Why the DACA negotiations might fall apart
The buzz is that not only are some people on the right mad at Trump for working with the Democrats, but apparently there are people on the left furious with Democratic leadership for working with Trump.
After all, if those on the left truly believe the things they say about Donald Trump, then certainly he is not a person that you would want to do anything but oppose at every turn. Working "with" the monster does nothing more than "legitimize" him as a person, and ultimately "legitimize" him as a political leader.
The reality is that there are many people on the left still holding on to the concept that only good Donald Trump, is an ex-President Donald Trump. Their belief is that the only thing the Democrats should be working to accomplish is impeachment, removal under the 25th amendment, or possibly get him to simply resign in disgrace. The idea of actually "working with him" like he is a legitimate President is repugnant to many of these people.
Whether it was a smart psychological move on his part, or it was a random accident... Trump has taken a large step towards this very concept of "legitimization" that many of his critics are working non-stop to avoid.
Everything from keeping the ever dwindling Russian investigation in the news, to reporting (like a soap opera) on the so called "White House Chaos"... is all part of a strategy to delegitimize the President and a transparent attempt to prevent him from gaining any traction in popular opinion. All that effort goes "poof" if the Democratic Senate and House minority leadership starts cutting deals with him.
The "cartoonist" who predicted Trump's climb to the White House, while he was just one of 13 different GOP candidates... suggested that Trump's first order of business as President (before he could truly move onto anything else) was to change the narrative from him being an illegitimate buffoon who was just trying to hang onto his job, to being simply a President that did things and held positions that many people disagreed with. In other words, a Politician.
If we see a bi-partisan law on immigration, that makes both sides somewhat happy and somewhat unhappy, and it leads to negotiating a new tax-bill (with everyone coming to the table)... then Trump will have not only accomplished legitimacy, but actually accomplished something our previous President couldn't (in eight years in office). He will have accomplished bi-partisanship on a major piece of legislation.
This is the main reason I question whether or not this so called "deal" will work out. After all, Trump is basically negotiating to "give back what he took away" in order to get something new that he wants. A pretty good negotiating stance, and if Trump ultimately gets tangible returns to give back what he took away, there will be plenty of angry liberals out there. (There will be plenty of angry conservatives too, but that's a different story). Those angry liberals will not be directing their displeasure at Trump, but at their Democratic leadership. I wonder if Chuck and Nancy have the courage to legitimize Trump (and his Presidency) all for the sake of a few hundred thousand people in immigration limbo?
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I wonder if Chuck and Nancy have the courage to legitimize Trump (and his Presidency) all for the sake of a few hundred thousand people in immigration limbo?
Yes, because almost everything is on the table. Tax reform, immigration, even the wall.
I think that Trump is facing far more problems, within the GOP, than "Nancey and Chuck" will have.
And one more time, and I don't expect you to do the right thing, but allowing the idiot rrb to post a fake picture and total bs on the Legacy blog, and posting it over anything I post, that actually gets far more views than his hate filled crap. I have been trying to be different, no anti Trump, shit. Butr you let that asshold fuck up your blog with such ridiculous crap.
I know, your hatred towards me, because i DARE disagree with the alleged Colldheartedtruth. I still think your objectivity is gone, and it's based on many years of observation of you on soars and here.
Good Lord.
Another reason your view is in dispute. Trump is cuddying up to "Nandy and Chuckd". There are fewer hate Trump only, Democrats, like me for example. Since he fired Bannon, and the General is getting his ear, and he's negotiating instead of just lashing out in anger.
The President is playing games to keep his base from a complete revolt, but in the end, he's going to negotiate and get passed, the laws to address everything except probably the ACA.
Ahem Roger...
"You mean like how you always had to write a hastily thrown together post to repute something you didn't like that I wrote?
(In other words, the main reason I split the two blogs)?
I hate to tell you this, Roger... but even your newly found need to throw the phrase "gaslighting" all over the place is a sign of impulsive behavior. At least, it sure looks impulsive to the rest of us.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... then Roger is still impulsive.
https://coldheartedtruthblog.blogspot.com/2017/01/biggest-mass-temper-tantrum-in-history.html?showComment=1485201651719&m=1#c3646340924555248094
I wonder if Chuck and Nancy have the courage to legitimize Trump (and his Presidency) all for the sake of a few hundred thousand people in immigration limbo?
yes
Impulsive????
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I think you're giving way too much credit to the influence of the "not my President" loons. Trump is not an "illegitimate buffoon", he is legitimately a buffoon who is President. Prodding the buffoon into the right direction is never a political mistake - that's a Republican perspective these day but I doubt that you'll get more than a WTF look with that from Democrats.
If your political victories all arise from dealing with the Democrats, I think that most Democrats are going to be all right with that.
Roger I'm not calling you out on this but I don't really understand. Isn't the unflattering photo that RRB posted implying was you the same one you earlier posted implying was of Trump? I don't see how what he did was different from what you did. Except for being in your face, where Trump will never see his.
I may have posted implying was of Trump? If I did, I should not have done so. But that does not excuse our host letting rrb to post regarding my health and body type. I am 6'3" and weigh 190.I am in good condition, in both ways, although some of the crazier posters here can accept.
As to your comment on the host's post, we agree, the divisions in the Democratic party are no where near as those that are ripping the Republicans into shreds. Bannon is vowing to destroy the establishment, Rush and others are going after Trump in the right wing media, and are not forgiving of any bipartisanship with the Democrats. The Democrats are far more accepting of diverse views than the current Republican party, that has the alt-right and mainstream conservatives. The alt-right is over the top, Ann Coulter is calling for #impeachment.
Trump keeps contradicting himself, but the bottom line, he's going to work with the Democrats to achieve at least most of his agenda, even though it won't be as harsh as he was in the campaign. He's kind of pushing the GOP in two directions, the Dems for the most part, despite what CH says, are accepting "Chuck and Nancy" strategery LOL So to speak.
20 years ago, what Trump is doing was called triangulation.
Yep. The it was political brilliance.
2, 9lbs Boston butts put on the egg at 6 this morning, taken off at 5 this evening
Devoured by 40 high schoolers at 7:15
Another great rugby weekend
Key Trump Adviser Will Testify to Senate
“Michael Cohen, one of President Trump’s closest business advisers, said on Sunday he would testify on Tuesday to the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee, as the panel investigates alleged Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. election,” Reuters reports.
CNN: “Cohen is not expected to be under oath during the appearance, but all witnesses appearing before congressional committees are required to tell the truth or potentially face criminal charges.”
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TV Station Forced to Run Pro-Trump Programs
“The company that owns WJAR-TV is mandating the broadcast of multiple programs favorable to President Trump on the state’s most-watched television station,” the Providence Journal reports.
“Sinclair Broadcast Group, a rapidly growing media company that bought Channel 10 in 2014, produces ‘must-run’ segments and distributes them to its local stations nationwide. They must air during daily news programming.”
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Reminds us of the Nazis, doesn't it.
"If your political victories all arise from dealing with the Democrats, I think that most Democrats are going to be all right with that."
LOL LOL ROFL
Ch's objectivity is gone?
Understatement.
Jane, is your magna bleeding, your emotions are all over the plsce.
CHT has not changed. The Sir Hillary lose, when she "had it ALL".
All the money
All the media
All the ground game
All the Staff
It was so in the bag, just needed for the 30 States that voted against her to fall in line.
"This map currently shows that nationwide 63 counties are projected to have no issuers, representing over 70,000 Americans in these counties that could be without coverage on the Exchanges in 2018," the report said. "It is also projected that 1,472 counties—over 45 percent of counties nationwide—could have only one issuer in 2018. This could represent more than 2.6 million Exchange participants with only one health insurance option, which means they will not have any choices."
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Individuals who will be living in an area where there is no insurer offering coverage will still be bound by Obamacare's individual mandate to purchase health insurance or be forced to pay a penalty.
http://freebeacon.com/issues/63-counties-projected-no-obamacare-insurer-2018/
The Democrats are far more accepting of diverse views than the current Republican party
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oh, so THAT explains why the left beats the shit out of anyone wearing a MAGA hat or trump shirt out in public.
because they are far more accepting of diverse views.
that iran nuke deal is turning out to be the greatest deal in the history of deals...
for iran and it's terror satellites.
Two years after the nuclear deal was signed by Iran and world powers, the Islamic Republic is reported to have boosted its financial support to Hezbollah to $800 million a year, a dramatic increase from the $200m. it was said to be giving its proxy when sanctions were in place.
Hezbollah, one of the most prominent terrorist organizations in the world, has become bogged down fighting in Syria for Bashar Assad. Of its approximately 22,000 fighters, about 7,000 are fighting for the Assad regime, and some 2,000 have been killed in the four years the group has spent in Syria.
The US and European countries lifted sanctions against Iran in January 2016, releasing roughly $100 billion in assets after international inspectors found that Iran had dismantled large parts of its nuclear program. According to US media, officials say President Donald Trump is ready to extend those waivers that were issued under the Obama administration.
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-News/Iran-pays-830-million-to-Hezbollah-505166
"that iran nuke deal is turning out to be the greatest deal in the history of deals...
for iran and it's terror satellites."
Barack Hussein Obama, dealmaker.
Netanyahu was right, again.
A majority of Americans do not trust Trump to handle the North Korean situation.
We have a buffoon in the White House.
Barack Hussein Obama, dealmaker.
Netanyahu was right, again.
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i'll give 0linsky credit for one thing -
he wore his virulent hatred for the jews on his sleeve.
Anonymous James said...
A majority of Americans do not trust Trump to handle the North Korean situation.
We have a buffoon in the White House.
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really, pederast?
well, it's thanks to a clinton that "whoa! fat!" has the nuclear capabilities that he does.
so if we do in fact have a buffoon in the white house, that's a major upgrade from the rapist imbecile who birthed this intractable situation.
A narrow majority of Americans don't trust President Trump to handle the conflict with North Korea, according to a new NPR/Ipsos poll.
Can't trust pedophiles to be honest.
An online poll, lol.
Jane, since your qoutes are WP and others at least give him credit, don't act like you had/have an original thought.
Q, did you find that website to support the 10's of thousands of abortions of woman that were raped?
Jane, don't grab your hem and run off, your topics.
Since those babies have a soul, do they go to heaven, under your dark faith?
Do the woman that kill those babies go to hell?
PBS is now pimping Democracy Now website.
We pay for this shit.
Politico reported that the Democratic base is uncomfortable with Chuck and Nancy.
The Democratic base is growing anxious as its leaders order Chinese food and make deals with the president who many in their ranks would prefer to see impeached.
For some liberal activists and lawmakers, the burgeoning partnership between President Donald Trump and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi amounts to dancing with the devil. As long as the Democrats keep leading — driving a wedge between Trump and the fractured GOP — no one will bust up the dance.
But the sudden burst of bipartisanship could be perilous for Democrats. Already, immigration activists and Hispanic lawmakers are worried Democratic leaders will give too much ground in any deal to protect Dreamers. Progressives are also chiding Schumer and Pelosi for “normalizing” Trump, a man the party intends to run against hard in 2018 and 2020.
“Nothing Trump has done should change the fact that he’s pursuing a toxic agenda, that he has been and continues to be divisive and disastrous,” said Justin Krebs, campaign director at MoveOn.org. “The American people at large know that, and Democratic leaders should not forget that.”
Even within Schumer and Pelosi’s own caucuses, some Democrats are rattled.
“I am asserting that our base — our rank-and-file base — and a lot of us in the caucus, want to see ... or hear, periodically, that parameters are being set” in discussions with Trump, Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) said in an interview. “And we get alarmed at the speculation that this might be a new day dawning.”
“Let’s not fool ourselves,” Connolly added. “He is this person we know, and I just think there must be both political and moral limitations with how far we’re willing to cooperate with that.”
Schumer and Pelosi have made a concerted effort to loop in liberal groups that provided potent grass-roots backup in their successful fight against the GOP’s Obamacare repeal effort. But amid longtime skepticism on the left toward party leadership, the bonhomie Trump appears to share with the two top Democrats has put some on edge.
“Schumer and Pelosi often tend to be out of touch with the zeitgeist of the progressive movement,” said Murshed Zaheed, political director at the liberal group CREDO Action.
Zaheed predicted “fierce blowback” if activists perceive that the Democratic leaders have traded away their base’s priorities in any agreement with Trump.
"$165,000 would have bankrupt us" HB
So sad, two people works a life time to have so little.
“Schumer and Pelosi often tend to be out of touch with the zeitgeist of the progressive movement,” said Murshed Zaheed, political director at the liberal group CREDO Action.
Zaheed predicted “fierce blowback” if activists perceive that the Democratic leaders have traded away their base’s priorities in any agreement with Trump.
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translation:
chuck and nancy are not supposed to be working with "literally hitler" because he is literally hitler.
rrb's second rule of liberalism:
the most childish interpretation of any liberal democrat position is always the most accurate interpretation.
and y'all know what my first rule of liberalism is.
Blogger KD said...
PBS is now pimping Democracy Now website.
We pay for this shit.
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yup.
and ken burns became a millionaire thanks to the american taxpayer.
https://youtu.be/i-F2cJSNb0g
Hitting Clinton with a golf ball.
Vietnam is excellent.
He's a "Rocket Man'
Will he use that in his speech to the United Nations?
So Hitler is going to speak at the UN.
What title will the UN use to introduce 45, not the prez of the USA.
RRB, do you see a time when the financially broke and emotionally bankrupt HB is not a spamming used douche on this the adult side of CHT?
"Hitting Clinton with a golf ball."
LOL
HB, you asked me if a bill of "$700,000" would bankrupt my wife and I.
Answer: No
Blogger KD said...
RRB, do you see a time when the financially broke and emotionally bankrupt HB is not a spamming used douche on this the adult side of CHT?________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
not while he's on this side of the sod.
mentally ill insufferable asshats don't get that way over night, and there's little that can be done to cure them.
Ch, here are some questions I'm sure KD would like to ask you, vis a vis your support for the Methodist church's position on abortion:
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Since those babies have a soul, do they go to heaven?
Do the woman that kill those babies go to hell?
LOL.
The creep with no moral integrity has a lot of nerve.
That's not to be laughed at.
I'm sure Ch will want to answer KD soberly and compassionately.
Jane, you lost .
Simple question of faith, jane is lost.
Unable to answer, lookie lookie.
Why did you pack up and run?
Jane, to me the two questions I put on you should have been easy for you to answer.
Yet, your choice was to run, dodge and look for help .
Sad!
KD, I have exposed you and LyingLoretta and LyingCommonsense for the liars you are.
I am not running. Just waiting for Ch to have his chance to have his say.
I guess he's the one who's running away.
He said he found the Methodists' stance on abortion 'reasonable,' and I thought he might like to respond to being called a monster and a murderer by the likes of you and LyingLoretta and LyingCommonsense.
:-) smiley face
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