At the time, the United States had confirmed just one case of the coronavirus.
“I had a great conversation last night with President Xi,” Trump told reporters on Feb. 7, when there were just 11 confirmed U.S. cases of COVID-19. “It’s a tough situation. I think they’re doing a very good job.”
At a reelection rally in New Hampshire on Feb. 10, Trump told his supporters, “I spoke with President Xi and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s going to all work out fine.”
“I really believe they are going to have it under control,” Trump said in an interview with Fox Business that same day.
On Feb. 23, Trump again praised Xi’s efforts.
“President Xi loves his country,” Trump said. “He’s working very hard to solve the problem. And he will solve the problem.”
“As far as President Xi, he’s a friend of mine,” Trump said on March 13, when there were more than 2,000 confirmed U.S. cases of COVID-19. “I believe we are dealing in good faith.”
Nine days later, Trump began to change his tune.
“I’m a little upset with China, I’ll be honest with you,” the president said during a March 22 press briefing on the coronavirus. At that point, 33,000 Americans had tested positive for COVID-19, and 421 people died from it in the U.S. “They should have told us about this.”
“We didn’t know about it,” Trump continued. They knew about it and they should have told us. We could have saved a lot of lives.”
By April 17, the United States had become the epicenter of the pandemic and Trump vented his anger at China. “Let me just put it this way: I’m not happy, OK? I’m not happy," the president said.
“They didn’t report what was happening inside of China,” he continued. “No, I’m not happy with China.”
“Certainly we didn’t get an early run on it,” Trump said the following day. “It would’ve been helpful if we knew about it earlier.”
Trump’s shift in tone on China comes as his administration faces blistering criticism over its response to the coronavirus, which has now killed more than 45,000 Americans and infected at least 800,000.
The president has repeatedly pointed to a ban on any foreign national who had been in China from traveling to the United States in defending his response to the virus.
But the measure, which took effect Feb. 2, did not bar American citizens and legal residents or foreign nationals with close family ties to U.S. citizens. According to the New York Times, at least 40,000 people traveled to the United States from China after the so-called ban was in place. And Trump’s coronavirus task force did not announce social distancing guidelines until March 16.
At Friday's coronavirus task force briefing, Trump raised the speculation — so far unproven — that the virus was accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan conducting research on the pathogen. (Most epidemiologists believe that the virus originated from bats before jumping to humans.)
The next day, Trump seemed to suggest that he won't seek to punish China if it turns out the virus was released by mistake.
“A mistake is a mistake,” the president said. “But if China was knowingly responsible, there will be consequences.”
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WHAT A STABLE GENIUS!!!
So basically Trump and the VA hospitals killed 20-25 Veterans. https://www.thedailybeast.com/study-of-hydroxychloroquine-trump-promoted-coronavirus-drug-finds-more-deaths
About that study.
Five Problems With the Study That Claims 'More Deaths' From Treating Coronavirus With Hydroxychloroquine
5. It was a small, non-peer-reviewed study, not a clinical trial
Previous studies showing the promise of hydroxychloroquine in treating the coronavirus have been downplayed by the media because they were small studies, not large-scale clinical trials. This study was not a controlled clinical trial, but an analysis of medical records, and it hasn't been reviewed by other scientists yet.
Even the Associated Press noted that the difference in fatality between those given hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin "was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival." You think? I'm willing to bet that upon peer review, scientists will acknowledge similar faults with this study that I've identified.
4. The patients were not representative of the entire population
By now there are a number of things we've learned about the coronavirus: It has a higher fatality rate with males, older people are more likely to be affected by it, most who die from it had other illnesses. The patients whose records were analyzed for this study were all male. The patients' ages ranged from 59 to 75, with a median age of 70 (for those treated with hydroxychloroquine), 68 (for those treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin), and 69 (for those receiving standard treatment alone). The patients were also disproportionately black. According to the census, 13.4 percent of United States population is black, but in the study, 68% (HC), 59% (HC+AZ), and 65% (No HC) of the patients were black. There is a known racial disparity in how the coronavirus impacts those who contract it that isn't fully understood yet.
The prevalence of comorbidities in those who have died from the coronavirus tell me that a study done on VA hospital patients was never going to give an accurate representation of the drug's efficacy. This study was exclusive to a high-risk group of individuals, involving a drug that, like every other drug, has side effects. Could hydroxychloroquine or hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin have side effects that are disproportionately more severe, or even marginally fatal, to older patients? Maybe it does. That wouldn't make it unique. But this study doesn't tell us anything about how the drug works with the overall population.
3. The most severe cases disproportionately received the drug
The study itself acknowledges that "hydroxychloroquine, with or without azithromycin, was more likely to be prescribed to patients with more severe disease." In such a small study that isn't representative of the entire population, this would likely impact the results. For starters, there is a direct correlation between advanced age and the severity of side effects. If more severe cases were more likely to be prescribed the drug, it's possible that these patients were more likely to be fatal cases regardless of the treatment, and perhaps the drugs weren't administered early enough to alleviate the symptoms to result in recovery. "The findings should not be viewed as definitive because the analysis doesn’t adjust for patients’ clinical status and showed that hydroxychloroquine alone was provided to VA’s sickest COVID-19 patients, many times as a last resort," a spokeswoman for the Department of Veterans Affairs told Fox News.
2. Other studies and anecdotal reports suggest it helps
As PJM's Tyler O'Neil noted earlier this month, "Doctors and patients across America have reported positive results" with hydroxychloroquine in treating the coronavirus. Dr. Anthony Cardillo, the CEO of Mend Urgent Care in Los Angeles, reported seeing "significant success" with the drug in treating coronavirus patients. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo even requested more hydroxychloroquine from the Trump administration after seeing promising results. Democratic Michigan state Rep. Karen Whitsett says the drug saved her life. Were they all just lucky? Unlikely. while these studies were small, and the reports anecdotal, I'd be willing to bet the patient base for all of them were more demographically diverse than the VA hospital study.
1. The study concluded that controlled trials are still needed
The study's conclusion states quite clearly that "These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs." It seems to me that the authors of the study were aware of its faults when they published. This study was too small and non-representative of the population. Yet we saw the media pounce on its results so they could fault him for promoting hydroxychloroquine. The bottom line here is that we now have studies that say it works and that it doesn't work. Hydroxychloroquine might not be as effective as the small studies with positive results that say it is, and it most likely isn't as ineffective as this VA hospital study suggests. Obviously, it's worth getting a reliable answer.
The Daly Beast is an irresponsible rag. James is just desperate for kill people.
RE: WHAT A STABLE GENIUS!!!
[ ] Was he deceived?
[ ] Is he stupid?
[ ] Is he naive?
[ ] Is he unfit to govern?
[ ] Was he lying?
[X] All of the above?
Daily Beast looks better than Commonsense's PJ Media
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From Wiki:
In September 2013, former congressman Allen West left PJ Media after he had an altercation with a female staffer and allegedly called her a "Jewish American princess." West denied being fired and said he left voluntarily.
In January 2020, PJ Media published a column by one of their writers Robert B. Spencer also founder and director of the anti-Muslim conspiracy blog Jihad Watch, in which he falsely stated that congresswoman Ilhan Omar had given Iran military advice by suggesting it could target Trump hotels, and thus committed treason.
Fact-checkers at Snopes rated this claim false.
In February 2020, PJ Media published a column by one of their writers Victoria Taft also a conservative talk show host, in which she falsely stated that President Barack Obama waited until millions were infected and 1000 dead in the U.S. before he declared the Pandemic H1N1/09 virus an emergency.
Fact-checkers at Snopes rated this claim false.
You're posting about an unknown relative who died 7 years ago?? A little desperate?
Nothing desperate about the FACT that Ivana Trump said Donald's cousin clicked his heels and greeted Donald with "Heil Hitler!"
Are you denying she said that?
Are you saying Trump didn't "know" him?
Some unknown relation who had been dead for 7 years?? Grasping at straws and then some.
James said...
Nothing desperate about the FACT that Ivana Trump said Donald's cousin clicked his heels and greeted Donald with "Heil Hitler!"
Are you denying she said that?
It's NOT a FACT that Ivana said that.
You earlier said she supposedly told an unnamed "friend" apparently 7 years ago from what I surmise.
You burst out in random German Nazi phrases here.
It's much more likely that was something you actually did at some point in your life.
You probably are getting as senile as Biden and that would be a logical conclusion.
No need to thank me for clearing that up.
Commonsense said...
The Daily Beast is an irresponsible rag. James is just desperate to kill people.
Glad someone else noticed that.
The Democrats still have to win with Biden.
Speaking of Senile Joe.
"I believe, because, sort of, the blinders have been taken off, because of this COVID crisis, I think people are realizing, “My Lord. Look at what is possible. Look at the institutional changes we can make ..."
Yeast Shortage.
"Bread making is enjoying a pandemic-driven renaissance right now, but it’s hitting one hitch: No one can find any yeast"
Ivana Trump told a friend that her husband's cousin, John Walter "clicks his heels and says, 'Heil Hitler," when visiting Trump's office.
Ich spreche, lese, und schreibe Deutsch, Du Dummkopf.
Wenn Fliegen fliegen hinter Fliegen, fliegen Fliegen Fliegen nach.
TRUMP: A chance there will be no Covid-19 in the Fall.
FAUCI: There will definitely be Covid-19 in the Fall.
Biden Leads In Key Rust Belt States
April 22, 2020 at 9:42 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
A new Reuters/Ipsos poll in three key battleground states finds Joe Biden leading President Trump in all of them.
Michigan: Biden 46%, Trump 38%
Pennsylvania: Biden 46%, Trump 40%
Wisconsin: Biden 43%, Trump 40%
Once again, Trump’s vote share under performs his approval rate in all three states.
NO, YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS S--- UP!
Trump Slams Kemp for Reopening Georgia
April 22, 2020 at 7:24 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
President Trump said he told Gov. Brian Kemp (R) he “totally” disagreed with his decision to roll back coronavirus restrictions and allow shuttered businesses such as nail salons and barber shops to reopen this week, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports.
Said Trump:
“So do I agree with him? No. But I respect him and I’ll let him make his decision.
Would I do that?
No. I want to protect people’s lives.
But I’m going to let him to make his decision.
But I told him I totally disagree."
He added:
“They can wait a little bit longer. Safety has to predominate.”
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OK, CH, SO THERE YOU HAVE IT.
YOUR NEW MARCHING ORDERS FROM YOUR FUEHRER,
YOUR MESSIAH, HERR TRUMP.
BETTER GO BACK NOW AND REWRITE ALL YOUR ARTICLES,
OR ELSE YOUR FUEHRER-MESSIAH WILL BE UPSET WITH YOU TOO.
TRUMP ONE DAY:
LIBERATE GEORGIA!
TRUMP ANOTHER DAY:
NO! NO! DON'T LIBERATE GEORGIA!
IT'S TOO DANGEROUS!
TOO DANGEROUS!
The lying NAZI POS "pastor" has gone completely bat shit insane.
Better check on your Covid-19 study lies. Hint, like always with you, it is totally falling apart.
And your sanity.
ROFLMFAO, pass the popcorn !!!
In February 2020, PJ Media published a column by one of their writers Victoria Taft also a conservative talk show host, in which she falsely stated that President Barack Obama waited until millions were infected and 1000 dead in the U.S. before he declared the Pandemic H1N1/09 virus an emergency.
Fact-checkers at Snopes rated this claim false.
so snopes lies again.
0linsky waited seven months to declare an emergency.
seven full months.
so, over the course of one year...
From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/cdcresponse.htm
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK52789/
those who cite snopes are fucking imbeciles. and liars. intentional fucking liars.
And fucking idiot daddy projecting like trump .....calling the doctors out on being misquoted and the doctor saying he was not.....who to believe?????? BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!! A good chance the virus will not come back....Dr.s disagree and the idiot daddy swallows another huge load of trumps BS!!!!!!
What exact date Did Speaker Pelosi warn us of the China Virus?
so slopes lies again.
Now that is knee slapping hysterical you fucking loser!!!!!! Now you dumb fuck you never said whether you got a flu shot that year....why is that????? BTW.....only 48% of americans received in a typical year.....Funny, you hold Obama responsible for idiots like you getting sick......dumb fuck
What exact date Did Speaker Pelosi warn us of the China Virus?
The question is when was trump told there might be a problem....BTW...Pelosi is not POTUS !!!!!!! YOU GOAT FUCKING IDIOT!!!!
BTW...Pelosi is not POTUS !!!!!!!
No, she's the speaker of the house who played politic by delaying much needed aid to small businesses and workers. Basically saying "let them eat ice cream".
TRUMP ONE DAY:
LIBERATE GEORGIA!
He never said or tweeted "Liberate Georgia". This is a bald face lie James fabricated .
For a pastor, he regularly breaks the 9th commandment all too often.
Thanx cramps for confirming Pelosi is not POTUS!!!!! Delaying my ass as mitch says states should go bankrupt.....>BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
BTW.....he did tweet 3 other states and told the dumb fuck from Ga he shouldn't open early......Kemp ignored him showing what a paper tiger the asshole in chief is!!!!!
Trump Slams Kemp for Reopening Georgia
I don't quite understand the media's hysteria over this.
Kemp was going beyond the federal guide lines.
And Trump publicly called him out in response to a reporter's question.
Then media says Trump's a dictator.
The US Mortality rate is going to spike for this year right?
I don't quite understand the media's hysteria over this.
My Ga neighbors are screaming too early.....please provide link of media being hysterical Dr Cramps.....Me thinks you are again full of shit!!!!!!!
Kemp ignored him showing what a paper tiger the asshole in chief is!!!!!
Case in point. If Trump orders Georgia to follow the guide lines (it's questionable the president even has the power to do it) then Trump is called an authoritarian dictator.
If Trump doesn't, he's a paper tiger.
The public has pretty much caught on to this game of "Heads I win, tails you lose". Except of course a few TDS morons like Denny.
My Ga neighbors are screaming too early.
Link please? 😊
t's questionable the president even has the power to do it) then Trump is called an authoritarian dictator.
It also shows him to be a toothless leader as nobody listens to him or the FUCKING GUIDLINES his Dr's and staff out together!!!! The polls of Mi Wi and Fl all have trump behind in the general while his base of Old white assholes are deserting trump in droves with 65 and older now have trump way under water!!!!!! Are those the things you are talking about ?????? BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Can is correct. Whatever Trump does, it will be wrong. In funding too. No matter whay amount Trump asks for, it's a guarantee that Schumervwill say it doesn't go far enough.
So Trump is a dictator by not dictating to the states and letting them decide individually. Hmmm.
No matter what amount Trump asks for, it's a guarantee that Schumervwill say it doesn't go far enough.
I see the dumb fuck ball less wonder now thinks $4 trillion debt is okay!!!!! You bitched about obama's stimulus package and now the more money spent the happier you are....How can you reverse course in such a short amount of times????? How much more of my money so you want to spend??????/ Fucking idiot!!!
Because 22M people were instantly unemployed. This was not economic stimulus. It was financial funding for people who would lose their homes and small businesses that would close permanently. Even you should be able to see this.
We don't call you dopey for nothing.
Because 22M people were instantly unemployed. This was not economic stimulus
BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!! And you have an advanced degree in what....being a fucking dumbass????????
. It was financial funding for people
IOW's economic stimulus!!!!!!!! Thanx for clearing that up!!!!!!
I see the dumb fuck ball less wonder now thinks $4 trillion
But dumb fuck Denny had no problem with Obama adding 1 trillion to the debt for a useless economic stimulus package.
At lease this one help kept people afloat.
Gov. Witless
"CNN)On Tuesday, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer canceled a no-bid state contract dealing with coronavirus testing that she had announced just the previous day after complaints emerged because two of the firms involved were connected to state and national Democratic consultants.
"The executive office is uncomfortable with this vendor for the same reason others are," Whitmer press secretary Tiffany Brown told The Washington Post, which first reported the story. "The public needs to have confidence that this tracing work is being done by a nonpartisan firm. The state is committed to ensuring this important tracing work can begin quickly to help save lives, while also ensuring that public health data is safe and secure."
CNN
1 trillion to the debt for a useless economic stimulus package.
BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Your opinion is duly noted and laughed at again.....Obama saved the economy which led to uninterrupted job growth until trump fucked it up......LOLOLOL Trumps deficit will go on for years and years with anemic GDP growth when it recovers....Thanx again for proving you are a worthless POS with no brains!!!!
Educational video for Dr cramps and the rest of the trump morons...
https://youtu.be/TkU1ob_lHCw
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday that protesters calling for the state to reopen the economy so they can go back to work could “get a job as an essential worker.”
Cuomo made the comment at the end of a long exchange with WRGB reporter Anne McCloy, who told the governor that she spoke with demonstrators outside New York’s state Capitol in Albany before heading inside for the daily press conference. The protesters told her they can’t wait for widespread coronavirus testing – which Cuomo has been pushing -- and want to return to work so they can have an income and feed their families, McCloy said."
Trump Initially Praised Kemp for Reopening Georgia
April 23, 2020 at 8:18 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 34 Comments
President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence both called Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) on Tuesday night and expressed support and praise for the Republican’s move to reopen businesses in his state starting Friday, CNN reports.
Yesterday, Trump said the exact opposite at his daily briefing — claiming that he told Kemp he disagreed “strongly” with the decision.
Sounds a lot as if he told the governor one day,
GOOD! LIBERATE GEORGIA! THAT'S A GOOD IDEA!
and then the a short while later told the governor
NO! DON'T DO THAT! I TOLD YOU THAT IS WRONG!
THE LIAR PRESIDENT.
No shit for brains. Economic stimulus is to stimulate spending. This is to keep people from losing all that they have.
FROM YESTERDAY---
Trump Slams Kemp for Reopening Georgia
April 22, 2020 at 7:24 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard
President Trump said he told Gov. Brian Kemp (R) he “totally” disagreed with his decision to roll back coronavirus restrictions and allow shuttered businesses such as nail salons and barber shops to reopen this week, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reports.
Said Trump:
“So do I agree with him?
No. But I respect him and I’ll let him make his decision.
Would I do that?
No. I want to protect people’s lives.
But I’m going to let him to make his decision.
But I told him I totally disagree."
He added:
“They can wait a little bit longer. Safety has to predominate.”
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YET EARLIER HE PRAISED HIM FOR OPENING UP THE STATE, AND PENCE DID TOO.
THE LIAR PRESIDENT.
Did you call Trump S for brains?
I admit, if I were a Republican I'd have one devil of a time explaining this.
Sounds to me like Trump is trying to play both sides of the issue.
True statesmen do not do that.
The governor of Georgia did not wait for conditions in the state to be fulfilled that are required for phase one.
Georgia has not had fourteen days of declining cases and deaths and thus is not ready for stage one actions.
Trump is right to chastise him for jumping the gun, but he was wrong to praise him.
Playing both sides of the issue is not statesmanlike.
People in Georgia are phoning in, pointing out that Georgia still has hot spots of infection going on.
according to CNN
lol
No, according to Public Radio.
"It’s amazing how much people want to get to work, they just — they’re dying to get back to work.”
— Sean Hannity, on his radio show.
are phoning in, pointing out that Georgia still has hot spots of infection going on.
CNN my ass Dr Cramps......my neighbors in hillbilly land are saying the same thing!!!!!
they’re dying to get back to work.”
— Sean Hannity, on his radio show.
Yep....they certainly can die if and when returning to work.....cramps applauds!!!!!
id...
No shit for brains. Economic stimulus is to stimulate spending.
And please my ballz the useless dreamer......WTF do you think that 2 grand per couple is going to be?, SAVED??? Especially for the assholes who have NO savings and have to eat???????BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
"Economic stimulus is to stimulate spending. This is to keep people from losing all that they have."
Please stop abusing the old fat lady Denise.
Why is Fat lady Denise angry with poor people?
Spending is different than paying your bills to avoid losing everything. Damn, I'm talking to a blockhead.
Why do these people have no savings goat fucker??????? BWAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Spending is different than paying your bills to avoid losing everything
Only to dumb fucks who suck on trumps fat old white ass like you!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAAAAAA BTW dumb fuck....your though was aimed at the blockhead of Kansas!!!!!! Funny that your morality is suddenly for the poor that can't eat.....I recall your being enraged at Obama's snap money.......God you both are dumb fucks....
The Three Hospitals Provided to NY saw less then 200 patients.
Thank You Panic Striken Cuomo.
See what The Atlanta Constitution Journal has to say in the next thread up.
Q, Why do these people have no savings "
Fat Lady Dennis
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Tell us Denise, you surely know, right?
Yep....they certainly can die if and when returning to work.....cramps applauds!!!!!
After burning though his life saving trying to keep his employees working with take out only a California restaurant owner threw in the towel, close the restaurant, and laid-off his employees.
He then went home and blew his brains out. (Nancy Pelosi's response was let them eat ice cream).
This is what Denny wants more of.
Life involves risk, if you want to avoid risk, shut yourself in your house and die.
As time goes on and the lock down stays in place the death-rate from suicide, alcoholism, drug-abuse, and domestic violence will outstrip the death-rate from coronavirus. These are much more avoidable deaths.
Here's just one comment about the FAKE NEWS pushed study that was being pushed just yesterday and even on this thread.
Buck Sexton
@BuckSexton
Here’s what an infectious disease doctor tied to a major nyc hospital told me about this study:
“This is probably the worst of study designs: retrospective analysis, with no stated methods as to how patients were assigned one of three treatment arms.”
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It's almost like some on the left have a political agenda that is more important than a drug that SAVES LIVES. And has been around forever.
And throw science out the window to serve their true political God.
Buck Sexton
@BuckSexton
Here’s what an infectious disease doctor t
BWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! This guy is dumber than the box of rocks daddy lost!!!!!!!!!! I'll go with Fauci saying that the pill's effects are not credible without trials!!!!! The trials I have seen so far seem to question the efficacy of the drug and may pose grave danger to patients with heart issues......God you are a fucking idiot!!!
After siding with Kemp,
Trump realized he'd better get back on the side of Drs. Fauci and Birx
so he could distance himself from Kemp if and when the death toll starts rising.
See what the Atlanta Journal Constitution says in the next thread up.
WHAT A MESS.
WHAT A POOR EXCUSE FOR A GOVERNOR.
WHAT A POOR EXCUSE FOR A PRESIDENT.
This is what Denny wants more of.
BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!1 Sure Dr Cramps.....I want more science....you want to go to church with a crowd of idiots!!!!!!! Let me know who to believe....Trump saying we may not have another outbreak or Fauci saying we will???????????
THE BUTT BUDDIES ARE FULL ON UNHINGED THS MORNING
Please try to keep your social distance from others.
It also means things much be improving.
ROFLMFAO !!!
Interesting stat...Georgia ranks #4 in virus cases on a per capita basis...!!!! OPEN 'ER UP!!!!!!!! Still waiting for Dr Cramps to produce what the hysterical media said....!!!!!
And the fucking idiot daddy projecting BS again without thought....typical of dumb as rocks losers where facts are subject to change.....BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
I want more science...
Yet you called a scientist you don't agree with a dumb box of rocks.
You just want the science you agree with. That's not how it works.
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