The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.
The study, conducted in one of the most highly COVID-19–vaccinated countries in the world, examined medical records of tens of thousands of Israelis, charting their infections, symptoms, and hospitalizations between 1 June and 14 August, when the Delta variant predominated in Israel. It’s the largest real-world observational study so far to compare natural and vaccine-induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2, according to its leaders.
The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study, led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, the system’s research and innovation arm, found in two analyses that never-infected people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus. In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.
The key here is the statement that a vaccinated person is six to thirteen times more likely to catch the virus than someone with natural immunity. This is not the first international study that has shown similar results. Others have generally seen this number around 5-6 times rate, so this one is even more evidence that natural immunity is superior.
Yet our own CDC still insists the opposite and while they don't cite any completed studies, they link to some "in the works" studies that appear to have already drawn a conclusion and are working backwards to prove that conclusion. We insist on trying to prove the opposite of what all other studies are showing. There is no "scientific" reason for this. Only the politics of demanding that the vaccine is the silver bullet and that getting that vaccine is the only thing that matters.
This is politicization of science, medicine, and life and death. To generally lie to the public about how much better a vaccine is when it's clearly not is not a manner to garner anyone's trust. To continue to reject treatments that most of the rest of the world is using successfully seems political (rather than scientific) as well. Are we really that much smarter than everyone else? If so, why are we seeming to struggle so hard the past few months in comparison to those who know less?
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FJB
Axios reported that the Trump Pentagon was very concerned about the President in October.
Behind the scenes: In mid-October 2020, top Pentagon officials grew concerned about intelligence they'd seen. It showed the Chinese were consuming their own intelligence that had made them concerned about the possibility of a surprise U.S. strike against China, three sources familiar with the situation tell Axios.
One of the sources said: "I think they [the Chinese] were getting bad intelligence... a combination of 'wag the dog' conspiracy thinking and bad intel from bad sources."
Then-Defense Secretary Mark Esper worried the Chinese were misreading the situation and that their misperception could lead to a conflict nobody wanted.
Esper directed his policy office to issue a backchannel message to the Chinese to reassure them the U.S. had no intention of seeking a military confrontation. The message: Don't over-read what you're seeing in Washington; we have no intention to attack; and let's keep lines of communication open.These backchannel communications were handled a couple of levels below Esper, one of the sources said. U.S. officials involved thought the Chinese received the initial message well. Milley followed up later in the month with a call to his Chinese counterpart to reiterate the message, two of the sources confirmed.It's unclear whether anyone at the Pentagon told President Trump or the White House what they were doing.
Esper was the Secretary of Defense under Trump.
You was to hang him too?
Esper was the Secretary of Defense under Trump.
You was to hang him too?
Trump fired him
probably should have put him on trial if what you say is true
Amazing how Trump managed to get so much good done
then along came Biden
FJB
did I miss your post explaining why you posted about Israel or did you look at it from both sides and decided it was time to criticize biden's "strategy" ?
or do you have no idea about what you copy over ?
You was to hang him too?
Nah, let's continue down this road of going from a Representative Republic to a Military Junta. It's the path to Idiocracy and should be morbidly fascinating to watch.
Just think what could've been had someone had the opportunity to get word to King George that the Colonists were getting restless and were planning a revolution. Ol' George could've quashed that rebellion and we could still be living under the Crown.
Damn, what a missed opportunity.
Time to re-read my copy of Benedict Arnold's biography and view him as the un-sung hero that he was.
The Washington Post editorial board has bashed your favorite Trumpet DeSantis.
Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, a Republican, has descended to a jaw-dropping level of cynicism. At a news conference on Monday, he announced that if local governments in Florida impose vaccine mandates on their employees, he would fine them $5,000 for every worker. Then he stood silently by as Gainesville city employees made false claims about the mRNA vaccines that have saved countless lives during the pandemic.
Although the wave of illness from the delta variant appears to be receding in Florida, the state has suffered a terrible summer toll of hospitalizations and deaths. A governor facing such a cataclysm might naturally be expected to use all methods to keep people safe. Instead, Mr. DeSantis, an ally of former president Donald Trump, has for months been campaigning against mask and vaccine mandates and actively sought to prevent business, government and schools from imposing them. These are vital tools to save lives in the face of a highly transmissible disease, but the governor insists that everyone should have the right to make their own decision. He casts himself as a defender of personal freedom.
This is a favorite argument of Republican governors and others, including Mr. Trump, who last year amid lockdowns was tweeting “LIBERATE MICHIGAN” and other states. But personal freedom does not give an individual the right to hurt others. Those not wearing masks and refusing to get vaccinated are spreading the virus and overcrowding the nation’s hospitals. They are the majority of those who are dying. This is not freedom; it is recklessness.
Mr. DeSantis’s threat came in response to a policy by the city of Gainesville requiring that employees be vaccinated by the end of the month or be terminated, with exemptions for religious or medical reasons. More than 200 city employees filed a lawsuit seeking to strike down the mandate. “The vaccine changes your RNA, so for me that’s a problem,” said Darris Friend, a 22-year city employee who is the lead plaintiff. “We don’t want to have the vaccine. It’s about our freedom and liberty.” Mr. Friend’s assertion is wrong. The vaccines do not change RNA; they simply train the body’s immune system to fight the virus. Mr. DeSantis claims to favor vaccination. By aligning himself with such misinformation, he adds to the vaccine hesitancy that has become a major roadblock to greater immunity and ending the pandemic.
Certainly, vaccine mandates will be difficult for local governments and businesses if valued employees are terminated during a tight labor market. Some local governments in Florida, including Miami-Dade County, have adopted a less onerous approach, requiring testing with an opt-out for employees who display proof of vaccination. Some school districts in the state are wisely resisting the governor’s ban on mask mandates, too.
Mr. DeSantis harbors national political ambitions. But what he’s displaying here is crass opportunism and disregard for the greater good. As he stokes the ignorance and misguided impulses of some in the Republican base, he is acting against the very tools needed to save lives and stop the pandemic.
My least favorite politicians are those who don't care about anyone else but themselves and their ambitions. Most current Republican candidates are like you and Trump and Desantis.
Emily Hoeven
https://mobile.twitter.com/emily_hoeven/status/1437903171335049216
BREAKING: New @uscensusbureau data shows that California has the highest poverty level of any state in the nation when the cost of living is taken into account, with 15.4% of residents living in poverty.
Only DC has a higher percentage, at 16.5%.
https://census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2021/demo/p60-275.pdf
besides being run by elites and their citizens abandoned what do these two have in common ?
HINT - it has to do with whose running them. Well also the highest income "inequality" though one is between government workers and regular people and the other is caused by Hollywood and Silicone Valley.
very tough question, I know
Mein Kamph is the one you should read.
Washington Post editorial board
straight from China ?
or are they still trying to hide it?
Blogger Roger Amick said...
The Washington Post editorial board has bashed your favorite Trumpet DeSantis.
And the sun rose in the east again this morning, alky.
Your point?
BREAKING NEWS!:
Major left-wing media outlet criticizes Republican Governor AGAIN!!!
*Collective GASP*
LOL.
Yawn, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
Hey roger can you EVER answer any questions or was that something they never taught you in your limited education ?
still waiting
you must be as busy as Biden
same medications ?
It does appear to cause word salad for both of you when you do try and "talk"
Voters evidently saw through the smokescreen that recall proponents threw up about how Newsom was responsible for every bad thing that has happened in California over the last few years: wildfires, COVID-19, homelessness, crime, income equality, and on and on.
No smokescreen. They are the results of his policy.
The Washington Post editorial board has bashed your favorite Trumpet DeSantis.
As if anybody in Florida actually reads the Washington Post.
Biden administration moves to stave off shortages of monoclonal antibodies
Soaring demand for the therapy represents a sharp turn from just two months ago, when monoclonal antibodies were widely available and awareness of them was low. Consumers, doctors and states, amid little government promotion, were obtaining just a fraction of the available supply.
Monoclonal antibodies are free and effective against covid-19, but few people are getting them
Since then, however, word of the highly effective therapy — which is free to patients — has spread, with federal officials and Republicans, including Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, urging their use. Now the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services will, at least temporarily, set the rules for distribution of monoclonal antibodies instead of allowing states, medical facilities and doctors to order them directly.
“HHS will determine the amount of product each state and territory receives on a weekly basis,” an HHS spokesman said. “State and territorial health departments will subsequently identify sites that will receive product and how much.” The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe new procedures that are still being explained to communities throughout the country.
“This system will help maintain equitable distribution, both geographically and temporally, across the country, providing states and territories with consistent, fairly distributed supply over the coming weeks,” he added.
The move already has prompted concern in Alabama, where the president of the state medical association, Aruna Arora, said in a statement Monday that “Alabama’s hospitals are full and under tremendous stress. That’s why physicians are very concerned about federal efforts that will end up limiting our supply and access to this effective treatment.”
And in Florida, a spokeswoman for DeSantis said in a statement: “It is regrettable that the Biden administration would play politics with people’s lives during a pandemic, by withholding a life-saving treatment and providing mixed messages to Americans.” She was referring to President Biden’s vow last week to ramp up distribution of therapeutics for covid-19.https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/14/monoclonal-antibodies-shortage/
Trump left Biden with millions of doses and now Biden is running out of them.
Incompetent
and deadly
I forgot Biden left Trump with many empty emergency supplies before the pandemic hit
But boy can he play Mario Kart
and sleep in
Earlier polling indicated that the recall effort in CA was fifty/fifty.
What in the world could have happened.
I am just SO upset.
Key Implication: Crime and Lack of Assimilation with Mooslimbs
Previous analyses of the U.S. border have suggested that the mass immigration of non-citizens into American communities is serving as a catalyst for crime and social discord. There is no reason to believe that potentially hundreds of thousands of Afghans, many of whom are in distress and cannot be properly vetted, will assimilate easily or at all into American society.
For example, a large-scale poll conducted by Pew in 2013 found 99 percent of Afghan Muslims support Sharia law, 78 percent believe Sharia courts should operate in parallel to the existing legal system, and 39 percent believe suicide bombing is often or sometimes justified.
Refugees resettled in the United States from Somalia have included many people who would later go on to radicalize and fight alongside jihadists in Al-Shabaab, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and other radical terrorist organizations. These individuals were given a home in the United States and later went on to fight with radical groups explicitly attempting to kill Americans.
There are myriad examples of the chaos European nations have faced after accepting thousands of refugees who hold no affinity for their host countries and who failed to assimilate, to the detriment of the citizenry. The ISIS attack in Istanbul in 2016 that killed 10 Germans was carried out by a Syrian refugee who was not properly vetted by the Turkish authorities. In France, multiple suicide bombers who participated in the horrific November 2015 wave of terror attacks, were ISIS jihadists who entered as refugees. According to a study out of Zurich University, young male refugees and migrants were responsible for over 90 percent of the 10 percent increase in crime in Germany from 2014 to 2016. In Sweden, crime from refugee populations has been so profound that entire neighborhoods and cities, like Malmo, have been swarmed with young teen refugees and migrants carrying AK-47s and wearing bulletproof vests in the streets. Referred to as “areas of social exclusion,” these refugee and immigrant-dominated neighborhoods have become a flashpoint in the nation’s struggle with rising crime and violence, including a 10 percent increase in rapes from 2016 to 2017. This is but a sampling of the detrimental effects refugee resettlement policies have had in Europe.
In theory, if officials fully apply both the RAP and SIV programs to Afghans, the U.S. could see nearly 200,000 Afghans brought to the United States this year alone with well over 100,000 more following in 2022. Should existing chain migration provisions be applied to this population, the numbers will swell even more in the years that follow, with a limited ability to screen those who come.
Americans are already experiencing a fraying social fabric because of radical domestic policies like Critical Race Theory, a broken southern border that continues to strain local resources by flooding communities with COVID-19, crime, and drugs, and an alliance between Big Tech and big government to silence speech and ideas that do not comport with the progressive agenda. Relocating hundreds of thousands of people who will not easily, or may never, assimilate into American society will only accelerate community fragmentation and potentially imperil American citizens in their own neighborhoods.
I see the lying POS "pastor" and the alky have "disguised" themselves.
very clever of them
no one will ever be able to figure that out
ROFLMFAO !!!
and btw
FJB
NEWSMAX:
Trump Says Obama Is Probably Running the Country
Former President Donald Trump told Newsmax that Barack Obama “is probably running the government now anyway, according to many.”
Trump also complained that “our country has gone really downhill in the last eight months like nobody’s ever seen before.”
He added:”You go to these elections coming up in ’22 and ’24 — we’re not going to have a country left. The election was rigged, and we’re not going to have a country left in three years, I’ll tell you that.”
Liz Peek
https://twitter.com/Doc_0/status/1438112719861862410
OMG: China’s President Xi rebuffs @JoeBiden plea to meet. Biden gave Putin Nord Stream ok to get a mtg- what will he give China?
John Hayward
Biden could offer to give China a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Xi would just laugh and say no thanks, we already have one of those
clown president
banana republic
Joe Biden's America
Weeks to count all the votes in the Trump Presidential election.
Which confirmed the massive drubbing trump took in CA!!!!!!!! BTW......in 2020 the Ca attorney general said it could take weeks or months to count the results.....With trumps ass being trounced.....the election was called immediately just like the recall, and may take additional time to get the exact count due to the mail in ballots.....WTF is wrong with you Yes......your voter fraud BULLSHIT is exactly that.....BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
Earlier polling indicated that the recall effort in CA was fifty/fifty.
What in the world could have happened.
ELDER OPENED HIS MOUTH AND IT WAS DETERMINED BY THE VOTERS HE WAS A FUCKING LUNATIC TRUMPIST!!!!!!!! BWAAAAAAPAAAAAA!!!!!! That my friend is showing trumps hold is beginning to head down the toilet....like it should!!!!!
Americans are already experiencing a fraying social fabric because of radical domestic policies like Critical Race Theory, a broken southern border that continues to strain local resources by flooding communities with COVID-19, crime, and drugs, and an alliance between Big Tech and big government to silence speech and ideas that do not comport with the progressive agenda. Relocating hundreds of thousands of people who will not easily, or may never, assimilate into American society will only accelerate community fragmentation and potentially imperil American citizens in their own neighborhoods.
A Better Approach: Regional Resettlement
The better choice for the American people and the Afghans whose lives are endangered by the Taliban is coordination with neighboring nations and American allies that focuses on regional resettlement. Regional resettlement has been the long-standing consensus approach to refugee matters in the entire international community – it is the general rule in circumstances such as Afghanistan now faces, not the exception.
Regional resettlement will ensure that fleeing Afghans maintain better cultural cohesion, share religious values, possess better linguistic and social commonalities, and give Afghans a better chance to integrate and assimilate into their new homes.
With regard to Afghan refugees, there are key policies that must become paramount:
The Biden administration should negotiate resettlement agreements with neighboring nations like Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan. Additionally, pressure should be put on Pakistan, who has long had a cozy relationship with the Taliban, to ensure that the Taliban regime and its jihadist allies do not interfere in regional resettlement. The Biden administration should halt any efforts to raise the cap in the Refugee Admissions Program and instead should set lower levels of admissions on an annual basis. Congress should immediately examine existing laws that apply to refugees and refugee programs and add measures to our screening processes to assess fully whether an individual would assimilate well into the United States. Every facet of immigration law, be it legal immigration, visa applications, or refugee screening, must be focused on the foundational premise of assimilation.
Conclusion
Given the increasingly dire situation on the ground in Afghanistan and the botched withdrawal of U.S. forces, the best way to help Afghans while protecting American citizens at home is to focus on regional resettlement for Afghan refugees fleeing the Taliban.
The mass importation of potentially hundreds of thousands of people whom we cannot properly vet and who hold few cultural commonalities with us will only further inflame social fragmentation in American communities. A combination of wide open borders and far too lenient visa and refugee programs leaves Americans vulnerable and our national security imperiled.
Our elected officials must be sober-minded and clear-eyed in the days, weeks, and months ahead. Their oath and obligation is first and foremost to the safety and security of the citizens they were elected to represent.
ENDING ENDLESS WARSSECURE BORDERS
George W Bush on 9/11: "We have seen growing evidence that the dangers to our country can come not only across borders but from violence that gathers within ... they are children of the same foul spirit and it is our continuing duty to confront them." https://t.co/TGvHoCbjJV
Sedition!
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