When I want to honest answer . Others keep saying that the media is out to get Trump . But you never seem to accept the fact that he says somethings outrageous?Grammar aside, the question appears to be less of a question, and more an attempt to repute the obvious observation that many in the media are out to get Trump. Apparently, our friend here believes that the media being out to get Trump, and Trump making statements he finds outrageous, somehow, cannot logically co-exist.
Let me be clear. There are many in the media who are "out to get Trump" and the fact that he might make statements that people find outrageous with doesn't change that one bit.
When the bugs me the most is when he said find people on both sides. I do not understand how are you can think that anyone that were in a KKK robes or chanting anti-semantic logos and calling for blood and all this other stuff, why any of them, any single one of them a fine person ? I just don't get that I just simply don't get that.
I don't like the violent behavior that happened on the other side but they were down there because against Nazis and the KKK and the white superiority movement. Those can be fine people because they are against absolute evil.Again, deciphering the gobbledygook that poses as a statement, our friend apparently is making the argument that only people who stand for something disagreeable can be responsible for violence. That those who actually (as a matter of their own admission) use political violence to shut down "fascist speech" cannot be held responsible for the violence that they openly advocate and openly admit to doing.
Apparently the logic is shutting down free speech with violence is not actually violence if the free speech being shut down is disagreeable speech. Apparently then it becomes something different than actual violence. Perhaps some sort of justifiable violence? An interesting observation, that can only come from twisting yourself into knots trying to justify the unjustifiable.
So in terms of what is and isn't outrageous:
- Is it more outrageous to blame two groups of people for violence, when both sides actually were ready for violence, willing to commit violence, and actually "did" commit violence?
- Is it more outrageous to only blame the people you personally have a political disagreement with for the violence, even though you cannot logically argue that both sides didn't commit violence?
I'll let you decide which is logically outrageous.
(part two will address the NY Times call for the censor of the President)
45 comments:
You answered my question.
Those carrying Nazi flags, KKK robes, and shouting The Jews won't replace us can be "fine people" as directed by the President.
You also believe that Donald Trump has never spoken irresponsible comments, lies, or exposed a complete lack of historical education. His reference to the Philippines was 100% incorrect. But pointing this out, is motivated by hatred of the President.
You went even deeper into the swamp.
I did not say that violence, is justified because it was motivated by the hate group demonstrators.
Your either way comments are illogical.
Both contained assumptions about me that were incorrect.
Violence is not acceptable. Even if I agree with them on fighting the KKK,etc..
I have to go and get anger management so I don't have to get mad at the president over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again cuz I hate him right right? Yes I'm using the microphone this time and just laughing my ass off.
A well-written grammatically correct post that is full of lies is not justified does not prove that you're smarter than anybody else. Because even a genius can be right or wrong. I'm not a genius, and I've been right and I've been wrong. I stand with I said. Not the distortions.
Well Roger...
A reasonable person with a reasonable argument would not have to resort to obvious strawman reactions.
I neither stated that Nazis are reasonable people or made any sweeping statements about Trump never saying anything irresponsible or untrue.
It would appear that this response was out of anger.
Your comments, Ch, suggest that the media hate Trump and are out to get him. How about all the Republican leaders who are tremendously upset by statements he has made and increasingly are saying so? How about White House staff who are tearing their hair out at the off the wall things he says that utterly contradict they way they are trying to depict him? You can't blame the media for the fact that Trump's own statement are increasingly alienating Americans and the world.
did not say that violence, is justified because it was motivated by the hate group demonstrators.
Certainly you are not arguing that the antifascists did not commit violence. That would be blatantly factually incorrect. They did. It's well documented. Arrest records and video prove it.
So I am curious.
They committed violence.
You now state you don't believe it was justified.
Then how do you argue they hold no responsibility?
James...
The American public is pretty much split 50/50 on this. No different than anything else. Trump is not taking any hits in the polling.
And guess what.
None of the people you mention has any more than one vote in the next election. Those opinions (real or made up by the NYT) don't matter any more than your opinion or mine.
Unless of course... you can't think for yourself? Then I guess you can be pulled around by your earlobe.
No Sunday Show Defense from White House
Jonathan Swan: “Not a single Trump administration official appeared on today’s Sunday shows to defend the president. I’m told the White House made no serious efforts to convince officials to go on, knowing the hosts of the shows would pressure the guests relentlessly on the president’s response to the racist carnage in Charlottesville.
“The White House judged it was better to have nobody out there than risk providing fuel for another 24-hour negative news cycle on Charlottesville.”
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Is someone pulling them by their earlobes to keep them off those shows, ch?
The rise and humiliating fall of Chris Cantwell, Charlottesville’s starring ‘fascist’
The white supremacists, nationalists and far-right trolls who starred in last weekend’s violent Charlottesville rallies have suffered no lack of humiliation in the days since.
Take “Millennial Matt,” whose catchphrase — “Hitler did nothing wrong!” — earned him tens of thousands of fans before he went to the rally, but his Twitter account has since been deleted, his real identity publicized, and he is now begging fans for money to flee his home town because “my life is in shambles.”
There are plenty of other examples, from the hot dog restaurant cook who lost his job to university students whose schools publicly denounced racism after they went to the march. There’s even a Twitter feed devoted to shaming the tiki-torch-lit faces of white nationalism.
But none of the marchers soared so high or crashed so hard as Chris Cantwell, who became the ivory-skinned, gun-toting star of a documentary about Charlottesville that aired Monday on HBO — and a week later is better known as the “weeping Nazi” who got banned from OkCupid.
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Be sure to watch his weeping video. Hitler would not be proud of him.
CHT says "Unless of course... you can't think for yourself? Then I guess you can be pulled around by your earlobe. "
and james responds by cut-and-pasting from policalwire.
Guess that answers that !
Can't make this shit up
HOWLING ROFLMFAO !!!!
Idiot...
So President Trump The CnC. Will address the Nation on the Afghan War.
I will expand later I have other things to do today tonight. But I will say I do not think the use of violence on either side is Justified. We can take it from there don't assume that I think that either side has Justified to use violence to opposed the racist and anti-semitic KKK members, none of whom are "FINE PEOPLE"
So I am curious.
They committed violence.
You now state you don't believe it was justified.
Then how do you argue they hold no responsibility?
I hold them fully responsible for any violations to the law and they should be prosecuted to the limit of the law. That applies to both sides equally for the individuals and may have committed violent actions. And what's your next Point because you're trying to make or distort what I've been saying?
And yes here I go again one more time I lost post. I'm sitting here eating a wonderful salad and watching Top Gear America and I really don't give a s*** about politics right now. Buenos noches Amigos Como estan. No hablo espanol muy bien.
I have read that it is possible that the president is considering to privatize the war in Afghanistan. Blacklight is back in the game again right. Contributions to the Republican Party by the hundreds of millions of dollars can get you all kinds of stuff.
Blackwater a correction
BLACKWATER gave "hundreds of millions of dollars" really, wow Ole Roger
A quick Google search shows the lost years president used Blackwater.
Yes George W bush used Blackwater in Iraq. The Lost Years.
antifa will try to kill you for having the wrong hairstyle:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/20/man-mistaken-for-neo-nazi-gets-stabbed-in-colorado/
Those carrying Nazi flags, KKK robes, and shouting The Jews won't replace us can be "fine people" as directed by the President.
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that's a lie and you know it.
there were people in the midst of those who marched on charlottesville who were simply there to protest the removal of the statue. nothing more, nothing less. they weren't nazi's klanners, or members of any splinter hate group. their sole purpose for attending was to exercise their first amendment rights in peaceful protest.
proto-fascist antifa decided they would not stand for it and immediately ratcheted up the violence, getting one of their own killed.
then it's on to boston to pull the same shit, all in the name of "self defense"
these scumbags are everything they claim to oppose, and if more of them get killed for their cause, i'm not going to shed a tear over it.
they're domestic terrorists. period.
Roger Amick said...
I have read that it is possible that the president is considering to privatize the war in Afghanistan.
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hopefully you had your tin foil hat strapped on tight when you read that.
I hold them fully responsible for any violations to the law and they should be prosecuted to the limit of the law. That applies to both sides equally for the individuals and may have committed violent actions. And what's your next Point because you're trying to make or distort what I've been saying?
My point, Roger....
Is if you admit both side committed violence, and you believe both sides should be held accountable for their own violence...
Then what causes your outrage with the President saying exactly that?
Isn't he just telling the truth, as you just admitted to seeing it?
Then what causes your outrage with the President saying exactly that?
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a meme that just hit my inbox:
"for 8 years if i disagreed with my president i was racist.
now if i agree with my president i'm racist."
Then what causes your outrage with the President
He won.
WE THE PEOPLE ASK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO CALL ON CONGRESS TO ACT ON AN ISSUE:
Formally recognize AntiFa as a terrorist organization
Created by M.A. on August 17, 2017
146,752 SIGNED
100,000 GOAL
wow. that was quick.
He won.
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BINGO.
that's really all this was ever all about. for the alky, disruptj20, antifags, etc.
It was at about 3 am Nov. 9th,2016 when the left showed us the voter their contempt and it has only gotten worse.
It was at about 3 am Nov. 9th,2016 when the left showed us the voter their contempt and it has only gotten worse.
Two reasons
1: His lack of specific references to the the racists, crypto-Nazi,and white Superiority group.
2: His statement that said "fine people" were on both sides.
Number 2 is the one that's the most objectionable. No one that participants is are "fine people". They stand for things that have no place in the United States. We have lost hundreds of thousands lives defeating fascism. They are pro-segregation. Chanting "The Jews won't replace us".
Anyone who holds those beliefs cannot be "fine people".
Hysterical
The voters are waking up.
President Donald Trump. Voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are embarrassed by (45).
No one that participants is are "fine people". They stand for things that have no place in the United States.
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so our FIRST AMENDMENT has no place in the United States.
really.
keep it up, alky. guys like me who normally can't be motivated to participate in nonsensical bullshit like we've been seeing lately are going to tire of all this at some point. and we'll be showing up with more than 2x4's and piss bombs.
the broad brush you're using is built on a lie. and you know it.
2: His statement that said "fine people" were on both sides.
WHICH CH CONSIDERS AN ADMONISHMENT!!!! How our mighty intellectual host has been taken over by trump and his stupidity.....
so our FIRST AMENDMENT has no place in the United States.
really.
So our Rathole thinks being practicing nazi is a good thing. Yep, you are an idiot......
1: His lack of specific references to the the racists, crypto-Nazi,and white Superiority group.
Here is the President's statement:
Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans. We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our creator, we are equal under the law and we are equal under our constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry, strike at the very core of America.
Seems to me that you are either lying, or completely uninformed.
2: His statement that said "fine people" were on both sides.
Yes Trump's statement included this:
You had people and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. O.K.? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.
So Roger... again, he didn't claim that Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists were "fine people" - he stated that there were "others" in the crowd who were there just to protest the taking down of the statue, just as there were counter-protesters who were not BLM or antifascists.
Which, Roger... if you bothered to pay close attention, was the truth. There were people protesting and counter-protesting who were not part of the groups that were there looking for trouble.
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So your criticism (again) seems to rely on either you openly lying about what he said or that happened... or you really are not paying close enough attention to any of this to be able to have formed an actual informed opinion.
It would appear to me that you just are being pulled around by your ear lobes by those who tell you what to say, how to feel, what to be angry about, etc...
GIVE US THE LINK TO THIS NYT ARTICLE SO WE CAN SEE WHAT THE NYT WAS REALLY SAYING ABOUT "CENSORING" TRUMP
So Roger... again, he didn't claim that Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists were "fine people" -
He NOT separate them. He made a blanket statement, nothing as you see it. Again, your defensive wall gets cracks. It's about ready to collapse.
Your anger management needs help. I'm seen as one of the most fun seeking and entertaining people.
No one tells me what to think. Trump is in charge of your mind.
He made a blanket statement, nothing as you see it.
All I did was provide the actual quote showing differently. I provided no analysis. I didn't try to read anything more into it.
He called out neo-Nazis and White Supremacists.
Saying he didn't is just a flat out lie.
I'm seen as one of the most fun seeking and entertaining people.
Who is generally up in the middle of the night sending messages about how much hate he has for the President.
Sounds like some really good fun loving times!
Why is Jane yelling?
DEM Trump gave money to Hillary and Bill through Rapist, since Trump is a Nazi, did Hillbillies give the money back?
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