Saturday, December 2, 2017

Tale of three takes...

THE CNN JOURNALIST

Michael Flynn's guilty plea is an absolutely massive problem for Donald Trump
Given that, the guilty plea by Flynn is different -- and more serious -- than the charges against one-time Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort. Manafort was a part of Trump's inner orbit for a handful of months during the spring and summer of 2016. But, he was long gone by the time Trump won the White House. And, the charges against Manafort have to do with money laundering and the Ukraine, not Russia. Manafort has pleaded not guilty.

THE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW PROFESSOR 

How the Flynn Charges Box In Trump
All this means that the Mueller team chose the specific charge. And that it fits into the narrative his team is creating. And because Trump has let it be known that he is considering firing the special counsel, Mueller must do more than simply prosecute if he doesn’t want to be fired. He must shape public perception of his investigation to reduce the probability -- by suggesting that his firing would itself be an act oobstruction of justice by the president.

THE FORMER U.S. PROSECUTOR

There’s less to the news than meets the eye
Understand: If Flynn’s conversations with the Russian ambassador had evinced the existence of a quid pro quo collusion arrangement — that the Trump administration would ease or eliminate sanctions on Russia as a payback for Russia’s cyber-espionage against the Hillary Clinton campaign and the Democratic party — it would have been completely appropriate, even urgently necessary, for the Obama Justice Department to investigate Flynn. But if that had happened, Mueller would not be permitting Flynn to settle the case with a single count of lying to FBI agents. Instead, we would be looking at a major conspiracy indictment, and Flynn would be made to plead to far more serious offenses if he wanted a deal — cooperation in exchange for sentencing leniency.

So what we see are three different takes, which seems to be fairly indicative of what you are seeing out there. The "journalists" associated with "politics" are all wetting themselves as they explain why this is the biggest legal bombshell since the O.J. Acquittal. The more liberal law experts are reserving judgement, and suggesting additional motives for the charges. While the more conservative law experts are basically discounting the charges, some even suggesting them to be a display of weakness.

  • Chris Cillizza cannot stress enough and without any additional display of urgency exactly how horrifyingly bad this is for the White House. To listen to Cillizza the President might as well be measuring curtains in his new jail cell. Cillizza claims that a plea to a false statement charge (which will carry no more than a six month sentence) is more serious than the 9 count indictment (which potentially carries decades of jail time) without really explaining why. He goes on to defend himself against charges of "fake news" while suggesting that "no thinking person could possibly believe that Trump's presidency is not  in some level of peril". Cillizza provides no actual link from Flynn's plea to the President. But his suggestion that the entire Trump presidency is in peril is worded in quite strong terms, and I am sure works on many weak minded souls. Cillizza is the classic political journalist, turned legal expert.
  • The article by Noah Feldman is actually sort of the opposite. Feldman is a legal expert who chooses to judge and explain Mueller's legal decision in political terms. He suggests that the choice to charge Flynn with false statements (and not more serious charges regarding his relations with Turkey) was not made because Mueller was necessarily cutting Flynn  a bunch of slack in return for Flynn providing important information on higher ups. He also suggests that the choice was not necessary made because Mueller has a weak hand. He suggests that this choice was made, because the criminal activity was relevant time wise (while Flynn worked for Trump) and because it actually has something to do with Russians. Feldman suggests, in large part, that this was someone of a defensive strategic move, to squelch the growing calls from many people for the Deputy Attorney General, the President, or even Mueller himself to put an end to the investigation.
  • Meanwhile, the Andrew McCarthy take is entirely different. He (as well as many other conservative legal observers) sees this as a weak play by a prosecutor who is holding a weak hand. While McCarthy might backhandedly agree that the charges are strategic and defensive, his suggestion is that it wasn't as much of a strategic choice, as much as it was a forced choice. Mueller might be using Flynn to get to someone else, but that someone else is not the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, but rather nothing more than a potential lead or potential dead end. Ultimately McCarthy's take is that there really isn't any more than "meets the eye" on this one. It's a plea to a  "process crime" that ultimately deals with making false statements about activities that are otherwise not criminal. On fact, he is 100% correct.

At the end of the day, Cornell Law Professor William Jacobson probably says it best:
If all Mueller gets are process crimes and matters unrelated to the pre-election day campaign, he has failed in his quest. Mueller knows that. He may have started with Manafort (pre-Trump campaign) and Flynn (post-Trump campaign) charges, but it can’t end there, or Mueller will go down as a failure. Remember, he’s supposed to be investigating Russian interference in the election, not the political calculations of the Trump transition team as to how best to prepare for the imminent assumption of the presidency. 
You want me to speculate like everyone else? Is that what you really want? Okay, here goes: Mueller doesn’t have the goods on The Donald so far. And it’s frustrating him and his team. He’ll keep up with the process crimes and the non-campaign related crimes, so that when he comes up short he has something to show for what likely will be many tens of millions of dollars spend in pursuit of The Donald.

161 comments:

Anonymous said...




but brian ross promised we really had trump this time.

HE PROMISED!


ABC’s Flynn-Trump Report Caused Panic In The Stock Market — Then They Corrected The Story [VIDEO]

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/01/abcs-flynn-trump-report-caused-panic-in-the-stock-market-then-they-corrected-the-story-video/



Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Better news.

With less than two weeks to go, support for Democrat Doug Jones stands at 50 percent vs. Moore’s 47 percent support among likely voters — a margin of a scant three points that sets up a nail-biter for the oddly timed Dec. 12 special election.

The blog favorite pedophile is falling behind again.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Spam by the host.

Sarcasm CH. Good post. But I find one thing is that Muheller is "frustrated "

He's got an outstanding team and a lot of patience.

I just can't get it how all the interactions between the Trump team and with various Russian entities and the CEO is ignorant of the events is interesting.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Fake New spin on steroids.

This is why I see Trumpism on the blog master.

TA is available. I will be your sponsor.

Anonymous said...

The blog favorite pedophile is falling behind again.
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just because he's frequently here does not mean that james is the blog's favorite, alky.


James said...

Since Ch is talking about takes, here is one:

‘Flynn holds the key to who knew what when’

Asha Rangappa, associate dean at Yale Law School.

With Flynn’s plea deal, Mueller has nowhere to go but up—up the chain, that is. As the former national security adviser, Flynn is a critical link tying contacts with Russia to Trump’s inner circle, and possibly to the president himself.

The statement of facts included with Flynn’s plea deal states that Flynn was essentially a go-between from top members of the Trump team to the Russian ambassador on the subject of President Barack Obama’s sanctions and on Russia’s vote on a United Nations resolution presented by Egypt. The senior members of the Trump transition to whom Flynn was reporting back his contacts with Russian officials are not named in the statement, but are likely Mueller’s next targets.

As for Trump, his knowledge of Flynn’s contacts with Russia (and other potentially illegal acts to which Flynn did not plead guilty) could not only tie him to the collusion case taking clearer shape, but also to the obstruction of justice case against the president specifically.

After all, Trump’s main goal, starting with his initial meetings with former FBI Director James Comey, was to have the case against Flynn dropped. If Trump was knowingly trying to keep the FBI from discovering Flynn’s activities, that would seal the deal for Mueller’s obstruction case. For both collusion and obstruction, Flynn holds the key to who knew what when, and Mueller now has his cooperation.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Muheller did the right thing.

Mueller Removed Top F.B.I. Agent Over Possible Anti-Trump Texts
By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT, MATT APUZZO and ADAM GOLDMAN
December 2, 2017
Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russian meddling in the election, in June.
Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russian meddling in the election, in June. Doug Mills/The New York Times
Washington — The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, removed a top F.B.I. agent from his investigation into Russian election meddling after the Justice Department’s inspector general began examining whether the agent sent text messages that expressed anti-Trump political views, according to three people briefed on the matter.

The agent, Peter Strzok, is considered one of the most experienced and trusted F.B.I. counterintelligence investigators. He helped lead the investigation into whether Hillary Clinton mishandled classified information on her private email account, and then played a major role in the investigation into links between President Trump’s campaign and Russia.

But Mr. Strzok was reassigned this summer from Mr. Mueller’s investigation to the F.B.I.’s human resources department, where he has been stationed since. The people briefed on the case said the transfer followed the discovery of text messages in which Mr. Strzok and a colleague reacted to news events, like presidential debates, in ways that could appear anti-Trump.

A lawyer for Mr. Strzok and a spokesman for the F.B.I. declined to comment.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

That's all you have Jimmy. Get
a life.

Another take said...

‘Flynn’s testimony is likely to implicate someone of great importance'

Richard Painter, professor of law at the University of Minnesota and former chief White House ethics lawyer under George W. Bush

Prosecutors don’t generally offer plea deals as generous as this one unless the defendant offers valuable information implicating someone higher up in the conspiracy than the defendant. Given that Flynn was very high up in the Trump campaign and in the White House, that means his testimony is likely to implicate someone of great importance. Mueller’s objective is to get that testimony in the record, and finish getting testimony from other witnesses, so that other indictments can be filed. And of course, he needs to do this without getting fired. President Trump needs to know that firing Mueller, or handing out pardons in the midst of the investigation, would likely trigger a constitutional crisis as Republicans will join Democrats in calling for his removal from office.

Anonymous said...

I just can't get it how all the interactions between the Trump team and with various Russian entities and the CEO is ignorant of the events is interesting.
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it's commonly referred to as a transition, alky.

happens every time we get a new prez. the incoming crew actually - get this - they actually converse and communicate with other nations. really.

i mean this shit actually takes place. and it HAS taken place since the birth of our nation. i mean, ben franklin was literally getting laid all over western europe. THAT'S how long this shit's been going on.

now then, i can see where you're going with all this...

what we need is a law that would prohibit an incoming administration from having any communication with any foreign country or person from the day after the election until inauguration day. total silence. they must be barred from any briefings and must not be allowed to acquire any knowledge or intelligence until january 20th.

would that satisfy you and your fellow fuckwit travelers alky?



James said...

And you can find several interesting takes here:


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/01/what-michael-flynns-plea-deal-means-215995

James said...

i mean, ben franklin was literally getting laid all over western europe.

And was Trump engaging in golden stream behavior?

Anonymous said...

And was Trump engaging in golden stream behavior?
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of course he was, pederast. in fact, that dossier was so salacious, the fbi couldn't be bothered to verify ANY of it.

now, what needs to happen next is we need to figure out how to dispense with the traditional line of presidential succession (trump - pence - ryan, etc.) and coronate hillary as president and perhaps even QUEEN for good measure. and she should be allowed to reign for a full two terms PLUS one year to make up for the year trump viciously stole from her by colluding with "russia, russia, russia."



Loretta said...

"of course he was, pederast."

I suppose it's natural for a pedophile to be concerned about golden showers?

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The tweet was a mistake.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The twit and rrb destroy rational discussion.

Alky alky alky blah

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The twit likes golden showers

Loretta said...

AND here comes the drunken creeper, Roger.

PNC said...

If James is a pedophile, he can run for national office as a Republican and win.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I'm a nice guy. If you saw me you would see a pleasant friendly smile. If I was single I wouldn't be alone much.

I was single for four years. I had fun. My grand total is more than you. LOL


James said...

Hey, PNC, some of them call me a pedophile, others a pederast, others say I abuse animals, others say I'm gay.

But going by your post at 2:40, I have no future as a Republican candidate, for I lack the necessary perversity.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Just now from the New York Times.

On Dec. 29, a transition adviser to Mr. Trump, K. T. McFarland, wrote in an email to a colleague that sanctions announced hours before by the Obama administration in retaliation for Russian election meddling were aimed at discrediting Mr. Trump’s victory. The sanctions could also make it much harder for Mr. Trump to ease tensions with Russia, “which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him,” she wrote in the emails obtained by The Times.

It is not clear whether Ms. McFarland was saying she believed that the election had in fact been thrown. A White House lawyer said on Friday that she meant only that the Democrats were portraying it that way.
Continue reading the main story
Russian Hacking and Influence in the U.S. Election
Complete coverage of Russia’s campaign to disrupt the 2016 presidential election.


But it is evident from the emails — which were obtained from someone who had access to transition team communications — that after learning that President Barack Obama would expel 35 Russian diplomats, the Trump team quickly strategized about how to reassure Russia. The Trump advisers feared that a cycle of retaliation between the United States and Russia would keep the spotlight on Moscow’s election meddling, tarnishing Mr. Trump’s victory and potentially hobbling his presidency from the start.

As part of the outreach, Ms. McFarland wrote, Mr. Flynn would be speaking with the Russian ambassador, Mr. Kislyak, hours after Mr. Obama’s sanctions were announced.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/russia-mcfarland-flynn-trump-emails.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

It calls into question about a lot of the things Trump has said or tweeted.

CH, read the Fake News and see if it can show you something interesting. LOL

More is another post.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...



The only problem, Mr. Cobb said, was that Mr. Flynn had lied to White House officials and to F.B.I. agents about what he had told the Russian ambassador. Mr. Flynn’s misstatements led to his firing in February and his guilty plea on Friday to charges of lying to federal agents.

With Mr. Flynn’s plea and agreement to cooperate with Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating the Russian election interference, the inquiry edges closer to Mr. Trump. The president tried to persuade the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to drop the bureau’s criminal investigation of Mr. Flynn, and fired Mr. Comey after he failed to comply.

Mr. Trump and his aides have suggested that his concern about Mr. Flynn’s potential legal jeopardy was motivated mainly by the president’s admiration for his former national security adviser’s military service and character.

But the new details about Mr. Flynn’s Russia contacts underscore the possibility that the president may have been worried not just about Mr. Flynn but also about whether any investigation might reach into the White House and perhaps to the Oval Office. That question will be at the center of any consideration by Mr. Mueller of whether Mr. Trump’s actions constituted obstruction of justice.

Did he know that he had lied when he fired him. This calls into question the veracity of his tweet. But we are accustomed to them being full of lies. He is unable to tell the truth, he's bonkers.

WHAT DID HE KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT.

Anonymous said...

Pure gold, then times we get to Lol@HB.

#25thamendmenorbust

Commonsense said...

He's really gone nutso.

Commonsense said...

I'm a nice guy. If you saw me you would see a pleasant friendly smile.

Translation: I'm not the wild-eyed, nutso, kook, I appear to be.

Reality: Yes, you are.

Anonymous said...

"My Grand Total is More then yours" alky as a man whore.

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Anonymous said...

Go Dawgs

Anonymous said...

Come on "stud" how many trophy f*cks ?

caliphate5vr said...

See ya in the playoffs

Go DAWGS

Indy Voter said...

Alabama needs an Ohio State victory, preferably in a sloppy game, to get into the playoff now. And even then, OSU would still be a better bet to get in.

What Alabama really needed was TCU upsetting Oklahoma.

Commonsense said...

vSo it's going to be Georgia, Clemson, Wisconsin and Oklahoma.

November 15, 2017 at 11:59 AM


Two down, two to go.

Indy Voter said...

Congratulations to the New Mexico State Aggies! First time they've been bowl eligible in my lifetime! They will likely play in Tucson on December 30.

Myballs seeing America become great again said...

Brian Ross suspended four weeks for his fake news report. But head baked still believes it. How pathetic he has become.

Anonymous said...

Dominating win, auburn eat dog poop

Anonymous said...

Kansas State Wild Cats, bowl eligible, maybe they Toilet Bowl.

Anonymous said...

He is bragging about F*ck more throphy woman then CHT.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Approximately 20

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The Trump transition team ignored a pointed request from the Obama administration to avoid sending conflicting signals to foreign officials before the inauguration and to include State Department personnel when contacting them. Besides the Russian ambassador, Mr. Flynn, at the request of the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, contacted several other foreign officials to urge them to delay or block a United Nations resolution condemning Israel over its building of settlements.

Mr. Cobb said the Trump team had never agreed to avoid such interactions. But one former White House official has disputed that, telling Mr. Mueller’s investigators that Trump transition officials had agreed to honor the Obama administration’s request.
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K. T. McFarland made clear in an email exchange that the Trump presidential transition team was intensely focused on relations with Russia. Credit Gabriella Demczuk for The New York Times

Mr. Bossert forwarded Ms. McFarland’s Dec. 29 email exchange about the sanctions to six other Trump advisers, including Mr. Flynn; Reince Priebus, who had been named as chief of staff; Stephen K. Bannon, the senior strategist; and Sean Spicer, who would become the press secretary.

Mr. Obama, she wrote, was trying to “box Trump in diplomatically with Russia,” which could limit his options with other countries, including Iran and Syria. “Russia is key that unlocks door,” she wrote.

She also wrote that the sanctions over Russian election meddling were intended to “lure Trump in trap of saying something” in defense of Russia, and were aimed at “discrediting Trump’s victory by saying it was due to Russian interference.”

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Some legal experts have speculated that the contacts during the transition between Trump aides and foreign officials might violate the Logan Act, a law that prohibits private American citizens from working with a foreign government against the United States. But the act has not been used to prosecute anyone since the 19th century. Mr. Cobb said the law “certainly does not apply” to a presidential transition team.

The day after the president fired Mr. Flynn, he talked about the F.B.I. inquiry with Mr. Comey, the agency’s director. Mr. Comey has said the president urged him to drop the inquiry. “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,” Mr. Trump said, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote immediately afterward. The White House has denied that account. The president fired Mr. Comey in May.

here you go.. Collusion on for sure.

Testifying before Congress in June, Mr. Comey declined to say whether the president had fired him to impede the investigation. “I don’t think it’s for me to say whether the conversation I had with the president was an effort to obstruct,” he said. “I took it as a very disturbing thing, very concerning, but that’s a conclusion I’m sure the special counsel will work towards to try and understand what the intention was there, and whether that’s an offense.”


The testimony and such, the President should be feeling the noose around his neck.

I can't reduce it to simple enough for you folks. Bottom line, he's in deep shit and it's stinking.

At least 20 folks LOL

Anonymous said...

Roger, wtf is wrong with you?

Fucking 20 throphy woman.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Before I got marries, and after. I had fun. In the 4 years of 69 2000 Oh my. Early days on online dating. Almost every time, the second or third date, using the Ted Lykis method. Three dates or she's out. LOL

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

To the pre and post liver transplant group on Facebook. I'm sure it will get the usual span and alky bs. But that's all they have.

Today is the sixth month anniversary of the liver transplant at UCLA in Los Angeles. Just to make it short and sweet. Except for an infection and fever problem in August , my recovery continues with little or no problems. My lovely wife has been priceless. The surgical team was facing a difficult situation, but here I am.

Your support and encouragement was priceless. I am very lucky or blessed. to be here. My condition usually does not get a transplant, let alone in a approximately 1.5 years on the UNOS list. I got posted on it in November of 2015. It took a lot of work by Kaiser Permanente and UCLA to get me posted. PCLD was my major condition. But it was an unusual case.

I was in pretty good physical condition so that was a factor in m my relatively quick release. I haven't had any issues with rejection. My blood tests show almost perfect numbers, I take every two weeks. I have age related physical issues, my lumbar is bent and painful but I don't let it stop me The give of life is too short to let that slow me down. I know that I'm a lucky man. I hope and pray that all of you do well and enjoy the life the donors provided for us

caliphate4vr said...

Oh boy exhaustion. Left ATL last night at 6 to go to the Citadel to play U19 rugby against 2 local Charleston clubs. Beat the 1st 55-0 and then the grudge match against last year's Mid South Invitational Rugby League (MSIRL) champ, beat that ass 24-5.

A lot of young men had a blast and had a great experience

Taped the DAWG game but listened on radio. Watch tomorrow

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

If there is a tit-for-tat escalation Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia, which has just thrown USA election to him," McFarland wrote, according to the Times.

C.H. Truth said...

The Trump transition team ignored a pointed request from the Obama administration to avoid sending conflicting signals to foreign officials before the inauguration and to include State Department personnel when contacting them.

As well they should have.

They had just won the election over Obama's heir apparent. It was going to be their foreign policy moving forward, not Obama's.

If Obama had any class, he would have consulted with the Trump transition team and made sure nobody in his lame duck cabinet was going to be doing anything that would be inconsistent with the goals and policies of the incoming administration.

It's called an orderly and smooth transition to a new administration. It's not about spending the last 10 weeks trying to make things harder on the new guy.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The timeline may and the morning tweet may be a problem.

Trump fired Flynn on Feb. 13, he mentioned only Flynn's comments to Vice President Pence -- not the FBI. In fact, Flynn's contradictory comments to the FBI on his meeting with the Russian ambassador weren't public knowledge at the time. And the current timeline as we understand it does not suggest the White House had direct knowledge of what Flynn told the FBI at the time.

I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!

This and the New York Times reported on email comments on the Russian email on the election.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump has spent the last ten months dismantling the entire Obama legacy. Including access to the internet.

Loretta said...

Good Lord.

Would someone PLEASE tell Roger this isn't eharmony.com?

Commonsense said...

Some legal experts have speculated that the contacts during the transition between Trump aides and foreign officials might violate the Logan Act

Pretty much everyone agrees that if all Mueller comes out with is a violation of the Logan Act, he will be laughed out of DC.

It is a 200 year old relic from the Adams administration that has never been seriously enforced.

If it was, Nancy Pelosi, Jessie Jackson and Ted Kennedy would have done jail time.

Commonsense said...

Would someone PLEASE tell Roger this isn't eharmony.com?

I'm not sure who Roger is trying to impress by bragging he's as big a pig as Harvey Weinstein.

I'm certainly not impressed.

Anonymous said...

It is easy to expose his perversions, just getting him on his favorite subject, him.

Loretta said...

Heebeegeebees.

Almost as bad as finding post pubescent teenagers sexy.

C.H. Truth said...

Roger...

TRUMP WAS ELECTED!

It's his right to dismantle Obama's legacy.

If Obama did it right (through normal legislation, rather than with a executive pen) - then Trump couldn't undo it.

Anonymous said...

Including access to the internet.
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if you really want to totally fubar your internet access, give the government total control over it.

and CH is absolutely correct. trump was elected. and with that comes the right to completely destroy as much of 0linsky's legacy as he can.

to the victor go the spoils, rog.

Commonsense said...

Trump has spent the last ten months dismantling the entire Obama legacy. Including access to the internet.

#Winning

Anonymous said...


REPORTER: "This building [the Obama State Department] doesn't see anything necessarily inapprorpiate in contact between members of the incoming [Trump] administration and foreign officials, no matter what country they're from?"

OBAMA STATE DEPT SPOKESPERSON: "No, no...and again this has been ongoing. We have no problem with them doing such on their own."


https://twitter.com/_/status/936962187846934528

Taeggan Goddard said...

Gutting Social Security and Medicare Is Next

and after that will come a Day of Judgment

And this is the Wall Street Journal speaking, James said...

Trump Finds a Way to Bypass His Chief of Staff

Wall Street Journal: “The president on occasion has called White House aides to the private residence in the evening, where he makes assignments and asks them not tell Mr. Kelly about the plans, according to several people familiar with the matter. At least once, aides have declined to carry out the requested task so as not to run afoul of Mr. Kelly, one of these people said.

“The president, who values counsel from an informal group of confidants outside the White House, also sometimes bypasses the normal scheduling for phone calls that give other White House staff, including Mr. Kelly, some control and influence over who the president talks to and when.”

Rev Jim Boswell said...

I'm a pedophile.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

More and more importantly is that a lot of Republicans expressing belief that the President is showing signs of dementia. This pedophile bull shit should go away.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Menstra I was single and never engaged in the work environment

It looks like you are jealous. 🏋️‍♂️🏋️‍♂️🏋️‍♂️🏋️‍♂️🏋️‍♂️🏋️‍♂️ I just finished my exercise training session. My guns are fully loaded .

Commonsense said...
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Commonsense said...

Of you? No. I just thank god your diseased body and mind never got a chance to hang around my sister or any other women I cared about.

You have scuzzball written all over you.

James said...

Commensa no longer believes in a God who really is God so he now writes "god" instead.

James said...

ROGER: This pedophile bull shit should go away.

JAMES: Gets pretty boring, doesn't it.

JAMES'S FUCKING DADDY said...


On this james and I and Roger agree

but on nothing else.

Commonsense said...

Strange that you would thank an entity you no longer believed in but James can have his petty grammatical points.

People see it for was it is, petty and small-mindedness from a person wanting of intellectual and moral capacity.

Anonymous said...

HB. Ty for doing what I could get you to do.

Your a reprobate. Self confessed.

Jane what do you think of alky fucking 20 woman?

god, do tell jane.

PNC said...

"More and more importantly is that a lot of Republicans expressing belief that the President is showing signs of dementia."

The signs of dementia are very obvious if you watch a series of Trump interviews from the past 20 years or so in chronological order.

Believe it or not, there was a time when the babbler-in-chief could speak in coherent sentences. His descent into his current word salad speech pattern has been quite pronounced.

Anonymous said...

Jane you hate them new tax cuts for small business, but why, when we know for a fact small businesses are then job creators.
?

Anonymous said...

PNC through blog batt shit crazy.

All aborders there PNC crazy trian.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The President is proposing a repeal of the net neutrality rules. That's a terrible idea. The only reason is that it was implemented by the Obama administration. It's going to make access to the internet more expensive.

PNC said...

Speaking of incoherent word salad...

Anonymous said...

Huh?

Commonsense said...

One point Mukasey made on This Week. If you make a plea deal with Flynn you make him plea to the crime you are targeting not a unrelated process charge like lying to the FBI.

The way he's immunized against self-incrimination and can't hide behind the 5th amendment.

However Mueller didn't do that which is the strongest indication he doesn't have a criminal case.

And this is really a political persecution.

It's looking more like the Fitzpatrick investigation all of the time.

Anonymous said...

Muller will string this out to them Nov 2018 Elections. Fulfilling his duty to their Dems and Republican swamp.

Commonsense said...

I don't think he can. There's quite a lot of pressure from liberals to "find something".

The media can only hype every little development and them say "never-mind" so many times before people start turning them off.

And I'm not just talking about Trump supporters, but independents and discouraged liberals also.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The insane asylum President tweet storm this morning was an attack on the FBI.

After years of Comey, with the phony and dishonest Clinton investigation (and more), running the FBI, its reputation is in Tatters - worst in History! But fear not, we will bring it back to greatness.

Commonsense said...

He's not wrong and he's not the one responsible for politicizing the FBI.

Ironically Comey and Mueller were chiefly responsible.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Stupidity huh?

If Congress allows Pai’s plan to pass, all that will be left of FCC oversight of broadband providers is a weak disclosure requirement: If Verizon, for example, wants to block content, charge sites to be viewable on its network, or create paid fast lanes, the company will simply have to tell its subscribers in their contract’s fine print. (Broadband providers won’t have to disclose, and the FCC won’t have control over, the sneakier ways they’ve found to mess with the internet.)

Enforcement will be left to the Federal Trade Commission, an agency that’s never enforced open internet rules and has no ability to formulate its own. The FTC won’t even be able to protect consumers against most net neutrality violations after the fact, and nor will it be able to protect consumers against greedy broadband providers.

And violations will come if Pai’s plan passes.

AT&T's Ed Whitacre summarized broadband providers’ true motivations best back in 2005: “Why should they be allowed to use my pipes?," he said. "The internet can't be free in that sense, because we and the cable companies have made an investment and for a Google or Yahoo or Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes free is nuts.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The President politicized the FBI when he tried to stop the FBI from investigating the Russian intervention into the election. Coney was doing his job. Trump fired him because he wouldn't stop the investigation. Muheller is doing his job. That's simple (genius), he following the evidence to wherever it goes.

Roy Moore said...

Do you live in Alabama? I could sure use your vote Tuesday.

James said...

DONALD TRUMP'S USUAL BLATHER TWEET:

"After years of Comey, with the phony and dishonest Clinton investigation (and more), running the FBI, its reputation is in Tatters - worst in History! But fear not, we will bring it back to greatness."
____________

FORMER OBAMA ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER:

"Nope. Not letting this go. The FBI's reputation is not in 'tatters. It's composed of the same dedicated men and women who have always worked there and who do a great, apolitical job.

"You'll find integrity and honesty at FBI headquarters and not at 1600 Penn Ave right now."


Rev Jim Boswell said...

I love being a pedophile.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

I find it amusing that because I was single until 32 and in the 70s it was a pretty open world. Sex, drugs and alcohol was the lifestyle. I got married in 83, separated in 96. Internet dating sites were new. Most of the time, after a date or two, and, well, guess what. But on both sides, it was just casual and well, next. Quite often that was it.

I didn't cheat on my first wife, nor on this one. It was fun. CYa, next!

Anonymous said...

The average tax rate on business of industrialized Nations is 22.6 %.

Dropping them US Rate to 20 % will give them USA a needed competitive advantage.

Why are you against them USA gaining advantages ?

wphamilton said...

The average actual tax rate on US corporations is 18.6%

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Crazy Trump strikes again.

President Trump travels to Utah Monday where he's expected to announce his administration will dramatically shrink the size of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments.

The visit caps months of speculation and a controversial review of the boundaries of large national monuments that protect more than 100,000 acres of U.S. public land. The review, conducted by Trump's Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, originally looked at more than two dozen national monuments designated by presidential decree since the 1990s.

But Utah, with its new 1.3 million-acre Bears Ears monument and the 1.8 million-acre Grand Staircase National Monument, has always been at the center of the debate, and largely what spurred the review.

On Monday, during a ceremony at the Utah state Capitol, Trump is reportedly expected to announce plans to shrink the boundaries of Bears Ears by up to 85 percent. His predecessor, President Obama, created the monument shortly before leaving office. The Grand Staircase monument, which stems from the Clinton administration, could be cut in half.

Utah's Republican congressional delegation, along with county commissions and conservative groups, pressed the administration to act.

"President Trump's decision to reduce these monuments allows us to still protect those areas that need protection, while at the same time keeping the area open and accessible to locals who depend on this land for their daily lives," said Matt Anderson of the Utah-based Sutherland Institute.

Anderson says large, public land national monuments hurt rural counties. These areas already have large amounts of federal public land, he says, where cattle grazing, mining and other types of private enterprise is heavily regulated.

Rural Utah is still fuming from President Clinton's designation of the Grand Staircase in 1996, which grandfathered in existing cattle grazing leases and other uses, but also nixed a proposed coal mine. Clinton signed the proclamation at the Grand Canyon, in Arizona, and Utah officials at the time said they were blindsided.

"When you designate a large national monument, you restrict access to the land and you block traditional uses of the land," Anderson said.

In rural San Juan County, home to Bears Ears, more than 60 percent of all the land is owned and managed by the federal government. The county, which is also about 50 percent Native American, is often cited as one of Utah's poorest.

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Depending which side you're on, Monday's expected drama is a story about an overreaching federal government that prevented development on large amounts of federal land with little local support, or it's the latest example of the U.S. government breaking promises with Native Americans.

Many tribal leaders and activists began convening in Salt Lake City over the weekend to protest the president's looming decision.

At a rally Saturday, Ethel Branch, attorney general of the Navajo Nation, predicted the president wouldn't even set foot on or see the land in question.

"I want him to visit Bears Ears before he takes any action," Branch told a cheering crowd at a rally outside the Utah Capitol.

Commonsense said...

Obama used the monuments act for an illegal land grab Trump is just rolling it back.

Commonsense said...

Eric Holder should be in jail.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

In an interview with the Des Moines Register, Grassley (R) Iowa said that people who “invest” are more deserving of tax cuts because they don’t waste their money on frivolities:
“I think not having the estate tax recognizes the people that are investing,” Grassley said, “as opposed to those that are just spending every darn penny they have, whether it’s on booze or women or movies.”
Grassley’s attitude explains a lot about Republicans, but it certainly doesn’t reflect the experience of average Americans, who actually spend their money on things like cancer treatments and child care and putting their kids through college.

Republicans are increasingly hypocritical and insane.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Your attitude would have stopped Theodore Roosevelt when he created the National Parks that are treasured by Americans of every political view.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Trump has gone all in for the pedophile who is running for the Senate in Alabama.

Trump tweeted. "We need his vote on stopping crime, illegal immigration, Border Wall, Military, Pro Life, V.A., Judges 2nd Amendment and more. No to Jones, a Pelosi/Schumer Puppet!"

He will get the full support of the paedophiles on CHT.

Commonsense said...

National parks were created by acts of Congress.

Obama abused the interpretation of "land required to maintain the monument" clause of the monuments act to create a massive grab of state and private land to the detriment of ranchers, and native Americans.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Since Theodore Roosevelt first created a national monument in the Grand Canyon, they have been under assault by corporations. Mining companies eager to extract copper, zinc, and asbestos had eagerly been surveying the land when Roosevelt created the national monument. He came to Arizona to tell the state: “In your own interest and the interest of all the country keep this great wonder of nature as it now is.”
In the latest chapter in this battle, Republicans have launched an all-out assault on the ability to protect new public lands. In House Bill 1459, House Republicans are seeking to remove the President’s power to create new national parks. The bill has become known as the “No New Public Parks” Bill.
The President’s power to create new national monuments is rooted in the grant of authority in the Antiquities Act signed into law by Teddy Roosevelt in 1906. With that authority, President Roosevelt was able to protect the Grand Canyon in 1908 and Presidents of both parties have used that power to protect public lands in all 50 states.
However, Republican members of Congress for decades have tried to shut down the creation of new national parks. After Franklin Roosevelt created Jackson Hole National Park, Republicans passed a 1950 law that banned the creation of any new national park in Wyoming without congressional approval. After President Carter used the law in 1978 to protect Alaskan wilderness, Congress passed a law that prevented the President from creating new national monuments in Alaska. Traditionally, Western Republicans have their campaigns financed by industries that want to use public land for profit and have been eager to protect the interests of their donors.
Led by Congressman Rob Bishop of Utah, who has spent years fighting for expanding mining rights on public lands in Utah, House Republicans are now trying to make the creation of a new national monument subject to Congressional approval. With home-state Republicans representatives oftentimes opposing a national park because of pressure from industry, this could spell the end of our ability to create new national monuments.
The fact that Republicans are trying to change a law passed over 100 years ago by a Republican President is a reflection of the Republican Party’s ongoing repudiation of its progressive roots. In the era of Teddy Roosevelt, the Republican Party had a claim to the “progressive” label and saw government as a tool for enhancing national greatness. Whether it was trust-busting or preserving public land, Roosevelt worked to pass laws that would further the public interest. By contrast, today’s Republicans see the government as the consummate enemy. Today, Teddy Roosevelt is reviled in a Republican Party that has instead embraced a libertarian worldview.

Anonymous said...

18 %, then why change the law at all?

WP, do tell.

Anonymous said...

HB, How many hundreds of acres do you personally own?

Your wife, not you at all has a mortgage on 0.33 of an acre, Sad.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Theodore Roosevelt is on Mount Rushmore for a reason. If Menstra had his way, we would see mines in the Grand Canyon.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Obama didn't break the law.

The President’s power to create new national monuments is rooted in the grant of authority in the Antiquities Act signed into law by Teddy Roosevelt in 1906. With that authority, President Roosevelt was able to protect the Grand Canyon in 1908 and Presidents of both parties have used that power to protect public lands in all 50 states.

Anonymous said...




you forgot the link again, alky:



https://democracyjournal.org/arguments/the-gop-vs-our-national-parks/


btw, that's quite the asylum of whack-a-doo liberals ya got there.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The President’s power to create new national monuments is rooted in the grant of authority in the Antiquities Act signed into law by Teddy Roosevelt in 1906. With that authority, President Roosevelt was able to protect the Grand Canyon in 1908 and Presidents of both parties have used that power to protect public lands in all 50 states.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The President’s power to create new national monuments is rooted in the grant of authority in the Antiquities Act signed into law by Teddy Roosevelt in 1906. With that authority, President Roosevelt was able to protect the Grand Canyon in 1908 and Presidents of both parties have used that power to protect public lands in all 50 states.

commie said...

Obama abused the interpretation of "land required to maintain the monument"

Spoken like a true denier of everything....Just like your support of moore in spite of his alleged behavior, you choose the party instead of protecting anything. Who gives a shit about the ranchers who abuse land land that is not theirs, but is really yours. As for the Natives, I am sure there are ways to allow them untettered use of tribal territory....Your stance is so typical of the right, nothing in your eyes will you ever doubt anything trump does or advocated....Like GW is a hoax, something you will defend even when the atlantic is at your front door.....

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The President’s power to create new national monuments is rooted in the grant of authority in the Antiquities Act signed into law by Teddy Roosevelt in 1906. With that authority, President Roosevelt was able to protect the Grand Canyon in 1908 and Presidents of both parties have used that power to protect public lands in all 50 states.

Anonymous said...

Theodore Roosevelt is on Mount Rushmore for a reason.
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yup.

the great liberal assholes of his day were to be represented, and there was no bigger liberal asshole in the early 20th century than theodore.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

These people believed that Iraq had WMD because a Republican said so. Gullibility and irrational right wing ideological illness ended up with over 4,000 dead Americans and trillions of debt.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Insanity on steroids.

Theodore Roosevelt is on Mount Rushmore for a reason.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


yup.

the great liberal assholes of his day were to be represented, and there was no bigger liberal asshole in the early 20th century than theodore.

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

We wouldn't have Yellowstone the Grand Canyon and all the other national parks if idiots like Jimmy the racist rodent bastard had his way in 1906.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
Insanity on steroids.
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theodore was insane? no shit? that explains much.

i'm sure he enjoyed killing the lakota in order to seize the land mt. rushmore is on.

commie said...

A very good read on what Menstral wants to defend....sad how ranchers who basically use federal lands for their own profit, so disregard the reasons why the land is protected....

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/01/20160106-malheur-wildlife-refuge-oregon-occupation-history/

The debate pits the government’s interest in preserving lands and protecting various species of animals against ranchers, loggers and others who see federal policies as overly intrusive and a hindrance on western residents’ efforts to make a living.

Typical menstral BS.....money trumps everything in spite of him having none.....LOL

Anonymous said...

Blogger Roger Amick said...
We wouldn't have Yellowstone the Grand Canyon and all the other national parks if idiots like Jimmy the racist rodent bastard had his way in 1906.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

sure you would, alky. i enjoy them as much as the next guy. what you wouldn't have is preening, sanctimonious shitstains like 0linsky doing whatever the fuck he pleased with them as a parting shot before he rolled back up on cabrini green.

don't forget alky, i live in the foothills of the adirondack park. 6.1 million acres. and i enjoy it year round. 52% of it is privately owned. had skeets had the authority he would've seized the private land for zero compensation and turned the whole thing over to government control.

so go fuck yourself, and don't make assumptions about my motives as a conservationist.

read and learn, alky:

http://www.dec.ny.gov/pubs/conservationist.html


there's more to life than ooh-ing and ah-ing over a big hole in the ground or some preening asshats face carved into stolen land.

Anonymous said...

lazy jv pres, IF he wanted to make this the law of the land then why not do the WORK and pass it into LAW, not with faded ink.


We Elected this president to have a tweet and an Eraser.

Commonsense said...

Obama's Dangerous Use Of The National Monument Law

Obama’s monument declarations in Hawaii and beyond are not motivated by a desire to protect lands threatened with imminent destruction; it is about building his legacy with far-Left environmental zealots. Millions of people are suffering so that Obama’s vanity can be satisfied.

The Antiquities Act grants to the president discretionary power “to declare by public proclamation historic landmarks, historic and prehistoric structures, and other objects of historic or scientific interest … to be national monuments.” Congress originally passed the law as an emergency measure to prevent the looting of antiquities on Native American lands, intending it, as the debate surrounding it shows, only to be used in instances where public lands or artifacts faced immediate threats of destruction and the normal pace of congressional action might take too long to prevent harm.

The law limits the scope of a monument to “the smallest area compatible with the proper care and management of the objects to be protected.” Those so-called limits have proven to be a horrific joke to Obama and other presidents seeking to restrict the power of the public. They have provided virtually no restraints on presidents’ power, because as Obama and other chief executives have been quick to point out, it is they who determine what the smallest area necessary for protection is.


Obama has abused the Antiquities Act more than any other president in the history of the act.

Commonsense said...

sad how ranchers who basically use federal lands for their own profit

It's what is called "open range" when those ranchers' ancestors first started to run cattle in the west.

And if you think it easy to profit from ranching, why don't you give it a try.

Anonymous said...

Millions of people are suffering so that Obama’s vanity can be satisfied.

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you know, when you think about it, there are countless ways by which this statement can be measured.



Anonymous said...

The Problem HB, is that the US Government Ownes too much land


Liberalism is a mental disorder

Anonymous said...

Good Morning oPie, how is your wife?

This question is so difficult, actual turns out impossible for you to answer.

I am loving it.

Anonymous said...

Will the Dow crash as HB said it did when it slide a tiny 0.17 %.


He has no skin in the game, all hat, no cattle.

commie said...

KD another posit......where's that link on clean burning wood you claimed??????? No hat, no brains, KD....LOLOLOL

commie said...

Blogger KD said...
Good Morning oPie, how is your wife?

Again, none of your fucking business you disingenuous asshole......I trust you got yours cleaned up after wallowing in the pig sty.....LOLOLOL

commie said...

called "open range" when those ranchers' ancestors first started to run cattle in the west.

So it has a name!!!! Doesn't mean they can abuse the land, idiot....



US Government Ownes too much land

So...at least it keeps assholes like you off the range and screwing it up with man made pollution......

:-) said...

..where's that link on clean burning wood you claimed???????

Well environmentally friendly California and their AQMD has introduced "clean diesel" on their commuter rail system Metrolink (spending $300 million). If diesel is OK in California certainly wood is cleaner...

They call it the train of the future.

commie said...

menstral posted another brilliant post

And if you think it easy to profit from ranching, why don't you give it a try.

Gee....what does easy have to do with making a profit???? If running any business was easy, even an idiot like you might be able to make it....LOLOL

commie said...

If diesel is OK in California certainly wood is cleaner

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! And if pigs had wings........LOLOLOLOLOL That is about as stupid a comparison that I have ever seen coming from the right....

Show me similar data on wood asshole...

Clean diesel systems are both fuel efficient and environmentally friendly. When compared with comparable gasoline passenger vehicles, clean diesel passenger vehicles offer 30 percent better fuel economy and up to 25 percent less CO2 emissions with no sacrifice to power or performance. In fact, clean diesels provide 50 percent better torque.

The technology behind today’s clean diesel engines is based on a more effective fuel-injection method, making diesel fuel more efficient than gasoline per gallon burned. Diesel fuel also has more concentrated energy than regular gasoline. Therefore, it also takes more gasoline to equal the power output of diesel – a gallon of gasoline only has 125,000 BTUs (british thermal units) compared to diesel’s 147,000 BTU.

Diesel engines are cleaner than ever before. The result is a new clean diesel system – combining clean diesel fuel, advanced engines and effective emissions-control technology.

Fuel: Clean diesel fuel is “clean” because it has 97 percent less sulfur. That’s why it’s also referred to as ultra-low-sulfur diesel (ULSD) fuel. Clean diesel fuel contains only 15 parts per million (ppm) of sulfur content.

ULSD is available nationwide, the result of a series of mandates enforced by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) beginning in June 2006. The EPA’s first mandate required U.S. refiners to produce 80 percent of their annual output as USLD; other notable mandates such as labeling fuel type and sulfur content soon followed.

Anonymous said...

So easy to "Trigger" hb's anal fuck oPie.

:-) said...

Thanks for proving my point

wphamilton said...

Blogger KD said...
18 %, then why change the law at all?

WP, do tell.


Because the corporate lobby is so powerful among modern Republicans, that's why.

commie said...

The smiling idiot posted.....

Thanks for proving my point

The only point you proved was the one on your forehead....idiot.....LOLOL

Anonymous said...

Does that supposed 18 % average actual tax rate include the sales tax they pay, property tax, Social Security for employees etc. etc. etc.?

commie said...

sales tax they pay, property tax, Social Security for employees etc. etc. etc.?

Those are all part of their profit loss calculations

Commonsense said...

Because the corporate lobby is so powerful among modern Republicans, that's why.

Just Republicans? Really?

Anonymous said...

commie said...
sales tax they pay, property tax, Social Security for employees etc. etc. etc.?

Those are all part of their profit loss calculations
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All I can say is wow

Anonymous said...

Myopic liberalism requires that she believe it is solely on their Republican side.

Anonymous said...

OPie, funny shit, please keep talking about running, small businesses, big businesses, economics and finances.

You are dumber then they dirt on my work boots.

Anonymous said...

Or WP,could it be that your just flat wrong.

wphamilton said...

Effective tax rate vs nominal. Because the the US does have the highest corporate tax rates in the world, we also have in place more corporate deductions and tax credits than any nation and as a result we wind up with collected taxes not much different from other developed nations.

There are too much minutia to go into but for a synopsis https://www.forbes.com/sites/taxanalysts/2015/03/25/the-truth-about-corporate-tax-rates/#3a483487742c

We need to reform the corporate tax code, but just slashing the top rates won't cut it. What you'll actually wind up with are certain companies and even industries exploiting the existing labyrinth of credits and deductions while having the ability to distribute resources among various foreign holdings, hence paying vastly less than their less-well positioned competitors. Someone will have to take up the slack from this unbalanced situation, as that's codified in law now.

And yes, it's the Republicans who are most beholden. They are after all the party that is attempting to ramrod this tax bill through, over the objections of the other party and practically every non-partisan economist.

commie said...

All I can say is wow


And please explain what is wrong with my answer???? I can only guess that someone pressumes all those add to the effective tax rate... I do not make that same presumption especially sales and SS. Wanna try again ? Idiots. As KD wipes his wife's dirt off his boots...

commie said...

Emphasizing WP's point

General Electric, Boeing, Priceline.com, Verizon and 22 other profitable Fortune 500 firms paid no federal income taxes from 2008 through 2012, according to Citizens for Tax Justice.
111 profitable Fortune 500 firms paid zero federal taxes in at least one of those five years.
General Electric, one of the most notorious corporate tax dodgers, got $3.1 billion in refunds on $27.5 billion in profits from 2008 to 2012. The company paid less in federal income taxes in five years than a single American family pays in one year.

Conservatives claim reducing the corporate tax rate will substantially grow the economy. But a cut in the statutory rate from 35% to 25% would increase economic output by less than two-tenths of one percent, according to CRS. Economic growth over the past 60 years has actually been stronger when corporate tax rates were higher, according to the Economic Policy Institute. U.S. corporate tax rates also are not hurting profits — before-tax and after-tax corporate profits as a percentage of national income are at post–World War II highs.

There is no relationship between cutting corporate tax rates and job growth, according to a recent study by the Center for Effective Government. Twenty-two of the 30 profitable Fortune 500 companies that paid the highest tax rates (30% or more) from 2008 to 2010 created almost 200,000 jobs between 2008 and 2012. The 30 profitable corporations that paid little or no taxes over the three years collectively shed 51,289 jobs between 2008 and 2012.

A corporate tax rate cut will blow a hole in the budget

Those who want to cut the corporate income tax rate from 35% to 25% ignore that it will cost $1.3 trillion over 10 years, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation. They say that rate cuts will be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes, but this will be extremely difficult given the power of the corporate tax lobby. Even if it was possible, there would be no new revenue for investments or deficit reduction. America can’t afford that.

Commonsense said...

And yes, it's the Republicans who are most beholden.

And I suppose those corporate lobbyist just paid huge speaking fees to Hillary and Bill Clinton just because they loved their wit and personality.

Please!!!

Commonsense said...

Meanwhile, WP's 401K is being supercharged because of the tax cut passed by the senate.

Don't think you'll hear him complain about that.

Dow soars 300 points higher to record as Street cheers Senate passing tax bill

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

The President cannot be indicated for objecting justice because he is the chief of law enforcement for the federal government.

Anonymous said...

Don't tell HB he has had it crashing twice since then Trump election.

Commonsense said...

Maybe Roger better turn off auto-correct.

Anonymous said...
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Anonymous said...

It is his penis that does his thinking.

commie said...

And I suppose those corporate lobbyist paid


And vets paid huge sums to busch to speak at a fund raiser....and what's you point menstral????

wphamilton said...

There is no relationship between cutting corporate tax rates and job growth, according to a recent study by the Center for Effective Government.

Consider also that corporate tax revenues are only 2.2% of the GDP. A corporate tax cut is necessarily a fraction of 2.2%. The Republicans would have us believe that a change of a small fraction of a tiny sliver of our GDP is going to cause vast growth in the GDP. It would be a joke if we didn't have so many people believing them.

Commonsense said...

A liberal think tank, who knew. Kind of missed the Reagan Tax cuts there.

wphamilton said...

Don't think you'll hear him complain about that.

Dow soars 300 points higher to record as Street cheers Senate passing tax bill


As far as I'm concerned that's for suckers. Plunges and rallies on daily news are often traps for the over-exuberant, while the big players rake it in on both the fluff and the corrections. I'll celebrate a steady rise a week from now, but one bump is meaningless to me.

Besides which, it's more bullshit than not. So-called analysts see a rally or surge, and attribute it to whatever the day's big news is. Yes, that does motivate some of the day-traders, but the reality is that single events such as a Senate tax bill, or misreporting about Flynn, are not what usually causes the fluctuation. Talking about today's high citing something that is in the news is a gambler's game.

wphamilton said...

And BTW, just in time to illustrate my point, the DJIA is at this moment up 158 points, not 300 points. After the dip Friday and the bump this morning (known as "amateur hour" among traders), the trajectory is no different than that of the last five days. My conclusion: the stocks' rise is due to factors which have been apparent for at least five days.

Anonymous said...

Wow, so you do and don"t.

Commonsense said...
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Commonsense said...

On November 4, 2016 the DOW closed at 17,888.28
Today the DOW is at 24,365.53

There no way you can spin that negatively WP.

Anonymous said...

"W" finacial Support from Veterans

Clinton s finacial support from, lobbyists and wall street.

Anonymous said...

Are you just meeting WP for your first time. Wait for it

wphamilton said...

There no way you can spin that negatively WP.

Why would I want to? We're talking about the Senate's tax plan, just now passed.

commie said...

KD said...
"W" finical Support from Veterans

Who the fuck said that asshole???? YOU DID!!!!!!!!!!


There no way you can spin that negatively WP.

What happened to that 30 point increase headline, you never took down???????? I recall many positive DOW days which all you and the minions yawned....while obama increased the dow by 147% And you are cumming in your pants over his performance fir the year is 21% .... Let me know when he doubles the index and I might get excited.....LOL

commie said...

For the idiots who are blinded by trumps BS>>>>

http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/362949-ceos-agree-corporate-tax-cuts-wont-trickle-down

Despite all evidence to the contrary, Republicans continue to tout their tax bills as “middle-class tax cuts.” In reality, the bills making their way through Congress are tax cuts for the rich and big corporations, at the expense of working families.

Any crumbs thrown towards low- and middle-income families disappear at the end of 2025, and left in their place are some tax increases, not cuts. But the tax cuts for big corporations — both cutting the headline rate and giving them tax advantages to offshore profits and jobs — are permanent.

Under the Senate bill, in 2027, households making under $75,000 will see their taxes rise on average according to the Joint Committee on Taxation. And according to the Tax Policy Center, 62 percent of the benefits of the tax plan in 2027 would go to the top 1 percent — households currently making income of $730,000 or more.

The real damage to working families will come in the near future; Republicans have already signaled their plans to leverage the deficits that result from their tax plan to gut Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

The non-thinkers here all firmly believe this is the best think since a fleet enema.....Yeah....menstral will benefit from the alternate tax and estate tax gains.....Yes....his life line of SS and medicare get gutted to save you diddly squats....Brilliant, he also supports the pedophile from alabama and the whore monger POTUS.....Sad how blind they ar

Coldheartedtruth Teller said...

Delray Beach, Fla. — Debbie Wesson Gibson was in her attic hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations last week when she noticed a storage bin she said she had forgotten about. Inside was a scrapbook from her senior year of high school, and taped to a page titled “Those Who Inspire” was a graduation card.

“Happy graduation Debbie,” it read in slanted cursive handwriting. “I wanted to give you this card myself. I know that you’ll be a success in anything you do. Roy.”
The inscription, Gibson said, was written by Roy Moore, the Alabama Republican nominee for U.S. Senate who in recent days has repeatedly denied the accounts of five women who told The Washington Post that he pursued them when they were teenagers and he was an assistant district attorney in his 30s. Since those allegations were published last month, four more women have come forward to allege that Moore made unwanted sexual advances. The accounts in The Post included those of Leigh Corfman, who said she was 14 when Moore touched her sexually, and Gibson, who said that she publicly dated Moore when she was 17 and he was 34, a relationship she said she “wore like a badge of honor” until she began reevaluating it in light of the accounts of other women, and now, Moore’s own denials.

Shortly after the allegations first surfaced, Moore said in a radio interview with Sean Hannity that he did not know Corfman, but that he remembered Gibson as well as Gloria Thacker Deason, who had told The Post that she dated Moore when she was 18. He called each one “a good girl,” and said that he did not remember dating them.

But at two campaign events in recent days, Moore has backtracked.
At a Nov. 27 campaign event in the north Alabama town of Henagar, Moore said, “The allegations are completely false. They are malicious. Specifically, I do not know any of these women.”

At a Nov. 29 rally at a church in the south Alabama town of Theodore, Moore said, “Let me state once again: I do not know any of these women, did not date any of these women and have not engaged in any sexual misconduct with anyone.”

Gibson said that after finding the scrapbook, she was not sure whether to make it public given the threats she received after publication of the original story. Then she heard what Moore said last week, she said, and contacted The Post.

“He called me a liar,” said Gibson, who says she not only openly dated Moore when she was 17 but later joined him in passing out fliers during his campaign for circuit court judge in 1982 and exchanged Christmas cards with him over the years. “Roy Moore made an egregious mistake to attack that one thing — my integrity.”

The Moore campaign did not respond to numerous requests for comment for this story.

Two of the other women named in The Post article have also pushed back in recent days against Moore.

In an open letter to Moore published on the Alabama news site Al.com after Moore’s Nov. 27 speech, Corfman wrote that “I am done being silent.”

“You sent out your spokesman to call me a liar. Day after day. Finally, last night, you did the dirty work yourself . . .” she wrote. “What you did to me when I was 14-years old should be revolting to every person of good morals. But now you are attacking my honesty and integrity. Where does your immorality end?”

In a statement to The Post after Moore’s Nov. 29 speech, Paula Cobia, a lawyer for Deason, recounted Deason’s vivid memories of dating Moore, from specific restaurants she says they frequented, to the velvet-collared dress Deason says she wore when she says Moore took her to a social function at a Ramada Inn. Cobia said,

“No matter what lies Roy Moore may choose to tell now,” Cobia said, “the truth was the first thing out of his mouth when it came to remembering Gloria.”