Monday, October 17, 2016

The fall of the neocons...

Why we shouldn’t forgive the Republicans who sold their souls - Robert Kagan
(Robert Kagan is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a contributing columnist for The Post.)
These are the political leaders who are supposed to stand up to the world’s real strongmen in Moscow and Beijing. Yet they did not stand up to this bullying would-be authoritarian when all he could do was steal away a few of their voters. They would not risk five points in their primary campaigns to stop this man from becoming commander in chief. They were willing to damage U.S. national interests, as they define them, to avoid a close race. These are the men and women to whom we should entrust the nation’s welfare?
Let's be clear here folks. Robert Kagan  represents the very core of  the Neoconservative movement. In fact, many believe him to be one of the founding fathers of the movement. Like it or not, this movement has become increasingly irrelevant to the Republican Party, in large part because most of the policy that they pushed through the GWB years was simply not successful either tangibly or politically. It's one thing to be smart, to have a think tank, and to have at one time held much influence. But it's another to expect to continue to hold influence, when your policies no longer hold policy or political weight.

Obviously  Kagan in not the only Neoconservative to break with the Republican Party over Donald Trump. William Kristol, Johan Goldberg and others have been equally harsh. Still others (Like Charles Krauthhammer) has been back and forth as it pertains to Donald Trump. Overall, I believe very few true Neoconservatives are openly backing Trump, and many have given their support over to Hillary Clinton. The difference between Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton in the minds of many of these tangent movements is negligible.

(By the way, isn't it amazing how many people in Washington who have supported failed policy now support Clinton? Should tell you something about the power of the "status quo" and the true insider fear of an outsider who actually might do things differently... but that's another topic)

The problem I have with people like Kagan and many others in the NeverTrump crowd is that they forget that ultimately politics is "supposed" to be about the voter. The Republican Party is supposed to represent the people who fund their campaigns and vote for them. Not the other way around. If the mainstream voters in the Party no longer support your policy, it's not their fault... it's likely yours.

Clearly I do not support much of the antics of Donald Trump, and I am unsure at times what his policy positions truly represent. But at the very least I accept that he has the support of tens of millions of Americans, and that those supporters should be respected (not demeaned). Moreover I do believe that Donald Trump has the best interests of the Country in mind and honestly wants to bring change to a broken system.  For many Americans, those two traits are enough, because they simply doubt that his opponent has either.

15 comments:

opie said...

"But at the very least I accept that he has the support of tens of millions of Americans,"

Most of who have trouble understanding what he stands for other than he'll change DC!!!!! And if they really had some cogent thoughts would understand they are the root cause of the problem by reelecting their representatives who do nothing but fight. Want to start new.....change congress!!!

Anonymous said...

Most of who have trouble understanding what he stands for other than he'll change DC!!!!!
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what a coincidence. the same phenomena occurred in 2008 when an ACORN charlatan got elected on the message of hope and change. his supporters didn't have the first clue as to what he really stood for, but folks like peggy the moocher were fainting in front of styrofoam greek columns at the prospect of having their gas and mortgage paid for.

criticizing trump supporters for having trouble knowing what trump stands for smacks of hypocrisy, and we all know what hypocrisy is...

KD, Hillary Strong Armed FBI said...

Hillary Clinton while running the US State Department contacted the FBI to get top secret classifications changed ,,,, is this the point where any Democrat in office speaks out against this crooked person and tell us all they will no longer support her?

Commonsense said...

There is absolute contempt for the GOP voter from the neocon intellectuals.

Unfortunately they are not going to do a lot of soul-searching until their paid subscription drop to zero.

Anonymous said...

By the way, isn't it amazing how many people in Washington who have supported failed policy now support Clinton?
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not amazing at all. failed policies don't impact folks inside the beltway. it's only the folks outside the beltway who get screwed by keynesian marxism. galactic debt, worse workforce participation rate since the 70's, pathetic GDP performance, ACA implosion, sky-high welfare rolls, etc.. the kagan's of the world feel none of this. so it should come as no surprise that they would support a perpetuation of our current failure.

hillary keeps them fat, dumb, and happy.

trump offers the prospect of their big, fat $$$-soaked ox getting gored.

opie said...

Commonsense said...
There is absolute contempt for the GOP voter from the neocon intellectuals

At least the entire right has not lost its mind, like you menstral child.

KD, Obimbo Strikes again with Failure said...

“And Caterpillar will be selling the equipment that does the work.” Obama speaking to the share holders of the company, at the time the stock stood at $111.78,,,,,,,,,,
Today the stock is at $$88.14

I really hope all those that believe in the ONE, put a freaking ton of money into his stock pick.

We have hundreds of other that the ONE has picked and tanked, or put out of business.










Anonymous said...

WASHINGTON (AP) — Retired Marine Gen. James Cartwright has been charged with making false statements during a federal investigation into a leak of classified information, the Justice Department announced Monday.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-general-charged-false-statements-leak-probe-163003375--politics.html?ref=gs


huh.

well i suppose that as long as he didn't 'intend' to leak the info he's got nothing to worry about, right?

Commonsense said...

According to James Comey, there's no crime here.

KD, Trump tied or ahead in polls said...

IF he hurries and donates to Hillary, maybe she will call the FBI on his behalf, she does know how to knee cap Comey and his boys at the FBI to get her off the hook.

HB, Jane and Odopie, don't give one gawd damn about the USA, they only care IF a DemoRat is the President.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I was pleasantly surprised to see the first sentence in his final paragraph.

Clearly I do not support much of the antics of Donald Trump, and I am unsure at times what his policy positions truly represent. But at the very least I accept that he has the support of tens of millions of Americans, and that those supporters should be respected (not demeaned). Moreover I do believe that Donald Trump has the best interests of the Country in mind and honestly wants to bring change to a broken system. For many Americans, those two traits are enough, because they simply doubt that his opponent has either.

The conclusion is where i differ. " I do believe that Donald Trump has the best interests of the Country in mind and honestly wants to bring change to a broken system."

This is where I differ. I have for a long time that the only reason that Trump does anything, is for Trump, not for anyone or anything else. The big reason I am more troubled, is his attempt to make the legitimate illegitimate if he loses. He has stated that it's the international bankers, the MSM which is owned by those bankers, are all working together to defeat him. I don't think anyone with an ounce of rationality, can find credibility in this conspiracy theory and is the reason that has confirmed that it's for himself, because calling our long established and fair electoral system. The "Vote Fraud" claim has long been debunked. Multi[;e investigations found that it is extremely rare. So he's taking the two of them together.

I seriously, do think it's dangerous. This is third world thinking. If 35& of Americans don't believe in the credibility of our electoral system can lead to dangerous events. The militia movements were growing when Clinton won, and in one case, it lead to the Oklahoma city bombing. Unstable people can feel justified to act in deadly manners. He is using this dangerous tactic, not because he cares for the country, it's for him and him alone.

opie said...

what a coincidence. the same phenomena occurred in 2008 when an ACORN

That the best excuse you can come up with.....no wonder why you support trump with BS like that.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

FROM CH'S FRIEND
AT ELECTIONPROJECTION.COM----

Tuesday, October 18, 2016

Today’s projection shows no dark red states on the Senate map
Democrats are now projected to win five GOP Senate seats and lose none.

Harry Reid’s Nevada Senate seat is painted blue for first time since July 11
Democrat Cortez Masto leads Joe Heck by 7 in latest CNN poll.

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

Electionprojection current projections
as of Oct. 18--

ELECTORAL VOTES
351 Hillary Clinton
187 Donald Trump
Clinton +164

POPULAR VOTE
51.2% Hillary Clinton
43.8% Donald Trump
Clinton +7.4%

MARGIN FROM 2012
Electoral Votes: DEM +38
Popular Vote: DEM +3.6%

Honest, decent, truthful Rev. said...

The Fall of Trump

Go see what I put on Roger's "The Election Is NOT Rigged" thread today.
(Put away sharp objects first.)