The N.Y. Times reported that sources have revealed that Michael Flynn's attorneys are no longer sharing certain information with "Trump attorneys". The headline screams that Flynn is moving to cooperate.
I garnered the opinion of someone familiar with these sort of cooperating or shared defense situations and it was suggested this typically will happen when an investigation moves into areas where one or some of the clients are no longet involved. It could involve one person turning on the other, but it is not as common as the other reason.
The N.Y. Times article acknowledged this possibility when they suggested that Flynn could be negotiating a plea. Since the potential charges would involve actions that took place prior to Flynn's involvement with the Trump campaign they would not only have no reason to share, there would probably be privilege reasons not to.
Occam's razor. We already know that the rumored Flynn charges are unrelated to anything that involves Trump or collusion. Unless there are other potential charges that we do not know about, the privacy issues are best explained by what we do know.
Does this mean that Flynn couldn't potentially have information to provide? Of course not. But nearly every charge to every potential dependant comes with some attempt to come to a plea agreement. Very few actually are 'turning" on anyone.
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Go back to Watergate. This is following the Senate hearings, others who were involved, opened up. John Dean comes to mind. He was deeply involved at every level. Trump had kept in touch. He usually cut off all contact. But not with him.
I think that the noose around his neck is getting tighter.
and right on cue the alky ejaculates all over himself with glee.
So predictable
Alky, got a "London" terror attack update?
As usual rat hole resorts to his normal name calling.....just like stump broke....a pair of idiots. Flynn flipped??? If so, gonna be fun!!!!
Then there is this!
Days ahead of what should be a major moment for Ivanka Trump on the world stage, CNN has learned Secretary of State Rex Tillerson isn't sending a high-level delegation to support her amid reports of tensions between Tillerson and the White House.
Sending his daughter is just stupid. But CH will write 300 words to be fine with it. Lol
reports of tensions between Tillerson and the White House.
Ya think tillerson being called a maroon had anything to do with it??? Ya think Flake and Corker are definite yes votes on the tax bill??? Ya think the idiot in chief gives a shit for us peons?????? Great theatre so far, especially with our esteemed host drinking trump BS from a fire hose and loving it......
Is that actually all you have Jimmy? What a loser.
The London attack was a false alarm.
Again and yes I'm serious, that's all you have Jimmy.
If CH took your fat ass ass ass off the Legacy blog, I would get hundreds of hits or more a day. But his response to that is.............
Childish
Alky seeing white elephants in the form of attacking towel heads.
A little more of Thecoldheatrut.
Flynn's lawyer and a spokesman for Mueller declined to comment on Thursday.
Jay Sekulow, an attorney for Trump, said: "No one should draw the conclusion that this means anything about General Flynn cooperating against the president."
The Times reported that Flynn's lawyers had been sharing information with Trump's legal team about the Mueller investigation. Citing four unnamed people involved in the case, the newspaper reported the cooperation agreement had ended.
Due to rules that aim to prevent conflicts of interest when lawyers represent clients, the move by Flynn's lawyers to stop communicating with Trump's lawyers indicated Flynn was now cooperating with Mueller, the Times said, although adding that in itself was not proof.
But the development has led Trump's lawyers to believe that Flynn has begun discussions with Mueller about cooperating, according to the Times.
Flynn served 24 days as Trump's national security adviser but was fired after it was discovered he had misrepresented his contacts with a Russian diplomat to Vice President Mike Pence.
Mueller's inquiry is looking into Flynn's paid work as a lobbyist for a Turkish businessman in 2016, in addition to contacts between Russian officials and Flynn and other Trump associates during and after the Nov. 8 presidential election, Reuters reported in June.
A lawyer for Flynn's son, Michael Flynn Jr., who worked with his father and is also being investigated by Mueller, according to a person familiar with the matter, declined to comment.
The recovering alcoholic is laughing at the Jimmy rat. He doesn't have the ability to reply like our esteemed host does. We usually agree to disagree. But all Jimmy Fatass can do is c/p alky alky blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .
Of course "Towel Heads " isn't racist in his hate filled cubicle.
Please name 3 good things that Trump has accomplished.
He beat Hillary
HE did spending 1/3 of the money, staff and free media, he timed and targeted his ad spending masterfully.
HE appointed a True Constitutional USSC Justice.
I have dozens more, want them?
"I never read KD's posts" false alarm alky
During was we soldiers have ALWAYS DEGRADED OUR ENEMIES BY LABELING THEM.
Was = war.
Grow up drunkard.
Washington Post
The Plum Line Opinion
Michael Flynn is the key to the Russia scandal — and he may have just flipped on Trump
By Paul Waldmn November 24
Flynn’s lawyer ends communications with Trump’s team
A lawyer for Michael Flynn has ended communications with President Trump’s legal team, a sign that Flynn may be preparing to cooperate in the Russia probe.
Michael Flynn, who served as President Trump’s national security adviser for just 24 days before being cut loose, may be the KEY FIGURE to unraveling the entire Russia scandal. If that’s true, THE PRESIDENT JUST GOT SOME VERY, VERY BAD NEWS in the form of a New York Times report:
Lawyers for Michael T. Flynn, President Trump’s former national security adviser, notified the president’s legal team in recent days that they could no longer discuss the special counsel’s investigation, according to four people involved in the case — an indication that Mr. Flynn is cooperating with prosecutors or negotiating a deal.
Mr. Flynn’s lawyers had been sharing information with Mr. Trump’s lawyers about the investigation by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, who is examining whether anyone around Mr. Trump was involved in Russian efforts to undermine Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.
That agreement has been terminated, the four people said.
Defense lawyers frequently share information during investigations, but they must stop when doing so would pose a conflict of interest. It is unethical for lawyers to work together when one client is cooperating with prosecutors and another is still under investigation.
We should be clear that this news is not definitive proof that Flynn is cooperating with Mueller. It may mean only that he is in the process of negotiating a deal to avoid prosecution, and that deal might or might not involve giving information on other figures in the investigation.
But if Flynn is indeed cooperating, Trump is in BIG TROULE.
That’s because if Flynn is cooperating, it can only be because he has information to offer Mueller ON SOMEONE MORE IMPORTANT THAN HIMSELF. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. And who is more important than Flynn? Only a very small number of people. Among those implicated in this whole affair, that group may consist of JARED KUSHER and TRUMP, and that’s about it.
Wow, who triggered Roger?
Damn emotional drunkard.
LOL Roger didn't post 6:04.
I did. The damn emotional "pedo."J
WASHINGTON POST
Michael Flynn is the key to the Russia scandal — and he may have just flipped on Trump
But I didn't post the entire story. It gets better.
Spam by the pedo.
"usually agree to disagree"
No, he blocked you.
The article at 6:04 continues:
Which means we may be getting closer to answering a question I’ve been asking for a long time: Why was President Trump so intensely focused on protecting Michael Flynn?
You’ll recall that Flynn was supposedly fired because he lied to Vice President Mike Pence about his contacts with Russian officials during the campaign and the transition, claiming he had only exchanged pleasantries with them when in fact they had discussed substantive policy matters, something Pence then repeated to the media. This was always an odd explanation for the firing. Even more odd was the fact that immediately, Trump began telling anyone who would listen what a great guy Michael Flynn is and how unfair the whole mess was to him.
Given that Trump is not known for being loyal to those who work for him, that was rather curious. Donald Trump looks out for Donald Trump, and if you become a liability to him, he’ll very quickly start acting as though he barely knew you. Now consider what Trump proceeded to do with regard to Flynn:
The day after Flynn resigned, Trump asked then-FBI Director James Comey to stop investigating the former national security adviser. “I hope you can let this go,” Comey reported Trump saying in a memo he wrote immediately after their meeting.
Trump asked Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats to intervene with Comey to get him to back off his investigation of Flynn.
Unlike with previous aides who have displeased him, after he fired Flynn, Trump made a very public show of praising him to the media.
Months after Flynn was fired and as the investigation was accelerating, Trump kept in contact with Flynn. “I just got a message from the president to stay strong,” Flynn told friends at a dinner in April.
In May, Trump scolded his staff for criticizing Flynn to the media and had his spokesmen issued statements lavishly praising Flynn.
It’s almost as though Trump wanted to make sure Flynn didn’t turn on him.
But if Flynn is turning on Trump, it’s because he is in a whole lot of legal trouble, probably more than anyone involved in this scandal with the exception of former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort. Let’s remember that shortly after the Trump administration began, acting attorney general Sally Yates went to the White House and informed officials that Flynn had lied to the FBI about his contacts with Russian officials (which they knew because they were monitoring the Russian ambassador’s communications) and that because of those lies, he was susceptible to blackmail. For some reason, Flynn spent 18 more days in the White House before being fired.
By taking a large fee from Russia for giving a speech in late 2015, Flynn appears to have violated a law that requires retired generals getting such payments to receive prior approval. He also was hiding the fact that he was paid more than half a million dollars by allies of the Turkish government to promote Turkey’s interests while advising the Trump campaign (he later registered retroactively as an agent of a foreign government; failing to register is a felony). He failed to include payments from Russia on his financial disclosure forms and may have lied about it to investigators. During the transition, he managed to delay a military operation against the Islamic State that Turkey objected to while he was secretly receiving those Turkish payments, a story that has gotten strangely little attention. He was even reportedly involved in planning for a bizarre plot to kidnap the exiled Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen in Pennsylvania and return him to Turkey, for which Flynn and his son were allegedly to be paid $15 million.
In short, Flynn appears to have violated multiple laws in multiple ways and could be looking at the possibility of serious time behind bars. He may have information Mueller could use in a case against Kushner, Trump or others, relating to multiple strands of the investigation. He may know things about the campaign’s relationship with the Russian government or about an obstruction of justice case related to Comey’s firing. Don’t forget that Trump admitted on national television that he fired Comey to shut down the Russia investigation, then shortly thereafter told the Russian foreign minister and ambassador that with his firing of Comey, “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
Here’s what we should watch for now:
If the White House suddenly changes how it talks about Flynn, disparaging him instead of saying what an admirable fellow he is, that’ll be a good indication of a change in Trump’s feelings. And it looks as though he has a lot to be nervous about.
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Paul Waldman is a contributor to The Washington Post’s Plum Line blog, and a senior writer at The American Prospect.
Spam by the pedo.
Alky posted something close to this
"Shit, London under attack by Terrorist,Shit"
Only one problem, no such attack took place.
Alky vision turning white Elephants into Terrorist.
Alky posted something close to this
"Shit, London under attack by Terrorist,Shit"
Only one problem, no such attack took place.
Alky vision turning white Elephants into Terrorist.
He's nuts.
"If CH took your fat ass ass ass off the Legacy blog, I would get hundreds of hits"
Instead of whining, start YOUR own blog drunkard.
Over the last few years HB and his wife have burned the US current worker for over $1,000,000.00 in taxes to pay for their "healthy life style".
Let's see what they have.
Please name the good things that Trumpism infested truthers have accomplished in response to the facts.
1: Drunkard.
2: Alky × 60
3: He's nuts.
4: He has supported Islamic Terrorists.
The Trump campaign promises has he not accomplished.
1: Repeal and replace Obama care
2: Build the wall. Mexico will pay for it.
3: Pass tax reform that will be fair for the middle class.
4: Rebuild the infrastructure.
5: Rebuild our respect around the world.
This is too easy.
When will you be starting your own blog, drunkard...
Roger, I gave you three, you had an agenda, so shallow.
Now that is unfair, he has not the mind for it.
1 Trump Beat Hillary.
As of today I have five years and five months. Christmas comes for me once a month! Twit
That was before he was sworn in..
You obviously a k'putz who has relationship with a cow
Here's a few
Got the economy going again- over 3% last two quarters
Rebuilding respect for US around the world
Defeating Isis
Reducing regulatory red tape
Gorsuch onto scotus
Cleared the way for the pipeline
LOL at you ballz....
Another lie from the child in chief....
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Trump claims he took himself out of the running for Time’s 2017 ‘Person of the Year’
The magazine disputed the president’s claim that someone had contacted him.
Anyone other than me notice there were 52 new record highs set yesterday ? I recall someone posting about a cold snap last week. I wonder who that was????
KD the goat fucker posted...
Only one problem, no such attack took place.
One problem asshole....I saw the same headline on cnn.....it took a couple of hours to retract.....what's your point? You report BS constantly, I will surely remind you of that next headline you proudly claim....LOL at you again...
Family fighting desperately to save quintuplets after tragic loss
Chad and Amy Kempel want to see a doctor in Arizona they believe will give them the best shot at healthy babies, but Kaiser has denied their request.
When the Kempels learned Amy was carrying quintuplets, their Kaiser doctors advised them to selectively reduce [abort], which involves eliminating some of the fetuses to increase the odds of delivering one or two healthy babies.
Welcome to Roger's socialist paradise.
1: He inherited a growing economy. It had been growing for the longest sustainedrecovery in history. To his credit, he hasn't done anything wrong to disrupt the growth. But they haven't yet passed anything that has affected job growth,in one way or another.
2: Rebuild our respect around the world? The truth is that he accomplished nothing more than a few photo ops.
4: Inherited a successful military strategic plan, and with few modified has been successful.
4: Regulatory red tape. So so. But there is a big negative on Trump is the elimination of the open internet order. If imlimented free access to the internet will be eliminated. An example is Netflix and Amazon prime access will become either eliminated or highly expensive. I'm surprised that the Republicans haven't been critical of the proposed changes. The reason for the change in the free internet access regulations is that it was implemented by the Obama administration. Trump has an obsession with the elimination of the entire Obama administration agenda.
5: Gorsuch, we shall see.
6: The pipeline just had a major leak is South Dakota. A friend owns land immediately close to the leak. It's very disruptive and given the history of such pipelines there will be many more.
Today is a great day, Ironbowl, Clemson v the chickens and to start Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate and some game in Michigan or Ohio
HB and oDopie bought the "CNN" Exclusive breaking news story of a Terrorist Attack on London.
Should be two really good real football games, nasty too.
KD said...
HB and oDopie bought the "CNN"
Hey asshole.....I said I saw it which again shows you to be a pathological liar....Go screw your demented wife.....
The memo's to retarded jv team radical dems reads like this.
Since the economy is on fire, the match was lite by prez jv.
Since ISIS is being defeated prez jv put the strategy in place to win.
Ok, let the lost years true belivers , believe it.
History records the truth.
Mental midget HB, why has the US economy caught fire now, when it didn't during the lost years?
This is a distraction. There are some very hard questions in that situation and the doctors gave the best solution to a very VERY difficult problem. Socialism is an economic system, it is not a medical philosophy.
The situation I found myself in during the last few years, doctors had a major decision in my case. I understand that they put me on the short list. was the fact that I had done everything they they asked me for and yes my sobriety.
You calm that socialism? What part of your mind that came out of?
Welcome to Roger's socialist paradise.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! And your side wants to get rid of obama care health insurance......imagine what the total will be?
My comments on the first incident London were on other sources. The fact that I reported it as it happened is for some ridiculous reason you believe that I'm mentally ill. It was breaking news you dumb fucks.
1: He inherited a growing economy. It had been growing for the longest sustainedrecovery in history.
This is a total lie. Obama was in charge of the slowest economic recovery in postwar history that rivaled the crippling stagflation of the Jimmy Carter years.
It was only after Trump was elected did we start to see 3% growth.
Growth that Obama's own economic advisors said was no longer possible and that we had to "get use to the new reality".
hey alky -
deroy murdock just penned a column that lays it out in a way that even you can understand:
This Thanksgiving, Thank Donald J. Trump
• The Dow Jones Industrial Average, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 all hit record highs on Tuesday. The Wilshire 5000 Index calculates that some $3.4 trillion in new wealth has been created since President Trump’s inauguration and $5.4 trillion since his election. Fueled by the reality of deregulation, expectations of lower taxes, and a new tone in Washington that applauds free enterprise rather than excoriate it, the economy is on fire.
• Atop the second quarter’s 3.1 percent increase in real GDP, and 3.0 in 3Q, the New York Federal Reserve Bank predicts that 4Q output will expand by 3.8 percent. This far outpaces the feeble average-annual GDP growth rate of 1.5 percent on President Obama’s watch. Meanwhile, the IMF expects global GDP to rise by 3.5 percent this year. So much for a Trump-inspired “global recession.”
• Unemployment is at 4.1 percent, a 17-year low. New unemployment claims in September were at their most modest since 1974. Goldman Sachs on November 20 “lowered our unemployment rate forecast to 3.7 percent by end-2018 and 3.5 percent by end-2019.” According to the Wall Street powerhouse’s chief economist Jan Hatzius, “Such a scenario would take the U.S. labor market into territory almost never seen outside of a major wartime mobilization.”
• American companies have been expanding operations here rather than shipping jobs overseas. Corning, for instance, announced a $500 million investment in new U.S. production, launching 1,000 positions.
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454028/donald-trump-accomplishments-thanksgiving
oh, and for an encore trump is well on his way to achieving THIS:
Trump's judicial picks: 'The goal is to end the progressive state'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/22/federal-court-judicial-nominations-donald-trump?CMP=share_btn_tw
end the progressive state. has a nice ring to it.
so there you have it alky. go buy yourself a new tube of butthurt salve.
Let's talk about the question I asked. Myballs answered my question. I responded with this.
1: He inherited a growing economy. It had been growing for the longest sustainedrecovery in history. To his credit, he hasn't done anything wrong to disrupt the growth. But they haven't yet passed anything that has affected job growth,in one way or another.
2: Rebuild our respect around the world? The truth is that he accomplished nothing more than a few photo ops.
4: Inherited a successful military strategic plan, and with few modified has been successful.
4: Regulatory red tape. So so. But there is a big negative on Trump is the elimination of the open internet order. If imlimented free access to the internet will be eliminated. An example is Netflix and Amazon prime access will become either eliminated or highly expensive. I'm surprised that the Republicans haven't been critical of the proposed changes. The reason for the change in the free internet access regulations is that it was implemented by the Obama administration. Trump has an obsession with the elimination of the entire Obama administration agenda.
5: Gorsuch, we shall see.
6: The pipeline just had a major leak is South Dakota. A friend owns land immediately close to the leak. It's very disruptive and given the history of such pipelines there will be many more.
Then the fake farmer replied to my comments with this precious comments.
The memo's to retarded jv team radical dems reads like this.
Since the economy is on fire, the match was lite by prez jv.
Since ISIS is being defeated prez jv put the strategy in place to win.
Ok, let the lost years true belivers , believe it.
History records the truth.
Mental midget HB, why has the US economy caught fire now, when it didn't during the lost years?
I report and you decide which one is crazy.
You'd better be worried about what you don't see.
Like greenlighting major infrastructure projects, appointing lifetime conservative judges...
Two right wing ideological sources.
I wrote my own comments. Mr Cut And Paste the usual. But your English language ability is at grade school level.
I came out grade school with a college level ability in English.
You are.
You report, lol.
You parrot.
"greenlighting major infrastructure projects"
Data from a non partisan sours.
I wrote my own personal opinions. Your buddy rrb did the C/P our esteemed host discourages.
Next Twit.
Oh yes
No
One
Cares alky alky blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
I wrote my own comments.
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well good for you, mr. once in a row.
you're a big boy now!
conversing with you on this blog takes me back to when i potty trained my son. he would be so proud when cranked out some 0linsky dolls all by himself.
and he knew he'd done good when he'd hear - "you're a big boy now!"
It was only after Trump was elected did we start to see 3% growth.
I guess menstral missed the 8 quarters that GDP grew at 3% under obama.....and having trump claim that he presided over 3% annual growth is rather premature, doncha think?
"I wrote my own personal opinions. Your buddy rrb did the C/P our esteemed host discourages."
Big deal.
Start your own blog.
Alky Vision, where white Elephants turn into towel head terrorist
I came out grade school with a college level ability in English.
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suuuuuuuuuuure you did, alky.
you're a legend in your own mind.
and let me guess, you're delivering the keynote address at your annual 'drunks r us' winter festival celebration this year.
bring your laptop. then you can show all your loser comrades how the hospice blog works and how to get there so they can comment.
Big deal.
Start your own blog.
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indeed.
i think 'bingowings.com' is available.
"think 'bingowings.com' is available."
HA!
"In every major economic Catagory blacks have lost ground during the last ten years" PBS's Travis Smiley. A huge prez jv supporter
I guess menstral missed the 8 quarters that GDP grew at 3% under obama.
Yeah, because it never happened.
The economy grew at just a 1.5 percent pace during President Barack Obama's two terms that began in 2009 as the Great Recession was ending. His second term in office saw GDP average 2.1 percent a year, but overall Obama presided over the worst recovery since the Great Depression.
and having trump claim that he presided over 3% annual growth is rather premature, doncha think?
True, it might be as much as 4% when all is said and done.
I came out grade school with a college level ability in English.
Given the state of "college level English" nowadays, this is probably true.
Yeah, because it never happened.
Really asshole?????
Under Obama, the economy hit or surpassed 3 percent growth during several quarters, but never achieved a full calendar year with annual gross domestic product (GDP) growth of 3 percent or higher. Trump failed to mention that Obama surpassed 3 percent growth during 8 separate quarters while in office — reaching as high at 5.2 percent during the third quarter of 2014, according to The Hill.
Thanx for playing into my hand again....LOLOLOL
https://theguardiansofdemocracy.com/trumps-falsely-claims-obama-gdp-never-hit-3-percent-growth-8-separate-quarters/
rue, it might be as much as 4% when all is said and done.
And it might be under 3% also....LOL
Under Obama, the economy hit or surpassed 3 percent growth during several quarters, but never achieved a full calendar year with annual gross domestic product (GDP) growth of 3 percent or higher.
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to repeat, for the d0pe who posted it -
"but never achieved a full calendar year with annual gross domestic product (GDP) growth of 3 percent or higher."
it's ANNUAL GDP growth that matters, d0pie.
One of the biggest criticisms of Obama's economy is that growth has been sluggish. Historically, the U.S. economy has expanded 3% or more a year, on average.
The Great Recession was a meat-cleaver on the economy. Since then, the U.S. has struggled to grow at much more than 2% a year under President Obama.
http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2017/01/06/obama-economy-10-charts-final/3.html
8 years. 8 quarter of 3 %.
The lost years.
in other news, it's nice to see shaniqua 0linsky (or whatever her name is) bringing the ol' choom gang back to harvard.
Rat the hole once again needs to learn how to read!!!!
to repeat, for the d0pe who posted it -
I posted obama had 8 quarters at 3% GDP growth....no where did I allude or claim that he had a full year....DAYUM, you are dumber than the goat fucker....thanx for playing...>LOLOL
If it did not lead to sustained growth over consecutive quarters it's about a relevant as posting your dirty underwear.
You lose Dennis.
If you take out the first six months of the Obama administration, as we emerged from the Great Recession, the Obama recovery and historical sustained economic growth approaches 3%. I will look it up and yes you will cry like babies.
By the way Menstra, my skills in English are better than yours
8 random quarters.
well isn't that special?
it's too bad skeets couldn't manage to string them together into something meaningful like 2 years of actual GDP growth.
d0pie, when you comment it's like a caged monkey at the zoo randomly throwing his own shit at people.
you rarely connect, and when you do it's still... shit.
By the way Menstra, my skills in English are better than yours
Plagiarizing other people's work makes you look far better than you really are.
go for it, alky.
at this point it's completely meaningless, but if that's what it takes to amuse you then i say have at it.
no sane, rational person who lived through the 8 years of 0linsky can honestly comment on a positive growth economy under his regime.
i mean, an entire "new normal" meme sprang up essentially telling us that the economy is shit, and it's going to stay shit far into the future, and that we as american's had better learn to like our 'new normal' SHIT ECONOMY. why, it was even compared to jimmy carter's malaise speech.
so flail away with your kevin drum links from mommy jones, paul krugman, and your links from jared bernstein's 'think tank' - the center for a marxist economy.
and feel free to fling shit like d0pie in the process.
By the way Menstra, my skills in English are better than yours
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and there's your "dunning-kreuger alky-ism" of the day, folks.
captain bingo wings with the second hand liver acting as den mother and town crier of his local 'drunks r us' chapter has declared his epic superiority once again.
https://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600239/what-kind-of-jobs-president-has-obama-been-in-8-charts. More proof that Republicans are increasingly stupid. At least here.
https://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600239/what-kind-of-jobs-president-has-obama-been-in-8-charts. More proof that Republicans are increasingly stupid. At least here.
as expected. a cute little fact free piece scrawled by one of lil ezzie's juicebox mafia minions.
bookmarked for future amusement.
thanks alky!
For some perspective, here's how big that job growth was: Obama averaged 109,000 jobs per month. That's far better than either President Bush experienced, but it's well below the 242,000 that Bill Clinton presided over in the roaring 1990s. For Reagan,
Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis
Of course, President Obama came into office as the economy was plunging into a recession (a plunge that also drags down George W. Bush's number). But even if you average out Obama's 75 straight months of job growth, you get 199,000 jobs per month, still shy of Clinton's economy.
In other words, the Obama recovery has been moderate, but remarkably steady. The question is how long that steady climb can continue uninterrupted. The unemployment rate is already near a nine-year low, as Steven Russolillo at the Wall Street Journal pointed out this week, and there is some question among economists how low it can go.
Wages finally climbing
Having a job is one thing. Having a job that pays well is another. And slowly through Obama's tenure, those wages have inched upward. In fact, wages were one bright spot of Friday's jobs report. Average hourly wages were up by 2.9 percent in December. After several years of hovering around 2 percent, that's welcome growth.
Aside from meaning more money in workers' pockets, wage growth serves as yet another sign of a tightening labor market, signaling that employers are willing to pay more to attract workers.
This was published at the end of the last real President's term. President Bannon, oh yes President Tweeter aka Trump.
Read the graphics and oh yeah. get CH to read them! He can understand them.
economic growth?
who needs that?
lil georgie moonbat says we need to strangle our economy to save gaia:
"We need a different system, rooted not in economic abstractions but in physical realities, that establish the parameters by which we judge its health. We need to build a world in which growth is unnecessary, a world of private sufficiency and public luxury. And we must do it before catastrophe forces our hand."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/22/black-friday-consumption-killing-planet-growth
Thanks for proving my point. You're ignorant and yes you don't know how to learn anything outside of your hate filled cubicle! 💖
News Corp bwaha 👀
hey alky -
copying and pasting segments of the article you've previously linked doesn't make you look smarter.
it makes you look like this blog really is the sum total of your pathetic shitpile of a life.
me? i'm off to buy some of my favorite craft beers for a day of college football.
have fun, alky.
oh, and from the photo's you posted your house looks like a real fucking shithole. perhaps you could put down the tablet and pick up a broom. or a leaf blower.
Obama was great at increasing government jobs and part-time jobs.
and bowing to foreign leaders
and apologizing
and playing March madness pools
and holding beer summits
and drawing red lines
and using his pen
etc. etc.
Thanks for the commitment on the $600,000 house.
LOL.
news corp does not own the guardian, alky.
you fucking imbecile.
Thanks for the commitment on the $600,000 house.
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commitment, alky?
LOL.
It's all he's got as the beer soaks into Trumpism stage four mentality.
oh, and from the photo's you posted your house looks like a real fucking shithole. perhaps you could put down the tablet and pick up a broom. or a leaf blower.
Nope. The mortgage is on far less than the total value.
My lovely wife is not stupid like you.
"oh, and from the photo's you posted your house looks like a real fucking shithole. perhaps you could put down the tablet and pick up a broom. or a leaf blower."
I was thinking the 80's called asking for their decor back, lol.
The primary colors are avacado green and harvest gold.
Mentstral the non-christian posted
You lose Dennis.
In what way....that my claim was incorrect or that you are an asshole.?????? Again, thanx for playing with yourself.....LOLAs roger posted....take out the busch factor in the first year and Obama comes very close to 3% over his term and if you cherry pick like you always do, you get this.....asshole
Going by quarters, growth within a year was higher than 3 percent during two periods during Obama’s presidency, Blinder said. Between the third quarters of 2009 and 2010, GDP growth was 3.4 percent. From the first quarters of 2014 and of 2015, it was 3.3 percent.
LOL at you again, scotty, you will never learn
The Hill
Anger at Mueller Burns Hot on the Right
Anger at Robert Mueller is burning white-hot on the right and in conservative media, where calls for the special counsel to recuse himself from the investigation into Russian election meddling have reached a fever pitch.
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This article really raises some powerful points against Mueller. And yet it ends:
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Republican leaders in Congress have also defended Mueller's integrity.
"Remember, Bob Mueller is a Republican who was appointed by a Republican, who served in the Republican administration ... and stayed on until his term ended," Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Ohio) said earlier this year. "I don't think many people are saying Bob Mueller is a person who is a biased partisan."
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has said there is no need to pass legislation protecting Mueller from being fired because there is no indication that Trump intends to do so.
"I think the view up here is, let him do his job," McConnell said.
Spam by the pedo
The problem with liberalism: It has no limiting principles.
At its core, liberalism is an incoherent, value-free ad hoc ideology that doesn't promulgate any enduring ideas that stand the test of time. It has no underlying moral foundation to support its ideas other than pilfering those rooted in Judeo-Christian ethics and is parasitical of its foundations and morality. Liberalism is relativistic in that it is constantly contradicting itself based on phony compassion, its pretense of virtue, and its constant search for identity.
Everything liberals and liberalism stands for masks its real objective of seeking and maintaining political power. It is a con and a deception, where millions have fallen for its contrived and manufactured objectives based on accepting it at face value.
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describes the "pastor" perfectly
and his constant spamming
"Blessed are you when people hate you and revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
[Describes what happens here perfectly.]
"describes the "pastor" perfectly"
Aho.
NOT false.
James Boswell said...
"Oh, and I do indeed think teenage girls, post pubescent ones that is, can be sexy. I have always thought so."
https://coldheartedtruthblog.blogspot.com/2017/10/trump-phone-call-to-widow-recorded.html?showComment=1508608752714&m=1#c1852015223026817867
Trump is trying to install a director of the CFPB who hopes to destroy it, and their press statement about it is some pap about giving consumers more choices.
Does Trump even know what the CFPB is, what it does? Apparently not. It's not required in his administration to know anything about a bureau before trying to hamstring it.
LOL Yep. I have always thought postpubescent females of later teen years are VERY attractive. Most men do.
But most men are not pedophiles. Nor am I.
:-)
Thanks for so sweetly giving me a chance to clarify. :-)
"Oh, and I do indeed think teenage girls, post pubescent ones that is, can be sexy. I have always thought so."
Post pubescent teenagers.
"pubescent-aged individuals, generally aged 11–14"
Sicko.
Let's look at what the "pastor" posted:
"Blessed are you when people hate you and revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely" - here it is not false nor evil
"on my account" - again not so.
"Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets who were before you." - since the preceding is not what's happening this obviously doesn't apply to you, though in your sick mind you appear to think so.
No need to thank me "pastor", but there is a lot of scripture directed at you and it is not pleasant for you. Sorry.
Mulvaney wants destroy the cfpb? How so? By making it just a little accountable?
Cordray just tried to pull a fast one.
In fact the "pastor" is worshipping the Democratic party and his idols are the like of Obama, the Clintons, and the other party leaders.
And he disrespects all here.
and boy does he like to hide his unsavory actions behind a religious cloak, disrespecting all Christians.
"No need to thank me "pastor", but there is a lot of scripture directed at you and it is not pleasant for you. Sorry."
"and boy does he like to hide his unsavory actions behind a religious cloak, disrespecting all Christians."
Exactly.
Looming Deadlines, Unfinished Business Awaits Congress
“The crush of unfinished business facing lawmakers when they return to the Capitol would be daunting even if Washington were functioning at peak efficiency,” the AP reports.
“It’s an agenda whose core items — tax cuts, a potential government shutdown, lots of leftover spending bills — could unravel just as easily as advance amid factionalism, gamesmanship, and a toxic political environment.”
“There’s only a four-week window until a Christmas deadline, barely enough time for complicated negotiations even if December stays on the rails. And that’s hardly a sure bet in President Trump’s capital.”
Continuing to ignore board protocol and keeps posting spam
What a "pastor"
Of course he is following his false idols.
And misleadingly quoting the Bible
Does Trump even know what the CFPB is, what it does?
Sure, it's the agency that helps big banks put the screws to little banks to drive them out of the market.
Alky does not own a home.
CA open records shows that dump is I. Her name only.
Shack with out dated features.
Alky, I see you posted about the "IF" economy you wished prez jv "should " have had.
So, when do you get to posting the cooked ,selective and cherry picked numbers. I can wait.
Your task is to deliver what you said you could, plus 3% Obamanomics, exclude all the quarters you need to, to make your point. I can wait.
Don't forget the 12 Trillion in added National Debt.
9:32 Alk . 25 Nov. 2017.
Well HB,, did you get your numbers together?
In fact the "pastor" is worshipping the Democratic party and his idols are the like of Obama, the Clintons, and the other party leaders.
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I literally laughed when I read that.
But I do feel pretty sure American history will be kinder to them than to Trump and the devolving Republicans.
*"are the likes of" is better English. :-)
the devil laughs
and avoids the truth
Oh, and so does the "pastor"
The devolving Republicans, LOL
Absolutely, and way above the "pastor's" mind
Spam by the pedo
He said he wanted to see the United States become “an actually fair, meritocratic society.” Absent that, he would settle for a white ethno-state “where things are fair, because there’s no competing demographics for government power or for resources.”
His fascist ideal, he said, would resemble the early days in the United States, when power was reserved for landowners “and, you know, normies didn’t really have a whole hell of a lot to say.”
He declared the widely accepted estimate that six million Jews died in the Holocaust “overblown.” He said that while the Nazi leader Heinrich Himmler wanted to exterminate groups like Slavs and homosexuals, Hitler “was a lot more kind of chill on those subjects.”
“I think he was a guy who really believed in his cause,” he said of Hitler. “He really believed he was fighting for his people and doing what he thought was right.”
---Tony Hovater, American fascist who also admires Trump
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Not my kind of "Christian."
Sounds like fake news from NYT, but definitely more spam and trolling from the "pastor".
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Not my kind of "Christian".
History? Who cares?
We live in the here and now, and we live tangible lives where how the economy does, how wages grow, how our investments grow is infinitely more important to me...
Than how some future historian judges anything.
I will take my raise, my job security, my equity, my investment growth.
You can have some future person's opinion... if that makes you happy
9:32 am alky was going to prove prez jv had near 3 % GDP for his two terms.
Still waiting on HB.
Tic freak'n tock.
i wonder if this will trigger a 5:00 AM Tweet?
Donald Trump is reportedly not happy with his daughter Ivanka’s condemnation of embattled GOP senate candidate Roy Moore.
Moore, who is accused of sexual misconduct by five women, one of whom claimed she met Moore when she was just 14 years old, was slammed by the first daughter but has received support from the president.
Ivanka told the Associated Press of Moore: “There’s a special place in hell for people who prey on children. I’ve yet to see a valid explanation and I have no reason to doubt the victims’ accounts.” He's got a place in Coldheartedtrth Heaven.
Alky,where is your deep economic analysis of the lost years to show prez jv actually had a near 3 % gdp?
We gave you free hand to cherry pick all you want.
Michael Flynn's legal team won't be sharing information about Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation with President Trump's lawyers anymore, a possible indication Flynn may be trying to cut a deal.
The New York Times:
The notification alone does not prove that Mr. Flynn is cooperating with Mr. Mueller. Some lawyers withdraw from information-sharing arrangements as soon as they begin negotiating with prosecutors. And such negotiations sometimes fall apart.
Still, the notification led Mr. Trump’s lawyers to believe that Mr. Flynn — who, along with his son, is seen as having significant criminal exposure — has, at the least, begun discussions with Mr. Mueller about cooperating.
ABC News:
Sources familiar with the discussions between Flynn's legal team and the president's attorneys tell ABC News there was never a formal, signed joint defense agreement between Flynn's defense counsel and other targets of the Mueller probe.
However, the teams have at times engaged in privileged discussions.
Former national security advisor Michael Flynn reportedly told friends he and President Trump stayed in touch for months after Flynn was forced to resign in February after just 24 days on the job. In April, Flynn said the president told him to "stay strong."
The evidence is that almost every day the investigation seems to be, using my favorite visual arts look, that the noose around the neck of The President is getting tighter every single day.
Sure, it's the agency that helps big banks put the screws to little banks to drive them out of the market.
Apparently Trump's supporters don't know what the CFPB is either. In this case it's crystal clear that Trump's ignorance about the CFPB is irrelevant to his own voters.
Blogger C.H. Truth said...
History? Who cares?
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the 0linsky-ites care. and they care a whole lot.
by every objective measure the 8 years of the 0linsky regime was an abject failure. jimmy carter 2.0. and what wasn't a failure was blatantly corrupt. no honest historian will be able to judge that presidency as anything other than the failure that it was.
other than the fact that he was the first half-rican american president with all the historical significance THAT brings, the guy was a fucking zero.
Trump's ignorance on every single issue, does not concern his supporters. We see evidence of how effective the Fake News bullshit has convinced his base supporters that he's competent.
Yeah, real results kind of have that effect.
Blogger Commonsense said...
Yeah, real results kind of have that effect.
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indeed they do.
as is reflected in the stunning and spectacular performance of my retirement accounts.
We see evidence of how effective the Fake News bullshit has convinced his base supporters that he's competent.
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yeah, i hear ya alky. i didn't think that whole 'april ryan bullshit pecan pie issue' was worth the trouble either.
you liberals focus on the most insignificant things.
I'll grant that Trump won the election, and that he got an appointment through to the Supreme Court. One was a gift from the Democrats, the other a gift from the Republican Congress, but I'll grant those as accomplishments.
There is nothing else, no other Trump accomplishment that can't be attributed to just sitting in the chair. Even where he's tried to implement his half-witted campaign promises, he's mostly failed. I'm not complaining - that's a good thing, that Trump is an albatross hanging off the GOP's neck, and I don't expect that to change for three years. At least, we're starting to get some comedy back, given the recent stupidity and his die-hard supporters scrambling to find hilarious excuses.
Apparently Trump's supporters don't know what the CFPB is either.
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actually we do, wp. it is the spawn of dodd-fwank, it was brought into existence under fauxcahontas warren, and it's data collect techniques rival the NSA. it's publicly stated mission is relatively honorable, but it's actual existence and structure is chilling. at the end of the day, it was devised by those who seethe with envy and anger at the free market capitalist system.
it was designed to fuck with and destroy people and institutions liberals would choose to target. and since there's no oversight, if you land in their kill zone you're dead, with no legal protection available to you.
those who support the CFPB are either ignorant to what it is and how it operates, or approve of it's gestapo-like financial methods and procedures.
There is nothing else, no other Trump accomplishment that can't be attributed to just sitting in the chair.
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his most significant accomplishment can be attributed to just sitting in the chair -
it's not hillary sitting in the chair.
while subjective, no one will ever be able to overstate the magnitude of dodging THAT bullet.
and that describes me and virtually every person i know who pulled the lever for trump, wp. ours were not pro trump votes. they were anti hillary votes. and there is a distinct difference.
We see evidence of how effective the Fake News bullshit has convinced his base supporters that he's competent.
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really rog?
you mean like the WaPo's 'democracy drowns in bullshit' fake news?
Washington Post reporter Janell Ross gave a presentation at a secretive California gathering where Democratic politicians, liberal activists, and their biggest donors plotted the future of the progressive movement without notifying her superiors that she would be attending, according to a Post spokesman.
The Democracy Alliance went to great lengths to keep the identities of its members and guests confidential at its fall investment conference last week at the La Costa Resort, but the Washington Free Beacon obtained a detailed conference agenda that lists both events and featured guests.
Among them was Ross, a national reporter who closely covered the 2016 presidential campaign for the Washington Post and has since continued to cover the Trump administration.
Ross sat on a panel to assist conference-goers on the topic of "getting the economic narrative right" in future elections, according to the agenda, which can be viewed in full here.
Ross, whose panel was sandwiched by a talk with liberal billionaire George Soros and a message by Democratic senator Amy Klobuchar (Minn.) on Russian interference in the 2016 election, helped attendees explore questions such as: "What do progressives stand for?"
"In this panel discussion, developed by the DA's Inclusive Economy Fund, we pose some fundamental questions, including: What do progressives stand for? How do we grapple with the tough issues? What story are we trying to tell and how does it play out in communities across the country? How do we translate what the polls and research tell us into the compelling narratives that will build the public will to reorient our economy and combat inequality?"
The panel was framed in the agenda as a response to the 2016 election, in which Democrats were criticized for failing to understand the economic concerns in areas of the country carried by President Trump.
"Progressives were knocked flat in 2016, but in our scramble to understand and react to what happened, we run the risk of forcing ourselves into false divides," the agenda writes. "We risk losing focus on the deep systemic flaws in our economic and social frameworks that leave vast numbers of Americans vulnerable and insecure."
http://freebeacon.com/politics/washington-post-reporter-gave-presentation-to-secret-liberal-donor-meeting-without-notifying-superiors/
when your beloved msm feels the need to confidentially conspire and support liberals and their causes, then yes, it's fake news all the way down.
The evidence is that almost every day the investigation seems to be, using my favorite visual arts look, that the noose around the neck of The President is getting tighter every single day.
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or, from an objective viewpoint, you can conclude that mueller is flailing at this point, has wildly overstepped the bounds of his original mission, and is reaching a level of desperation to charge trump with something, anything... anything at all.
but hey, you bitterly cling to that TDS, alky.
whatever floats your boat, as they say.
I have to take online refreshers on the CFPB and other regulations, every few months so I strongly dispute that notion that anyone who is supportive of it is "ignorant". Maybe the executives higher-up begrudge the productive time spent, maybe not, none of them have ever mentioned it. It's just 10 or 15 minutes, maybe an hour for employees who have to study it, and everything that *I* have to be concerned about are actions that I'd never do anyway.
If you wish you could scam people into buying financial services they don't want, or which aren't what they believe them to be, or steal their private data and sell it, then sure you're going to chafe under the restrictions.
The biggest problem the CFPB has in my opinion is that enforcement is far too lax.
it's not hillary sitting in the chair.
while subjective, no one will ever be able to overstate the magnitude of dodging THAT bullet
Well I'm going to agree with that, yet you'll recall that it was only a real possibility because Trump was the candidate. But if that's all he achieves in four years, and he's a drag on the Conservative agenda, then it's not enough. The fact still remains that he's a zero, and that's being charitable if he's an active impediment.
LOL@WP, please never stop being a sore ass loser.
Wait, you have a rule against talking about past events. __wwwwwwooooooohhhhhooooo
Trash-talking for your favorite sports team is not what this is about for me. I don't even care about win or lose as far as the parties are concerned. I'm not sure that you'll ever get that, but at least keep open to the idea that this overriding concern is mostly in your own mind.
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