- In the strongest terms, I condemned pretty much anything that the Neo-Nazi, the KKK, and other white supremacist groups stand for.
- I do however, believe that they have the right to assemble and protest.
- I have no real opinion on what the black lives matter movement stands for, because quite frankly I don't really understand what it is that they exactly stand for. Most of the time, I am not sure they do either.
- I do however generally condemn their protest tactics. Shutting down airports, or blocking freeways, looting business, and attacking police are not legitimate forms of protests.
- I condemn pretty much everything that the anti-fascists stand for. This appears to be little more than traveling to wherever someone they disagree with wants to speak, hold a rally, or otherwise assemble... and then trying to use violence to shut it down. They are thugs. Nothing more, nothing less.
- For those "counter-protesters" in Virginia who were not part of any of those other groups, I would offer that they had the right to be there and have their say. If I feel bad for anyone, it would be those who may have had peaceful intentions, but got overshadowed by everyone else who seemed bound and determined to make sure the day was anything but peaceful. I question their wisdom, but not their intentions.
- As for the local politicians, the local police and other law enforcement. Rather than attempting (last minute) to revoke a permit, or by declaring "that day" that the protests were illegal, you simply missed the boat. You gave out permits to two groups to protest in two different areas of the town. It was your responsibility to make sure that everyone stayed within the guidelines. The fact that law enforcement stood on the sidelines and watched as things spiraled out of control, puts them right up there at the top in terms of "fault" for what happened.
- Yes, the guy who drove his car into a group of people (and into the back end of another vehicle) should be tried for murder or manslaughter. While he obviously is allowed a jury trial, it seems difficult to see what his defense will be.
- Lastly, for what it's worth, I don't understand the need to tear down every statue or monuments that deal with historically significant figures or historically significant events that are now deemed politically incorrect or otherwise offensive. Not all of our significant history is good or just. But that doesn't mean that we should simply purge it from existence. Sometimes remembering what we did wrong is just as important (if not more important) than remembering what we did right. Who are we "today" to decide what future generations may or may not want to remember?
Monday, August 14, 2017
My final thoughts on Virginia...
Anyone who knows me personally would understand that I am an open minded person who is anything but a bigot. My wife is Korean. My brother's wife is Guatemalan. I have gay family members and gay friends. I have friends who are Jewish. I have friends who are Muslim,. I have more than a few friends who are Atheists. I know plenty of Trump supporters. I know many who are anything but Trump supporters. I personally know several local GOP politicians. I have a brother-in-law who is a Democratic politician. With that as my backdrop I offer the following.
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Lastly, for what it's worth, I don't understand the need to tear down every statue or monuments that deal with historically significant figures or historically significant events that are now deemed politically incorrect or otherwise offensive.
You're in good company
I am a firm believer in 'keep your history before you' and so I don't actually want to rename things that were named for slave owners. "I want us to have to look at those names and recognize what they did and to be able to tell our kids what they did and for them to have a sense of their own history. When you start wiping out your history, sanitizing your history to make you feel better it's a bad thing,"
Condoleeza Rice
I'll get back to you.
But two of these are Bonkers
Lastly, for what it's worth, I don't understand the need to tear down every statue or monuments that deal with historically significant figures or historically significant events that are now deemed politically incorrect or otherwise offensive. Not all of our significant history is good or just. But that doesn't mean that we should simply purge it from existence. Sometimes remembering what we did wrong is just as important (if not more important) than remembering what we did right. Who are we "today" to decide what future generations may or may not want to remember?
I disagree. The problem is having opposing forces held up as hero's has caused generation passing of racist and confederate heraldry. It perpetuates this white nationalist plague. Confederacy lost and were traitors. No other country has statues to traitors.
I condemn pretty much everything that the anti-fascists stand for. This appears to be little more than traveling to wherever someone they disagree with wants to speak, hold a rally, or otherwise assemble... and then trying to use violence to shut it down. They are thugs. Nothing more, nothing less.
Antifa stands against fascist. Do you understands that this position is anti fascist? Do you get it?
These statues, and many other symbols, only became offensive to some because those same people chose to imbue meaning to them that offends them. Therefore, to remove offense it makes no sense to destroy the statues and other symbols, because the cause of offense remains. It would be more logical to address the source, the perceptions of those who have chosen offense.
Antifa stands against fascist. Do you understands that this position is anti fascist? Do you get it?
So because someone names themselves something... that is what they are? Are the Giant football team actually giants? Are the California angels actually angels?
You are how you behave, Roger...
Yesterday the Police had to use pepper spray to keep the Antifa from attacking the "Patriot Prayer" group who were holding a peaceful rally in Seattle. The Antifa kept trying to break through the police barricade, several were arrested, and they started a chant calling the police "Klan" for not letting them through.... because they wanted to break up the rally. They demanded that the "Patriot Prayer" group were "fascists" and it was their duty to "allow for no shelter for fascists".
The Patriot Prayer group even invited some of them to come up on their stage and talk.
Again, Roger... one group wants to put on a peaceful rally (and did), while the other group is there simply to cause problems, and promote violence (but they were prevented by police and national guards).
Of course, you seem to think that their violent behavior is fine, because they call themselves "anti fascists". They should probably just rename themselves "crazy fucks".
The Civil War monuments means so much to the African-American citizens that I think we need to take it into consideration. And you got to realize they did commit treason. And memorizing them as Heroes no they're not Heroes they were rebellions and Traders. So I don't think that we should have that nor should the state have the flag on the buildings. We see it from different perspectives.
well alky, why stop there?
washington and jefferson both owned slaves. intellectual consistency would call for those two monuments to be torn down immediately. i mean, there has GOT to be at least one special snowflake somewhere in american society who does not possess the emotional rigor to co-exist with these two gross displays of african american suffering.
Antifa stands against fascist. Do you understands that this position is anti fascist? Do you get it?
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yet they dress like isis and act like rioting crazed fascist/anarchists.
they can call themselves the little sisters of the poor, but that doesn't make them religious or charitable.
a better question is -
do YOU get it?
the fact is rog, antifa and black lies matter are simply domestic terror organizations who happen to be darlings of the left in their war against trump.
"do YOU get it?"
Nope.
"When you start wiping out your history, sanitizing your history to make you feel better it's a bad thing,"
indeed. but we're dealing with liberals. liberals who, at an emotional level, never grew up beyond the pre-teen stage.
to me, history, including its symbols and monuments, exists to educate, inform, and remind. if you're telling me that your psyche is so fucking fragile that you simply cannot abide the sight of something from our past, to that i say - good. that's the fucking point. perhaps the existence of these symbols can help us avoid a repeat of a mistake. drag your snowflakey ass to a fucking shrink if you can't handle it.
The North Korean Dictator Just Blinked, will not shoot missles at Guam.
Obama allowed NK to produce 50 miniaturized Nuclear warheads, IF Hillary had won, do you think that would have been leaked out, Obama knew in 2013 that NK Had them .
JUST FOR HB
HB, I want you to not to look or pretend to be so stupid, so to assist you, I am telling you that your newly adopted AntiFA is not a grassroot US Org, it is an international org.
President Donald J Trump will go down in history as the worst president in the history of United States.
His own party is deserting him . The business people across the country are leaving his business groups, because of his behavior over Charlottesville .
The Charlottesville story is dominated the news coverage and is not going away. He had the opportunity to unite the country behind him if he had the courage to disown the the white superiority movement the neo-Nazi's and the KKK. Ronald Reagan united the country behind the disaster of the space launch . George W. Bush after 9/11 united the country until he changed his behavior but at that time he did a very good job.
Last night on the Tonight Show he had a very emotional reaction to the actions of the president and he just destroyed our president. Jimmy Fallon said how am I going to talk about this to my children.
In his comments yesterday it was perfectly obvious that he was being forced to make that statement and he was very uncomfortable with it and how to do it because his advisors told him he must do this .
With the exception of a solid base of around 35% of Americans he is not going to be able to get any of his agenda passed This is not going to happen. He needs Mitch McConnell but he continues to attack the guy . Without him he will not get the wall, tax reform or any of his other agenda, it's the fact if you open your minds
And you got to realize they did commit treason.
Mark this down. If Roger votes for CALEXIT, then he's committing treason.
Well Roger...
So we burn down Auschwitz because of what happened there? We erase that little tidbit of history because it offends?
You do understand what a "Holocaust denier" is, right? You understand why it's considered a bad thing to deny history?
Jimmy Fallon said how am I going to talk about this to my children.
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like any liberal would -
dishonestly, with a hard liberal bias, detached from reality, and while clutching pearls and collapsing on a fainting couch.
So we burn down Auschwitz because of what happened there? We erase that little tidbit of history because it offends?
More like he supports the burning of the declaration of independence because it was written by a slave owner.
Antifa stands against fascist. Do you understands that this position is anti fascist? Do you get it?
Wow, simply fucking wow.
BTW Rog, I'm your deity because I proclaim it.
Idiot
Obama's Chalottesville tweet is the third most like ever.
It got nearly two million likes. By contrast, Trump's did not get even a million.
Rat used to say Obama was narcissistic and racist and self centered.
We now have a true narcissist and racist and self-centered bumbler in the White House. The Republicans have taken one from among their lowest common denominators, their haters and racists and would be dictators, and exalted him to the presidency.
Lady Liberty will not forget.
Loretta used to say that the left wanted to foment racial warfare.
Read this:
Less than a half-hour after Trump’s live remarks, the Daily Stormer had declared the president’s words as a signal of tacit support for their side:
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Trump comments were good. He didn’t attack us. He just said the nation should come together. Nothing specific against us.
He said that we need to study why people are so angry, and implied that there was hate … on both sides!
So he implied the antifa are haters.
There was virtually no counter-signaling of us at all.
He said he loves us all.
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The neo-Nazi live blog also noted that Trump had refused to respond when a reporter asked about white nationalists who supported him.
“No condemnation at all,” the Daily Stormer wrote. “When asked to condemn, [Trump] just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him.
“And to everyone, know this: we are now at war. And we are not going to back down. … We are going to go bigger than Charlottesville. We are going to go huge. We are going to take over the country. … We learned a lot today. And we are going to remember what we learned. This has only just begun.”
They aren't going to take over MY country.
Your no fucking patriot "pastor".
just a cut'n'paste asshole
And there will be hell to pay
ROFLMFAO !!!
As a child of the fifties and sixties, I watched the Civil Rights Movement. Children were escorted to schools by the National Guard. The Jim Crow laws were passed to legalize racial discrimination. And Rosa Parks being denied a seat on a public bus.
Over the last weekend, I was reminded of the Speech by the greatest American of the twentieth century, Doctor Martin Luther Jr. Then I watched our President, Donald J Trump, make a comment on the horrifying event in Charleston Virginia. He did not mention the White supremacist group, the KKK, or the neo Nazi specifically. It took him two days, under pressure from all sides to clarify his comments on the evil and racists, who were carrying torches like the Nazi party movement in Germany.
When he did speak, he opened with the claim that he alone, was responsible for the economic growth, that had been recovering from The Great Recession in 2010 under President Barack Obama. He then, using a prepared statement, and finally spoke out against the white supremacist, KKK, and the neo Nazi demonstrators. He refused to respond to questions, and said to the CNN reporter, and called him as the "Fake News".
This man, is not qualified to be President of the United States Of America.
9:44 is a typical racist, nicht wahr?
This man, is not qualified to be President of the United States of America.
As historian after historian will make clear.
I fart in your face, son
ROFLMFAO !!!
He did not mention the White supremacist group, the KKK, or the neo Nazi specifically.
Hey hypocrite, if Bumble saying radical mooselimb would radicalize more mooselimbs. Wouldn't mention of KKK or Nazi create more of them?
Just curious
and NOONE CARES what you think about PRESIDENT TRUMP.
He obviously is qualified to be president and he has done an OUTSTANDING JOB so far, despite what the media and unpatriotic people like you say
So FUCK OFF LOSER !!
ROFLMFAO !!!
9:54 is not qualified to comment here, Ch.
You should block people like him. But then, you are now running a blog for Nazis, aren't you?
I wondered why "pastor" james hung out here.
He thinks it's a blog for NAZI'S !!!
THAT EXPLAINS A LOT.
NAZI'S don't allow opposing viewpoints.
NAZI'S want to control the press (and this blog)
NAZI'S believe they are superior
NAZI'S want to ban people not agreeing with them
Sounds like james to a "T"
Now the Bible says a man will be judged by his deeds.
Looks like james fit's neatly into the NAZI CAMP by what he does.
Does anyone know if he is German?
Blogger Roger Amick said...
As a child of the fifties and sixties, I watched the Civil Rights Movement. Children were escorted to schools by the National Guard. The Jim Crow laws were passed to legalize racial discrimination. And Rosa Parks being denied a seat on a public bus.
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did you also watch democrats, led by grand kleagle robert c byrd D-WV, filibuster the civil rights act of 1964?
oh that's right. that was in the days before c-span.
It was also before Byrd realized how wrong he had been and underwent a change so great it got him the votes of blacks. Something the GOP will never again have.
Suddenly we have A COWARDLY ANONYMOUS POSTING
I'm guessing it's the NAZI AKA "PASTOR" JAMES
with his superior Nazi attitude while showing his cowardly self
ROFLMFAO !!!
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It was also before Byrd realized how wrong he had been and underwent a change so great it got him the votes of blacks.
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nice revisionist history, pederast.
it was LBJ's welfare extravaganza the "great society" that delivered the black vote.
$20 TRILLION later LBJ was prophetic. he said "i'll have those n*ggers votin' democrat for the next 200 years." so of course byrd came around. once he figured out the black vote could keep him in his senate seat for as long as he wanted it. byrd was, like most democrats, a virulent racist. but he was also pragmatic.
It was also before Byrd realized how wrong he had been and underwent a change so great it got him the votes of black
You've been schooled on this previously, stupid fucking old man
3.4% of the population
This man, is not qualified to be President of the United States Of America.
Over 60 million of your fellow Americans disagree with you and there he is.
It's the height of arrogance to substitute your judgement for that of the American people.
Not accepting the legitimately elected president of the United States borders on treason.
Jim Crow laws weren't passed in the fifties and sixties. They were passed during reconstruction.
"As a child of the fifties and sixties, I watched the Civil Rights Movement"
The ONLY thing YOU watched was a few minutes of the Civil Rights movement on the nightly news.
YOU were in lily white SD, discriminating against American Indians.
Voting for Trump doesn't mean the voter thought he was qualified. Have you forgotten that "the lesser of two evils" was the majority behind either candidate?
The American people resoundingly rejected Trump, yet despised his opponent even more. An even larger majority dislike him even more now than did before. Don't think that you speak for the American people, and if you want even a shred of credibility do not dare call it treason when someone criticizes him.
Loretta you were wrong. Yes I grew up in South Dakota but I had Native American friends and they were nice people. Yes there was a lot of discrimination I knew that and I was very much offended by it. The neighbors right across the street had adopted Native American child and we were pretty good friends. Yes they do have a lot of problems with alcohol but that's an inherited problem because it wasn't part of the their life when they grew up for centuries before Europeans introduced alcohol into North and South America.
I knew that was wrong I should have fixed it
Voting for Trump doesn't mean the voter thought he was qualified. Have you forgotten that "the lesser of two evils" was the majority behind either candidate?
In other words, more qualified than the alternative.
Dance around it all you like, he's the duly elected president of the United States.
And that makes him "qualified".
Loretta you were wrong. Yes I grew up in South Dakota but I had Native American friends and they were nice people. Yes there was a lot of discrimination I knew that and I was very much offended by it. The neighbors right across the street had adopted Native American child and we were pretty good friends.
Must have been traumatic for you to see all those "Indians Only" waiting rooms Roger.
In other words, more qualified than the alternative.
I've never said otherwise.
Dance around it all you like, he's the duly elected president of the United States.
I've never said otherwise.
And that makes him "qualified".
No it doesn't. He is the duly elected unqualified barely literate buffoon, who the majority of the voting public during the election did NOT want to see as President.
Yours is the minority opinion.
Thanks for making it so clear how obviously Wp, Roger, and I occupy the morally high ground here.
Nope CS, the polls show that I have very much the majority opinion. You're somewhere around 35% probably lower since a bunch of that minority approve regardless of whether Trump is qualified.
The same polls that showed Hillary Clinton winning in a slam-duck?
Well let's just dispensed with elections altogether and have government by polling because they are so dead-on balls accurate.
Thanks for making it so clear how obviously Wp, Roger, and I occupy the morally high ground here.
So your position is that violence is justified when you hold the "high moral ground" in your mind.
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